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Zorn List Digest       Wednesday, April 21 1999       Volume 02 : Number 649



In this issue:
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       Re: R: plunderphonics
       Re: Ornette's Broken Shadows
       Vinyl reissues
       Vinyl reissues
       Re: cobra
       tom waits tour dates
       Re: tom waits tour dates
       O'Rourke's "Norton Recovery"
       Re: koto
       Re: Ornette's Broken Shadows (long)
       mingus on candid
       Re: Al-Jabr
       Re: poetry request (NOT off topic)
       Re: mingus on candid
       AUM + No More Weekend/THIS!
       Off Topic: Mick Harris

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:15:39 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jonathan Mooneyham)
Subject: Re: R: plunderphonics

>did anybody try? There's something seriously wrong with track 14.... it
>stops after downloading tens of mega. I've got most of the rest - impossible
>to do on a modem connection I think as it takes days, literally. I'm burning
>the cd but I'm stuck - nobody answers at the site. I'd hate to do it without
>one of the files....

Yep, I downloaded the whole enchilada about a year and a half ago - took
about four days on my crummy 28.8 modem...  Burned a few extra copies to
disc and handed 'em out to friends.

The folks at Mystery Lab were even kind enough to send me a slightly higher
resolution tiff of the cover (actually a scan of a color copy of the orig.)
to slap on the packaging.

Francesco, if you keep having trouble w/ the McCartney track, contact me
off-list and I'll set up a temporary ftp site so you can grab it...

Jon M.



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Date: Thu, 11  P E G A S U S   M a i l  2000 06:00:26 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ornette's Broken Shadows

Can the lucky owner or someone give details of this album
(personnel, tracks, date). I thought he only did the two for Columbia.

Sean Wilkie

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:39:35 GMT
From: "johnnnnn schuller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Vinyl reissues

The Ornette and Hancock vinyl pressings I have read about might not be
repressings. I have bought a few of the Miles Davis Columbia sealed
lp's recently. I have been told by the record store guy that they are
not repressings but early eighties pressings. He said what happened
was Columbia is clearing out their warehouses of their Jazz lp's that
they put away with the compact disc taking over. They figure since
there is a market for them they might as well unload them. That is why
I can find them for $6.99 to $9.99 as opposed to the $12.99 to $15.99
you find some repressings at.

John

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:43:54 GMT
From: "johnnnnn schuller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Vinyl reissues

The Ornette and Hancock vinyl pressings I have read about might not be
repressings. I have bought a few of the Miles Davis Columbia sealed
lp's recently. I have been told by the record store guy that they are
not repressings but early eighties pressings. He said what happened
was Columbia is clearing out their warehouses of their Jazz lp's that
they put away with the compact disc taking over. They figure since
there is a market for them they might as well unload them. That is why
I can find them for $6.99 to $9.99 as opposed to the $12.99 to $15.99
you find some repressings at.

John

_______________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:24:56 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: cobra

In a message dated 4/20/99 10:23:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< On a related note, what's the craze about Cobra?  Is it "better" in any way
 than other game pieces?  Or is it just more popular on this list because of
 some unknown reason? >>


good question. i suspect that it's just "the one that got away." all it takes
is one xerox copy and voila it could end up anywhere. i'm fairly certain that
the other such pieces are only in zorn's hands, and all their performances
have involved him.
- -joseph


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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:38:17 -0800
From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: tom waits tour dates

In anticipation of a tour and mobbed theatres, does anyone have any
advanced NYC [ or any other ] tour dates and locations.

The new album Mule Variations is due out on the 27th of this month. Just
one more week to WAIT.

thanks for your help.

JT

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:53:57 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: tom waits tour dates

Tom Waits for No One

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:24:56 -0400
From: David Keffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: O'Rourke's "Norton Recovery"

Hey Folks on the Zorn List,

I happened to download a recent composition by Jim O'Rourke
entitled "Norton Recovery"
radio broadcast 1998
broadcast on the Kunstradio program on Austrian national radio;
available via RealAudio (and also orderable on cassette) at
http://thing.at/orfkunstradio/1998B/1_10_98.html

It's 40 minutes long (6 MB) and it's a very neat thing.
Got some tracks from his latest album "Eureka" put into a
collage with orchestral works, tape recorded conversations
of people arguing, some electronic manipulation a la
"Table, Chair, Hatstand", and some dialogue in German.  It's neat
and it's free.

I recommend just downloading the file rather than trying
to listen to 40 minutes of streaming audio.

David K.




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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:23:26 -0400
From: eric ong <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: koto

Hello folks,

>guide...there's a new Leo cd with two koto players (Lardner? and
>someone else) and shakuchai(?) player also - sorry, i don't have the
>details before me; check the Leo site for info.

The koto players are Shoko Hikage and Brett Larner, and Philip Gelb as the
shakuhachi player. It was released last week. You can actually order a copy
directly from Phil ([e-mail]) if you want. If not, you may just
want to visit his website for more info on this release and others he's
appeared on (http://www.hooked.net/~ryokan/).

When Prevost played CA last week, he invited Phil but apparently he was
already booked. I'd love to hear an eventual collaboration between the two.

From what I understand, there's a bunch of shakuhachi players here in
NYC...? Hmm, we should all meet and go bowling sometime.

- -eric.




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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:13:19 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ornette's Broken Shadows (long)

DR S WILKIE wrote:

> Can the lucky owner or someone give details of this album
> (personnel, tracks, date). I thought he only did the two for Columbia.

"Broken Shadows" was a collection of Columbia-era outtakes first issued in
1982.  Five cuts are from the initial "Science Fiction" session of
September 9, 1971; the others from a peculiar unissued 1972 session with
Cedar Walton, Jim Hall, blues singer Webster Armstrong and a woodwind
quintet added to Coleman's quartet.  Japanese Sony issued it on CD in 1993
or 1995, it's not precisely clear which.

The material is mixed but some of it is pretty special.  Of the "Science
Fiction" outtakes, the almost-double quartet "Happy House" is classic
Coleman with a memorable head.  "Elizabeth" is a lesser dirge (although
the drummers play with the time a lot) in the Coleman canon, but the
massed sonority of all the horns makes it interesting.  "School Days" is a
nice reading of either one of Ornette's most memorable themes or one of
his most cloying - it's the tune from "The Good Life" on "Skies of
America" and "Theme from a Symphony" on "Dancing in Your Head."  "Country
Town Blues" is a lesser tune that nevertheless might be contemporaneous
with earlier tunes like "Ramblin'."  "Broken Shadows" is one of Coleman's
best dirge tunes, a studio version that nevertheless does not surpass the
intense earlier live version from the Impulse album "Crisis!"

Of the latter session, "Rubber Gloves" is a catchy miniature that
anticipates the short tunes on the much later "In All Languages," with
some especially pithy give and take between the horns and a crappy
recorded bass sound.  "Good Girl Blues" is a strangely twisted jump blues
with some pretty routine lyrics (presumably by Ornette).  It's especially
interesting to hear Hall and Walton bravely comping their way through the
tumult created by the clash of Coleman's group and the woodwind quintet,
and Dewey plays some pretty, romping Texas tenor.  "Is It Forever" is a
similarly standard jazz ballad-form with some typical "I'm so all alone"
lyrical cliches.  Again, Dewey plays the straight man and his tenor
playing is quite lovely.  And it's interesting to ponder whether Coleman
considered these two tracks potential crossover material - certainly
they're his most literal expressions of aspects of the Texas jazz
tradition from which he sprang.

Less than essential, perhaps, but more than for completists only.  If I
were issuing star ratings I'd give it a solid three within the context of
the Coleman ouevre.  The tune "Happy House" is certainly one of Coleman's
best achievements, and the title tune will do nicely for anyone who
doesn't have "Crisis!" (which badly needs reissuing, but Impulse can't do
it because Ornette now owns the tapes).

Ornette Coleman: Broken Shadows (Sony Japan SRCS 7098)
Recorded 1971-72
Released 1982
Reissued 1993 (1995?)
All compositions by Ornette Coleman

1. Happy House (9:48)
Sept. 9, 1971
Coleman, Dewey Redman, Don Cherry, Bobby Bradford, Charlie Haden, Ed
Blackwell, Billy Higgins

2. Elizabeth (10:26)
Sept. 9, 1971
same personnel as 1

3. School Work (5:37)
Sept. 9, 1971
Coleman, Redman, Cherry, Haden, Blackwell

4. Country Town Blues (6:26)
Sept. 9, 1971
Coleman, Cherry, Haden, Higgins

5. Broken Shadows (6:42)
Sept. 9, 1971
same personnel as 1

6. Rubber Gloves (3:24)
Sept. 1972
Coleman, Redman, Haden, Blackwell

7. Good Girl Blues (3:05)
Sept. 1972
Coleman, Redman, Haden, Blackwell, Cedar Walton (piano), Jim Hall
(guitar), Webster Armstrong (vocals), unidentified oboe, bassoon, French
horn, flute, clarinet

8. Is It Forever (4:50)
Sept. 1972
same personnel as 7

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Derek Bailey, "A Bit of the Dumps," _Fairly Early with Postscripts_


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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:53:14 -0700
From: "david rothbaum" <[e-mail]>
Subject: mingus on candid

i was wondering if anyone knew where one could get some of the mingus
recordings on candid.  specifically the recordings with eric dolphy.  i know
there was a box set at one point but as far as i can tell all of this
material is out of print.  also in the dolphy documentary last date there is
some footage of mingus and dolphy from the jazz workshop (in the jazz
workshop?) and i was wondering if this was available on video?

i apologize for the lack of zorn content save that he mentions these
recordings on the radio liner notes...

thanks,

david


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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:13:18 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Al-Jabr

In a message dated 4/20/99 12:17:19 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< I'm otherwise completely unfamiliar with Disinformation. Are the original
recordings any good? >>

I've actually never heard any of the original records, just an older, more
conventional remix double CD, Antiphony (Ash International). not in the same
league as Al-Jabr.

Disinformation is playing the London Musician's Collective festival this
year, which I would probably go to if it wasn't the week after Victoriaville.
lots of good stuff though, Pierre Henry, John Tilbury, Lol Coxhill, Philip
Corner, among others. more info at http://www.l-m-c.org.uk. if anyone goes, I
expect a full report.

Jon

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:28:58 -0700
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: poetry request (NOT off topic)

Since I've got some Zorn content here, I'm sending this to the list as well
as to Paul.

First, I'd recommend looking at a book by Bruce Andrews (who has performed
with Zorn over the years & makes his own tape collage pieces infrequently)
called "I Don't Have Any Paper So Shut Up (or Social Romanticism)," It's
published by Sun & Moon who are a fairly big small press so it's even
available at chain stores and often purchased for libraries.  The work is a
series of many short pieces that bring together statements from a wide
range of political views with lots of wordplay, obscenity & weirdness.
Andrews' position in re to any standard political line may be more complex
to analyze than some of Baraka's pieces.

There are several other poets that Zorn has worked with on various
projects, all of whiom have a political dimension to their work, including
Lyn Hejinian, Myung Mi Kim, and Abigail Child.

I'd also like to note that Hip's Road is supporting the publication of a
series of fifty books by poets under the press Atelos. The series is edited
by Lyn Hejinian & Travis Ortiz. Four books are out now: Jean Day: The
Literal World; Barrett Watten: Bad History;Rae Armantrout: True: and Pamela
Lu: Pamela A Novel. The forthcoming list includes a lot of interesting
writers including thne following Lytle Shaw, Leslie Scalapino, Carla
Harryman, Clark Coolidge, Rodrigo Toscano, Bob Perelman, Kit Robinson &
lots more.

Here's the blurb from the back of the book:

Atelos was founded in 1995 as a project of Hip's Road, devoted to
publishing, under the sign of poetry, writing which challenges the
conventional definitions of poetry, since such definitions have tended to
isolate poetry from  intellectual life, arrest its development, and curtail
its impact.

All the works published as part of the Atelos project are commissioned
specifically for it, and each is involved in some way with crossing
traditional genre boundaries, including for example, those that would
separate theory from practice, poetry from prose, essay from drama, the
visual image from the verbal, the literary from the non-literary and so
forth.

The books are distributed by Small Press Distrbution, 1341 Seventh Street.
Berkeley, CA  94710. They have a toll-free (in the US) number 800
869-7553, & e-mail is <[e-mail]>.  Their Web site is
<http://www.spdbooks.org/>.  They also carry a bunch of other things that
may be of zorn-related interest (like that Serge Gainsbourg novel. etc.),
as well as plenty of other stuff. & unlike most distributors of esoteric
music, they still publish print catalogs a couple of times a year chock
full of hard to find books.

Bests,

Herb

>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:19:41 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Paul Audino <[e-mail]>
>Subject: OFF TOPIC : Need Reccomendation For Poetry Class
>
>Hello y'all,
>
>I'm looking for recomendations for a paper that I have to write for a
>poetry class.  The assignment is to read a book of poetry by a "political
>poet" and write a short paper.  Since I picked up so many good books the
>last time the lit thread passed by here, I thought that I would ask for
>some ideas here.  Oh, and the books cannot be by Amiri Baraka or the Last
>Poets since I've a) writen about the first already this semester and b)
>have already read the only book by the latter.
>
>E-mail is probably most appropriate, but hey...
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul
>[e-mail]
>
>  GROOVE
>- ----------
>One Nation
>
>


Herb Levy
[e-mail]



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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:31:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: mingus on candid

Unfortunately your best bet is a used record store. The discs were first
out on Candid, then reissued on Barnaby and probably put out one other
time. The masterpiece of the group is "Charles Mingus Presents Charles
Mingus" with Dolphy, Ted Cusron (tmpt); Mingus and Dannie Richmond (d)
playing tunes such as "Fables of Faubus" and "All The Things You Could Be
By Know If Sigmund Freud's Wife Was Your Mother."

If you can find the out-of-print Mosaic complete Candid recordings, it's
even better. Not only does it include all the released material, but
unreleased sessions, like Dolphy playing with Swing era trumpeter Roy
Eldridge.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]



On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, david rothbaum wrote:

> i was wondering if anyone knew where one could get some of the mingus
> recordings on candid.  specifically the recordings with eric dolphy.  i know
> there was a box set at one point but as far as i can tell all of this
> material is out of print.  also in the dolphy documentary last date there is
> some footage of mingus and dolphy from the jazz workshop (in the jazz
> workshop?) and i was wondering if this was available on video?
> >
> thanks,
>
> david
>
>
> -
>
>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 99 11:59:44 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: AUM + No More Weekend/THIS!

Hello Folks,
Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum has asked two good men -- Steve Joerg of Aum
Fidelity and Alan Schneider of No More Records -- to book a weekend of music.
These guys are both doing one-man labors of love putting out cds by the likes of
William Parker (solo and In Order to Survive), Roy Campbell (Pyramid Trio and
Other Dimensions in Music) and an excellent 2 cd compilation from the 1997
Vision Fest. They put together a schedule I'm very excited about. If you're
within a few hundred miles, please come.
kg


FRIDAY APRIL 23

JOE MORRIS + WILLIAM PARKER: this massive duo meets for the third time live;
which, on previous occassions, has proven to be stunningly sublime.

MAT MANERI DUO with RANDY PETERSON: Mat's prodigious violin with perfect
push and drive from long-tome cohort, drummer Randy Peterson.  Prefaces
a forthcoming (sometime '99) CD on No More.


SATURDAY APRIL 24

ROB BROWN QUARTET:  Rob Brown/alto, Roy Campbell/trumpet, Chris Lightcap/bass,
Jackson Krall/drums.....we all need to here More from Mr. Brown; this very
special Quartet is where he has been placing much of his energy lately; working
tight with this great great group.   Also prefaces a forthcoming CD on No More.

WHIT DICKEY TRIO:  Whit Dickey/drums, Rob Brown/alto, Chris Lightcap/bass...
The group that made the fantastic AUM CD 'Transonic', which, if you haven't
picked it up yet, really ought only to be a reflection on your utter lack of
funds.   A rare appearance live!


at THE BRECHT FORUM
122 West 27th St (between 6 + 7 Ave), 10th Floor, NYC
Each Night:  8pm / $10




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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:39:17 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Off Topic: Mick Harris

Can someone please give me more info on the side projects of Mr. Harris.  I
know of Scorn, Painkiller, Defecation, Napalm Death, Lull, Overload Lady,
Praxis, Murder Ballads, solo CDs with laswell/PCM ect..., and Quoit.  What am
I missing?  A while ago someone posted a project of his that started with "C"
but for the life of me I can't remember the name.

Thanx!

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