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Zorn List Digest        Monday, March 22 1999        Volume 02 : Number 629



In this issue:
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       Re: new Matchless
       Gig on Tuesday
       Re: Question about publication (somewhat Zorn-related)
       Mnemonists
       Forced Exposure
       Re: Mnemonists
       Re: Forced Exposure
       Re: Forced Exposure
       Re: new Matchless
       Immense Zorn Content =]
       Fred Frith, Groningen 21/3
       bailey bootleg?
       Re: Jerry Reed
       Re: Jerry Reed
       Re: Immense Zorn Content =]
       Re: bailey bootleg?
       Re: Jerry Reed
       Re[2]: bailey bootleg?
       Re: Jerry Reed
       Re: Jerry Reed

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:26:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new Matchless

More nit-picking, but it's "Keith" not "Kieth"

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:06:34 -0500
From: fretless6 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Gig on Tuesday

I thought I'd let you know of a couple of interesting gigs coming up
over the next 10 days:
Tuesday March 23rd and next Tuesday March 30th
at Baby Jupiter in NYC at 170 Orchard St. corner of Stanton,
9:30 PM

"Garden of Eden"

This band includes:

Num Amun-tehu-percussion
Lance Carter-drums
David C Gross-6 string fretless bass/electronics/loops
Jef Lee Johnson-guitar
Toby Kasavan-keys
Rob Reddy-reeds
Josh Roseman-trombone

"get that funk outta my face"





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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:35:31 +1100
From: Peter Hollo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Question about publication (somewhat Zorn-related)

Hrvatski is the guy who runs Reckankreutzungsklankewerkseuge records, in
Cambridge Mass. He records under that name too although his real name is
Keith Whitman I believe. The music is mad fast drum'n'bass/jungle
mostly, with some slower beats, very experimental musique-concrete type
stuff going on over it. Well worth checking out if you're into that sort
of thing.
They have a vinyl-only compilation called Attention: Cats out, about a
year old, and there's a 7" by Blitter (who may be Keith's brother...)
Also Blitter & Hrvatski have a track on the great experimental
electronic compilation "Blip, Bleep" on Lucky Kitchen, and Hrvatski
features on various other interesting comps on labels/entities like
Diskono (from Edinburgh) and V/VM (from Manchester).

Hrvatski used to play in an early version of Prelapse (featured on the
Music for Children CD) so he tells me. He's eminently qualified to
review both the experimental electronic stuff they stock and the
Zorn-related stuff.

Peter.
- --
Peter Hollo  [e-mail]  http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html
              FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet
                       http://www.fourplay.com.au
                     Raven: experimental electronic
                 http://www.fourplay.com.au/sound.html
"Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and
your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag.

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:41:38 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Mnemonists

Does anyone know anything about this band? It seems impossible to find
information about them. I know they no longer exist. Their albume Horde is
very scary and visual. Recommended listening with headphones in complete
darkness. I'm not sure if they have any other albumes. They sound like a
hidden legend to me. Anyone?

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 21:56:05 -0800
From: Zorn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Forced Exposure

How prompt are FE in sending an order?


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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 23:01:35 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Mnemonists

In a message dated 3/21/99 10:52:45 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Does anyone know anything about this band? It seems impossible to find
information about them. I know they no longer exist. Their albume Horde is
very scary and visual. Recommended listening with headphones in complete
darkness. I'm not sure if they have any other albumes. They sound like a
hidden legend to me. Anyone? >>

I believe they were an artist's collective (primarily visual) based in Fort
Collins, CO. many of the same personnel later became Biota, another ReR band
with a fairly similar sound, who are well worth investigating if you're a fan
of Horde. I'm not sure if they're still around or not; I think their last
album was four or five years ago.

Jon

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 23:04:12 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Forced Exposure

In a message dated 3/21/99 10:55:15 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< How prompt are FE in sending an order? >>

I ordered something from them on a Saturday a few weeks ago. It was shipped
via UPS on Monday and delivered on Wednesday.

Jon

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 01:29:29 -0600
From: Craig Rath <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Forced Exposure

At 09:56 PM 3/21/99 -0800, you wrote:
>How prompt are FE in sending an order?
>

Your mileage may vary, but in my case I submitted an order back in November
and I haven't ever received anything, despite several attempts to find out
what happened (no response ever).



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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:48:19 +0100
From: Martin Schmitz-Ohrndorf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new Matchless

Tom Pratt wrote:

> Does anyone know anything about Jeffrey Morgan?

As far as I know Jeffrey is living in Cologne for quite a while now. I
think I remember that he is from Seattle. He has been working in the improv
field for many years and it's nice that he finally reaches some
recognition. His work is really fine. Maybe you should check Georg Graewes
Random Acoustics Label for more.

Martin


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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:54:58 +1030
From: "BLA BLA BLA" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Immense Zorn Content =]

Hi does anyone know if John Zorn has an email address he can be contacted on
for interviews and contributions?...

or should I just contact Tzadik?

.diz.




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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:41:59 +0200
From: "J.T. de Boer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fred Frith, Groningen 21/3

Yesterday I had the pleasure to welcome Fred Frith at the
USVA-Theatre in Groningen, The Netherlands, where he did a
solo-performance. And what can I say?: it was just stunning! Two sets
of around 45 minutes, consisting of pure, beautiful, painful,
emotional guitarplaying (I didn't know uncooked rice could make such
beautiful sounds when thrown in a little brass-made kettle,that was
placed on his strings and element).

He's in Holland at the moment to rehearse and perform his new piece
that's commisioned by the ASKO-Ensemble. For you living in Holland
and nearby countries: one of the shows will be broadcasted on dutch
national radio. Don't know the date yet...

Looking forward to Moers.

Thanks,

Jeroen de Boer


Jeroen de Boer
music director USVA Theatre/Open Electronic Festival
Munnekeholm 10
9711 JA Groningen, The Netherlands
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:49:48 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: bailey bootleg?

I was supposed to review Bailey/Stevens/Watts 'Dynamics Of The
Impromptu' (Entropy Stereo) for the magazine Signal To Noise so when Jon
Abbey posted about the rumor of it being a bootleg, I asked the
publisher what to do. He forwarded me this note from Mike Khoury of
Entropy Stereo:

Hi Pete,

Thanks for the update.  I'm glad you're asking me about this issue
instead of believng the grapevine.  If Kaiser says it's a bootleg,
then he's guilty of contributing to it by directly ordering it from me!

The record is *not* a bootleg.  Trevor Watts owns the tapes and sold
me permission to release them.  If there is any dispute about this,
its between Watts and Bailey.  Seems like Bailey's camp was upset
about it.  I did send him quite a few copies.  When these tapes were
recorded, Bailey, Martin Davidson, and Stevens thought that they were
not that interesting and told Trevor he could do what he wanted with
them.  Trevor held on to them for many years, and contacted me about
releasing them recently.  Now everyone seems to think that they're
great, or else they wouldn't be upset about it.

Usually, these disputes are about money.  I have a long way to go
before I break even on this project.  If I do break even, Bailey will
be the first one to get any money beyond my break even point.  If you
or any of your reviewers feel that it would compromise journalistic
integrity to review it, then by all means, don't compromise!  Don't
feel obligated to review it or even run the ad if you feel it will
bring ill will to your magazine.  This is not my goal at all.

Thanks for your offer to run the ad agian with the reviews.  I
appreciate your candor and your willingness to look into matters.  So
many people just pass this over.  Please feel free to contact me if
you have any other questions about this.

Mike

                                -Tom Pratt


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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:26:17 -0800 (PST)
From: sonny shine <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jerry Reed

Jerry Reed Rox! yes. he played cletus snow alias snowman on smokey and
the bandit.


- --- Chris Genzel <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Re: Jerry Reed. He was a country singer/songwriter
> of the 1960s and
> > 1970s, whose style mixed rockabilly and novelty
> tunes. His big hits were
> > "Amos Moses" and "When You're Hot, You're Hot". He
> recorded for RCA. The
> > cavets I cited above for Roger Williams work for
> him as well.
>
>  Is this the Jerry Reed who acted in "Smokey and the
> Bandit" and performed
>  various songs on its soundtrack?
>
>  Kind regards,
>  - Chris.
>
>  ----------------------------------------------------
>  Chris Genzel -- [e-mail]
>  ----------------------------------------------------
>  Discographies of
>  Herbie Hancock, Michael Beinhorn & Bennie Maupin at:
>  http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/
>  ----------------------------------------------------
>
>
> -
>
>

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:54:29 -0500 (EST)
From: alissa bader <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jerry Reed

he was also on scooby doo.

and his birthday was on saturday. (don't ask me how I know this)

so, what's the deal with zorn and reed here anyway?  does one admire the
other's music, or vice versa? (yeah, it's been what, 4 days already, and I
can't figure this out?)  i personally think it would be a scream if
one of 'em did a cover version of the other's work.

- --alissa
[e-mail]

On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, sonny shine wrote:

> Jerry Reed Rox! yes. he played cletus snow alias snowman on smokey and
> the bandit.
>
>
> --- Chris Genzel <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > > Re: Jerry Reed. He was a country singer/songwriter
> > of the 1960s and
> > > 1970s, whose style mixed rockabilly and novelty
> > tunes. His big hits were
> > > "Amos Moses" and "When You're Hot, You're Hot". He
> > recorded for RCA. The
> > > cavets I cited above for Roger Williams work for
> > him as well.
> >
> >  Is this the Jerry Reed who acted in "Smokey and the
> > Bandit" and performed
> >  various songs on its soundtrack?
> >
> >  Kind regards,
> >  - Chris.
> >
> >  ----------------------------------------------------
> >  Chris Genzel -- [e-mail]
> >  ----------------------------------------------------
> >  Discographies of
> >  Herbie Hancock, Michael Beinhorn & Bennie Maupin at:
> >  http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/
> >  ----------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > -
> >
> >
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
> -
>
>


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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:07:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeni Dahmus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Immense Zorn Content =]

On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, BLA BLA BLA wrote:
> Hi does anyone know if John Zorn has an email address he can be contacted on
> for interviews and contributions?...
>
> or should I just contact Tzadik?
>
> .diz.

Zorn does not even use a computer.  When I had the pleasure of
interviewing him last week, I asked him what he thought about the
zorn-list.  He was not familiar with listservs at all, but was pleased
to hear that he has one of his own.

You should probably just contact Tzadik.

Jeni



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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:58:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: bailey bootleg?

So who is winning the award for more difficult person? Henry Kaiser or
Derek Bailey?

From what I understand about Bailey's modus operendi (relations with Evan
Parker; Stalinist stand on "pure improvisation" etc; willingness to play
wioth anyone, regardless of talent; his silly Invisible Jukebox in The
Wire) I figure it's Bailey.

BTW, Dynamics of the Impromtu is an excellent CD, especially because
Stevens and Watts are there to rein in and play off Bailey. If you like
any (all) of those guys , get it. Like Josef S., respect Derek B. for his
contributions, but don't let him rewrite history to fit his singular view
of it.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:03:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jerry Reed

More of a scream if Reed did a cover of Zorn. But then again, there may
be a connection we're all missing. Mark Feldman was a Nashville studio
player before moving to NYC. Maybe he can get Reed & Zorn together. The duet
could be like one of those CBS country concept albums, like the one with
Wilie Nelson and Merle Haggard. Wasn't that called "Lefty and Poncho" ?

From what has been written here, maybe the Zorn/Reed duo could be called:
"Blinder and Schicker".

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]




On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, alissa bader wrote:

>
> he was also on scooby doo.
>
> and his birthday was on saturday. (don't ask me how I know this)
>
> so, what's the deal with zorn and reed here anyway?  does one admire the
> other's music, or vice versa? (yeah, it's been what, 4 days already, and I
> can't figure this out?)  i personally think it would be a scream if
> one of 'em did a cover version of the other's work.
>
> --alissa
> [e-mail]
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, sonny shine wrote:
>
> > Jerry Reed Rox! yes. he played cletus snow alias snowman on smokey and
> > the bandit.
> >
> >
> > --- Chris Genzel <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Re: Jerry Reed. He was a country singer/songwriter
> > > of the 1960s and
> > > > 1970s, whose style mixed rockabilly and novelty
> > > tunes. His big hits were
> > > > "Amos Moses" and "When You're Hot, You're Hot". He
> > > recorded for RCA. The
> > > > cavets I cited above for Roger Williams work for
> > > him as well.
> > >
> > >  Is this the Jerry Reed who acted in "Smokey and the
> > > Bandit" and performed
> > >  various songs on its soundtrack?
> > >
> > >  Kind regards,
> > >  - Chris.
> > >
> > >  ----------------------------------------------------
> > >  Chris Genzel -- [e-mail]
> > >  ----------------------------------------------------
> > >  Discographies of
> > >  Herbie Hancock, Michael Beinhorn & Bennie Maupin at:
> > >  http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/
> > >  ----------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > -
> >
> >
>
>
> -
>
>

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 99 11:22:39 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re[2]: bailey bootleg?

Ken wrote:

>From what I understand about Bailey's modus operendi (relations with Evan
>Parker; Stalinist stand on "pure improvisation" etc;

Um, from the point of view of rigor, I take it, not on his taking action
to murder non-improvisers? Not sure if "Stalinist" is the appropriate term
here. Calvinist, perhaps? ;-)

>willingness to play with anyone, regardless of talent;

Here, I'm with you and, as I think I might've stated before I have a pet
theory that DB, when playing with mediocre talent, simply uses their sound
in a Cagean sense, as environmental noise to play off of.

>his silly Invisible Jukebox in The Wire) I figure it's Bailey.

Did you really think it was silly? Aside from his sarcastic praise of
everything they played for him, I thought he made a number of fascinating,
if extreme, arguments vis a vis the recording process, listening to
records (again and again) and the idea of the listener having as intense
an experience as the player. He strikes me as one of the few musicians who
has both thought of and verbalized in an intelligent manner some troubling
philosophical problems inherent in the music business. Not that I agree
with everything he says, but it's nice to hear someone worrying about such
matters.

Brian Olewnick

NP: Lande/Miller        World Without Cars
NR: Murakami            South of the Border




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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:45:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Martens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jerry Reed

- ---Ken Waxman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> More of a scream if Reed did a cover of Zorn. But then again, there
may
> be a connection we're all missing. Mark Feldman was a Nashville
studio
> player before moving to NYC. Maybe he can get Reed & Zorn together.
The duet
> could be like one of those CBS country concept albums, like the one
with
> Wilie Nelson and Merle Haggard. Wasn't that called "Lefty and
Poncho" ?

Totally irrelevant, but I thought it was Willie Nelson & Waylon
Jennings (tho' I'm pretty sure "Poncho & Lefty" is a Merle Haggard
song).

Eric
_________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:51:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jerry Reed

I'll try to check the basement where I store all the old C&W LPs, but
remember Nelson did awhole bunch of these duets, including one with
Haggard, one with Ray Price, and probably one with Jennings.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]


On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Eric Martens wrot
>
> ---Ken Waxman <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > More of a scream if Reed did a cover of Zorn. But then again, there
> may be a connection we're all missing. Mark Feldman was a Nashville
> studio player before moving to NYC. Maybe he can get Reed & Zorn together.
> The duet could be like one of those CBS country concept albums, like the one
> wit Wilie Nelson and Merle Haggard. Wasn't that called "Lefty and
> Poncho" ?
>
> Totally irrelevant, but I thought it was Willie Nelson & Waylon
> Jennings (tho' I'm pretty sure "Poncho & Lefty" is a Merle Haggard
> song).
>
> Eric
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>

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