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Zorn List Digest       Thursday, March 18 1999       Volume 02 : Number 626



In this issue:
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       sound insulation?
       tom waits
       CD Sale
       Re: Recent Swag (longish)
       Re: gettin' off topic: how to do it
       Re: Idiot Flesh (plus Iceburn, now)
       Paradigm
       Re: VOG
       WAYNE ON NPR + PONGA
       Jojo Mayer
       Re: o and co (fwd) (was: the Alter Rebbe's Nigun)
       Re: Monk
       Primus/Tom Waits /Jack Keroac/Buckethead/Bootsy
       old wounds?
       Couldn't be more off topic than this !
       Metal Tov
       Re: Recent Swag (longish)
       Re: tom waits
       I apologize (Instructions for Life)
       Re: I apologize (Instructions for Life)
       Re: tom waits
       millers higher life

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:48:32 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: sound insulation?

I know this is pretty off-topic, but I'm not quite sure where to go for
answers about this, and I was hoping someone here could help me out or point
me in the right direction.

here's my problem:

after installing a new stereo a month or two ago, I started getting complaints
from the neighbors for the first time ever. not from people in my building,
mind you, but from people in the adjoining building on the same floor. so,
since there's only one wall of my living room that borders on that building, I
figure I can put up some kind of insulation and then go back to happily
blasting Keiji Haino into the wee hours.

but I know nothing about insulation and I have no idea where to begin my
search. my wall is about 13 feet by 9 feet, if that helps. any info, on or off
list, is much appreciated.

thanks, and sorry for the well off-topic post,
Jon

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:03:50 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: tom waits

the following was gleaned from numerous posts on a waits list over
recent weeks.

Mule Variations has been set back a week to April 27 release. Waits is
playing at SxSW in Austin on Saturday.  A small tour of 5-10 dates has
been mentioned as a possiblity for May. He's scheduled to record a
segment for some cable station, MTV or something, where they talk to
the musician about the stories behind well known songs. Heard one
subject might be Downtwon Train, since Rod Stewart recorded it. Ug.
Early reviews of the album I've seen make it sound like the lyrics are
happening, the music sort of follows territory he's already laid out.
ZORN CONTENT: Marc Ribot, Greg Cohen, Ralph Carney, Charlie Musselwhite
are among the sidemen. He delivered 28 cuts to the record company, 17
are on the disc, some recorded lo-tech, outdoors. Audio clips online
are being promised, as well as "pre-release listening parties'' at
places like Barnes and Noble. The CD will be on Epitaph records, might
want to check their website. Also check:

www.offmind.net/tomwaits/

Martin

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:06:03 -0500
From: Risser Family <[e-mail]>
Subject: CD Sale

If you are interested in any of the following artists, please mail me for a list:

Legendary Jim Ruiz Group, Getaway Cruiser, Bayete, Versus, Air,
Freaky Chakra, Marcy Playground, Bayete and Jabu Khanyile, Thymme Jones,
Lake of Dracula, Ultrababyfat, Pointless Orchestra, Twelve Caesers,
Scooby Doo, Lazy K, Babe the Blue Ox, Across 110th Street OMPS, Gearwhore,
Replikants, Pretty in Pink OMPS, Jewel, No Doubt, Blues Travellers, Dazzling Killmen,
John Zorn, Jan Garbarek, Hafler Trio, Namanax, Luc Ferrari, Robert Fripp,
Sugar Plant, Hundred Sights of Koenji, Uzeda, Bill Horist, Grateful Dead,
Cornelius, Panicsville, Bayete, Wizard of Oz, Take 6, Henry Mancini,
Various - TV Dinner Christmas, Leon Redbone, Helen Merrill, John Zorn,
Various - Hi-Fi Holiday (Starbucks Comp), Moog Cookbook, Meat Beat Manifesto,
Golden Paliminos, Bartok/Boulez, Bartok, Paul Newman, Revolting Cocks,

The list is in Excel 95 or Text format.  Please specify.
Thanks,
Peter

[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:13:59 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Recent Swag (longish)

In a message dated 3/8/99 9:07:09 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< >      John Duncan/Bernhard Gunter  Home, Unspeakable         Trente
Oiseaux

Can you tell what exactly its connection is to Morton Feldman's 'Neither'? I
know it was inspired by a line of Beckett's from 'Neither' but is there any
musical connection as well?  >>

according to the liner notes:

"the music on this CD was inspired by Samuel Beckett's libretto for Morton
Feldman's chamber opera NEITHER. it is constructed as a set of musical
'places', which in their entirety form the topography of a 'landscape' we feel
might be described by the final words of Beckett's text: unspeakable home."

personally, I don't hear any musical connection. it just sounds like another
supersilent Gunter record to me. only Jim O'Rourke can hear the differences
between them.

Jon




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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:26:12 +0200
From: Telly O'Logical <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: gettin' off topic: how to do it

>For crit theory, try the Theory Out Of Bounds list, which just started
a
>discussion of . To subscribe to the TOOB list, email
>[e-mail] with the word "subscribe" (without quotes) in
the
>subject line.  After being offline for a while, the moderator's trying
to
>start a discussion of Jose Gil's Metamorphoses of the Body, and has
>distributed a review and some quotes.

For a knowledgeable, witty article demonstrating that Derrida is a
poseur(by a
former student of his), go to
http://www.nybooks.com/nyrev/WWWarchdisplay.cgi?19980625036F


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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:01:22 +1030
From: "BLA BLA BLA" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Idiot Flesh (plus Iceburn, now)

>Idiot Flesh might have done it, but you might also be thinking of Iceburn-
who
>do a phenomenal rave-up on it, in my opinion (perhaps "rave-up" isn't quite
the
>proper term...). Very King Crimson-y, but looser- reminded me alot of KC's
>"Larks Tongues in Aspic" and "Providence" in particular. Very unlike
anything
>else from them. It's a split CD w/ a group called "Engine Kid" who I've
never
>heard anything else by. Anyone familiar w/ these cats, have any
recommendations?


Yeah, both Engine Kid and Iceburn are post-hardcore bands, those that are
familiar with newschool hardcore, will know that Iceburn's original releases
were on Victory Records. Iceburn then moved onto Revelation (another
hardcore label), before wandering off into whatever it is that they do.
Iceburn play a sort of mellow, post-hardcore with fusion influences ...plus
some wacky sax work...

Engine Kid are a post-hardcore/emo band that errrmmm....hmmm well there
posthardcore almost college guitar band,if you ike that sort of thing.


xNACHTx

Currently Playing : V/A - Lo-Fibre Companion



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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 20:58:56 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Paradigm

There are two recent discs on Paradigm which I don't think can be
missed: Karuna Khyal's 'Alomoni 1985' and Brast Burn's 'Debon'. Both
were very obscure vinyl releases probably made by the same group of
Japanese guys in the 70's. This is just some bizarre rock with strange
vocals, some harmonicas, tapes, and whatever else. There's no drum-kit
but some percussion. Apparently both were listed in Steven Stapleton's
list of crucial records and they really are phenomenal. Seriously. Go
get them.

If anybody knows of anything even remotely like this, let me know.

                    -Tom Pratt


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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:57:09 -0800
From: "Dave Egan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: VOG

From the Loosegroove Records website:  The VOG project is now called
"Ponga", and the CD is to be out April 6th.

- - Dave

- -----Original Message-----
From: pjm <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 11:10 PM
Subject: VOG


>Does anyone know if the live VOG (Horvitz/Skerik/ etc..) cd was ever
>released?  Have they released anything at all?


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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:12:37 -0800
From: "Toby Dodds" <[e-mail]>
Subject: WAYNE ON NPR + PONGA

- -Wayne Horvitz will appear on this weeks Weekend Edition on NPR.  The show,
which
is hosted by Liane Hansen, will feature Zony Mash and will include an
interview
with Wayne.  In Seattle the broadcast time is between 5 and 10 AM this
Sunday
morning.  Unfortunately I don't have the exact time for the piece.  Everyone
else should check with their local NPR affiliate.  If you've never heard
Wayne
speak then you are in for a treat!

- -It's great to hear all the talk of VOG/PONGA, I believe the story is that
the name VOG was trademarked or something like that.  Hence PONGA was put in
place.  The band and the album is all the same.  Amazing stuff!

Cheers,
Toby

UPCOMING ZONY MASH CONCERTS

3/17/99 - Baltic Room, Seattle, WA "acoustic performance"

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Seattle, WA 98145
[e-mail]
www.zonymash.com


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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:55:17 -0800
From: "ADM" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jojo Mayer

I was wondering if anyone on the list had any info on Mr. Mayer.  I saw him
play on the DJ Spooky tour last fall and was floored.  Does anyone know of
any recordings he is playing the same "live jungle" style.  I know he plays
in Nerve and Prohibited Beatz, but I've had ill-luck in any searching I've
done for an album of either of theirs.  Any comments on either of these
bands (or any other thing Jojo has been a part of)?

Thanks,
Aaron


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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:46:50 +1100 (EST)
From: Aaron Chee-Kean Chua <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: o and co (fwd) (was: the Alter Rebbe's Nigun)

just forwarding this bit of info...

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:29:08 +1100
From: Freya & Mark <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
To: Aaron Chee-Kean Chua <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: o and co

Hey Aaron

Can you post the folowing to the Zorn list, i tried but it bounced back
due to me not being a member.  If you could forward this + any response
that would be super.

thanks - mark



Regarding 'The Alter Rebbe' CD on tzadik new jewish series.

A friend passed this on a mail regarding this which was a pleasing mail
to see.   I can fill you in somewhat on the activites of these guys.

Firstly, yes they were both orthodox hasidic students before being
swallowed up in the vast depths of underground arts.  The photo is them.

Phlegm is a band from Sydney that is currently in hiatus whilst other
activities abound. Phlegm is Oren Ambarchi - git/voc, Robbie Aveniam
(drum/sample)  and Nick Kamivisis (?).  They have released 3 cd's 'Mr
Hoo Ha', 'Live-unauthorised' and 'Poppin and Milkin'.  The first is
kinda of a dense assortment of ideas.  Defintely Zorn/N.City influence,
but with lot's of Hendrix/Haino guitarisms and general weirdness etc.
'Live Unauthorised' is a semi-legit boot of their somewhat highly
regarded Phlegm shows in Melbourne/Sydney 94-96.  It's pretty full on
listening, in the red and all that.   'Poppin' is the best in my
opinon.. kind of a cross between African Improv and musique concrete.
Other elements drift through, but these 2 seem to dominate.  This CD
lays the intial bricks for a path that leads to the wreaking havoc
unsued on 'Alter Rebbe'CD.  It also features an amazing vocal duet
between Nick and a bird!

As I said there is not much activity together of late, but individually
things are quite active.  Oren and Nick also play in Menstruation
Sisters who are one of the greatest live bands to don these crusty pubs
passed off as venues we often frequent down here.   It is the sound of
inept monkeys playing the angry youth blues.   They did an amazing
support for Sonic Youth, incorporating a giant gong which had t.moore
foaming (MS got a mention by the lanky one in latest issue of
mainstream/alternative publication 'Juice' as one of the bands of the
90's).   Both Rob and Oren have released solo records - Robbies
'Hanachincho' disc is a continuation of poppin themes with an emphasis
on bombastic percussion.   Oren has just released a ultra limited lp
'Stacte' (on his 'Jerker' label) which is one guitar/one track/one day.
side a is beauty guitar drone flip is cut up electronic frenzy.   Nick
runs the fata label which has released a Menstruation Sisters CD and a
Sportsbra CD.  S-bra are nicks am pop outfit and are simply the greatest
studio only band in Australia.

Rob and Oren often perform 'Cobra' around Australia and have played with
Zorn et al in NY on different occasions and put on the annual 'What is
Music' festival in Melb/Syd each year.

There are plenty of us down here and we're itching and active as the
rest of ye!

So anyway that's a rundown.  I do have a vested interest in all this
gear as i distribute all this and more worldwide.  A copy of dodgy
out-of-date catalogue (mail for recent updates and stay tuned for bumper
web page) is up at

http://www.plasticine.com/spill/

Thanks for Zorn space.   Keen to hear the Amacher disc - has anyone
reports on this??

Mark

synaesthesia


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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:26:58 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Monk

Well, you needn't take this too seriously, as I haven't read the book
myself, but I did hear two good reports (independent of one
another) about DeWilde's book, and both contrasting the musical
insight with the gossipy anecdotal fashion of so much other jazz bio.

Does anyone know if Monk's "Locomotive" has ever been covered by
anybody else?

Sean Wilkie

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 02:16:49 PST
From: "Douglas Clarke" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Primus/Tom Waits /Jack Keroac/Buckethead/Bootsy

Stephen Fruitman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Btw, I understand that his new CD is just about to be released. Anyone
>heard anything yet?

Taken from:

PrimusSucks.Com Newsletter                                Vol. 21  March
17, 1999

Lots of cool stuff on the horizon as far as projects outside of
Primus, and you'll want to be sure to check them all out.
Tom Waits' first album on Epitaph Records, 'Mule Variations', is set
to hit the streets on April 27 and features all three members of
Primus on the track "Big in Japan".  Also, it looks like the long-
awaited Jack Keruoac tribute album from Rykodisc featuring a
collaboration between Primus and Mr. Waits will finally see the
light of day this year.  We'll give you more details as we get them.
Les and Brain also recently participated in an upcoming album from
Buckethead, with Les even producing a few of the tracks.  I've heard
that the album is tentatively titled 'Robots and Monsters' and should
be out this summer.  Bill Laswell did some of the other production
with Oz Fritz engineering, and there may even be an appearance by
Bootsy Collins.  Keep your ear to the ground for that one...

Too much...
- -Doug

Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:38:02 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: old wounds?

sorry if this opens old wounds, but did anyone lose money ordering
that proposed zorn/eye 100 cd set which i assume never appeared?!

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:08:07 -0700
From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Couldn't be more off topic than this !

We're pretty flexible, but not this flexible.

>Instructions For Life
etc.

- --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****


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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:20:58 -0500
From: "Heather and Jeff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Metal Tov

Has Masada ever played the Naked City tune "Metal Tov?"

JK
[e-mail]



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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:06:31 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Recent Swag (longish)

On Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:13:59 EST  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> Can you tell what exactly its connection is to Morton Feldman's 'Neither'? I
> know it was inspired by a line of Beckett's from 'Neither' but is there any
> musical connection as well?  >>

Might be something like this:

    Samuel Beckett wrote a sentence
    Morton Feldman used a sentence from Samuel Beckett
    Morton Feldman wrote a few pppp compositions
    Duncan/Gunter make pppp music
    Duncan/Gunter used a sentence from Beckett

You imagine if Duncan/Gunter and Feldman had been smoking the same brand of
cigarettes (or had two letters in common on their car plaque)?

    Patrice (who loves these overboard comparisons).

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:14:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: tom waits

How does Charlie Musselwhite fit the Zorn content? If you're looking for
white bluesers, Barry Goldberg would probably better fit the bill.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:18:41 EST
From: "James Adrane" <[e-mail]>
Subject: I apologize (Instructions for Life)

I apologize for the message I sent I thought it was cool and
I  that maybe some other people would get a kick out of it.

I'm sorry.
James
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:22:53 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: I apologize (Instructions for Life)

On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:18:41 EST  "James Adrane" wrote:
>
>
> I apologize for the message I sent I thought it was cool and
> I  that maybe some other people would get a kick out of it.

Yes, this list is a list of adults.

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:39:34 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: Re: tom waits

[e-mail] writes:
>From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>

>How does Charlie Musselwhite fit the Zorn content? If you're looking
>for
>white bluesers, Barry Goldberg would probably better fit the bill.

>Ken Waxman
>[e-mail]


Ah, was referring really to the first couple of names on that list,
ribot and cohen esp.

obviously not musselwhite, though it would be a blast to hear those two
shake your wang dang doodle all night long.

martin

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:49:30 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: millers higher life

i'm sure that it's been discussed before, but sometimes i can't get to
everything on this list...so : i got 'indiscreet stereo test record' the other
day (ace lull track on it!). track one is by millers higher life, written by
t. spruance. can anyone give me any info on the project? only heard the track
once, since my cdplayer is often on the fritz. just curious to know if this
project has resulted in anything else. btw - for those interested, mick harris
is due to come to new york soon to record an album for tzadik.

peace,
dave
___________________________________________________________
bill laswell, eraldo bernocchi, mick harris and lori carson discographies at :
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093
___________________________________________________________

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