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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #635
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, March 28 1999 Volume 02 : Number 635
In this issue:
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Mime-Version: 1.0
Re: negativland book
Spending some quality time with Big John
Re: Spending some quality time with Big John
Re: Negativland
New Clusone 3
Cincinnati Cobra Group April dates
Re: soup disk
Re: soup disk
Need help (No Zorn Content)
Matthew Shipp Duo with William Parker "Zo" (No Zorn Content)
zorn book
Re: Fred Frith
Re: Matthew Shipp Duo with William Parker "Zo" (No Zorn Content)
cds for sale
Re: zorn book
branded to kill
Bailey
Shaking Ray Levis/D. Bailey/Zorn Sample
Dion McGregor!!
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:36:13 -0800
From: pjm <pjm@memes.com>
Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0
Patrice said:
>PS: not to mention that without U2, nobody would even know what
>Negativland is.
Negativland received considerable press before the U2 saga when some kid
blew his head off after listening to "Christianity is Stupid".... or was
that a media prank? either way, they were in the media spotlight a bit
pre-U2. one or two memebers also used to do a great live performance radio
show out of Berkeley. People could call in and improv over the phone and
over the air... it was pretty fun
2 cents
pjm
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:52:54 -0500
From: Taylor McLaren <tmclaren@uoguelph.ca>
Subject: Re: negativland book
MEEP! Patrice L. Roussel <proussel@ichips.intel.com> wrote:
>That the worse the U2 record company
>could have done would have been to ignore them.
Well, at least as far as their latest outings go, their targets (Pepsi and
whoever the hell the _Happy Heroes_ EP was supposed to be directed at)
*have* ignored them, and probably with good cause. To hear Don Joyce talk
about it, you'd think that they were glad that they haven't been sued, but
I really do have to wonder about that, especially given the pains that the
band still takes to poke sticks at anybody even remotely associated with
the U2 trials; a Deja News search for the address donjoyce@my-dejanews.com
should turn up an interesting bunch of threads on rec.music.industrial from
last September or so.
- -me
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:52:10 -0500
From: Michael Witt <mwitt@schilli.com>
Subject: Spending some quality time with Big John
The Elbo Room is a fun place to see a show, and I'm excited about Vandermark
playing with John Patton this Saturday in Chicago. Can anyone elaborate on
the Zorn-relation and recommend an album other than SPILLANE? The attached
is the Critic's Choice blurb in the Chicago Reader. If there's interest
here, I'll review the concert on Sunday.
- --Mike
> ---
> BIG JOHN PATTON
> Saturday 3/27, Elbo Room
> The pantheon of 60s organ heroes cleaved into two distinct camps: the more
> conservative wing stuck like glue to the tried-and-true devices of blues
> and balladry that were the mainspring of soul jazz, while the more
> progressive types made forays into modal and free jazz. Big John Patton's
> 1968 trio outing Understanding (Blue Note), featuring Harold Alexander's
> expressionist tenor saxophone, connected as easily with the screaming free
> scene as with grease-streaked, hot-skillet soul jazz. Patton was no
> dabbler when it came to the latter--for proof, check out Let 'Em Roll, his
> funky record with guitarist Grant Green and vibist Bobby Hutcherson, or
> his Crescent City strut on Boogaloo and Memphis to New York Spirit. But he
> could swing both ways, plunging deep into harmonic territory tested by
> only a few daring organ-grinders (like Larry Young) and surfacing into
> southern-fried blues. Since he returned to recording and performing in '83
> after a long hiatus, Patton has made some equally adventurous music,
> including a cameo on Spillane, the montage-based record by New York outcat
> saxophonist John Zorn. Zorn returned the favor, playing on Patton's 1993
> release, Blue Planet Man (Evidence), and on the excellent quartet disc
> Minor Swing (DIW) from '95. At this show Patton will be accompanied by the
> crack "Heroes of the Hammond" team, Robert Shy on drums and George Freeman
> on guitar; guest saxophonist Ken Vandermark will reach into the impressive
> bag of blues and soul tricks he's collected with Baxter and the Crown
> Royals. Saturday, 10 PM, Elbo Room, 2871 North Lincoln; 312-409-0099 or
> 773-549-5549. --John Corbett
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:31:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Spending some quality time with Big John
Most of John Patton's albums from the 1960s on Blue Note are pretty good.
If any are on CD pick one up.
I think Zorn and Patton also played together on an Evidence CD a few
years ago undr Patton's name, the title of which escapes me.
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:58:16 -0800
From: cd <cappyd@uvic.ca>
Subject: Re: Negativland
Peter Hollo wrote:
>
> Not convinced that nobody would have heard of Negativland if not for the
> U2 story. They do over-milk it but nevertheless it is important in the
> realm of legal rights of sample-based music and so on,
Important? How so? Nothing went to trial, so this case did not clarify
anything (except that you can't release a record with "U2" printed on
the cover in 12 inch type and get away with it!).
> not to mention the right to satire.
In the US, satire is NOT an exemption to copyright infringement (see
Dr. Seuss Enterprises, L.P. v. Penguin Books USA, Inc., 109 F.3d 1394
(9th Cir. 1997). Parody, however, may constitute fair use (See Campbell
v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc., 510 U.S. 569 (1994)). A subtle distinction,
but very important (as many unsuspecting defendants have discovered).
- -cd
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:56:43 -0500 (EST)
From: eric ong <eso200@is5.nyu.edu>
Subject: New Clusone 3
Hello,
I've been listening to the new Clusone 3 (Moore, Reijseger, Bennink) for
two days straight now and I just wanted to chime in with a recommendation.
It's called "Rara Avis" (hat) -- 14 songs, 55 minutes. All the songs,
somehow, are "about" birds ("The Buzzard Song", "Duck", "El Condor Pasa",
etc). So expect bird chirping noises here and there. Not at all
annoying, don't worry. There are two tunes written by Moore, the rest are
by Gershwin, Lacy, Berlin, A.C. Jobim, Carmichael, a Peruvian folksong,
etc.
This record is great. It'll probably be one of my favorite jazz offerings
at the end of the year. The songs are incredibly listenable, playful, and
upbeat. There's enough dissonance, however, to maintain interest --
mainly due to Bennink's incredible off-beat/now on-beat drumming. I'm
amazed at how informal a lot of this music feels to the ear -- I mean, I
never knew sloppiness to be a virtue. I guess only the impression of
sloppiness truly works. I wish I could describe some of the standout
tracks, but I'm really pressed for time today.
No Bartok samples on that Tenko/Otomo Microcosmos disc, I checked. Heh.
eric.
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:10:38 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Cincinnati Cobra Group April dates
An unsolicited post from a fan of the group. Anyone in the Cincinnati Ohio
area should try to catch at least one of these dates.
>
>The COBRA Ensemble - Cincinnati will perform:
>>
>Friday April 9, 8:30pm, Patricia Corbett Theater, Univ. of Cincinnati,
Calhoun
>St. and Clifton Ave. In addition to renderings of Zorn's COBRA, this show
will
>include two Renaissance motets arranged for group members by NF, one of which
>will feature soprano saxophone improvisation and solo dancer/choreographer
Ann
>Chiaverini. The program will also include a piece by NF. This will be a free
>show.
>>
>Saturday, April 17, The Southgate House, 24 E. 3rd St., Newport. 431-2201. We
>will be headlining downstairs in the ballroom, doing just Zorn. Contact Chris
>at Southgate for info regarding opening act.
>>
>To help insure good turnouts, these will probably be the only April
>performances. Please spread the word!.....and then spread it some more! It's
>much more fulfilling for us to "touch madness" (from wonderfully written
>concertgoer response) when you're there to watch.
>
>
>
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:10:56 -0500
From: Matthew Shepherd <shep@globetrotter.net>
Subject: Re: soup disk
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Matthew Shepherd <shep@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>
> Picked up the Soup "Out Of Perspective" comp last week and I'm
heartily
> impressed. A label that seems largely dedicated to slick blends of
> drum&bass and jazz. The jazz end of things is a little light, but it's
> still pretty freakin' cool.
Man, are you sure you don't have wax in your ears?
That comp sux rox. The problem is, it's all
loops, and repetitive loops at that. Nothing very
creative or interesting. I found myself halfway
to sleep before I got so annoyed I had to turn it
off. The stuff by Montage and Cappablack is
slightly less offensive, but overall this record
is unbelievably bad.
- -Nils
- ---
Well, yeah, I do have wax in my ears, but I just turn things up louder.
:-)
Diff'rent strokes for different folks, I guess. I like repetitive
loops.There are a couple of real stinkers on here (but hell, it's a
comp), but a lot of the tracks sort of creep up on you. Maybe I'm just a
big ole cheeseball, but I stand by liking it.
Anre there any better d&b/jazz hybrid bands out there? I mean, if Soup
really does bite, I owe it to myself to check out the real undiluted
deal...
- --
"I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too."
- - E. Presley
Matt Shepherd
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<html>
<br>Matthew Shepherd <shep@globetrotter.net> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> Picked up the Soup "Out Of Perspective" comp last week and I'm heartily
<br>> impressed. A label that seems largely dedicated to slick blends of
<br>> drum&bass and jazz. The jazz end of things is a little light,
but it's
<br>> still pretty freakin' cool.
<p>Man, are you sure you don't have wax in your ears?
<br> That comp sux rox. The problem is, it's all
<br>loops, and repetitive loops at that. Nothing very
<br>creative or interesting. I found myself halfway
<br>to sleep before I got so annoyed I had to turn it
<br>off. The stuff by Montage and Cappablack is
<br>slightly less offensive, but overall this record
<br>is unbelievably bad.
<p>-Nils
<p>---
<br>Well, yeah, I <i>do </i>have wax in my ears, but I just turn things
up louder. :-)
<p>Diff'rent strokes for different folks, I guess. I <i>like</i> repetitive
loops.There are a couple of real stinkers on here (but hell, it's a comp),
but a lot of the tracks sort of creep up on you. Maybe I'm just a big ole
cheeseball, but I stand by liking it.
<p>Anre there any better d&b/jazz hybrid bands out there? I mean, if
Soup really does bite, I owe it to myself to check out the real undiluted
deal...
<p>--
<br>"I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too."
<br>- E. Presley
<p>Matt Shepherd
<br> </html>
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:32:45 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: soup disk
In a message dated 3/27/99 3:14:42 PM, shep@globetrotter.net writes:
<< Anre there any better d&b/jazz hybrid bands out there? >>
I don't think much of this style ends up being very successful, but one I
really enjoy is the first Red Snapper full-length, Reeled And Skinned, on Warp
UK. no one ever picked this up domestically for some reason. the sax player
has legitimate chops, and it comes across as an interesting update on the
organ combo records of the fifties and sixties. it's from 1995, and also
features an early appearance by recent critic favorite Beth Orton.
Jon
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:01:51 +0400
From: "Edward Lutiy" <iron@orc.ru>
Subject: Need help (No Zorn Content)
Good day!
Sorry fo no Zorn content but I need your help with the info on the
following records very much.
Anybody heard these records ??? Who plays on 'em ? What label ?
Your personal opinion - are they good ?
Tony Coe "Some Other Autumn"
Roswell Rudd "Flexible Flyer"
Brown,Rob "Breath Rhyme"
Derome,Jean "Confitures de Gagaku"
Aaly Trio / Vandermark,Ken "Hidden in the Stomach"
Dick,Robert "Other Flute"
Thanks in advance.
Edward.
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:04:59 +0400
From: "Edward Lutiy" <iron@orc.ru>
Subject: Matthew Shipp Duo with William Parker "Zo" (No Zorn Content)
Good day!
Can anybody please tell what's the difference between the original version
of
Matthew Shipp Duo with William Parker "Zo" on Rise Records (1994) and its
reissue on 2.13.61 Records (1997): bonus cuts, sound quality, liner notes,
cover art, etc.
Thanks in advance.
Edward.
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:21:42 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: zorn book
What ever happened to that book about Zorn?
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 09:49:29 -0500
From: philz <zampino@squidco.com>
Subject: Re: Fred Frith
caliban@ctol.net wrote:
>
> "Classical" works- "Pacifica" and "The Previous Evening", also "Lelekovice /
> The As Usual Dance..." (Two pieces- one for string quartet, the other for
guitar quartet.). P is very laid back, quiet, kind of ambient.
In my mind the ultimate "quiet" or ambient release Frith has put out
is _Middle of the Moment_ which collects field recordings and various
bits that Fred has recorded from around the world and puts them back
together in a sum is greater than the parts kind of way. I have yet
to find someone not interested in this cd in one way or another, and
some of the 'naive' vocals he's recorded are incredible, imho.
philz
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:50:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Matthew Shipp Duo with William Parker "Zo" (No Zorn Content)
Depends on whether you get it new, used or as a delete. It's the same CD
with diffrent art and slightlt better distribution.
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Edward Lutiy wrote:
> Good day!
>
> Can anybody please tell what's the difference between the original version
> of
> Matthew Shipp Duo with William Parker "Zo" on Rise Records (1994) and its
> reissue on 2.13.61 Records (1997): bonus cuts, sound quality, liner notes,
> cover art, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Edward.
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:13:40 +0200
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <fmartinelli@tin.it>
Subject: cds for sale
pardon the intrusion. I have a small list of cds for sale, mostly american
and european avantgarde. will mail it on request.
Ciao
Francesco
fmartinelli@tin.it
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:32:29 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: zorn book
On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Julian wrote:
> What ever happened to that book about Zorn?
If you mean the special issue of Materiali Sonori, I have it, and it's
quite good, especially about his earlier, less documented work. I got my
copy for, http://www.artists-shop.com/
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:07:25 -0500
From: "wetboy" <sulacco@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: branded to kill
well i figured its about time i give this dvd a little review. branded to
kill is the story of the number 3 killer who makes a mistake and is hunted
by the number 1 killer. its directed by seijun suzuki who was accused of
making movies that make no sense and make no money. so what the hell does
this have 2 do w/the zorn list? well, jz wrote a nice little thing 4 the
liner notes and provided posters included in the supplement. it includes
several posters of films that starred jo shishido, star of branded to kill.
kinda cool, but i wonder where zorn keeps all these damn posters. kinda
interesting that criterion should seek out zorn to do the liner notes.
obviously zorn is aware of japanese culture, but he's notexactly a household
name. oh well. the dvd kicks ass, and the zorn stuff was the icing on the
cake.
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 07:33:39 +0200
From: Anders Fransson <anders.fransson@bibl.oru.se>
Subject: Bailey
Is Derek Bailey really a Stalinist????
- --=20
Anders
_________________________________________________________________________=
____
Anders Fransson, universitetsbiblioteket, =D6rebro universitet,
701 82 =D6rebro, Sweden.
e-mail. anders.fransson@bibl.oru.se
Phone. +46 19 30 38 66
Fax. +46 19 30 38 55
_________________________________________________________________________=
____
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:20:58 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Shaking Ray Levis/D. Bailey/Zorn Sample
Someone mentioned two guys who were playing with Bailey for the SE US
shows - that would be the Shaking Ray Levis (Dennis Palmer + Bob Stagner)
who are an improv duo from Chatanooga, Tennessee. They have a few albums
out; 2 of them are on Incus and one of those has steve Beresford and John
Turner, I think, with them. I actually haven't heard these so if anyone
has any reviews, I would appreciate that.
One recording of them I do have is from a compilation of live stuff from
the Ice Cream (or Eye Scream) Festival which was in Atlanta 2 yrs. ago.
The one they do has a sample of Steve Beresford's "All My Fibers" from his
Avant CD, Signals for Tea, with Zorn/Douglas/Wollesen/Cohen. I was
surprised to hear that one, although it makes sense considering their
association of course.
That CD also has the Gold Sparkle Band (great jazz 4tet from Atlanta but
now relocated to New York), Eugene Chadbourne (doing Morricone's "Magic
and Ecstasy"), Davey Williams + LaDonna Smith, a two bands with people
names- Charlie Parker ans William Carlos Williams (sounding like something
by the Mothers on "Weasels Ripped My Flesh". I would recommend this b/c
its only $6 ppd. and its all good to excellent. The label is Old Gold of
Atlanta. If anyone wants the address I can get it (not w/ me now). Also
its a ltd. edn. of 500, but mine was only 176 so their not going too fast.
Not employed by them,
WY
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:31:00 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Dion McGregor!!
I've been forgetting about this - I've had a chance to hear this and play
it for people and I know someone on the list asked about it. This is on
Tzadik, Dion McGregor dreamed out loud, really, and this CD has 20 of
about 500 dreams they have on tape. 70 + minutes. Some of it I have to
say is really good for 1 or 2 listens - maybe half of it - but parts of it
are priceless (or at least worth the price of a CD) and pretty filthy.
There's a certain one having to do with food items that especially takes
the cake. Plus, the liner notes are good and lots of people were
involved/thanked - Ellery Eskelin, Jad Fair, Peter Blegvad (who did the
cover), Thinking Fellers Union, and some others. So, I'd say its
worthwhile despite being a little disappointng, if that makes sense.
Speaking of the Lunatic Fringe series, has anyone heard that
'Self-Indulgent Music' CD that came out last Spring??
WY
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