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Zorn List Digest       Saturday, March 20 1999       Volume 02 : Number 627



In this issue:
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       Re: Jojo Mayer
       RE: WAYNE ON NPR
       Re: millers higher life
       Re: Primus/Tom Waits /Jack Keroac/Buckethead/Bootsy
       Re: Mitchell, ECM, Lytton/Wachsmann
       Another sophmoric poll
       LP -> CDR
       Re: I apologize (Instructions for Life)
       Re: Jerry Reed
       Re: Jerry Reed
       Eyvind Kang
       Re: Jerry Reed
       just outta curioosity...
       RE: just outta curioosity...
       seattle area soon...
       Re: just outta curioosity...
       Re: just outta curioosity...
       RE: just outta curioosity...
       Dave Douglas Quartet...
       Scores?
       RE: just outta curioosity...
       Re: just outta curioosity...
       Re: Dave Douglas Quartet...

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:22:38 +0000
From: nils <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jojo Mayer

> I was wondering if anyone on the list had any info on Mr. Mayer.

Mayer plays on the self-titled Screaming Headless
Torsos album.  Highly recommended.

- -Nils

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:14:24 -0800
From: "Toby Dodds" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: WAYNE ON NPR

I am real dissapointed that my last post took 5 days to post.  Anyway the
interview was last Sunday.  Bye!
Toby


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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:08:19 -0800
From: Gene Natalia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: millers higher life

>track one is by millers higher life, written by
>t. spruance. can anyone give me any info on the project? only heard the track
>once, since my cdplayer is often on the fritz. just curious to know if this
>project has resulted in anything else.

Well, if you didn't notice, the entire track by Spruance on Indiscdreet
Stereo Test Record is pretty much used in the Mr. Bungle song, Merry Go Bye
Bye, which is on Disco Volante.  So that is what the Millers Higher Life
project resulted in.  Trey hasn't done anything else under that moniker,
but he has done plenty of other things under plenty of other names.
There's his Secret Chiefs 3, Faxed Head, and apparently a new band called
FORMS, as well as other side projects and guest appearances.

                            -Ethan Danberry


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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:01:15 +1030
From: "BLA BLA BLA" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Primus/Tom Waits /Jack Keroac/Buckethead/Bootsy

>Tom Waits' first album on Epitaph Records, 'Mule Variations', is set
>to hit the streets on April 27 and features all three members of


is this the same Epitaph Records that releases all those crappy pop-punk
bands like NOFX ? =|

hmmm, or mebe i'm a little confused here....




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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:31:29 -0600
From: "John Thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mitchell, ECM, Lytton/Wachsmann

>>From: [e-mail]
>>Subject: Re: Roscoe's 'Nine To Get Ready'
>>
>>In a message dated 3/17/99 11:08:12 AM, [e-mail]
> writes:
>>
>> << Kudos to ECM for continuing to come up with the
>>     (very) occasional rough-edged gem.  >>
>>
>>but I'd like to chime in with congrats to ECM, a label which I typically
have
>>very little tolerance for, for the Wachsmann/Lytton record they just put
out.
>>very highly recommended. it's good to hear these two get a chance to
stretch
>>out a bit on their own, after so many records in the shadows as sidemen.

I'd like to further praise these records Brian and Jon have mentioned.
I think _Nine to Get Ready_ is the strongest record Mitchell has done in
a long time, for me, as good as the Black Saint with "Stop Wastin' My Time"
or the Cecmas. On the other hand, the solo _Sound Songs_ does have its
moments too. I see in the Roscoe Mitchell bin at Tower there is also a
new Delmark with Reggie Workman in the _Hey Donald_ group instead
(I am not a big fan of _Hey Donald_ though...too much of a mismatch
in the players). One of the biggest reasons I like Nine is again, as Brian
indicated, the combination of George Lewis, Hugh Ragin, and Mitchell
and the compositions.

The new Lytton/Wachsmann is particularly fascinating to me for
the focus on these players. Some pieces seem to be (at least on
initial listens) kind of throwaway and just pure experimentation
but others really do gel into something substantial, musically.
For my money, much more interesting than _Toward the Margins_.

I'd also say the Maneri duets disc on ECM, _Blessed_ is worth having
if you like their previous outings. I wish there was a bit more clarinet
on this one (as I had hoped with previous recordings!) but many of the
duets are quite beautiful.

Anybody heard the new ECM with Barry Guy and Maya Homburger?

John


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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:53:27 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: Another sophmoric poll

Zornlist Greatest Improvisor of the 20th Century Poll

For what it's worth.

List your top five choices, numbered 1-5. No.1=5 points; No. 2=4
points;etc. Denote ties thusly:
1. Buddy Bolden
2. Blind Willie Johnson
2. Eye
4. Chuck Mangione
5. Eddie Hazel

Multiple listings of the same player on the same post will be
disregarded. Ballots of less than five musicians are welcomed. Vote
once. Void where prohibited.

The poll itself should be minimal burden to the list. I will post two
brief reminders before the 11:59 p.m. PST April 3 deadline. I will then
post the results, with scores. I don't know about you, but I sometimes
make a distinction between "greatest" and "favorite."

Please include the word "poll" in the subject line of your ballot. Post
to:

[e-mail]

So many names pass through this list -- I'm grateful for the exposure
and insight and descriptions, but wonder when it comes down to the
nitty gritty, who the list thinks really rules as an IMPROVISER (at
least those who would respond to such an exercise). And it is 1999.

NP: Roscoe Mitchell, Nine to Get Ready. I couldn't resist any longer --
I was going to go out and buy this today when finally a promo copy
arrived in the mail box. Ditto everything that's been said 'bout it --
you gotta go back to Snurdy McGurdy to find such a delightful Roscoe
release, George Lewis is divine (wish there was more of him, in general
and on this disc), etc. Best new thing I've heard in a while, since I'm
in a ranking mood.

Peace.

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:51:36 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: LP -> CDR

not to fan any embers, but i came across
this link and thought it might be of interest...

homepages.nildram.co.uk/~abcomp/lp-cdr.htm

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:06:40 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: I apologize (Instructions for Life)

> Yes, this list is a list of adults.

hmmm...

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:20:11 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Jerry Reed

> Re: Jerry Reed. He was a country singer/songwriter of the 1960s and
> 1970s, whose style mixed rockabilly and novelty tunes. His big hits were
> "Amos Moses" and "When You're Hot, You're Hot". He recorded for RCA. The
> cavets I cited above for Roger Williams work for him as well.

 Is this the Jerry Reed who acted in "Smokey and the Bandit" and performed
 various songs on its soundtrack?

 Kind regards,
 - Chris.

 ----------------------------------------------------
 Chris Genzel -- [e-mail]
 ----------------------------------------------------
 Discographies of
 Herbie Hancock, Michael Beinhorn & Bennie Maupin at:
 http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/
 ----------------------------------------------------


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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:26:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jerry Reed

Yes, 'fraid so. Coulda been worse, Zorn coulda been enamoured with Burt
Reynolds and/or Clint Eastwood. But then again, Clint and Burt are more
mainstream jazz fanciers then country pickers.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]



On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Chris Genzel wrote:

>
> > Re: Jerry Reed. He was a country singer/songwriter of the 1960s and
> > 1970s, whose style mixed rockabilly and novelty tunes. His big hits were
> > "Amos Moses" and "When You're Hot, You're Hot". He recorded for RCA. The
> > cavets I cited above for Roger Williams work for him as well.
>
>  Is this the Jerry Reed who acted in "Smokey and the Bandit" and performed
>  various songs on its soundtrack?
>

>

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:36:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Eyvind Kang

Hello all:

I just picked up Eyvind Kang's "theater of mineral NADEs" on Tzadik --(hey,
it was on sale for $10.99 [Canadian]) -- and have to admit it wasn't what I
expected. For my free jazz tempered ears it sounds pretty M-O-R,
sort of like some of Moondog's stuff on Columbia. To be honest I figure
there's about 10 minutes of really challenging music in its 44. Oh well,
I can always use it as background music.

Anyone else have an opinion on "theater of ..." and/or Kang's music in
general.

Nationalist note: according to the most recent CODA, Kang is Canadian born.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:43:52 -0500 (EST)
From: alissa bader <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jerry Reed

oh, way cool.

I alwyas think it's great when someone who's kind of highbrow admits to
liking something way lowbrow.

it's kind of...cross cultural.  yeah...


- --alissa

(who will always regret not buying, or even shoplifting, that "boxcar
willie sings love songs" cassette I saw at the target somewhere in iowa 8
years ago)


On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Ken Waxman wrote:

> Yes, 'fraid so. Coulda been worse, Zorn coulda been enamoured with Burt
> Reynolds and/or Clint Eastwood. But then again, Clint and Burt are more
> mainstream jazz fanciers then country pickers.
>
> Ken Waxman
> [e-mail]
>
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Chris Genzel wrote:
>
> >
> > > Re: Jerry Reed. He was a country singer/songwriter of the 1960s and
> > > 1970s, whose style mixed rockabilly and novelty tunes. His big hits were
> > > "Amos Moses" and "When You're Hot, You're Hot". He recorded for RCA. The
> > > cavets I cited above for Roger Williams work for him as well.
> >
> >  Is this the Jerry Reed who acted in "Smokey and the Bandit" and performed
> >  various songs on its soundtrack?
> >
>
> >
>
> -
>
>


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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:12:15 -0500
From: "wetboy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: just outta curioosity...

...y is zorn liking country music some1 highbrow enjoying something lowbrow?
is jazz highbrow and country lowbrow? says who? i can think of plenty of
jazzers that suck ass and plenty of country pickers that kick ass.


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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:21:05 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: just outta curioosity...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of wetboy
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 2:12 PM

> ...y is zorn liking country music some1 highbrow enjoying
> something lowbrow?
> is jazz highbrow and country lowbrow? says who? i can think of plenty of
> jazzers that suck ass and plenty of country pickers that kick ass.

And why is sucking ass lowbrow and kicking ass highbrow? =)

ObZorn: that Maryanne Amacher CD on Tzadik freaks my dog out. (BTW, does
anyone know what "the right volume" is for playing the disc?)

Later,
Ben

http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406



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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:28:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Joshua A Miller <[e-mail]>
Subject: seattle area soon...

 I'll be traveling up to the seattle area, also around to places like
portland and wherever else we think we'll be able to go, for a few days
about the last week of march/first week of april. anybody out there
know about any good shows that'll be happening around then, or could
suggest good record stores and used book stores? if you could please email
me privately, i would be most grateful.
thanks a lot
josh

- --
Joshua A Miller
[e-mail]


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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:57:14 -0600
From: Craig Rath <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: just outta curioosity...

At 05:12 PM 3/19/99 -0500, "wetboy" wrote:
>...y is zorn liking country music some1 highbrow enjoying something lowbrow?
>is jazz highbrow and country lowbrow? says who? i can think of plenty of
>jazzers that suck ass and plenty of country pickers that kick ass.

I can't speak for the original poster, but I don't think the issue is
country vs. jazz, I think it's more good music vs. Jerry Reed in
particular.  The one time I was unfortunate enough to have to see him (with
a tour group at Calgary Stampede several years ago) he was so drunk he
could hardly stand.  Which didn't add anything to the awful sounds he was
making.  That's what I would consider low-brow.



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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:45:08 -0500
From: "wetboy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: just outta curioosity...

- -----Original Message-----
From: Craig Rath <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: just outta curioosity...


>At 05:12 PM 3/19/99 -0500, "wetboy" wrote:
>>...y is zorn liking country music some1 highbrow enjoying something
lowbrow?
>>is jazz highbrow and country lowbrow? says who? i can think of plenty of
>>jazzers that suck ass and plenty of country pickers that kick ass.
>
>I can't speak for the original poster, but I don't think the issue is
>country vs. jazz, I think it's more good music vs. Jerry Reed in
>particular.  The one time I was unfortunate enough to have to see him (with
>a tour group at Calgary Stampede several years ago) he was so drunk he
>could hardly stand.  Which didn't add anything to the awful sounds he was
>making.  That's what I would consider low-brow.
>
i c what u mean. that doesn't sound lowbrow, that sounds unprofessional. i
think i get yr meaning tho. the original post sounded like a flippant
dismissal of the entire genre of country music. kinda irritated me. country
is what i listen 2 the least (mostly due 2 my ignorance of the style) but i
have found some players r extremely talented. i would hate 2 think that we r
breeding "jazz snobs" (naked city reference. ya like it?) because most of us
have tastes that have grown beyond what many consider "normal". if i
misunderstood the original post, mea culpa mea culpa mea maxima culpa.


- -

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:03:32 -0800
From: "Scurry, Les" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: just outta curioosity...

>At 05:12 PM 3/19/99 -0500, "wetboy" wrote:
>>...y is zorn liking country music some1 highbrow enjoying something
lowbrow?
>>is jazz highbrow and country lowbrow? says who? i can think of plenty of
>>jazzers that suck ass and plenty of country pickers that kick ass.
>
>I can't speak for the original poster, but I don't think the issue is
>country vs. jazz, I think it's more good music vs. Jerry Reed in
>particular.  The one time I was unfortunate enough to have to see him (with
>a tour group at Calgary Stampede several years ago) he was so drunk he
>could hardly stand.  Which didn't add anything to the awful sounds he was
>making.  That's what I would consider low-brow.
>

    Personally, I think that sounds like entertainment at its finest.

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:29:17 -0800
From: cd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dave Douglas Quartet...

...featuring Mark Turner-tenor saxophone, James Genus-bass and Ben
Perowsky-drums.  I'm a big fan of DD's work with Zorn and with his Tiny
Bell Trio, but I am not familiar with these players.  Any
comments/reviews before I pay $25 for tickets?

Thanks,

- -cd

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:11:05 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Scores?

I remember some talk a bit ago on the list that some company was going to do
Zorn's scores.
did this happen yet?
and is there any where else(if it hasnt)i can get some scores(piano mostly)

hell, what are some other Zornish composers(that i can get piano music for)

rodrigo

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:05:42 -0500 (EST)
From: alissa bader <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: just outta curioosity...

On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Scurry, Les wrote:

>     Personally, I think that sounds like entertainment at its finest.

me too.  where can I get tickets?

seriously, though, okay, yes there are certainly very talented country
pickers,and very, very bad jazz players.  (I mean, I've heard some rotten
ones in my time).  However, okay, I think perhaps a fair analogy here
would be like:

jerry reed : hank williams or george jones :: kenny g : charles mingus or
ornette coleman

does this make any sense?  i hope it does.  nah, maybe it doesn't matter,
I'm kind of trashed at the moment.  still, I felt I should add my 2 cents
on the matter.

- --alissa

[e-mail]


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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:45:40 -0500
From: "wetboy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: just outta curioosity...

yes when u put it like that it makes perfect sense.
"i can c clearly now the rain is gone..."

- -----Original Message-----
From: alissa bader <[e-mail]>
To: Scurry, Les <[e-mail]>
Cc: '[e-mail]' <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 11:07 PM
Subject: RE: just outta curioosity...


>
>On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Scurry, Les wrote:
>
>> Personally, I think that sounds like entertainment at its finest.
>
>me too.  where can I get tickets?
>
>seriously, though, okay, yes there are certainly very talented country
>pickers,and very, very bad jazz players.  (I mean, I've heard some rotten
>ones in my time).  However, okay, I think perhaps a fair analogy here
>would be like:
>
>jerry reed : hank williams or george jones :: kenny g : charles mingus or
>ornette coleman
>
>does this make any sense?  i hope it does.  nah, maybe it doesn't matter,
>I'm kind of trashed at the moment.  still, I felt I should add my 2 cents
>on the matter.
>
>--alissa
>
>[e-mail]
>
>
>-
>


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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:35:09 +0200
From: "J.T. de Boer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dave Douglas Quartet...

Hi,

Genus played electric bass with the Brecker Bros., but this can't be
compared to the things he does with Douglas. Of course the style they
play is completely different, but just see it as a broad musical
perspective. With Douglas he uses an upright- instead of an electric
bass. Perowsky plays in Lost Tribe (with a.o. Fima Ephron). He's an
excellent drummer with an always funky toach, even when he plays
mainstream jazz. I know Mark Turner only from a live performance of
the actual Dave Douglas Quartet. Just go and see them: they're worth
it!

Jeroen


> ...featuring Mark Turner-tenor saxophone, James Genus-bass and Ben
> Perowsky-drums.  I'm a big fan of DD's work with Zorn and with his Tiny
> Bell Trio, but I am not familiar with these players.  Any
> comments/reviews before I pay $25 for tickets?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -cd
>
> -
>
>
Jeroen de Boer
student Arts & Arts Policy
University of Groningen, The Netherlands
[e-mail]

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