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Zorn List Digest         Monday, June 14 1999         Volume 02 : Number 676



In this issue:
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       Big in Japan
       Re: It's Not Just Size But what You Do With It
       Re: It's Not Just Size But what You Do With It
       boredoms again
       Re: It's Not Just Size But what You Do With It
       Mr.Bungle "California"
       Re: It's Not Just Size But what You Do With It
       Hips Road Summer Sessions at Tonic
       Re: It's Not Just Size But what You Do With It
       .........
       Introduction
       Re: Introduction
       Re: Introduction
       Re: Introduction
       Re: Introduction
       Gainsbourg
       John Coltrane etc.
       Let's Get Delusional!
       [Fwd: John Coltrane etc.]

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 99 14:54:04 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Big in Japan

> > >  He's big in Japan.
> >
> > Yea, but they'll buy anything.
>
> Flip comment I know, but what's the deal with the Japanese music
> consumer?  A lot of American jazz was issued first in Japan, or
> exclusively in Japan.  I don't think the prices are cheaper there.  Is
> the listening public more adventurous, or more fixated upon
> improvisation, or simply more interested in music?  Just wondering, and
> thought maybe someone could shed some insight on this.

Maybe it's just a case of the grass always being more avant gard on the other
side of the ocean. Here in NYC, I'm often surprised at how easy it is to find
multiple copies of titles by Tatsuya Yoshida, Haino Keiji, EYE/Boredoms, etc.
Very often, I'm aware of a dozen copies or so in a 10 block radius of a
recording that's in a ltd. edition of less than 500.  The 'doms had a big and
enthusiastic when they played this fool shopping mall the Knit rented for its
fest last week. I don't know how big their audiences are in Japan, but Tatsuya,
Umezu, Hoppy Kamiyama and others tell me they do better in the US than in Japan.

No doubt a NYC audience is to be desired if you want a US record contract. But
I've seen KKNull, Hoppy (with The Poool) and Acid Mothers for free in the past
couple months, and they were all paid (by the Whitney through grants or whatever
The Cooler pays for its free shows -- something, not a lot, from what I'm told).



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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:57:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: It's Not Just Size But what You Do With It

I think the reason we're all getting a little hot until the collar (or
maybe the jewel box) is that we're not so much interested in the "size" of
JZ's collection, it's what's in it.

As someone who used to review records in his callow youth, I know how
much crap gets pushed out by the major labels. Yet all of us spend our
days haunting record stores to constantly check if another exceptional
and/or elusive disk has turned up.

Thus rather than having a basement full of Suepertramp, Dave Sanborn or
Peter Allen LPs, we figure Zorn's collection probably includes the-issued-
only-in-Japan Sunny's Time Now by Sunny Murray, a bootleg CDR of Albert
Ayler playing at Trane funeral ,some hard-to-find Brotzmann LPs with Bennik
and Van Hove and the long-rumored and highly-collectible
Derek Bailey-Mississippi John Hurt duets [just made that last one up].

We want to ooh and ah over his good fortune and have him give us a couple
of leads about where to find the good stuff.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]

(who long ago lost count of his LPs, but is on a campaign to file every
one of his CDs)

(N.P. Spiritual Alignment, Blancing Vol. 1 with Raphe Malik)

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:16:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: "m. rizzi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: It's Not Just Size But what You Do With It

Scott Handley, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>  You are not required to answer, and Zorn is not required to know that any
>of us exist to discuss him in first place (apparently he didn't, until
>recently).

    Nah, he's known for at least 2-3 years (I told
    him about it myself)...and it's likely I told
    him even farther back, but you see I'm an old
    fart and my memory...

    :)

>Have you met the Man?  I have, and I had nothing to say, and it was
>hilarious and embarrassing.  And he was exhausted, but he was more gracious
>and less condescending than you're being right now.

    beautiful...one of the nicer finales to a
    flame retort...slam, dunk.

    mike


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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:26:14 -0400
From: "lava" <[e-mail]>
Subject: boredoms again

boredoms show added cbgb's tuesday night


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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:35:14 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: It's Not Just Size But what You Do With It

When I saw the "32,000" number, I thought, "OK, one of US!" I didn't know
Zorn was a record collector on that scale. And those who assume most
musicians are record collectors are off-base. I've known many who have little
interest in acquiring recordings.

I also didn't get the sense that people were criticizing his record habit.
Somewhat amazed, maybe, with a mix of admiration and envy, which is how I
reacted, and my LP/CD collection is approximately half the size of his, so it
is not like I can't understand the drive to hear and to collect that would
get Zorn to that point.

And as to whether or not this thread is "distinctly unwholesome," I had to
chuckle considering that many of Zorn's recordings, as well as recordings by
others on his label, as well as some of the artwork that appears on the
covers of his label's CDs, as well as the films for which he has scored
music, could be described as unwholsome in the extreme.

Dave Royko

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:54:34 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Mr.Bungle "California"

Hello Everyone,
    Just got my hands on a "CD-Refrence" copy and thought I might pass
along the track listings. Does anyone have any info on the musicians on the
disc? My copy just has a plain white cover from Warner Bros. Here's the track
listings:

1. Sweet Charity
2. None Of Them Knew They Were Robots
3. Retrovertigo
4. The Air-Conditioned Nightmare
5. Ars Moriendi
6. Pink Cigarette
7. Golem II : The Bionic Vapour Boy
8. The Holy Filament
9. Vanity Fair
10. Goodbye Sober Day

Says the release date is the 13th of next month. Its just under 45mins. I'm
really enjoying it, but still only developing my first impressions. Hope this
info is of some interest to someone.

Greg.

PS> on the "How does Zorn get money to buy 6 trillion records" thread,
doesn't ha get paid big bucks to score commercials in Japan? That would pay
for a healthty record buying habit, wouldn't you think?

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:27:11 GMT
From: Scott Handley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: It's Not Just Size But what You Do With It

>From: "m. rizzi" <[e-mail]>
>Scott Handley, demi-God and Icon sez:
> >
> >  You are not required to answer, and Zorn is not required to know that
>any
> >of us exist to discuss him in first place (apparently he didn't, until
> >recently)[snip]

>    beautiful...one of the nicer finales to a
>    flame retort...slam, dunk.
>
>    mike

This of course is great for my ego.  With my clean, unoccupied hand,
however, I should mention to the list that Scottish Scott sent me a very
articulate, sensible reply, making it abundantly clear that my
interpretation of his interpretation was really not all that on...no harm
done.  I think I cleared my arteries tho.

Peace,

- ----s, who will pay top dollar for amint copy of that Derek
Bailey/Mississippi JohnHurt record


_______________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:56:46 -0400
From: [e-mail] (John Scott)
Subject: Hips Road Summer Sessions at Tonic

Hips Road Summer Sessions
curated by John Zorn

The Summer Sessions begin this week as part of Zorn's second annual New
Music Festival at Tonic!

Marc Ribot - Guitar Question & Answer (06/17/99 3 to 5:00pm)
Elliott Sharp - Notation Systems (06/18/99 Noon to 2:00pm)
William Parker - Construction of Creative Music (06/18/99 3 to 5:00pm)
Henry Threadgill - Question & Answer (06/19/99 3 to 5:00pm)
Wadada Leo Smith - Creative Music (06/19/99 Noon to 2:00pm)
Anthony Coleman - Composition (06/21/99 Noon to 2:00pm)
Dave Douglas - Ear Training and Improvisation (06/21/99 3 to 5:00pm)
Joey Baron - The Drum Set (06/22/99 Noon to 2:00pm)
Joe Lovano - Group Improvisation (06/22/99 3 to 5:00pm)
Steve Coleman - Beginner Rhythmic Concepts (06/23/99 Noon to 2:00pm)
Steve Coleman - Advanced Rhythmic Concepts (06/23/99 3 to 5:00pm)
Tim Berne - Starting Your Own Label (06/24/99 Noon to 2:00pm)
Medeski, Martin & Wood - Touring and Recording as a Band (06/24/99 3 to
5:00pm)
Shelley Hirsch - Voice Extensions (06/25/99 Noon to 2:00pm)
Meredith Monk - Voice and Performance (06/25/99 3 to 5:00pm)
Mark Dresser - Extended Bass Techniques (06/26/99 Noon to 2:00pm)
Milford Graves - Grand Unification (06/26/99 3 to 5:00pm)
John Zorn - Question & Answer (06/27/99 10:00am to Noon)
David Krakauer - Klezmer and Beyond (06/28/99 3 to 5:00pm)
Cyro Baptista - Brazilian Percussion (06/28/99 Noon to 2:00pm)
Allan Tucker - The Intricacies of CD Mastering (06/29/99 3 to 5:00pm)
Jim Anderson - Microphone Placement and Recording (06/29/99 Noon to 2:00pm)
Vernon Reid - So, you want to be a rock star? (06/30/99 3 to 5:00pm)
Jim O'Rourke - Electronic Music (06/30/99 Noon to 2:00pm)

Check www.tonic107.com or call 212-358-7501 for details and registration
information.

Some upcoming New Music Festival dates at Tonic...

Tue, Jun 22: Dave Douglas' No Sanction at 8:00pm
Wed, Jun 23: Tim Berne's Bloodcount at 10:00pm
Wed, Jun 30: Arto Lindsay at 10:00pm
Fri, Jul 02: Prelapse at 8:00pm
Tue, Jul 06: John Zorn Solo
Fri, Jul 16: Joey Baron at 8:00pm
Fri, Jul 16: Ruins at 10:00pm
Sat, Jul 31: John Zorn Improv Party at 8:00pm


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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:02:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeni Dahmus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: It's Not Just Size But what You Do With It

On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, m. rizzi wrote:
> Scott Handley, demi-God and Icon sez:
> >
> >  You are not required to answer, and Zorn is not required to know that any
> >of us exist to discuss him in first place (apparently he didn't, until
> >recently).
>
>     Nah, he's known for at least 2-3 years (I told
>     him about it myself)...and it's likely I told
>     him even farther back, but you see I'm an old
>     fart and my memory...

I'm the one who mentioned the issue on the list a few months ago.  When I
asked Zorn about the listserv, he claimed he didn't even know what one was.
I guess he forgot or misunderstood.

Jeni


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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:19:40 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: .........

In a message dated 6/14/99 2:28:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I have 15 CDs ordered >>
Comment 1:  wait a minute, i thought you could only order 5......

Comment 2:  Does anyone know anything about various types of art ,
specifically
                surrealist...?

Comment 3:  About all this bickering about JZ's record collection, i
personally don't                  care about the size of it,
that doesn't matter, but i would'nt mind
     knowing it's content.
                 However, it sure isn't worth a damn arguing
about .....

Ben                        .......krucifly

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 03:55:04 -0700
From: Seth Gowans <[e-mail]>
Subject: Introduction

Hi all.

I'm a new subscriber to the list.  I was pointed this way from the Miles
Davis Listserv.  I live in Phoenix, AZ which means that I'll probably
NEVER have the opportunity to see Zorn live without major effort.  Oh
well.

I started listening to Zorn in about 1989 when I head a Spillane excerpt
on a 20th century music sampler along with works by Volans, Adams, the
Bulgarian Womens' Choir, World Sax Quartet, Reich and Scott Johnson.
The sampler was called "Late in the 20th Century" and really turned me
on to many of these performers and composers.  On a sidenote does anyone
know of any other recordings by Scott Johnson.  I have the "John
Somebody" CD and several Kronos Quartet CD's with his pieces and would
love to know if there are others available.

On JZ's CD collection topic, I think that it might stem more from *awe*
rather than jealousy.  I've been an avid CD collector since my early
teens in the mid-eighties and am up around 1200 right now.  I always
love to hear of the diversity of other people's collections as well as
hearing of the rarities and oddities that invariably show up in large
collections.

I look forward to finding out more about Zorn's MO, and gaining a better
understanding of where his music is coming from.

Happy Travels,

Seth G.
Phoenix, AZ


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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:32:51 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Introduction

On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 03:55:04 -0700  Seth Gowans wrote:
>
> I started listening to Zorn in about 1989 when I head a Spillane excerpt
> on a 20th century music sampler along with works by Volans, Adams, the
> Bulgarian Womens' Choir, World Sax Quartet, Reich and Scott Johnson.
> The sampler was called "Late in the 20th Century" and really turned me
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's was a great sampler.

> on to many of these performers and composers.  On a sidenote does anyone
> know of any other recordings by Scott Johnson.  I have the "John
> Somebody" CD and several Kronos Quartet CD's with his pieces and would
> love to know if there are others available.

If I remember well, he has (at least) another record called PATTY HEARST.

    Patrice.

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:55:36 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Introduction

Patrice L. Roussel wrote:

> If I remember well, he has (at least) another record called PATTY HEARST.

That's the soundtrack to Paul Schraeder's (excellent) movie of the same
title (Nonesuch 9-79186-2); it's pretty good, using some of the
techniques found in 'John Somebody', filled out with several musicians
including Michael Riesman, Bill Ruyle and Sue Evans.

Haven't heard any recent recorded work (wasn't there something on
Avant?), but have caught a couple of live performances in the past three
or four years and wasn't too thrilled. A bit too much contrived
"complex" rhythms overlaid with fusiony electric guitar for my taste.

As long as we're on the topic, Schraeder (one of the handful of
directors who I'll drop everything to go and see a new work of) has a
habit of using relatively interesting composers for his soundtracks and
inerweaving their music with the movie in a compelling way. Check out
Glass' work in Schraeder's incredible 'Mishima'.

Brian Olewnick

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:01:58 -0400
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Introduction

Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 03:55:04 -0700  Seth Gowans wrote:
> >
> > on to many of these performers and composers.  On a sidenote does anyone
> > know of any other recordings by Scott Johnson.  I have the "John
> > Somebody" CD and several Kronos Quartet CD's with his pieces and would
> > love to know if there are others available.
>
> If I remember well, he has (at least) another record called PATTY HEARST.

Oh yes. Soundtrack to the Paul Schrader film. Worth seeing, the S/T does great
justice to the opening.

Good stuff,
RL
- --
Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, William Parker, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp,
David S. Ware, and Reggie Workman Discographies--Samuel Beckett
Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc.,
at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k

***Very Various Music For Sale:
***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:02:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Introduction

In a message dated 6/14/99 8:34:14 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< On a sidenote does anyone know of any other recordings by Scott Johnson.
I have the "John Somebody" CD and several Kronos Quartet CD's with his pieces
and would
love to know if there are others available. >>

I have a CD by him called Rock/Paper/Scissors on Point, on which Erik
Friedlander is one of the four musicians, but I don't remember much about it.

so anyone see any of the food court South Street Seaport What Is Jazz? shows?
what a joke that venue is. I was intrigued to hear that Sonic Youth played a
James Tenney cover last night, though.

Jon

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:10:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Audino <[e-mail]>
Subject: Gainsbourg

Hello,

Can anyone recommend the 3-CD set _De Gainsbourg A Gainsbarre _ that
Polygram France relased not too long ago?

Thanks,

Paul
[e-mail]

  GROOVE
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One Nation



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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:11:59 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: John Coltrane etc.

please someone direct me to the best works of:
John Coltrane
Ornette Coleman

i have heard random works of both which i liked, but i need a base point.
also:
Ives
Partch
Varese
Stravinsky
Lee Konitz
Carl Stalling
Ohta Hiromi
Ennio Morricone

As of right now i'm just picking up names as i hear them....
Being of the age 16 and living in the pit of TN i do, info about many of
these artists is hard to find.
Thanks be to anyone who can offer help.

Ben            ........................Krucifly

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:02:14 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Let's Get Delusional!

Great news for Partchaholics: The Partch page, Corporeal Meadows,
reports that 'Delusion of the Fury' will finally see the light of
digital day as "Enclosure 6", due to be released late this summer!!!

Brian Olewnick

(Very much hoping they include the instrument demonstration record in
the package)

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:11:39 -0400
From: "Zachary J. Griffin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Fwd: John Coltrane etc.]

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For starters on Morricone, try "A Fistful of Film Music" on Rhino Records.
Or the soudtracks to the movies "A Fistful of Dollars" or "The Good, The Bad,
and The Ugly".  Carl Stalling you most likely have heard many times. He did
the all the music for the Warner Brothers (Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck) cartoons
up to the 1950's. As far as what's on CD, I only know about "The Carl
Stalling Project" on Warner Brothers Records.

For John Coltrane, any of the John Coltrane Quartet CD's on Impulse records
are wonderful.  But if you want to start at the beginning of his bandleader
career, check out "Giant Steps".  I don't remember if that was his first
album as bandleader, but I know it is one of his first.

The Ornette Coleman starter kit would have to include "The Shape of Jazz to
Come", "Somethin' Else", "Free Jazz" (although I would wait until you are
ready to listen to a 30+ minute piece of music, as great as it is).

The others I have to admit that my knowledge is very small.  I hope others
can shed some light for you.  Because I want to know where to go myself.
Especially with Varese and Stravinsky.

Good luck on your hunt,
Zach Griffin


[e-mail] wrote:

> please someone direct me to the best works of:
> John Coltrane
> Ornette Coleman
>
> i have heard random works of both which i liked, but i need a base point.
> also:
> Ives
> Partch
> Varese
> Stravinsky
> Lee Konitz
> Carl Stalling
> Ohta Hiromi
> Ennio Morricone
>
> As of right now i'm just picking up names as i hear them....
> Being of the age 16 and living in the pit of TN i do, info about many of
> these artists is hard to find.
> Thanks be to anyone who can offer help.
>
> Ben            ........................Krucifly
>
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