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Zorn List Digest         Monday, April 5 1999         Volume 02 : Number 639



In this issue:
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       Re: Lol Coxhill
       Re: Hakim Bey: wanted
       Africa Djole (was Pukwana/Feza)
       Re: Hakim Bey: wanted
       merzbow
       Re: faq
       Re: faq
       Piano Players(no piano) benefit 4/16
       Re: Hakim Bey: wanted
       Re: Lol Coxhill
       Re: chris cutler book
       Re: faq
       Re: Pukwana/Feza
       Re: Lol Coxhill
       Re: merzbow
       plunderphonics
       Re: plunderphonics
       Re: plunderphonics
       LP Auction
       tom WAITS
       Christian Wolff in RealAudio
       VINYL/CD Sale ...
       Greatest Improviser Poll Results

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:46:25 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Lol Coxhill

I checked out Music Blvd and CD Universe for Coxhill albums.  CD universe for
the same album "Ear of the Beholder" is only $13.57 vs. 21.59 at Music Blvd.
The beauty of capitalism.

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:48:09 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Hakim Bey: wanted

In a message dated 4/1/99 8:17:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< From:    [e-mail] (Scott Handley)
 Sender:    [e-mail]
 To:    [e-mail]

 I'd very much like to own the Axiom CD featuring Hakim Bey reading some
 of his own writings, from TAZ I think.  If anyone's willing to part with
 theirs, I'm looking. >>

Scott, try contacting me directly, I can't seem to reply to you at the email
address above.

Dale.


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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:44:03 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Africa Djole (was Pukwana/Feza)

In a message dated 3/31/99 5:39:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< With all this talk on African/improv stuff, I was wondering if anyone's
heard and
 has comments on the Africa Djole discs on FMP. I've always been curious about
 these... >>

I've got 2 or 3 of the LPs- can't recall the titles now.  I bought the first
one thinking it would be nothing but drums and percussion, but it had other
non-percussive instruments (and vocals) too.  While these are not "Afropop"
per se, they're not exactly "field recordings" either- something in-between.
- -Probably the most out-of-character-for-the-label albums of the FMP/SAJ
stable.

spinning: Area- Maledetti

=dgasque=

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:26:29 +0930
From: "BLA BLA BLA" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hakim Bey: wanted

> I'd very much like to own the Axiom CD featuring Hakim Bey reading some
> of his own writings, from TAZ I think.  If anyone's willing to part with
> theirs, I'm looking. >>
>


http://www.autonomedia.org/

you'll find it there.

cheerio

.diz.



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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 02:01:32 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
From: Jason Talbot <[e-mail]>
Subject: merzbow

hi
   does anyone own any of the films/videos that merzbow has done
soundtracks for or any of the documentaries that merzbw has been part
of.

any merzbow information related to the above mentioned would be great!

thanks
jt


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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 04:36:22 -0500
From: SG <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: faq

wetboy wrote:

> here's my contribution to the faq:
>
> q: what does the writing on the back of the painkiller cd buried secrets
> mean? where is it from?
>
> a: in the chicago area there was serial killer named william heirens who, at
> the murder scene of frances brown, wrote on the wall in lipstick
>
> For heAVens
> SAke cAtch Me
> BeFore I Kill More
> I cannot control myselF
>
> pictures like this one and the cover of the eponymous naked city record are
> in a book by luc sante called evidence.

Not to nit-pick, but the photo on the s/t Naked City album was by Weegee from
his book "Naked City" (hmm... coincidence?) - I haven't seen the Sante book, but
I imagine it could have been reprinted in there for some reason as well...    -
S.



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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:07:43 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: faq

> > q: what does the writing on the back of the painkiller cd buried secrets
> > mean? where is it from?
> >
> > a: in the chicago area there was serial killer named william heirens who, at
> > the murder scene of frances brown, wrote on the wall in lipstick
> >
> > For heAVens
> > SAke cAtch Me
> > BeFore I Kill More
> > I cannot control myselF
> >
> > pictures like this one and the cover of the eponymous naked city record are
> > in a book by luc sante called evidence.
>
> Not to nit-pick, but the photo on the s/t Naked City album was by Weegee from
> his book "Naked City" (hmm... coincidence?) - I haven't seen the Sante book, but
> I imagine it could have been reprinted in there for some reason as well...    -
> S.

There is no "original source text" for many of these images - they just reside
in the collective cultural baggage of the 20th century Western society. Those
Heirens photos, for example, are featured in any decent book on serial killers.
The original source here would be the Chicago Police Dept. archives.

What is more interesting is WHY Zorn (and many others) are so attracted to
these images and the stories they tell. The answer to this lies in the
fascination of man with sex and death - two topics that have been explored in
close connection by all the imagery we're speaking about here. Bataille cites
the Leng Tch'e photos as a prime example of Ecstasy derived from fear of death,
that can be compared to Ecstasy derived from sexual arousal. The connection
between sex and death is obvious in all the serial killer related material.
The Torture Garden material speaks for itself, too (I would really recommend
reading the book by Octave Mirbeau). And the list goes on.

Frankco.

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 99 09:32:25 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Piano Players(no piano) benefit 4/16

Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum
122 West 27th Street, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10001
212-242-4201
www.brechtforum.org


Piano Players(no piano) -- A special benefit concert features Myra Melford,
Cooper-Moore, Dominic Duval, David Gross, Kali Fasteau

Join the Brecht Forum for a special concert to benefit the Brecht Forum's
new piano, as some of the best improvising pianists in the city stretch out
on other instruments.  The concert, on Friday, April 16 at 7:30 pm features
Myra Melford on harmonium with poet Reuben Jackson, along with Cooper-Moore
on homemade and percussion instruments and Kali Fasteau on a variety of
instruments. These pianists will be complemented by Dominic Duval & David
Gross in an accoustic/electric bass duo, who have joined in to contribute to
the cause of this new performance space acquiring a much-needed piano.

The concert is part of the Brecht Forum's new, year-round Neues Kabarett
series, at 122 West 27th Street, 10th Floor, between 6th and 7th Avenues in
Manhattan.  $10-25 sliding scale admission.  For information call 212-242-4201.

The Brecht Forum is a cultural and educational center for people working for
fundamental change and a society that puts human needs first.  Neues
Kabarett is a new series of avant-garde and experimental jazz started in
October 1998.  Since then, we have presented seven concerts and a panel
discussion co-sponsored with the Noise Action Coalition that explored
economic justice for musicians.  The series continues in April with this
piano benefit and two concerts highlighting small New York-based labels.
Upcoming events will include dance performances and a festival highlighting
the contributions of innovative jazz composers who are women.  The April 16
benefit is the first activity in a fundraising campaign that includes a
raffle, silent auction of artworks, a second benefit concert in July
(pianists playing the new piano) and other events.







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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:03:47 PST
From: "Scott Handley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hakim Bey: wanted

All I could see was the TAZ book, not the recording.

- ----s


>From: "BLA BLA BLA" <[e-mail]>

>> I'd very much like to own the Axiom CD featuring Hakim Bey reading
some
>> of his own writings, from TAZ I think.  ....

>http://www.autonomedia.org/
>
>you'll find it there.
>
>cheerio
>
>.diz.
>
>
>
>-
>

Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:13:57 -0500
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Lol Coxhill

>I have two Lol Coxhill albums that are quite good, but I have no idea if they
>are in print or not.  The first is an album with a pianist named Steve Miller
>called Coxhill/Miller Miller/Coxhill. on Virgin Records 1973  Mostly duets,
>but a few tunes have Pip Pyl, percussion,  Richard Sinclair bass and Phil
>Miller on guitar

    ...which was followed up with 1974's "The Story so far.....Oh
Really" also on Caroline/Virgin(C1507), also credited to Coxhill and
Steve Miller, who sadly, passed away last year. Both releases are
more melodic than free, and both are quite charming(and hopelessly
out-of-print).
    Cohill had a few records as a leader on Ogun(now there's a
back catalog that deserves a full reissue) One is "The Joy of
Paranoia" which has an electric band on one side and duo's with
Pianist Veryan Weston on the other, and "Diverse" which I'm not
familiar with. There was also a duo LP with Weston, and another with
Fred Frith, entitled ":French Gigs".  Coxhill also has had a
concurrent career as an actor, popping up on various British produced
things that have made their way to PBS.


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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:25:54 -0500
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: chris cutler book

>At 05:40 PM 4/1/99 PST, Scott Handley wrote:
> >Has anyone read Chris Cutler's book FILE UNDER: POPULAR, published by
> >Semiotext(e)?
>
>It's been a long time, but I remember this book favorably as one of the
>earliest critical theory books on popular music dealing with any kind of
>avant garde.  First published in 1985 based on articles as early as 1980,
>it contains articles on What Is Popular Music, Sun Ra, the Residents, Phil
>Ochs and Elvis, Progressive Music in the UK, Progressive Music and
>Progressive Politics, and the central essay on Necessity and Choice in
>Musical Forms, with specific examples drawn from his experience in Henry
>Cow and RIO.
>
    I especially enjoyed the Ochs vs. Elvis comparison...which
brings up a question. Does anyone know the title of the Phil Ochs
tune that Henry Cow used to perform live? I think it begins with the
lines "Hello,hello,hello, Is there anyone at home"......

Rich
(whose knowledge of 60's agit-prop folk is woefully inadequate)


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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:37:47 -0500
From: "wetboy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: faq

- -----Original Message-----
From: SG <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, April 02, 1999 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: faq


>
>
>wetboy wrote:
>
>> here's my contribution to the faq:
>>
>> q: what does the writing on the back of the painkiller cd buried secrets
>> mean? where is it from?
>>
>> a: in the chicago area there was serial killer named william heirens who,
at
>> the murder scene of frances brown, wrote on the wall in lipstick
>>
>> For heAVens
>> SAke cAtch Me
>> BeFore I Kill More
>> I cannot control myselF
>>
>> pictures like this one and the cover of the eponymous naked city record
are
>> in a book by luc sante called evidence.
>
>Not to nit-pick, but the photo on the s/t Naked City album was by Weegee
from
>his book "Naked City" (hmm... coincidence?) - I haven't seen the Sante
book, but
>I imagine it could have been reprinted in there for some reason as
l...    -
>S.
>
no no feel free to nitpick. i thought i saw the same in photo in the sante
book, but it may have been something that simply looked similar. the sante
book is about 100(?) photos of crime scenes all shot in b/w. i stand
corrected.


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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 16:22:45 -0600
From: Dave Lechtenberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Pukwana/Feza

Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> Also, on what label is 'In The Townships'?
>

It's on Earthworks/Virgin.

Another good album with Dudu Pukwana is Johnny Dyani's Witchdoctor's Son
on Steeplechase. Stylistically it's more diverse. It starts off with
an Ornette-ish freebob tune, then there a couple of Pukwana
compositions,
a Brazilian style piece and finally a long but very nice African groove
piece. Unfortunately Steeplechase doesn't seem to have a U.S.
distributor
at the moment so it might be hard to find. A pity because after getting
Pierre Dorge's Brikama, I wanted to get some more.

- -Dave

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:28:41 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Lol Coxhill

In a message dated 4/2/99 2:31:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Ogun(now there's a
 back catalog that deserves a full reissue)  >>

I have a CD issue on One Way of the Hugh Hopper/Elton Dean/Keith Tippett/Joe
Gallivan album called Cruel But Fair, which if I remember right originally
was on Ogun. In the booklet, it says "Under license from Elton Dean." So
maybe there's some hope somewhere!!

Dale.


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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 13:35:57 +0930
From: "BLA BLA BLA" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: merzbow

not of the top of my head, there is a live video (NTSC) that is available
through soleilmoon, when merzbow played uerope a couple of years.

but try forwardding this to the merzbow list , sign up by going to
www.onelist.com.......

if not just email me privately and i'll have a looko for you as i'm vaaguely
interested myself........

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jason Talbot <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, 2 April 1999 4:35
Subject: merzbow


>hi
>   does anyone own any of the films/videos that merzbow has done
>soundtracks for or any of the documentaries that merzbw has been part
>of.
>
>any merzbow information related to the above mentioned would be great!
>
>thanks
>jt
>
>
>-
>


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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:27:08 -0800
From: Al Tabor <[e-mail]>
Subject: plunderphonics

Hi,

I just got a faster internet connection and now could actually download
the plunderphonics files in a vaguely reasonable amount of time. But
I've lost the url. I got it here. Could someone give it to me again?

Thanks in advance!

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 22:09:57 -0600
From: Craig Rath <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: plunderphonics

At 02:27 PM 4/2/99 -0800, Al Tabor wrote:
>
>I just got a faster internet connection and now could actually download
>the plunderphonics files in a vaguely reasonable amount of time. But
>I've lost the url. I got it here. Could someone give it to me again?

I got mine at:

vorlon.mit.edu/pub/plunderphonic/



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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 01:21:49 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: plunderphonics

In a message dated 4/2/99 11:10:39 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< I just got a faster internet connection and now could actually download
the plunderphonics files in a vaguely reasonable amount of time. But
I've lost the url. I got it here. Could someone give it to me again? >>

http://www.interlog.com/~vacuvox/x.html

Jon

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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 09:26:30 +0800
From: Sibree/Wilkes <[e-mail]>
Subject: LP Auction

No Zorn content (I don't think) but lots of interesting stuff including
Frith, Coxhill, Art Bears, Slapp Happy, Laswell etc. Email for details.

Regards,
Billy



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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:23:16 -0800
From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: tom WAITS

Does anyone have any advanced information as to touring schedule on the
east coast, specifically New York City?

thanks!

JT

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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 06:00:00 -0700
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Christian Wolff in RealAudio

Hi,

Thought some of you'all'd be interested in Mappings this week
<http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index.htm>: a big chunk of
Christian Wolff's music from vairous periods largely but not entirely drawn
from recent Mode & Hat Art recordings.

Note that the RealPlayer track listings got screwed up the first three
tracks are all movements of the Piano trio. The playlist is correct
however. (I'll try to get around to fixing this in a day or two, but I do
work in an office doing US income taxes & the next two weeks are going to
be a bit hectic.)

Let me know how you like the show.

Bests,

Herb


Herb Levy
[e-mail]



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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 11:00:16 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: VINYL/CD Sale ...

Hello,

Please pardon the intrusion & cross-posting ...

I've got some items FS that some on this
list may be interested in.  Artists include:

Big Black
Delphium
Gerogerigegege
Jesus Lizard
Masonna
Merzbow
Porter Ricks
Scanner
Shea, David
Source Direct
Whitehouse
& others

Check out the URL at the bottom of this message or
email me for a copy if you're browser challenged.


- -Patrick
[e-mail]
http://www.astro.utoronto.ca/~carey/sofa/sale.html



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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 11:09:23 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: Greatest Improviser Poll Results

Zornlist Greatest Improviser of the 20th Century Poll Results

Zornlist respondents were extremely jazz oriented and mindful of that
tradition. Other improvising styles -- rock, blues, latin, Indian,
African, etc. -- went virtually unrecognized. One could want for more
than the 21 ballots cast but hell, there're critics polls that have
less, and there is a clear theme or two that emerge from this sampling.

Thanks to all who played, and extra thanks to those who offered their
comments -- all of which were enjoyed. If you post comments to the list
about this poll, try to be thoughtful and insightful. We probably all
agree that this is primarily of amusement value. I doubt we'll see CBS
record a Cecil/Derek duet and bill them as the third and fourth
greatest improvisors of the 20th century named by the Zornlist.
Although that would be quite an amusement.

Rank   Artist  Points (First place votes) (Total # of ballots listing
this artist)

1. John Coltrane 49 (5) (12)
2. Charlie Parker 31 (5) (7)
3. Cecil Taylor 22 (1) (7)
4. Derek Bailey 17 (1) (5)
5. Louis Armstrong 16 (2) (5)
6. (tie)
    Miles Davis 15 (0) (5)
    Ornette Coleman 15 (0) (5)
8. John Zorn 13 (0) (6)
9. Peter Brotzmann 10 (1) (4)
10. Evan Parker 8 (1) (2)
11. (tie)
    Anthony Braxton 7 (1) (2)
    Eye 7 (1) (2)
    Bill Frisell 7 (1) (2)
    Fred Frith 7 (0) (4)
    Keith Jarrett 7 (1) (2)
16. (tie)
    Eric Dolphy 6 (0) (2)
    Jimi Hendrix 6 (0) (2)
With the exception of Monk, Tatum and Zappa (two ballots each), the
artists listed below were named on one ballot only.
18. (tie with 5 points)
    Anthony Coleman, Joey Baron, Vyacheslav Ganelin, Allan Holdsworth,
Charlie Haden
23. (tie with 4 points)
    Wayne Krantz, Charles Mingus, Leo Smith, Ken Vandermark, Tony
Williams, Frank Zappa
29. (tied with 3 points)
    Alice Coltrane, Tom Cora, Thomas Chapin, Jerry Garcia, Ella
Fitzgerald, Eyvind Kang, Steve Lacy, Ikue Mori,Marc Ribot
39. (tied with 2)
    Albert Ayler, Bill Evans, Leroy Jenkins, Paul Lovens, John McLaughlin,
Thelonious Monk, Eddie Provost, Art Tatum
45. (tied with 1)
    Chuck Berry, Clifford Brown, Milford Graves, Robert Johnson, Umezu
Kazutoki, Shawn Lane, Phil Minton, Lee Morgan

Scoring: First place votes received five points, second=4, third=3,
fourth=2, fifth=1. Total number of votes cast may not equal 105 (21
ballots x five votes each) since some ballots had two artists tied for
fifth (hence six artists named) while others submitted ballots with
less than five artists. Total number of first place votes exceeds 21
because some ballots had two artists tied for first.

This poll is not endorsed, sanctioned or officially connected with the
zornlist or John Zorn, although ballots were solicited from the
zornlist exclusively.

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