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To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #618
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, March 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 618
In this issue:
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Re: Sylvian/Ribot
Re: Re: Sylvian/Ribot
VOG
Re: pachora
some gigs (recommended) in nyc
looking for US-musicians for german free-improv festival
ISO album
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #617
Re: VOG
Re: The solution to my Tony Oxley mystery
Edgard Varese
Re: Edgard Varese
Re: ISO album
Re: ISO album
Coleman/ Trumpet
Re: Edgard Varese
Re: Kenny G.
Re: ISO album
Re: ISO album
Alone Again
Re: ISO album
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:59:35 +0200
From: Blind <lb@skynet-bg.com>
Subject: Re: Sylvian/Ribot
As far as I know, it's called 'Dead Bees on a cake' and the musicians
are:
Kenny Wheeler, Marc Ribot, Talvin Singh, Bill Frisell. It's on Virgin,
don't know if it's available already.
hulinare@bemberg.com.ar wrote:
> >Speaking of Ribot turning up in odd places, has anyone yet heard the
> >new David Sylvian album?
> Label? Musicians? Title? Is it available?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:00:08 EST
From: Slntwtchr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Sylvian/Ribot
>As far as I know, it's called 'Dead Bees on a cake' and the musicians
>are:
>Kenny Wheeler, Marc Ribot, Talvin Singh, Bill Frisell. It's on Virgin,
>don't know if it's available already.
last i heard, it was either the 23rd or 30th of this month in the us. i think
the 30th is the correct date, but don't quote me on that.
peace,
dave
___________________________________________________________
bill laswell, eraldo bernocchi, mick harris and lori carson discographies at :
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093
___________________________________________________________
- -
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:08:09 -0800
From: pjm <pjm@memes.com>
Subject: VOG
Does anyone know if the live VOG (Horvitz/Skerik/ etc..) cd was ever
released? Have they released anything at all?
Thanks
pjm
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 02:58:52 EST
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: pachora
In a message dated 3/10/99 8:41:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
a.chua@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au writes:
> say, has anyone heard the new pachora on the knitting factory label yet?
Yes, excellent recording! If you liked the first release, you will certainly
like this one.
> BTW, how DO you pronounce pachora anyway?
>
pa-chor'-a (the "a"'s are schwas)
- -Jody
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:17:36 +0000
From: picnic thisway <lefauxhulot@hotmail.com>
Subject: some gigs (recommended) in nyc
hello. it's been sometime since i checked in.
i have some gigs to recommend again (if you're around nyc.)
1: Rashied Ali & Sonny Fortune duo
Arthur Doyle trio feat. Rashid Bakr & Wilber Morris
saturday, march 13th (door: 9 p.m.)=20
@the cooler, 416 w. 14th st. (bet. 9th & 10th aves.) 212.229.0785 or
http://www.thecooler.com
admission: $8 w/ flyer (avail. @various downtown record shops & clubs -
read: downtown music gallery, mondo kim's, other music, tonic, etc.)
or $10 w/o
2: Peter Scherer (remember?! he was a member of Arto Lindsay's
'ambitious lovers'!) with Skuli Sverrisson - duo
Michiyo Yagi (who just released new solo from Tzadik. very exciting koto
player) & Marc Sloan (E#'s original Carbon member) duo
plus DJ Olive (of 'we=99' - asphodel)=20
plus Badawi (who's new solo from asphodel is a great wacked dub
percussion!)
monday, march 15th (door: 8:45 p.m.)
@the cooler - see above for address etc.
admission: oh yes! it's a part of monday series!! so - FREE!
3: Michiyo Yagi (see above) & Ehran Elisha duo
saturday, march 13th (1:30 p.m.)
FREE SHOW @tonic, 107 norfolk st. (bet. delancey & rivington)
212.358.7503 or http://www.tonic107.com
this is another Yagi's free show. check her out while she's in town.
4: another Michiyo Yagi gig - w/ Aki Nakamura on shakuhachi
friday, march 12th=20
@Japan Society, 333 E. 47th st. nyc, 212.752.3015
call for admission etc.
- -----
(sorry! i didn't list them in chronological order. i'm too sleepy & in a
hurry...;((
catch it while you can...
pt
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:26:35 +0100 (MET)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: looking for US-musicians for german free-improv festival
could someone from the zorn-list please forward this to other
free-improvisation lists:
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
we are looking for US-american musicians who are interested in taking part
in an international free-improv/experimental festival in Tuebingen (near
STuttgart)/germany, october 15 and 16.
we are working with the institute for german-american culture exchanges
and are able to offer:
payment for flight, hotel and food. we are NOT able to pay any extra money
for the performance.
everybody who is interested should send his/her material including:
recording of representative material on cd, vinyl or audio tape, info
material with references (played with XY live, took part in the recording
of cd XY etc.), press stuff and contact address,email and fax-number,plus
one black and white photo within the next ten days (sending deadline
should be march 25) to:
Bjoern Eichstaedt
Gechtstr.49
72074 Tuebingen
GERMANY
we will get in contact with the musicians we are interested in until the
end of april. all extra informations needed will be given then....
looking forward to your material
BJOERN EICHSTAEDT
www.cityinfonetz.de/homepages/bjoern.eichstaedt/index.html
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:30:46 -0600
From: "Marks, Andy" <Andy.Marks@mts.com>
Subject: ISO album
Does anybody have that new ISO album with Otomo Yoshihide?
I've got the Filament album on Extreme and don't like it at all.
I was wondering how the ISO album compares to this.
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:25:43 -0800
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #617
On the contrary, tKenny Goldsmith (who's Web site this is a URL) is THE
Kenny G.
The other one (my nominal home boy)'s not worth considering.
Bests,
Herb
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:32:03 -0800
From: <sheepherder@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Avant links
just so everyone knows this is not THE Kenny G!! thank god.
patrick in portland
Caleb T. Deupree wrote:
> At 10:46 PM 3/9/99 EST, Nvinokur@aol.com wrote:
> > <A HREF="http://wfmu.org/~kennyg/links.html">kenny g's avant links</A>
>
> Amazing, there's actually some very interesting stuff here.
>
> --
> Caleb Deupree
> cdeupree@erinet.com
>
> Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
> -- Pablo Picasso
>
> -
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:16:15 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: VOG
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:08:09 -0800 pjm wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the live VOG (Horvitz/Skerik/ etc..) cd was ever
> released? Have they released anything at all?
Not to my knowledge.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:41:15 EST
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: The solution to my Tony Oxley mystery
In a message dated 3/10/99 2:03:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ssmith36@sprynet.com writes:
>
> For those who were curious, the band I'd been watching tonight on "BET
> on Jazz," taped "Live at the Brewhouse," was: pianist Gordon Beck,
> trumpeter/flugelhornist Kenny Wheeler, saxophonist/flutist Stan
> Sultzman, bassist Dieter Ilg and (yes!) percussionist Tony Oxley.
That concert was a tribute to pianist Bill Evans. Recorded in '90 or '91--
I've had the laserdisc for a few years. I think all the tunes were Evans'
except for one Gordon Beck tune. A friend of mine has a great Gordon Beck
webpage at:
http://www.enter.net/~rainsong/gordonbeck.html
- -Jody
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:54:47 -0800
From: Jason Tors <jtors@organic.com>
Subject: Edgard Varese
I went through the links on http://wfmu.org/~kennyg/links.html
One that attracted me very much was the piece on Edgard Varese written by
FZ. Can someone recomend [and a brief personal opinion ] a good starter
album to pick up?
Thanks,
[respond privately if inappropriate for zornlist ]
JT
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:16:03 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Edgard Varese
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:54:47 -0800 Jason Tors wrote:
>
> I went through the links on http://wfmu.org/~kennyg/links.html
>
> One that attracted me very much was the piece on Edgard Varese written by
> FZ. Can someone recomend [and a brief personal opinion ] a good starter
> album to pick up?
The sad thing about Varese is that a full creative life barely amounts
for two hours of music :-(. The good thing is that you can have the Varese's
integrale (no pun intended) without taking the risk of ruining your savings.
If you find it, try to get the 2xCD set aptly named THE COMPLETE WORKS. If not
the following CD is fantastic (Kent Nagano keeps on putting great records with
an excellent selection of compositions -- look at the Messiaen one, for
another example).
Advices? With such a small production, I am not taking too many risks by
saying that they is really no mediocre compositions. I have my favorites, but
I would have a hard time at finding one that is not of prime importance. The
color of the orchestrations, the complexity of the harmony, and the heavy use
of percussion are the main characteristic of Varese. Like few mavericks of
this century, nobody really tried to build on his discoveries.
Patrice (sad to know that there is nothing more to expect from
Varese's production).
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - L'OEUVRE DE EDGAR VARESE: Edgar Varese
1/ Densite 21,5 (for solo flute) (Varese) 3:37
2/ Ionisation (Varese) 6:18
3/ Ecuatorial (Varese) 10:58
4/ Nocturnal (Varese) 11:12
5/ Integrales (Varese) 10:37
6/ Deserts (Varese) 25:36
Philippe Pierlot (1): flute; Phyllis Bryn-Julson (4): soprano; Nicholas
Isherwood (3): bass-baritone; Male choir of Radio France directed by Richard
Cook (4); Orchestre National de France directed by Kent Nagano (2-6).
1996 - Erato (France), 0630-14332-2 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - THE COMPLETE WORKS: Edgar Varese
Disc 1:
1/ Tuning Up 5:00
2/ Ameriques (original version) 24:38
3/ Poeme Electronique 8:02
4/ Arcana 18:22
5/ Nocturnal 10:25
6/ Un Grand Sommeil Noir (orchestral version) 4:08
Disc 2:
7/ Un Grand Sommeil Noir (original version) 2:46
8/ Offrandes
9/ Hyperprism 4:18
10/ Octandre
11/ Integrales 10:18
12/ Ecuatorial 11:27
13/ Ionisation 5:51
14/ Density 21.5 4:05
15/ Deserts
16/ Dance For Burgess 1:48
Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra (disc 1); ASKO Ensemble (disc 2); Richard
Chailly: conductor.
1998 - London/Decca (UK), 289 460 208-2 (2xCD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:19:24 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: ISO album
In a message dated 3/11/99 8:43:07 AM, Andy.Marks@mts.com writes:
<< Does anybody have that new ISO album with Otomo Yoshihide?
I've got the Filament album on Extreme and don't like it at all.
I was wondering how the ISO album compares to this. >>
the new ISO on Alcohol is much preferable to the Extreme Filament record.
imagine the bare-bones skeletal (and boring) structure of the Filament record
with a third musician added, which seems to be just enough to make it
infinitely more musical and interesting. Otomo seems to be bound and
determiend to explore this post-Ikeda direction of sine tones until he gets it
right, and this is easily the closest he's come yet, although I still don't
think it's a real strength for him.
so, all in all, I do like this one a lot, and it makes me way more excited
about seeing ISO at Victo this year, but if you don't have Ikeda's +/- (Touch)
yet, pick that one up first. I think it's one of the three most important
records of the decade so far, along with Portishead's Dummy and Olivia Tremor
Control's Dusk At Cubist Castle.
Jon
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:29:12 -0800
From: Keith McMullen <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: ISO album
> if you don't have Ikeda's +/- (Touch)
> yet, pick that one up first. I think it's one of the three most important
> records of the decade so far, along with Portishead's Dummy and Olivia Tremor
> Control's Dusk At Cubist Castle.
I can feel Zornlisters' hearts racing on this one.....now take a deep
breath and count to ten before responding.....it's going to be all
right......
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 99 15:40:26 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: Coleman/ Trumpet
Hello!
Just to ask:
- - opinions on Anthony Coleman's Disco By Night and Lounge Lizards' Voice
of Chunk. What labels were both released? Worth listening to?
Thanks in advance.
Hugo
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:47:02 +0000
From: "Scott" <scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Edgard Varese
>>
>> One that attracted me very much was the piece on Edgard Varese written by
>> FZ. Can someone recomend [and a brief personal opinion ] a good starter
>> album to pick up?
>
>If you find it, try to get the 2xCD set aptly named THE COMPLETE WORKS.
All of Varese is amazing! Ionisations being the most (in)famous, featuring
klaxens, horns, rattling percussion and other not so 'musical' devices.
There supposedly exists recordings of the complete works of Varese by the
Ensemble Modern made under Zappa's guidance in his last years. The Zappa
site has been promising their release for ages but nothing seems to have
happened.
Scott
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:29:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Kenny G.
There was a time when Kenny Garrett was identifying himself at the end
of sets as "Kenny G." Considering his sets were then
half-electric-R&B-fusion and half mainstream jazz, it seemed appropriate
at the time.
I haven't heard anything since then that would change my opinion of him
as the second Kenny G.
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Herb Levy wrote:
> On the contrary, tKenny Goldsmith (who's Web site this is a URL) is THE
> Kenny G.
>
> The other one (my nominal home boy)'s not worth considering.
>
> Bests,
>
> Herb
>
>
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:32:03 -0800
> From: <sheepherder@uswest.net>
> Subject: Re: Avant links
>
> just so everyone knows this is not THE Kenny G!! thank god.
> patrick in portland
>
> Caleb T. Deupree wrote:
>
> > At 10:46 PM 3/9/99 EST, Nvinokur@aol.com wrote:
> > > <A HREF="http://wfmu.org/~kennyg/links.html">kenny g's avant links</A>
> >
> > Amazing, there's actually some very interesting stuff here.
> >
> > --
> > Caleb Deupree
> > cdeupree@erinet.com
> >
> > Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
> > -- Pablo Picasso
> >
> > -
>
>
> Herb Levy
> herb@eskimo.com
>
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:25:07 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: ISO album
In a message dated 3/11/99 1:37:34 PM, mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us writes:
<< > if you don't have Ikeda's +/- (Touch)
> yet, pick that one up first. I think it's one of the three most important
> records of the decade so far, along with Portishead's Dummy and Olivia
Tremor
> Control's Dusk At Cubist Castle.
I can feel Zornlisters' hearts racing on this one.....now take a deep
breath and count to ten before responding.....it's going to be all
right...... >>
I'm not sure exactly what this response means. I didn't say best records of
the nineties, although these three would certainly make my list of those also.
each of these three basically singlehandedly spawned a new genre, although the
OTC offshoots aren't quite as clear-cut yet. if you can name a more Zorn-
oriented record from the nineties that's as important in the larger scheme of
things, I'd like to know what it is.
Jon
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:33:53 -0800
From: Keith McMullen <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: ISO album
> I can feel Zornlisters' hearts racing on this one.....now take a deep
> breath and count to ten before responding.....it's going to be all
> right...... >>
>
> I'm not sure exactly what this response means.
It means on a list of over 400 highly passionate and opinionated music
lovers, any assertion of the three most important of anything is going
to evoke wide disagreement.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:20:15 -0500 (EST)
From: "David J. Strauss" <djs2852@is.nyu.edu>
Subject: Alone Again
> I'm waiting for Galaxy to reissue a Redman set from the 1970s with his
> version of "Alone Again, Naturally".
> Ken Waxman
Fantasy reissued this CD (MUSICS) a couple of years ago.
DS
djs2852@is.nyu.edu
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:22:10 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@ctech.smtc.net>
Subject: Re: ISO album
> the new ISO on Alcohol is much preferable to the Extreme Filament recor=
d.
> imagine the bare-bones skeletal (and boring) structure of the Filament =
record
> with a third musician added, which seems to be just enough to make it
> infinitely more musical and interesting. Otomo seems to be bound and
> determiend to explore this post-Ikeda direction of sine tones until he =
gets it
> right, and this is easily the closest he's come yet, although I still d=
on't
> think it's a real strength for him.
I think this disc excites me more than it does Jon. I have Ikeda's '+/-' =
and there
are, of course, the obvious parallels but the I.S.O. is a pretty differen=
t ball of
wax. It seems much less of the headphonics type stuff I heard on 'Gravity=
Clock'
and really is something quite its own. Well I think it's pretty great and=
would
recommend it.
Here's what Forced Exposure has to say about it:
"Recorded and mixed by Xentos (aka Amos, aka L.Voag) in London 1998. Four
tracks (A, B, C, D) of deeply transparent music by Otomo Yoshihide (turnt=
ables),
Sachiko Matsubara (sine wave) and Ichiraku Yoshimitsu (percussion). New m=
usic
from the players behind Ground Zero and similarly radical. The future of =
techno or
something altogether new? The result is numinous, enigmatic, transparent =
- -- by
turns violently disturbing and quizzically tranquil. Recorded and mixed i=
n real
time
by the mysterious Xentos, it moves at its own mind-boggling pace. Otomo s=
ays that
for him this is the most important record he's done: 'I am sure this CD w=
ill be my
most important work and I.S.O.'s best one; and it may be big milestone of=
new
music history like first Derek Bailey solo 1970. I am so excited about it=
!'"
It seems as if Jon would give this credit to Ikeda... (I don't disagree)
Anyway, I came across some upcoming Otomo discs that look pretty interest=
ing:
Otomo, Yoshihide. Dear Derek. meme, to be released 1999.
Tetreault, Martin, and Yoshihide Otomo. Duo. Ambience Magnetic, to be rel=
eased
1999.
Marclay, Christian, and Yoshihide Otomo. Duo. Asphodel, to be released 19=
99.
Filament and G=FCnter M=FCller. AMOEBiC, to be released Summer 1999.
Ground Zero. (The final Ground Zero concert at Shibuya On-Air West, Tokyo=
on March
8, 1998). AMOEBiC, AMO-VA-02, to be released Spring 1999.
Microcosmos (duo w/Tenko). Pilgrimage. Tzadik, to be released January 199=
9.
> so, all in all, I do like this one a lot, and it makes me way more exci=
ted
> about seeing ISO at Victo this year, but if you don't have Ikeda's +/- =
(Touch)
> yet, pick that one up first.
And get Karuna Khyal's 'Alomoni 1985' and Brast Burn's 'Debon' too!
-Tom Pratt
- -
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