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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #623
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, March 16 1999 Volume 02 : Number 623
In this issue:
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re:Naked City's Radio
Re: Naked City's Radio
Re: Fred Frith
Re: V. Golia
Re: Fred Frith
Re: Mike Formanek
Klezmer site
Radio
Re: great news for (old) Terry Riley lovers
Re: great news for (old) Terry Riley lovers
Re: Fred Frith/Ribot
Re: Radio
Re: "gypsy music"
Re: Naked City: Radio
VINYL/CD Sale (3.16)
re: "gypsy music"
Re: V. Golia
Douglas' 'Convergence'
Re: Douglas' 'Convergence'
Re: klezmer (festival in Poland)
Re: Warsaw Summer Jazz Days
RE: Warsaw Summer Jazz Days
pay to play?
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:43:48 EST
From: Slntwtchr@aol.com
Subject: re:Naked City's Radio
>Extreme Noise Terror, well, they were a metal/punk band from the 80's played
>with the KLF at the Brit awards back in 89 (i think), they released a new
>album a while ago on Earache called Retro-bution.
they also released two peel sessions, the first with mick harris on drums.
both available on one disc from strange fruit/dutch east indies.
peace,
dave
___________________________________________________________
bill laswell, eraldo bernocchi, mick harris and lori carson discographies at :
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093
___________________________________________________________
- -
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:11:57 EST
From: JSub@aol.com
Subject: Re: Naked City's Radio
> >Terauchi Takeshi (sp?), Septic Death, Hellfire, Abe Schwarz, Repulsion,
> >Akemi and Jagatera, Extreme Noise Terror, Seige, Sam Fuller, Jerry Reed,
> >
> Extreme Noise Terror, well, they were a metal/punk band from the 80's
played
> with the KLF at the Brit awards back in 89 (i think), they released a new
> album a while ago on Earache called Retro-bution.
Heres my 2 cents on few of the artists. Yes Extreme Noise Terror were/are a
punk/metal/hardcore or grindcore band. "Retrobution" was a re-recording of
earlier material from their split with Chaos UK and thie own "Holocaust in
Your Head" and "Phonophobia". As expected the originals are better than the
remakes but are hard to find.
Siege was a boston hardcore band that has 1 cd available on Relapse call "Drop
Dead". It is an 8 song collection of material from 1984 that I believe was
self released on a 7". The songs predate E.N.T. and Napalm Death and sound
like the origination of "grindcore". Well, except the the last song with the
saxophone.
Repulsion was mention earlier as an excellent film, I always assumed the notes
were referring to the metal band. 1 cd on relapse, again, "Horrorfied".
Recorded in the mid 80's I think, originators of Death Metal?
All three bands are highly recommended if you like the short Naked City tracks
with Eye or the "napalm bursts" that are dropped into songs occasionaly.
Jeff
- -
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:50:34 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Fred Frith
At 10:38 PM 3/14/99 -0800, Christian Heslop wrote:
> Which Fred Frith recordings are essential? I own "Cheap at Half the
>Price". I bought it a few years ago without having any idea then of who he
>was.
Cheap is one of his more pop recordings, and Gravity and Speechless would
be decent followups if you like Cheap (all were originally released on
Ralph). A nice sampler of his different styles is Step across the Border,
which is the soundtrack to a film about him, including many different
styles of music. Among his work as a composer, I really like The Previous
Evening, which includes tributes to Cage, Feldman, and Brown, but does not
feature any guitar playing. I second the opinion on the Massacre album
Killing Time (which I really like better than the more recent Funny
Valentine release) for his rock guitar work. His improv is well documented
on the live recordings with Chris Cutler as well as the more well-known
guitar improv albums. Seminal Frith work also includes the Henry Cow and
Art Bears albums, all of which are worth hearing; and the two Skeleton Crew
albums (one CD) with Tom Cora.
His web site, www.fredfrith.com, contains his selected discography and a
link a more comprehensive listing.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso
- -
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:43:56 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Re: V. Golia
hulinare@bemberg.com.ar wrote:
>
> At 2:12 PM 3/13/99, Dave Trenkel wrote:
>
> >"Chamber" improvising ensembles: "haunting the spirits inside them...",
> >on Music & Arts, with Golia and both Joelle Leandre
I've been swimming around in Parker/Leandre CONTRABASSES for a month or so
now. I love it. I particularly like the 2nd cut, when Leandre seems
*compelled* to sing. Great moments.
This is my first hearing of her.
Anyone suggest other recordings to check out?
Thanks,
RL
- --
Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp, David S. Ware, and
Reggie Workman discographies--Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000
Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc., at:
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k
***Very Various Music For Sale:
***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html
- -
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:15:21 -0500
From: SG <caliban@ctol.net>
Subject: Re: Fred Frith
Personally, I think that almost anything by FF is worth checking out, but if I
had to choose starting points, they'd be:
Guitar work- "Guitar Solos" and "Sounds of a Distant Episode" (Split album w/
Ribot. Thought Ribot's half was kinda weak but worth it the FF pieces- some of
his strongest work ever, IMO)
"Classical" works- "Pacifica" and "The Previous Evening", also "Lelekovice /
The As Usual Dance..." (Two pieces- one for string quartet, the other for
guitar quartet.). P is very laid back, quiet, kind of ambient. PE was written
for dance and consists of three pieces- each an homage to a different composer
(Cage, Feldman, and Earl Brown). The disc w/ two quartets (I can't remember
what it's called, but it might be "Two Quartets") is a bit more "traditional"
than the other two- both pieces are fairly consonant and rhythmic, and there's
an overall "folky" feel to them ("folky" more in Bartok way, than, say, a Pete
Seeger way...)
Henry Cow (his old band)- "Legend" and "Unrest" are my personal faves... L is
kind of Zappa-esque musically, but without the silly lyrics and armchair
politics, and a little less pop-oriented. U is more experimental... free
improvs manipulated in the studio mostly, but some nice composed work as well-
Frith's "Ruins" is beautiful.
"Step Across the Border" is kind of a "greatest hits" of his early solo stuff
and a strong overview of his work- it's worth getting even though there's alot
of previously released material on there- there's quite a few exclusive tracks
on it that aren't available elsewhere. (It was the first Frith album I owned,
actually...)
- -
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:48:03 +0000
From: nils <jacobson@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: Mike Formanek
Martin Schmitz-Ohrndorf <ohrndorf@visionunltd.com> wrote:
> I just picked up Tim Berne/Michael Formanek Ornery People and I like it
> very well. Anyone else listened to it too? Any Opinions?
If you dig Ornery People, check out Formanek's
solo record on Screwgun, "Am I Bothering You?"
Similar vibe, minus Berne. Formanek's Enja
material is also very nice, though I wouldn't put
it at the same level as these two records or the
recent Bloodcount material.
- -Nils
- -
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:37:51 EST
From: Nvinokur@aol.com
Subject: Klezmer site
<A HREF="http://www.soundstone.com/scripts/essay_text.cfm?article=60&rfd=1077"
>SoundStone.com presents: Milestones</A>
- -
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:56:27 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Radio
> > Re: Jerry Reed. He was a country singer/songwriter of the 1960s and
> > 1970s, whose style mixed rockabilly and novelty tunes. His big hits were
> > "Amos Moses" and "When You're Hot, You're Hot". He recorded for RCA. The
> > cavets I cited above for Roger Williams work for him as well.
>
> It sounds like Zorn's interest in him may have been Eugene Chadbourne's
> fault...
Huh-huh. Actually I've found a lot of great stuff tracking down the
originals of Chadbourne covers.
I'm just amazed at how Zorn finds redeeming qualities let alone
inspiration in some of this stuff. Still no takers on Liberace?
Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions.
WY
- -
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:17:06 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: great news for (old) Terry Riley lovers
On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> Terry Riley Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band Volume 1 (1968)
> organ of Corti 4
i feel confused. are there multiple versions
of this recording? didn't
Cortical release this a few years ago?
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:31:54 -0500 (EST)
From: eric ong <eso200@is5.nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: great news for (old) Terry Riley lovers
The Cortical release was a 40 minute edit from the 1968 concert. The
original is 6 hours.
Please excuse if I didn't answer your question, I missed the original post
in this thread.
eric.
On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> > Terry Riley Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band Volume 1 (1968)
> > organ of Corti 4
>
> i feel confused. are there multiple versions
> of this recording? didn't
> Cortical release this a few years ago?
>
> hasta.
>
> Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:02:52 +0100
From: Martin Schmitz-Ohrndorf <ohrndorf@visionunltd.com>
Subject: Re: Fred Frith/Ribot
SG wrote:
> "Sounds of a Distant Episode" (Split album w/
> Ribot. Thought Ribot's half was kinda weak...
I don't think Ribots Shrek pieces on this record are weak at all. I liked Shrek
very much and this one is even better than the AVANT recording.
Martin
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:51:10 PST
From: "Douglas Clarke" <dugc@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Radio
>From: "robert ludington" <felonious_punk@hotmail.com>
>To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Radio
>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:00:34 PST
>I just spotted Naked City's 'Radio' at a nearby Tower Records and
>wondered what people's opinions of it were?
Radio is by far my favorite Naked city recording. It's content is very
much like their domestic release (The one where the man has been shot in
the face on the cover) in that half the tunes are jazzy, and half are
very noisy/grindcore. However, I find that this record shows a more
mature naked city as the jazzy tunes are more complex and really play on
interaction, and the noisy tunes are longer and very well developed.
Basically, I think this album is essential.
- -Doug
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:22:57 +0100
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: "gypsy music"
> and there's more yugoslavian music, some written by Bregovic too, at:
>
> http://www.bison.com/zabe/notes1.html
>
> I'm not sure to what extent this is 'real' gypsy music, but in any case,
> i find it trully beautiful. Hope this helped.
If you like the music by Bregovic, you will probably also like
the music of the Kocani Orkestar: basicly this is the same music
as Bregovic', but stripped down to its bare essentials: horns,
clarinet, accordion and percussion.
The Orkestar is lead by trumpet player Naat Veliov and they
belong to the Rom people, a band of gypsies in Macedonia,
who are at the roots of most of the Balkan-music.
They we're influenced by Turkish Marching Bands in the previous
century as well as the communist regime (Chinese communist songs!)
and jazz this century.
And they funk like hell!
The Kocani Orkestar has two CD's out yet:
-Gypsy Brass Band on Long Distance/Fnac (1995)
-L'orient est rouge on Crammed (1998)
But try to catch them live, if you can ...
YVes
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:58:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff Gretz <KGGF@grove.iup.edu>
Subject: Re: Naked City: Radio
Septic Death is also the band that Pushead is in. For those of you unaware
Pushead is responsible for most of the graphics on the old Metallica shirts you
see around.
jeff gretz
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:45:34 -0500
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey)
Subject: VINYL/CD Sale (3.16)
Hello,
I have the following items for sale, first come, first served ...
Prices are in _US $_ and are POSTAGE PAID within North America.
Shipping on orders outside NA can be arranged.
If you don't like the prices, make me an offer.
* C.C.C.C. - "Community Center Cyber Crash - Live In Pittsburgh" US LP
(RRR/SSS) 1993 $7
* Gerogerigegege - "Life Documents" UK 7" (4th Dimension) 1994 $7
* Naked City - "Torture Garden" US CD (Shimmy Disc) 1990 $11
* Nimrod - "The Mighty Hunter/Lab 36B" CAN picdisc LP (Scratch) 1994 =
$5
* Nimrod - "Nimrod" CAN CD (Scratch) 1996 $7
* Otomo Yoshihide - "Sound Factory '97 - Memory Disorder Vol. 3" US CD
(Gentle Giant) 1997 $10
# Source Direct - "Concealed Identity" UK one-sided promo 12"
(Science/Virgin) 1999 $8
* V/A - "Miaow!" UK promo sampler CD (Big Cat UK) 1995 $5
[Feat. Sch=FCtze, Koner, E.A.R., Oliveros, Nijiumu, Dirty Three etc.]
Thanks for looking.
- -Patrick
pm.carey@utoronto.ca
http://www.astro.utoronto.ca/~carey/sofa/sale.html
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:47:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Moran <moran@staff.juno.com>
Subject: re: "gypsy music"
Other easily available albums of Rom (gypsy) music from Eastern Europe are
the soundtrack to Gadjo Dilo (a recent film by Tony Gatlif who made Latcho
Drom), and two albums by the Ko=E7ani Orkestar.
The Gadjo Dilo sndtrk features Romanian Rom music, and some of the tracks
are incredible virtuosic performances of high-energy traditional
pieces.
Ko=E7ani Orkestar is a Macedonian (as in FYR Macedonia) "gypsy" brass band,
one of the most famous in Europe. They sound amazing on both of their
records.
- -matt
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:36:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: V. Golia
Try "No Try, No Fail" on hatArt with Urs Leimgruber (ts, ss) and Fritz
Hauser (d). It's sort of like the Evan Parker group with Barry Guy and
Paul Lytton.
Last year That band also played Victoriaville with Marilyn Crispell as a
guest. And IMHO
the performance was even better than the CD. However, although, Crispell
has recorded with each of these folks, she's hasn't (yet)
recorded with the entire group.
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Rick Lopez wrote:
>
> I've been swimming around in Parker/Leandre CONTRABASSES for a month or so
> now. I love it. I particularly like the 2nd cut, when Leandre seems
> *compelled* to sing. Great moments.
>
> This is my first hearing of her.
> Anyone suggest other recordings to check out?
>
> Thanks,
> RL
> -- >
>
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 99 12:41:03 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Douglas' 'Convergence'
Noticed this in the store this afternoon. Anyone heard it yet?
Brian Olewnick
(Listening to Roscoe's 'Nine To Get Ready' which I purchased
instead--sounds pretty nice through three cuts)
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:48:24 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Douglas' 'Convergence'
On Tue, 16 Mar 99 12:41:03 -0500 brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
>
> Noticed this in the store this afternoon. Anyone heard it yet?
Not yet but the mispelling of Olivier Messiaen is all over the place...
At this rate, the true spelling might be forgotten in 20 years.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:53:39 +0100
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@silesia.top.pl>
Subject: Re: klezmer (festival in Poland)
All klezmer fans who will be in Poland during the summertime can take part
in the eight Festival of Jewish Culture in Krakow, Poland, between June 28th
and July 5th. Like always, there are various concerts, lectures,
exhibitions, full program can be found at www.jewishfestival.art.pl . I
heard that Anthony Coleman Trio (called Sephardic Tinge since the last
album) and Uri Caine Trio will perform there also.
Just to remind to some of you: this festival starts right afer Warsaw Summer
Jazz Days, where you have a chance to listen during 4 days to: Elliott Sharp
Trio, Marc Ribot Y Los Cubanos Postizos, David Torn / Vernon Reid / Elliott
Sharp, Masada String Trio, Masada quartet, Bar Kokhba, Henry Threadgill,
Steve Coleman Big Band, Bill Laswell / Jack DeJohnette / Sultan Khan / Paul
Schutze, Medeski, Martin & Wood, Boccio / Gibbs / Rypdal, Critters Buggin.
See you there!
__________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak [arno AT silesia.top.pl]
www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:07:48 PST
From: "Douglas Clarke" <dugc@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Warsaw Summer Jazz Days
>Artur Nowak [arno AT silesia.top.pl] wrote:
>Warsaw Summer Jazz Days, where you have a chance to listen during 4
>days to: Elliott Sharp Trio, Marc Ribot Y Los Cubanos Postizos, >David
Torn / Vernon Reid / Elliott Sharp, Masada String Trio, Masada >quartet,
Bar Kokhba, Henry Threadgill, Steve Coleman Big Band, Bill >Laswell /
Jack DeJohnette / Sultan Khan / Paul Schutze, Medeski, >Martin & Wood,
Boccio / Gibbs / Rypdal, Critters Buggin.
Speaking of this Warsaw Jazz fest, anyone know where I can find updated
program and ticket information?
Thanks,
Doug
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:34:33 +0100
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@silesia.top.pl>
Subject: RE: Warsaw Summer Jazz Days
> Speaking of this Warsaw Jazz fest, anyone know where I can find updated
> program and ticket information?
The tickets are usually available 2-3 months before the festival. No online
reservations available :-(
This festival is organized by Mr. Adamiak, who has also radio station in
Warsaw. Check out http://www.jazzradio.com.pl/ (the server is not
responding at the time I write this) - maybe you find more info there.
__________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak [arno AT silesia.top.pl]
www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 99 15:41:08 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: pay to play?
The Brecht Forum
122 West 27th Street, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10010
(212) 242-4201
www.brechtforum.org
For immediate release Contact: Liz
Mestres 212-242-4201
Barbara Burch 718-398-2810
THE NOISE ACTION COALITION CO-SPONSORS PANEL DISCUSSION
ON ECONOMIC JUSTICE FOR MUSICIANS
AS PART OF NEUES KABARETT AT THE BRECHT FORUM
The Brecht Forum and the Noise Action Coalition will sponsor a panel entitled
"Pay to Play?" examining the issue of fair pay for musicians, featuring
Stanley Aronowitz, Marc Ribot, Lianne Smith, Greg Tate and others.
The event is Saturday, March 27th at 6 p.m. at 122 West 27th Street, 10th
Floor, between 6th and 7th Avenues in Manhattan. Admission is $6-10 sliding
scale, no one turned away for lack of funds. For information call
212.242.4201.
The Noise Action Coalition (NAC), an organizing project by and for musicians
working the network of clubs and indie labels centered around downtown New
York City, is made up of Jazz, New Music, "Knitting Factory scene" and Indie
Rock musicians. The NAC has protested the No-Pay policy at Arlene Grocery and
other No-Pay clubs. The NAC has also conducted informational picketing of the
CMJ Music Fest over the festival's non-payment of musicians. Last year, the
NAC won the first collectively bargained agreement at a major U.S. Jazz
festival, the Knitting Factory/Texaco (now Bell Atlantic) New York Jazz
Festival, doubling minimum rates of pay for participating musicians.
Behind these actions was the belief by NAC supporters that when money is made,
musicians should be paid. And behind that belief is an assumption that
musicians can and should organize collectively to win better conditions.
The panel will explore whether these beliefs and assumptions are valid and/or
realistic. Topics will include: whether musicians have a moral or legal right
to collectively bargain; whether unions are possible or desirable in a
downtown music scene dominated by freelancers; and if the bureaucratic
structure and rules normally associated with unions can co-exist with the
creative flexibility and spontaneity of this scene?
The panel will discuss how the NAC's organizing does or does not fit in with
the Musicians' Union, and how the NAC relates to other "nontraditional"
organizing efforts among part-time, freelance and "intellectual" labor now
underway.
The Brecht Forum is an educational and cultural organization for people who
are working for fundamental social change. Neues Kabarett, a regular avant-
garde music series, is one of several ongoing cultural events organized by the
Brecht Forum, including: monthly visual art exhibits, The Gashouse (a monthly
music and poetry night), film and video series, focus groups for artists, and
performances ranging from dance to experimental theater.
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