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Zorn List Digest        Tuesday, April 20 1999        Volume 02 : Number 648



In this issue:
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       Re: Ornette's 'Broken Shadows' / Carcass question
       Re: Ornette's 'Broken Shadows' / Carcass question
       Re: Carcass question
       LP Auction
       Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated.
       RE: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated.
       RE: masada live cd / other tzadik release
       RE: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated.
       Re: melford
       JAZZIZ
       Columbia on vinyl
       COBRA
       COBRA
       Re: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated.
       Re: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated.
       Re: melford
       Re: Al-Jabr
       schiaffini
       koto
       R: plunderphonics

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:15:47 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ornette's 'Broken Shadows' / Carcass question

William York wrote:

> I found this on LP, sealed, today.  I was pretty surprised since it was
> only $7.99, and the CD versions of the Ornette Columbia albums are only
> out on Japanese versions, for $20 or so.  Does this mean Science Fiction
> is on vinyl too?

Yes, it is, as is "Skies of America."  CBS in France seems to be responsible
for the vinyl repressings.  Here the LPs are generally marked at about $11.99
apiece.  Out of laziness more than anything I bought the Japanese CDs of
"Science Fiction" and "Skies of America" last year, even though I had the
original vinyl of both, and I've owned the Japanese "Broken Shadows" for quite
a number of years now.

> Second Question: Is the Carcass "Symphonies of Sickness" CD that has the 2
> albums on one disc still available in that form?

I don't think so.  Over the last year the only versions of "Symphonies of
Sickness " and "Reek of Putrefaction" I've seen were available on separate
CDs, since the deal between Earache and the U.S. firm Relativity ended.  (It
was Relativity that combined the albums in the first place, I think.  Oddly,
the Relativity version preserved the way-nasty original cover with the grue
and body parts, while the more recent Earache reissues have "cleaned up" cover
art.)

Best,
Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:55:15 -0500
From: clockwise <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ornette's 'Broken Shadows' / Carcass question

>> Second Question: Is the Carcass "Symphonies of Sickness" CD that has the 2
>> albums on one disc still available in that form?
>
>I don't think so.  Over the last year the only versions of "Symphonies of
>Sickness " and "Reek of Putrefaction" I've seen were available on separate
>CDs, since the deal between Earache and the U.S. firm Relativity ended.  (It
>was Relativity that combined the albums in the first place, I think.  Oddly,
>the Relativity version preserved the way-nasty original cover with the grue
>and body parts, while the more recent Earache reissues have "cleaned up"
cover
>art.)

if they are in fact available as seperate cds, its the way to go as the
combination cd is missing several tracks

peace,
clockwise


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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:38:03 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Carcass question

> Second Question: Is the Carcass "Symphonies of Sickness" CD that has the 2
>  albums on one disc still available in that form?  (I think the other album
>  on there is "Reek of Putredaction").  Or did they split it up into two
>  discs?
It's no longer available as a two-fer.  That was done when Earache titles
were licensed to Combat/Relativity in the US in the early 90's.  Once Earache
set up a US office they re-released the titles separately in 1994.  They did
add 6 additional tracks to "Reek", although they only total about 8 minutes.
The two-fer had a nauseating collage of medical/autopsy photos as the cover
art that was not duplicated on either re-release, just a guess but it may be
part of "Symphonies" inner artwork??  Also, "Reek of Putrefecation" is an
extremely poorly recorded/raw sounding release, but that half its charm.
Jeff

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:53:07 +0800
From: Sibree/Wilkes <[e-mail]>
Subject: LP Auction

Please note that the latest auction (with Frith, Coxhill, Slapp Happy etc
items)
closing date has been extended to 28 April.

Regards,
Billy



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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:01:30 +1000
From: Peter Hollo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated.

Well, the subject says it all. I'm just about to go on a 3 month tour
(some of the time with my band FourPlay, electric string quartet, some
on my own) involving Europe and then NY.
I'll be first stopping in London, then Amsterdam and Holland, Brussels
and Belgium, Luxembourg, Strasbourg and Paris. Then around UK.
After that I'm going to New York for almost three weeks, during which
time I'll go to Boston at some time.

I'd love it if any list-members could suggest good records stores,
clubs, and so on to check out in these places. [I know obviously of the
Knitting Factory, but am interested in other places in New York too.]
As well as Zorn-like music, I'm interested in catching as much klezmer
and gypsy type music as I can, as well as experimental electronic stuff
and so on.

Thanks in advance, and sorry for a basically uninformative post,
Peter.
- --
Peter Hollo  [e-mail]  http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html
              FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet
                       http://www.fourplay.com.au
                     Raven: experimental electronic
                 http://www.fourplay.com.au/sound.html
"Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and
your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag.

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:18:12 -0400
From: "Vanheumen, Robert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated.

>records stores
other music, 4th street between broadway & lafayette
downtown music gallery, 5th street between 2d & 3rd avenue

>clubs
be certain to check out tonic, norfolk street between rivington & delancy
street (website: www.tonic107.com)

robert


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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:09:18 -0400
From: "Vanheumen, Robert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: masada live cd / other tzadik release

patRice
>thanks for the info, robert. "unfortunately" i live in europe, so i wont be
able to make it.
sorry. i thought you were patrice roussel, who i thought is from NYC, or am
i mistaken again...

>but i see if i can find a cd by her. maybe you can
>recommend sthg.?
i donnot know of any recordings, but i'll try to find out at this gig.
i read your next email, so i guess you own shizuku by michiyo yagi already.
you should check out her website at
http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/myagi/myagi.html, not too extensive, but it
has a discography and a concert schedule (unfortunatly most of them in
japan). i'm trying to get a copy of the cd happy mail, which i think is very
interesting (with Sachiko M on sampler, maybe you read the article in the
wire this month)

robert

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:36:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: alissa bader <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated.

don't forget alt.coffee, over at 9th/10th and avenue A.

If you're into country music, east village style (which I suppose is a
style all its own), there's something called The Alphabet City Opry, which
is somewhere on 2nd Street?  Not sure where, anyone know?  I've never
been, but I'd heard it's an interesting experience.

on other stuff I've heard of but never seen:  does the 8th street
synagogue still hold a klezmer jam on Monday nights?  They used to.  I've
always wanted to check out that place; I've heard it's sort of a squat
shul (which is, well, an interesting concept).

- --alissa

mol
[e-mail]
"from birth to freezer in 90 days"

On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Vanheumen, Robert wrote:

> >records stores
> other music, 4th street between broadway & lafayette
> downtown music gallery, 5th street between 2d & 3rd avenue
>
> >clubs
> be certain to check out tonic, norfolk street between rivington & delancy
> street (website: www.tonic107.com)
>
> robert
>
>
> -
>
>


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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:31:29 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: melford

On Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:39:35 -0400  Steve Smith wrote:
>
> Steve Smith

Got the last issue of JAZZIZ and it is definitely worth to get. Very interes-
ting article by Steve Smith on John Shiurba's CD-ROM only label (which kind
of scared me from a discographical point of view :-). A good article on
Evan Parker and electronics (which reminds people with short memories (like
me) that he and Paul Lytton were already doing this kind of experimentation
more than 25 years ago!). Also a good list of European labels.

The interesting thing was also the reader polls. Seeing John Zorn listed in
third position of a 3-entry long best alto sax list was fairly refreshing (as
seeing Steve Lacy back in 1st position for soprano). Was it the one last
year that was still putting Kenny G as best ss?

This seems to imply that the majority of readers is finally in sync with the
staff.

Now the big question: have the old readers switched to more adventurous
listening, or is the magazine getting a new wave of readers?

    Patrice.


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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:57:46 +0200
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: JAZZIZ

>Got the last issue of JAZZIZ and it is definitely worth to get. Very
interes-
>ting article by Steve Smith on John Shiurba's CD-ROM only label (which kind
>of scared me from a discographical point of view :-).

I know the feeling patrice... to scare you just a little more, do you think
to include the web distribute mp3 files of evan solos in the discography?

>Now the big question: have the old readers switched to more adventurous
>listening, or is the magazine getting a new wave of readers?
>
my feeling is that the kennyg listeners are just not interested in jazz
literature. An attempt to write "critic" or even to chronicle smooth jazz is
doomed as those who read dont listen to that (fan press is yet another story
and a different audience). Strangely enough, controversial - non
commercial - music is better fo rmagazine circulation.


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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <[e-mail]>
Subject: Columbia on vinyl

> Yes, it is, as is "Skies of America."  CBS in France seems to be responsible
> for the vinyl repressings.  Here the LPs are generally marked at about $11.99
> apiece.  Out of laziness more than anything I bought the Japanese CDs of
> "Science Fiction" and "Skies of America" last year, even though I had the
> original vinyl of both, and I've owned the Japanese "Broken Shadows" for quite
> a number of years now.

Do you know of any other stuff being on record, like "Free Fall" maybe?
I just got "Sextant" by Herbie Hancock for $5.99, and although I'm not
really into the idea of 'getting stuff on vinyl' just for the sake of it,
there is a big difference between $5.99 to $7.99 (for LPs) and $15-20 (for
the CDs).

Anyway, thanks for filling me in.

WY


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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:53:48 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: COBRA

<< hi,
 since you are researching cobra, i figured i'd ask you this. where do i get
the instructions? i've asked the zorn list several times, never getting a
reply. i can't contact zorn. I'd just like to play it with a group once or
twice. oh well.

 from,
 matt >>

that i do not know.
where are you located?
i know it's not supposed to be easy to get and do. from talking to the
cincinnati cobra guy, the score as-written is not very user friendly. said
that to actually do it is a lot of work, interpreting, decision making,
etc.---you have to be really serious and crazy about it (which perhaps,
hopefully, prevents bad performances of cobra happening). it wasn't written
for the outside world, but for zorn's group. in some ways it would be nice if
he cleaned it up and published it for us all, but on the other hand in some
ways the worst thing for zorn and the piece would be it getting into the
wrong hands and misguided performances of cobra happening all over the place.
- -joseph

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:19:00 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: COBRA

Well if anyone gets their hands on the 'score' please let me know.  I'd be
willing to check it out and perhaps start something going in St. Louis.

On a related note, what's the craze about Cobra?  Is it "better" in any way
than other game pieces?  Or is it just more popular on this list because of
some unknown reason?

Dan Hewins



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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:08:49 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated.

alissa bader wrote:

> don't forget alt.coffee, over at 9th/10th and avenue A.

Nah, forget it after all.  They've stopped booking music altogether.  (The more
music-friendly folks at alt.coffee are the same folks who brought you Tonic.)

And check out http://www.nytoday.com for sure.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:20:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: alissa bader <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated.

aw man.

leave a city for six months and look what happens!

- --alissa

mol
[e-mail]
"from birth to freezer in 90 days"

On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Steve Smith wrote:

> alissa bader wrote:
>
> > don't forget alt.coffee, over at 9th/10th and avenue A.
>
> Nah, forget it after all.  They've stopped booking music altogether.  (The more
> music-friendly folks at alt.coffee are the same folks who brought you Tonic.)
>
> And check out http://www.nytoday.com for sure.
>
> Steve Smith
> [e-mail]
>
>


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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:53:45 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: melford

"Patrice L. Roussel" wrote:

> Got the last issue of JAZZIZ and it is definitely worth to get. Very interes-
> ting article by Steve Smith on John Shiurba's CD-ROM only label

Thanks for the kind words.  I do, however, want to clarify something for the
assembled Z-list.

"CD-R," as used in my article, does not stand for CD-ROM, but CD-Recordable.
It's a subtle but crucial difference, because not everyone has the capability to
play CD-ROMs, but the recordable CDs made by Shiurba and the others in my story
can be played on virtually any CD player - I've heard that there are perhaps a
few exceptions - and that's exactly why I proposed that the folks making these
CD-R releases are actually finding another way to compete with the normal
recording industry.

Most of the CD-R recordings I've bought from John and the others in the piece
sound as good to me as anything I've bought on a "real" label lately (at the very
least in sound quality, which was the criterion I was employing), and this levels
the playing field in a unique new way, to my mind.

That's all.  Oh, wait... if you really don't feel like buying a copy of Jazziz,
here are the URLs for the three artists I mentioned - check it out for yourself.
John Shiurba: http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba/sedition.html
Gino Robair:  http://www.rastascan.com/news.html
David Gross:  http://members.aol.com/Tautology3/

Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet,com


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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:04:03 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Al-Jabr

> 4) last and most impressive in my book, Parker has a 13 minute piece on the
> recent Ash International release, Al-Jabr.

I picked up the Al-Jabr disc yesterday and would definitely second Jon's
recommendation. The Evan Parker track is really great, but it's no gold nugget in
a pile of shit - the other tracks are pretty impressive too (I particularly like
the Simon Fisher Turner, Lawrence Casserly, and T:un[k] Systems). As Jon said,
this is a very cohesive and excellent record.

I'm otherwise completely unfamiliar with Disinformation. Are the original
recordings any good?

listening to: Giancarlo Schiaffini "Specchiati Sembianti" from 'Musicisti
Contemtemporanei' (Edipan). Finally tracked this one down on Sunday. Good
stuff...

                    -Tom Pratt


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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:32:34 +0200
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: schiaffini

added info: there's a schiaffini discography at the Italian Jazz Musician=
s
site, www.ijm.it

- -----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
A: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Data: marted=EC 20 aprile 1999 6.04
Oggetto: Re: Al-Jabr


>> 4) last and most impressive in my book, Parker has a 13 minute piece o=
n
the
>> recent Ash International release, Al-Jabr.
>
>I picked up the Al-Jabr disc yesterday and would definitely second Jon's
>recommendation. The Evan Parker track is really great, but it's no gold
nugget in
>a pile of shit - the other tracks are pretty impressive too (I particula=
rly
like
>the Simon Fisher Turner, Lawrence Casserly, and T:un[k] Systems). As Jon
said,
>this is a very cohesive and excellent record.
>
>I'm otherwise completely unfamiliar with Disinformation. Are the origina=
l
>recordings any good?
>
>listening to: Giancarlo Schiaffini "Specchiati Sembianti" from 'Musicist=
i
>Contemtemporanei' (Edipan). Finally tracked this one down on Sunday. Goo=
d
>stuff...
>
>                    -Tom Pratt
>
>
>-
>
>


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Date: Thu, 11  P E G A S U S   M a i l  2000 03:31:34 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: koto

on the subject of koto; does anyone have the Braxton cd on Leo with a
koto player (Lardner?); it gets a very good review in the Penguin
guide...there's a new Leo cd with two koto players (Lardner? and
someone else) and shakuchai(?) player also - sorry, i don't have the
details before me; check the Leo site for info. i guess...  Hywel

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:15:16 +0200
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: R: plunderphonics

did anybody try? There's something seriously wrong with track 14.... it
stops after downloading tens of mega. I've got most of the rest - impossible
to do on a modem connection I think as it takes days, literally. I'm burning
the cd but I'm stuck - nobody answers at the site. I'd hate to do it without
one of the files....
- -----Messaggio originale-----
Da: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
A: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Data: sabato 3 aprile 1999 8.12
Oggetto: Re: plunderphonics


>
>In a message dated 4/2/99 11:10:39 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>
><< I just got a faster internet connection and now could actually download
>the plunderphonics files in a vaguely reasonable amount of time. But
>I've lost the url. I got it here. Could someone give it to me again? >>
>
>http://www.interlog.com/~vacuvox/x.html
>
>Jon
>
>-
>
>


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