ftp.xmission.com/2014.06.ftp.xmission.com.tar/ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/zorn-list/archive/v02.n617

Internet Message Format | 1999-03-10 | 21KB

From: [e-mail] (Zorn List Digest)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #617
Reply-To: zorn-list
Sender: [e-mail]
Errors-To: [e-mail]
Precedence: bulk


Zorn List Digest       Wednesday, March 10 1999       Volume 02 : Number 617



In this issue:
-
       Re: The solution to my Tony Oxley mystery
       Re: Mack Goldsbury
       Re: Wow 2
       Re: Dewey Redman
       Re: Wow 2
       Musician resources?
       Re: Wow 2
       Sylvian/Ribot
       RE: Wow 2
       tiny bell trio
       Re: Sylvian/Ribot
       Re: Sylvian/Ribot
       Re: Elliott Sharp
       Re: Oxley
       e#
       Re: tiny bell trio
       BET on Jazz (was re:Oxley mystery)
       COBRA Ensemble-Cincinnati
       Re: Avant links
       pachora

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:28:12 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The solution to my Tony Oxley mystery

On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Steve Smith wrote:

> For those who were curious, the band I'd been watching tonight on "BET
> on Jazz," taped "Live at the Brewhouse," was:  pianist Gordon Beck,
> trumpeter/flugelhornist Kenny Wheeler, saxophonist/flutist Stan
> Sultzman, bassist Dieter Ilg and (yes!) percussionist Tony Oxley.

Do you know if BET on Jazz publishes a detailed schedule? All I can seem
to find are show titles like "Classic Concerts" that don't tell a hell of
a lot...

- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1----------
|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== [e-mail] ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|


- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:46:00 -0500
From: Vincent Kargatis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mack Goldsbury

> From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
> John Howard wrote:
>
> > Mack Goldsbury (where the hell is he?)
>
> I don't think I'd come across Goldsbury's name since Berne's "Songs and
> Rituals in Real Time."

He does excellent work on Herb Robertson's CERTIFIED, which people should (try
to) grab if they don't have it.  May be oop, since it's on JMT.  That's the
last I've heard of him.

vince

- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:04:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Wow 2

On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Craig Rath wrote:

> Actually, my copy sounds rather good.  I think you either have a bad
> pressing or what you refer to as muddy production is exactly what they were
> going for.  Considering the personnel that were involved in the production
> and engineering of the album, I can't imagine they would accidentally make
> something sound muddy.  Compared to some of their older albums (and other
> albums from around the same time) it's remarkably clear sounding.  The
> distortion and haze seems intentional.

i think "wow 2" sounds really nice too.  especially since the shimmy disc
version of "soul discharge" -- which is from the same era -- sounds so
terrible.  i keep meaning to check out the japanese version of "soul
discharge," but it's usually listed for about $25.

b

- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:43:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dewey Redman

I got it, even though I have the original "Ear Of The Beholder"
on Impulse in magnificant Quad stereo (never did get those extra two
speakers, though). The extra material makes the album even more
listenable, especially since Leroy Jenkins guests. Definitely worth a
purchase, especially now that Universal has bought Polygram and the money
guys are probably scheming how to fold Impulse into Verve and only put
out Johnny Hartman and Ella Fitzgerald records.

I'm waiting for Galaxy to reissue a Redman set from the 1970s with his
version of "Alone Again, Naturally".

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]


On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, DR S WILKIE wrote:
>
> Incidentally, did anyone pick up the Impulse reissue of Ear Of The
> Behearer?  I was impressed by their willingness to include, as bonus
> material, HALF of his subsequent album, Coincide.  Then again, that
> may be down to my view that they picked the RIGHT half and dispensed
> with the drivelly zither playing and (as if I haven't stuck my neck
> out enough) one or two half-baked improvs.
> >
> -
>
>

- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:12:56 -0500
From: Push <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Wow 2

> i think "wow 2" sounds really nice too.  especially since the shimmy disc
> version of "soul discharge" -- which is from the same era -- sounds so
> terrible.  i keep meaning to check out the japanese version of "soul
> discharge," but it's usually listed for about $25.

I'd say the sound of my copy of Wow 2 is comperable to that Shimmy Disc "Soul
Discharge."  I'm going to take a chance and see if another copy sounds different;
maybe it's just me...
Also, if you like "Soul Discharge" then it's probably worth it to get the
Japanese version.  The songs are on seperate tracks, the sound quality is far
superior, and there are about five extra songs.


- -push


- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:16:31 GMT
From: "johnnnnn schuller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Musician resources?

Does anyone know of any good internet resources for experimental
musicians? I am looking for musician classifieds, calendars, labels,
clubs, etc. I would like to put together a great site dedicated to this
type of information. A place where experimental and improv etc. etc.
people can find people to play with and places to play. I just need a
place to begin.

Johnnnnnnnnnn



Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:23:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Wow 2

On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Push wrote:

> I'd say the sound of my copy of Wow 2 is comperable to that Shimmy Disc "Soul
> Discharge."  I'm going to take a chance and see if another copy sounds different;
> maybe it's just me...
> Also, if you like "Soul Discharge" then it's probably worth it to get the
> Japanese version.  The songs are on seperate tracks, the sound quality is far
> superior, and there are about five extra songs.

there must be something wrong with your "wow 2" because there is a world
of difference between the copy i have and shimmy disc's crap pressing of
"soul discharge."  it's like kramer mastered it through a shoe.  i think
that my copy of "wow 2" sounds as good as "pop tatari."

b

- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 99 14:40:07 -0300
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Sylvian/Ribot

Steve Smith wrote:

>Speaking of Ribot turning up in odd places, has anyone yet heard the
>new David Sylvian album?

Label? Musicians? Title? Is it available?

Thanks,

Hugo

- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:32:28 -0600
From: "Marks, Andy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Wow 2

Wasn't WOW 2 recorded live in the studio?
I thought that is was supposed to document the
"live" sound of the Boredoms. I have always attributed
the lofi-ness of WOW 2 to this reason, but I think it
definitely sounds better than the Shimmy Disc
"Soul Discharge". I may have to look into getting the
Japanese version as I've probably only managed to sit
through the whole thing once because it was only 2 monster
tracks.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Brent Burton [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Wednesday, March 10, 1999 12:24 PM
> To:    Push
> Cc:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: Wow 2
>
> On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Push wrote:
>
> > I'd say the sound of my copy of Wow 2 is comperable to that Shimmy Disc
> "Soul
> > Discharge."  I'm going to take a chance and see if another copy sounds
> different;
> > maybe it's just me...
> > Also, if you like "Soul Discharge" then it's probably worth it to get
> the
> > Japanese version.  The songs are on seperate tracks, the sound quality
> is far
> > superior, and there are about five extra songs.
>
> there must be something wrong with your "wow 2" because there is a world
> of difference between the copy i have and shimmy disc's crap pressing of
> "soul discharge."  it's like kramer mastered it through a shoe.  i think
> that my copy of "wow 2" sounds as good as "pop tatari."
>
> b
>
> -

- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:53:15 PST
From: "Mary Ho" <[e-mail]>
Subject: tiny bell trio

I agree with you about Brad Sheppik.  I just saw them Monday night in
D.C. and though the show was great, I was a little disappointed in his
guitar work.  I also agree with enjoying them in their earlier years
better.  What I love about their first record (which was why I was
disappointed with Brad) was the charming counterpoint in their tunes
between Brad and Dave (and JIm as well).  At the show the other
night,there was very little counterpoint, answer and response, the
playing out and then all o' a sudden landing back in sync to the
original head - that charming interaction that was exhibited in their
first record.  But a great trio anyway and Jim Black rocks.


Reply to:

Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:06:07 -0700From: dennis summers
<[e-mail]>
Subject: Tiny Bell Trio


Just a quick note. I saw Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio last nite in Ann
Arbor. This was the 2nd time. As always Jim Black was supercool. Douglas
was
fine. My memory though tells me that I liked them better a year ago, but
I
couldn't articulate why. My big comment is on Brad Shepik. My wife
disagrees
with me, but I thought that while his guitar work was fine, he didn't
really
add anything to the mix (except occassionally) and mostly just seemed to
fill in the empty space. Now maybe that's all he's supposed to do, but I
would've prefered some interesting and unexpected musical bits. It is
jazz
after all. Anyone have any feelings on Shepik?

yours in zornocity --ds
***Quantum Dance Works*******http://ic.net/~denniss****
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:53:28 -0600
From: Craig Rath <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sylvian/Ribot

At 02:40 PM 3/10/99 -0300, Hugo wrote:
>Steve Smith wrote:
>
>>Speaking of Ribot turning up in odd places, has anyone yet heard the
>>new David Sylvian album?
>
>Label? Musicians? Title? Is it available?
>

"Dead Bees on a Cake" - on Virgin.  Supposedly released on Feb 14th, though
I haven't been able to find it yet.
Musicians (that I know of):  Ryuichi Sakamoto, Kenny Wheeler, Steve Jansen,
Tommy Barbarella, Talvin Singh, Deepak Ram, Bill Frisell, Steve Tibbetts,
Marc Ribot, Shree Maa, along with other session musicians.



- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:34:48 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sylvian/Ribot

On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Craig Rath wrote:

> "Dead Bees on a Cake" - on Virgin.  Supposedly released on Feb 14th, though
> I haven't been able to find it yet.
> Musicians (that I know of):  Ryuichi Sakamoto, Kenny Wheeler, Steve Jansen,
> Tommy Barbarella, Talvin Singh, Deepak Ram, Bill Frisell, Steve Tibbetts,
> Marc Ribot, Shree Maa, along with other session musicians.

Having Tommy Barbarella, Mark Ribot, and Ryichi Sakomoto on the same disc
is going to compress a whole lot of games of musical Six Degrees of Kevin
Bacon.

- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1----------
|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== [e-mail] ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|


- -

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 14:35:31 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Elliott Sharp

Chris Genzel wrote:

>  Hi,
>
>  I saw two new Elliott Sharp releases in the shop which were in a kind of sealed
>  envelope. (Unfortunately, I forgot the titles.) They're obviously part of
>  some limited edition. Can anyone tell me anything about these CDs?

Those would be 'Spring & Neap' and 'Rheo-Umbra' on the zOaR label. The former is a
noisy algorithmic composition for koto, two shamisen, harp, piano, two violins, two
cellos, two contrabasses and two percussionists. It's a very dynamic piece and
reminds me of Xenakis in a strange way. The latter is a piece for Orchestra Carbon
which is regular Carbon (Zeena Parkins, Marc Sloan, Joseph Trump, David Weinstein &
e#) plus the Soldier String Quartet and two bass clarinet players. It employs a
block structure like 'Larynx' but really shows that e# has become a much more mature
and interesting composer. I think definitely the best Orchestra Carbon disc thus
far.

They are sort of expensive but both of these rank up with 'Sferics' as my favorite
e# discs. Also, I'm sort of surprised that copies are still around since they're in
limited edition of 300 and released well over a year ago...

                                -Tom Pratt


- -

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 14:53:56 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Oxley

Steve Smith wrote:

> If you haven't been following the little NP messages at the end of my
> posts tonight, you can delete this now.
>
> For those who were curious, the band I'd been watching tonight on "BET
> on Jazz," taped "Live at the Brewhouse," was:  pianist Gordon Beck,
> trumpeter/flugelhornist Kenny Wheeler, saxophonist/flutist Stan
> Sultzman, bassist Dieter Ilg and (yes!) percussionist Tony Oxley.

It's odd that this was on "BET on Jazz" but not that odd a group for Oxley
to be part of. A quick glance at the EFI site shows that Oxley's first
record was with Gordon Beck in a group that included John McLaughlin, and
he recorded 'Extrapolation' with McLaughlin's band a few years after.

Speaking of Oxley... I just picked up the 2-CD 'Soho Suites' (Incus) of
Bailey/Oxley duets. I think this is a fantastic set. It's strange to say
that these two really stretch out here (how could either stretch out
further?) but I think it's true... On some sections, I've never before
heard them play the way they do. I'm very excited by this one.

                                -Tom Pratt


- -

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 15:03:24 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: e#

Wait a minute. Maybe the new Elliott Sharp discs is 'SyndaKit' (there
are two versions being released). I didn't think it was out yet but
maybe I'm wrong...

btw, there's a 2-CD Tom Cora tribute coming out on Tzadik sometime.

                        -Tom Pratt


- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:29:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: tiny bell trio

On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Mary Ho wrote:

> I agree with you about Brad Sheppik.  I just saw them Monday night in
> D.C. and though the show was great, I was a little disappointed in his
> guitar work.  I also agree with enjoying them in their earlier years
> better.  What I love about their first record (which was why I was
> disappointed with Brad) was the charming counterpoint in their tunes
> between Brad and Dave (and JIm as well).  At the show the other
> night,there was very little counterpoint, answer and response, the
> playing out and then all o' a sudden landing back in sync to the
> original head - that charming interaction that was exhibited in their
> first record.  But a great trio anyway and Jim Black rocks.

i actually like sheppik's playing (the hat art cd i have lists him as
shoeppich or something like that).  i mean, he's not sonny sharrock and
if you have an aversion to kenny burrel-style guitar playing then he
might possibly rub you the wrong way, but i felt like he adds a nice
contrast to douglas' miles/cherryisms and black's full-on spastic
drumming (which sounds like han bennink trying to play like todd trainer
and failing for the most part).  i think he anchors the quartet in a way:
douglas is usually playing melodies and black is usually just being jim
black, so someone has to hold down the changes and i think sheppik (or
however it's spelled) does a nice job at that.  despite his blue note-era
guitar tone, he actually sounds fairly informed by sonic youth type punk,
evidenced by his occassional forays to the expanse of strings behind the
guitar's bridge.

so anyway, i saw the d.c. show at state of the union and i was impressed.

b

- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:56:47 PST
From: "Scott Handley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BET on Jazz (was re:Oxley mystery)

One of these 'Classic Concerts' to watch out for is an indo-fusion
ensemble led by Trilok Gurtu, with Trilok on percussion and some kind of
sit-down electric/acoustic drum kit, a kaval player, a guy on
percussion/gtr/voice/Gnawa(?), Kai Eckhardt on bass, and a
sitar/bandoneon (?) player.  About a third of it is pretty tepid, to me,
but the rest is great.  SOme great moments: tape it!

- ---s

P.S. ANd I am no big fan of what I've heard of Trilok's recorded work.

>Do you know if BET on Jazz publishes a detailed schedule? All I can
seem
>to find are show titles like "Classic Concerts" that don't tell a hell
of
>a lot...
>
>-
- ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1----------
>|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== [e-mail] ===== Human Systems \|||
>||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
>|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
>
>
>-
>
>

Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:02:42 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: COBRA Ensemble-Cincinnati

In a message dated 3/10/99 10:32:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-zorn-list-
[e-mail] writes:

<< I'm curious too, since I live here and never heard of it before.
 Do they all have a schedule?

 I understand they are playing this Friday, but I can't make it.

 Curiouser and Curiouser,
 Peter >>

Their dates are all usually in CityBeat and Everybody's News. When they got
started this past fall they seemed to be trying the waters out and playing all
over the place. Now it seems that they've settled at Southgate House and
Ripley's Alive. I think the people at Southgate want them to headline in the
ballroom next month, rather than continue playing in the cozy parlor upstairs.
I don't know what's next after this Friday's show, but you can get on their
mailing list at [e-mail].

~Joseph

- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:32:03 -0800
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Avant links

just so everyone knows this is not THE Kenny G!! thank god.
patrick in portland

Caleb T. Deupree wrote:

> At 10:46 PM 3/9/99 EST, [e-mail] wrote:
> > <A HREF="http://wfmu.org/~kennyg/links.html">kenny g's avant links</A>
>
> Amazing, there's actually some very interesting stuff here.
>
> --
> Caleb Deupree
> [e-mail]
>
> Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
> -- Pablo Picasso
>
> -




- -

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:16:22 +1100 (EST)
From: Aaron Chee-Kean Chua <[e-mail]>
Subject: pachora

say, has anyone heard the new pachora on the knitting factory label yet?
BTW, how DO you pronounce pachora anyway?

regards,
aaron



- -

------------------------------

End of Zorn List Digest V2 #617
*******************************


 To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to
       "[e-mail]"
 with
       "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest"
 in the body of the message.

 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

 A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to
 subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest"
 in the commands above with "zorn-list".

 Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in
 pub/lists/zorn-list/archive.  These are organized by date.

 Problems? Email the list owner at [e-mail]