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Zorn List Digest        Tuesday, March 23 1999        Volume 02 : Number 630



In this issue:
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       Don Caballero page
       Re: Forced Exposure
       Masada Live In Jerusalem due out April 20th
       Re: Mnemonists
       Arto sings soprano
       columbia concerts
       Jerry Reed/ Radio bands
       Re: Masada Live In Jerusalem due out April 20th
       Re: Mnemonists
       Secret Chiefs 3
       Bailey
       Re: Bailey
       Re: Bailey
       Re: Bailey
       Cobra availability
       Cobra availability
       Re: Bailey
       Re: Bailey/Parker/Lungs
       Re: Secret Chiefs 3

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:10:05 -0500
From: "Jeff Hobbs" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Don Caballero page

I know this band has been discussed on the list, so I think it's relevant...

Here's some pictures and mp3 tracks from a scorching Don Caballero at the
Middle East club in Cambridge, Massachusetts, March 9th 1999.

Enjoy!

http://ivy.artificial.com/music/doncab/


~Jeff

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:03:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Forced Exposure

In a message dated 3/21/99 10:55:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< How prompt are FE in sending an order? >>

I've never had problems with FE and have usually rx'ed items within 10-14 days
of placing the order.  However, other people have made orders with them and
never heard a thing.  I've not heard of anyone getting ripped off by FE, but I
have heard of people missing out on limited-issue items that they could have
ordered elsewhere.

=dgasque=

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:29:01 -0500
From: Alan Lankin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada Live In Jerusalem due out April 20th

Just saw a listing for this Tzadik release.  Anyone heard this one?

- --
Alan Lankin
[e-mail]
http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz/upcomingcds.html

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:23:31 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mnemonists

At 11:01 PM 3/21/99 EST, [e-mail] wrote:
>
><< Does anyone know anything about this band? It seems impossible to find
>information about them. I know they no longer exist. Their albume Horde is
>very scary and visual. Recommended listening with headphones in complete
>darkness. I'm not sure if they have any other albumes. They sound like a
>hidden legend to me. Anyone? >>
>
>I believe they were an artist's collective (primarily visual) based in Fort
>Collins, CO. many of the same personnel later became Biota, another ReR band
>with a fairly similar sound, who are well worth investigating if you're a fan
>of Horde. I'm not sure if they're still around or not; I think their last
>album was four or five years ago.

Although it's been a while since their last, the latest Wayside catalog
promises a new one soon.  They perform live very occasionally, and all four
of their albums under the name Biota are excellent.  The last Mnemonists
album was actually titled Biota; hence the link in names.

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:22:44 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Arto sings soprano

Hey, I'm sitting here at work watching HBO and there is this show on  I've
never seen before called Sopranos. Suddenly I hear Arto Lindsay singing and
playing guitar. Does anybody know anything more about this? Does he do all the
music for this series?
- -Eric

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:28:19 -0500 (EST)
From: eric <[e-mail]>
Subject: columbia concerts

>
>columbia concerts presents
>an intimate night of experimental music:
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++
>
>christian wolff, piano
>christian marclay, turntables
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++
>
>friday march twenty-sixth    9 pm   five dollars
>@ faculty house, columbia university campus
>tickets at other music or by reservation 854-1125
>[e-mail]
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++
>
>Their collaboration is part of an ongoing series of experimental and
>electronic music at Columbia University.  Also included in this series are
>performances by Ryoji Ikeda, the Climax Golden Twins, the Freight Elevator
>Quartet, and compositions by the Wet Ink Composer's Collective.
>
>
>columbia concerts, wkcr.fm, and experimental intermedia announce two
>performances by
>
>
>*RYOJI IKEDA*
>
>
>friday 4.2.99    ryoji ikeda
>    9:00 pm
>    @ experimental intermedia
>    224 centre st. 3rd floor
>

>saturday 4.3.99    ryoji ikeda + the climax golden twins
>    9:00 pm
>    @ mcintosh center
>    barnard college campus, broadway and 118th st.
>
>admission for each show $5.00
>

>    Experimental Intermedia is located at 224 Centre Street in
>Manhattan.  The Macintosh Student Center is on the Barnard Campus of
>Columbia University at 117th Street and Broadway.  Both concerts start at
>9:00 PM and are $5.00.
>
>For more information or for reservations, please call 854-1125 or e-mail
>[e-mail].




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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:54:29 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jerry Reed/ Radio bands

> so, what's the deal with zorn and reed here anyway?  does one admire the
> other's music, or vice versa? (yeah, it's been what, 4 days already, and I
> can't figure this out?)  i personally think it would be a scream if
> one of 'em did a cover version of the other's work.
>
> - --alissa

I'm on the digest so someone has probably answered this already, but Reed
was one of the people mentioned on the inside of the liner notes to Naked
City's _Radio_ CD.  So, Zorn hasn't done a cover of his stuff but
apparently used it as a reference point for one of the brief snippets in
"American Psycho".

As for the other bands, Septic Death and Siege (that's how they spell it)
were both on a compilation called _Cleanse the Bacteria_, Repulsion I
found on the _Grindcrusher_ comp. on Earache (which also has Naked City's
"Osaka Bondage"), and Roger Williams (pretty schlocky) and Liberace I
found together on a piano compilation on the New World label of all
places.  I guess nobody had a chance to hear it but it was pretty neat to
hear all the refernces and inspirations back to back w/ the Naked City
songs, which stand up better than I thought.  They're not as funky as the
Meters but the metal stuff holds up very well.

Thanks again for the suggestions,

WY


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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:27:10 +0200 (WET)
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada Live In Jerusalem due out April 20th

does anybody know when they were playing in jerusalem???
I`m living in jerusalem for 7 years now, and never heard about Masada
coming to jerusalem. how did I miss them???

On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Alan Lankin wrote:

> Just saw a listing for this Tzadik release.  Anyone heard this one?
>
> --
> Alan Lankin
> [e-mail]
> http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz/upcomingcds.html
>
> -
>
>


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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:45:46 -0500
From: philz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mnemonists

> Does anyone know anything about this band? It seems impossible to find
> information about them. I know they no longer exist. Their albume Horde is
> very scary and visual. Recommended listening with headphones in complete
> darkness. I'm not sure if they have any other albumes. They sound like a
> hidden legend to me. Anyone?

Mnemonists were the name of the band that became Biota, who have
several records (cd's) on Recommended Records.  I like this band a
lot, sort of a trippy jumble of sounds that has a wonderful
intuition.  Under the name Mnemonists they were more industrial
sounding, in an AMM sort of way.  Under the name Biota they've become
more acoustic sounding, and the latest release even has vocals,
though more in the sense that "In heaven everything is fine" pops out
of the soundtrack to Eraserhead...

You can see more information about Biota at the ReR web site,
http://www.panix.com/~zampino/rer/ReR.discog.html

philz


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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:07:03 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Secret Chiefs 3

Recently picked up a CD by the above group titled _Hurqalya_, after hearing
good things about them on another list.  I was somewhat suprised to find a
Zorn tie-in here in the guise of Eyvind Kang on violin and erhu (?), one who
appears to be a regular here rather than a guest.  Also here (and I assume,
the group's "leader") is Trey Spruance- a name i'm familiar with, but can't
remember why...

The music is best described as Muslimgauze meets Morricone, with a healthy
dose of surf thrown into the mix making for a very bizzare fusion, IMO. They
have a few other releases besides this title and i'd like to find out if this
is the usual sound for the group. Anyone else familiar with them?.

now spinning: DJ Spooky- Riddim Warfare

=dgasque=

- -

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:50:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bailey

Hi all,

Picking up on the Waxman-Olewnick thread, I have to say that I've never
been able to get a straight answer on just what went down between Bailey
and Evan Parker. Can anyone fill me in on the acrimony?

And Brian: how is the new Murakami?

Jason Bivins


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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:01:42 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bailey

On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:50:54 -0500 (EST)  Jason Caulfield Bivins wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Picking up on the Waxman-Olewnick thread, I have to say that I've never
> been able to get a straight answer on just what went down between Bailey
> and Evan Parker. Can anyone fill me in on the acrimony?

Nobody really knows. By that I mean that the answers we got were never really
convincing (and if they are, it would mean that Bailey is a very acrimonous
kind of person).

John Shiurba did a great interview of Evan for CADENCE, and he dared to ask
Evan about what happened (many people - including me - discouraged him to
even touch the topic). Surprisingly, Evan answered very nicely and mentioned
some disagreements concerning running Incus (if I remember well). Anyway, it
sounded like any of these disagreements that two strong individualities like
Evan and Derek can have in life on any topics (meaning: look very serious at
first, but something you laugh at it a week after when the passion cooled
down a little bit). The problem is that it never cooled down between Evan
and Derek...

    Patrice.

- -

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:07:34 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Bailey

In a message dated 3/23/99 11:55:02 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< And Brian: how is the new Murakami? >>

I know I'm not Brian, but I did read this. my one-line review is that it's
slight, but very satisfying. anyone know how I can find a copy of the out-of-
print English translation of Norwegian Wood? man, would that make me happy.

Jon

- -

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:22:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bailey

Not wanting to start an argument about something we can never be sure of,
but having re-read that Cadence interview last night, at least from Evan
Parker's point of view, it appears that yes, Derek Bailey *is* a very
acrimonious person.

My understanding of what Parker stated was that he wanted to dissolve his
business partnership with Bailey and be free to release his (Parker's)
masters on whatever label he saw fit. He still wanted to remain friends
(and I guess, still play, with Bailey).

Musicians moving their masters elsewhere is quite common. For instance there
are half a dozen Cannonball Adderley LPs in limbo, because
he took them with him when Riverside when bankrupt, sold them to Capitol
(his then "new" label), which briefly anthologized them, then sat on them
for years. The six briefly appeared on Landmark LPs, run by Adderley
original producer Orrin Keepnews, but then went out of print again. [I
digress, but these were great session, featuring Victor Feldman on a live
date and Cannonball playing bosa nova on another.]

Anyhow, other musicians, including Ray Charles and Herbie Mann have
similiarly dissolved business agreements.

The nub of the Incus matter seemed to be that Bailey felt (and this is my
interpretation) that if Parker wasn't with him, he must be against him
and thus cut off all communication between the two. (Hm, maybe "Stalinist
isn't that far off, Brian). That's the way the situation remains to this day.

In other words, as long as bailey is a director of Incus, Parker can't
re-released some of his earlier sessions like "Topology of The Lungs".
And no Martin & Lewis reunion seems to be in the cards.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]



On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:

>
> On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:50:54 -0500 (EST)  Jason Caulfield Bivins wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Picking up on the Waxman-Olewnick thread, I have to say that I've never
> > been able to get a straight answer on just what went down between Bailey
> > and Evan Parker. Can anyone fill me in on the acrimony?
>
> Nobody really knows. By that I mean that the answers we got were never really
> convincing (and if they are, it would mean that Bailey is a very acrimonous
> kind of person).
>
> John Shiurba did a great interview of Evan for CADENCE, and he dared to ask
> Evan about what happened (many people - including me - discouraged him to
> even touch the topic). Surprisingly, Evan answered very nicely and mentioned
> some disagreements concerning running Incus (if I remember well). Anyway, it
> sounded like any of these disagreements that two strong individualities like
> Evan and Derek can have in life on any topics (meaning: look very serious at
> first, but something you laugh at it a week after when the passion cooled
> down a little bit). The problem is that it never cooled down between Evan
> and Derek...
>
>     Patrice.
>
> -
>
>

- -

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:00:04 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Cobra availability

Can anyone tell me if the 2 cd Cobra is out of print?
I seem to remember seeing 2 versions, one with a yellow cover and one with
a blue?

Also, will a Masada box be offered including 1 through 10 plus the new
Jerusalem live?
Will Jerusalem live be available seperately?

Thanks,

Steven



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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:33:57 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Cobra availability

Can anyone tell me if the 2 cd Cobra is out of print?
I seem to remember seeing 2 versions, one with a yellow cover and one with
a blue?

Also, will a Masada box be offered including 1 through 10 plus the new
Jerusalem live?
Will Jerusalem live be available seperately?

Thanks,

Steven



- -

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:45:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bailey

On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Ken Waxman wrote:

> In other words, as long as bailey is a director of Incus, Parker can't
> re-released some of his earlier sessions like "Topology of The Lungs".
> And no Martin & Lewis reunion seems to be in the cards.

this is straight from the incus website:

Customarily, a record is reprinted once, occasionally twice, and then
allowed to rest in peace. Early ambitions to keep the whole catalogue in
print proved impractical and the prevalent view now is that when, usually
for financial reasons, a choice has to be made between reprinting an old
record and making a new one there is really no choice at all.

Since about 1980, the number of records in print at any one time has
usually been between 25 and 30. The records out of print are divided
between those that might at some time be re-printed (a number of early
LPs have recently been re-issued on CD) and records which Incus will not
be reprinting. In these later cases, the masters, publishing rights, art
work etc. are offered to the artists concerned to do with what they will.

The first recording made for Incus was by the then three directors; Tony
Oxley, Evan Parker and Derek Bailey. It was never issued and the master
tapes have, apparently, disappeared. The record which eventually appeared
as Incus 1 was "Topography of the Lungs," recorded by Evan Parker, Derek
Bailey and Han Bennick on July 13, 1970. The master tapes for this have
also, apparently, disappeared.


- -

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:32:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bailey/Parker/Lungs

Brent, yes we know what Incus says, but it doesn't negate the Bailey-Parker
quarrel. Here is an exchange from that same Cadence interview (September
1996, page 11):

CAD: I've heard that some of the masters, for example Topography of the
Lungs, are lost. Is this true?

E.P.: We can't find the master tape for that one, yeah, but that
wouldn't necessarily be a fundamental; stumbling block for making a nice
sounding record. But I can't do that because of an agreement that I
made with Derek Bailey when I left Incus that I wouldn't do that. I
can't reissue Topography of the Lungs. Well I own the
mas-...(laughs)...well it's actually a little more technical than that. I
can't reissue Topography of the Lungs while Derek Bailey is a director of
Incus.

CAD: So he doesn't want to reissue that particular album?

E.P.: He doesn't want *me* to reissue it. (laughs). There is something
strange about the fact that the master tapes are also missing, but it
doesn't matter.
- --------
I don't want to belabor this, but from this comment and other statements
of Bailey, maybe he fits into Zoot Sims' description of Stan Getz.
"Stan," said Zoot "was a nice bunch of guys."

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:44:36 -0500
From: Diego Gruber <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Secret Chiefs 3

Yes it is, I think SC3 is an awesome band, get First Grand Constitution
and
Bylaws, which is their other "official" album. But find about
other of
their releases (and buy them also) at

http://www.humboldt1.com/~mimicry/


That's Trey's site (btw, you could be familiar with him because of Mr.
Bungle).
>From what I know, there's just a couple of "7s which may not have that particular
sound of SC3. ALso, I think they're releasing a live album this year.

Diego

[e-mail] wrote:

> Recently picked up a CD by the above group titled _Hurqalya_, after hearing
> good things about them on another list.  I was somewhat suprised to find a
> Zorn tie-in here in the guise of Eyvind Kang on violin and erhu (?), one who
> appears to be a regular here rather than a guest.  Also here (and I assume,
> the group's "leader") is Trey Spruance- a name i'm familiar with, but can't
> remember why...
>
> The music is best described as Muslimgauze meets Morricone, with a healthy
> dose of surf thrown into the mix making for a very bizzare fusion, IMO. They
> have a few other releases besides this title and i'd like to find out if this
> is the usual sound for the group. Anyone else familiar with them?.
>
> now spinning: DJ Spooky- Riddim Warfare
>
> =dgasque=
>
> -



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