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Zorn List Digest        Thursday, April 8 1999        Volume 02 : Number 641



In this issue:
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       re: cobra presence
       Cobra editions?
       Re: About Time
       Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)
       I Want To Live
       Re: Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)
       Re: Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)
       Re: Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)
       Re: I Want To Live
       Re: Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)
       Re: Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)
       Re: Ogun (now: Kenny 'Zoyd' Wheeler)
       [Fwd: [DrScience] Cutesy Names]
       Re: Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)
       Live in London
       RE: Live in London
       Re: Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)
       Steve Lacy
       Panties verse the Cosms.
       Re: Purple Trap

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:54:41 -0700
From: Todd Bramy <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: cobra presence

>i hear there is a cobra group in seattle. anyone in seattle on the list? can
>anyone verify this?
>
>~joseph



The Seattle Cobra has been happening about every month for the last four or
so. The lineup changes a little each time, but there is a difinite core of
musicians that have followed the series through, including some of the
following:
Patrick Barber (voice), Carl Farrow (electronics), Bill Horist (guitar),
Jeph Jerman (percussion), Adam McCollum (oud), Stuart MacLeod (vibes), Bill
Moyer (percussion), Dennis Rea (guitar), Brent Arnold (erhu)

Todd
NP: Cristal Methodists: Satanic Ritual Abuse



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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:41:27 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Cobra editions?

I now have two "editions" of Cobra on Hat Art.
Could someone please tell me the difference between editions 2 and 4?
(besides the fact that one is in a paper sleeve over a double jewel box and
the other is in a slimline double jewel case...
What do the other editions look/sound like?  How many editions are there?

Thanks,

Steven



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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 22:01:40 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: About Time

[e-mail] wrote:

>      Just got word that About Time will, at last, be issuing several of
>      their long out of print albums onto disc within the next two months.
>      First five are scheduled to be the two wonderful Threadgill Sextetts

There were three: "When Was That?" "Just the Facts and Pass the Bucket" and
"Subject to Change."  Any word on which two are being reissued?  Hope they get
to the first Ronald Shannon Jackson disc, "Eye on You," too...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:47:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)

Playing upon the editing prowess of [e-mail]...

<< In a message dated 4/2/99 2:31:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail]
 writes:

 << Ogun(now there's a
  back catalog that deserves a full reissue)  >>
  >>

My Ogun reissue vote would go for L. Moholo 8tet's _Spirits Rejoice_ .  It
defines the term "freebop" AFAIC...  It's a total joy in which to listen-
even after 100+ trips on my turntable.

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:41:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (David J. Polak)
Subject: I Want To Live

I know this is slightly off topic, but it was discussed here a while ago.
Anyways, the soundtrack to "I Want To Live" by Johnny Mandel (Zorn covered
the main theme on "Naked City") was recently re-released by Ryco. It has
the soundtrack album, Gerry Mulligan Jazz combo companion album, and
theatrical trailer on 1 CD. Worth picking up.


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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 23:20:40 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)

[e-mail] wrote:

> My Ogun reissue vote would go for L. Moholo 8tet's _Spirits Rejoice_ .  It
> defines the term "freebop" AFAIC...  It's a total joy in which to listen-
> even after 100+ trips on my turntable.

Strongly seconded. One of the great pretty much unheard recordings of
the last 25 years. ...Wish he'd have one something remotely as good
since then, but the Viva La Black recordings I've heard aren't in the
same league.

Brian Olewnick

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:12:30 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)

In a message dated 4/6/99 11:25:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< [e-mail] wrote:

 > My Ogun reissue vote would go for L. Moholo 8tet's _Spirits Rejoice_ .  It
 > defines the term "freebop" AFAIC...  It's a total joy in which to listen-
 > even after 100+ trips on my turntable.

 Strongly seconded. One of the great pretty much unheard recordings of
 the last 25 years. ...Wish he'd have one something remotely as good
 since then, but the Viva La Black recordings I've heard aren't in the
 same league. >>

Indeed.  Those Viva La Black albums come nowhere close.

On a sidebar- I've seen some bad-mouthing of Kenny Wheeler on a certain
Usenet NG in recent times.  This LP possibly holds his most shining moments.
I don't think it would be the LP it is with anyone else in his place.

=dgasque=

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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 21:12:43 -0700
From: s~Z <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)

> On a sidebar- I've seen some bad-mouthing of Kenny Wheeler on a certain
> Usenet NG in recent times.

Kenny has been getting raves on the Pynchon List.

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:48:06 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: I Want To Live

> I know this is slightly off topic, but it was discussed here a while ago.
> Anyways, the soundtrack to "I Want To Live" by Johnny Mandel (Zorn covered
> the main theme on "Naked City") was recently re-released by Ryco. It has
> the soundtrack album, Gerry Mulligan Jazz combo companion album, and
> theatrical trailer on 1 CD. Worth picking up.

I'd like to know what the chances are of finding this one on vinyl. I recall
that there are two different "I Want To Live" soundtrack albums out there, as
indicated above.

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:09:51 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)

On Tue, 06 Apr 1999 21:12:43 -0700  s~Z wrote:
>
> Kenny has been getting raves on the Pynchon List.

Why?

    Patrice.


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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:13:25 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)

On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:12:30 EDT  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> On a sidebar- I've seen some bad-mouthing of Kenny Wheeler on a certain
> Usenet NG in recent times.  This LP possibly holds his most shining moments.
> I don't think it would be the LP it is with anyone else in his place.

It is a little bit hard to say that. There are many other musicians on this
record that I could say the same thing. Kenny is one of many who made this
record what it is: a fantastic and joyful record.

    Patrice (who never really recovered from Evan Parker's solo on the
        first track.)


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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:16:48 -0700
From: s~Z <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ogun (now: Kenny 'Zoyd' Wheeler)

> > Kenny has been getting raves on the Pynchon List.
>
> Why?
>
>         Patrice.

A newby had 'nudeants' in their email address. I erroneously remembered
that as a Kenny Wheeler title and made mention of it. The addressee
corrected me re: its Jarrett origins but said he was a huge Kenny Wheeler
fan and was glad to see his name pop up on the list however erroneously.
Several P-listers ran out and bought Kenny Wheeler recordings and
re-appeared later to post their gratitude for having been introduced to
such lovely music. This was all on topic, because the discussion was of
'Vineland' at that time, and one of the main characters is Zoyd Wheeler.
Yes, I know it's off topic here, but I was ASKED!

s~Z

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 00:11:48 -0500
From: Diego Gruber <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Fwd: [DrScience] Cutesy Names]

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> Dear Doctor Science,
> Why do jazz musicians all seem to have "cutesy" boy names like Johnny,
> Woody, Bobby, etc?
>
> -- Gary Brown from Sunnyvale, CA
>
> All jazz musicians are cute. Even the most grizzled octogenarian exudes
> cuteness from the moment he puckers up and blows, pounds the ivories or
> skins, or twangs his magic twanger. Usually the cute name and behavior
> are just an act, a con, and the cutesy affectation belies a sociopathic
> personality that makes Stalin look like Sinatra. One should especially
> beware of grandfatherly types who grin and roll their eyes while
> playing. Most likely they're planning the overthrow of this nation's
> government while tossing off a complicated riff. I'd trust a musician
> named Milton a lot farther than one named Bobby.
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Dear Doctor Science,
Why do jazz musicians all seem to have "cutesy" boy names like Johnny,
Woody, Bobby, etc?

- -- Gary Brown from Sunnyvale, CA

All jazz musicians are cute. Even the most grizzled octogenarian exudes
cuteness from the moment he puckers up and blows, pounds the ivories or
skins, or twangs his magic twanger. Usually the cute name and behavior
are just an act, a con, and the cutesy affectation belies a sociopathic
personality that makes Stalin look like Sinatra. One should especially
beware of grandfatherly types who grin and roll their eyes while
playing. Most likely they're planning the overthrow of this nation's
government while tossing off a complicated riff. I'd trust a musician
named Milton a lot farther than one named Bobby.
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:59:24 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)

On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:47:21 EDT  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> My Ogun reissue vote would go for L. Moholo 8tet's _Spirits Rejoice_ .  It
> defines the term "freebop" AFAIC...  It's a total joy in which to listen-
> even after 100+ trips on my turntable.

This is a hard one to beat! I would also add:

*** - MARCEL'S MUSE: Mike Osborne
*** - IN CONFERENCE: Harry Miller
*** - THE LONGEST NIGHT - VOL. 1/VOL. 2: John Stevens, Evan Parker

Not to mention all the Ogun records that I was too lazy for not buying...

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:40:24 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Live in London

Hi Philozorners!

Could anybody tell me if there are any Zorn-related live shows in London
between April 12th and 16th?
Thanks.

    __________________________________________________________________
    Artur Nowak [arno AT silesia.top.pl]
    www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell


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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:12:51 GMT
From: "Douglas Clarke" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Live in London

>From: "Artur Nowak" <[e-mail]>

>Could anybody tell me if there are any Zorn-related live shows in
London
>between April 12th and 16th?
>Thanks.

Distantly Zorn related (Danny Heifetz-Mr. Bungle-John Zorn?) but one
of my favorite bands none the less, Dieselhed will be playing April
16 in London at the ULU. However it may be opening for Cake. Too bad.
And if you can make it to England a day early, Dave Douglas's Tiny
Bell Trio is playing on the 11th in Cheltenham.

- -Doug


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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:31:04 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Ogun (was: Lol Coxhill)

In a message dated 4/7/99 11:13:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:12:30 EDT  [e-mail] wrote:
 >
 > On a sidebar- I've seen some bad-mouthing of Kenny Wheeler on a certain
 > Usenet NG in recent times.  This LP possibly holds his most shining
moments.
 > I don't think it would be the LP it is with anyone else in his place.

 It is a little bit hard to say that. There are many other musicians on this
 record that I could say the same thing. Kenny is one of many who made this
 record what it is: a fantastic and joyful record.
  >>

Oh well- forgot the "IMO", I suppose...;-)

I was mainly stressing the occasional flaming that Mr. Wheeler gets on the
rec.music.bluenote NG.  One thread there was called something to the effect
of "Bad fluglehorn players whose initials are K.W."  But then again, that NG
can be rather moronic at times...

=dgasque=

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:44:20 -0400
From: Alan E Kayser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Steve Lacy

Steve Lacy will be playing at The Ethical Society Hall, Rittenhouse
Square, Philadelphia, this Saturday, April 10.  The show is at 7:30PM.
Tickets are available at the door or call 215-665-1170.  This is a
Sweetnighter Production.


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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:05:07 -0400
From: "Jason J. Tar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Panties verse the Cosms.

Got the recent Yoshihide-with-spoken-word releases.
PantyChrist is by far the better of the two.  The music done by Yoshihide
works very well with Bond's humourous stories.  I've never been much on
spoken word, but this stuff is done well.  Lots of voice used, not simply
the drawl boring speak.  Plus Ostertag does fine editing that makes it all
flow well.
Microcosms is Yoshihide and Tenko.  I thought this would be my preference,
given that Tenko is Japanese and the vocals would just kinda blend in as
music.  No such luck.  They blend somewhat, but not as well as the Bond
pieces.  Plus many tracks simply end cold, no editing at all.  Finally,
they even used the piece from _Untitled (Ten)_ compilation with a few
vocals dropped on top.  The full album isn't all that bad, but just doesn't
seem well developed.  This is also the first Yoshihide project I've seen
where he credits sources (Dubsonice/Madmax/Stock Hausen & Walkman).

Both however stay away from tones and pulses, which Yoshihide's been doing
(way too much) lately.  That type of sound needs to stay in the realm of
Ikeda, who does it best.  [Though the recent Sachiko M/Toshimaru Nakamura
on Meme is quite excellent.]

JJTar.

- ---
Peace Hugs and Unity            Jason J. Tar
        W.    W.    J.    D?
                  (What would Jason Do?)
      http://pilot.msu.edu/user/tarjason
              ICQ@13792120

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 17:24:16 +0100
From: Richard Gardner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Purple Trap

>
> Having posted my original thoughts I was interested to read this:

>

> my two cents on this one, although I've only heard the first disc so far, is
> that it sounds like E-Z listening Haino. there are parts where he's downright
> wanky, a word I never thought of in connection with him before. and it's not
> even recorded especially crisply.
>
> I have little tolerance for virtually anything Laswell-related, and I find
> Ali to be one of the less interesting drummers from that scene, but
> nevertheless, after the pre-release raves from Zorn and Bruce Gallanter, I
> was pretty disappointed. you could even describe large portions of the first
> disc as sedate, I'd say.
>

It seems to imply that Haino really only cuts it as a full on screamer. I like that
side of his playing (love Fushitsusha) but Purple Trap seems more to do with
interaction and interplay with the rythmn. That said Ali is a fine drummer for this
interplay (he certainly suited Coltrane's late stuff better than Elvin Jones) though
I have agree that Laswell brings little to the party but a lo-end drone.

Laswell's new Tzadik - Invisible Design - is so lacking in anything creative I think
the label quality control engine is off-line. Much better is Hashisheen - End of Law
on Sub Rosa which certainly has its moments.



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