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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #613
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Zorn List Digest Monday, March 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 613
In this issue:
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CDr tech talk
Re: CDr recording
Re: CDr tech talk
CDR, schmDr
Re: San Francisco record shops
quiet sun "mainstream"
Re: interesting stuff to do in the dc area?
Re: Bad CDs
Recent Swag (longish)
Re: cue sheets
new music from Ostertag, Yoshihide & Bond
Re: new music from Ostertag, Yoshihide & Bond
Re: Recent Swag (longish)
subject:Looking for Seattle area musicians
Recent Swag (no Zorn content whatsoever)
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 19:36:05 -0800
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: CDr tech talk
Another vote to keep the CDr tech talk public, on this list....
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 22:51:22 -0800
From: Todd Bramy <tbramy@oz.net>
Subject: Re: CDr recording
>I see no problem with continuing this discussion here as long as there are
>enough people interested.
Count me in, too.
Todd
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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 00:24:38 -0800
From: <sheepherder@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: CDr tech talk
there has to be a better place to discuss such matters. im sure it
is an intersting subject to many people on the list, however so is
sex and we do not talk about it here. there must be some CD-R
newsgroup somewhere. the scope of subject matter on this newsgroup
is already fairly generous. therefore lets try to keep things at
least somewhat associated with John Zorn (and the NYC scene).
just my 2 cents....
patrick in portland
Martin Wisckol wrote:
> Another vote to keep the CDr tech talk public, on this list....
>
> -
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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 00:47:46 -0800
From: Gene Natalia <anubis9@concentric.net>
Subject: CDR, schmDr
I have an idea! Instead of wasting even more bandwith on a huge thread
about whether we should discuss CDR's or not, why not just discuss CDR's?
We have already received more posts of people saying, "I vote for talking
about CDR's" and "Count me in!" than there were actual posts about CDR's.
Why not just go ahead and discuss the damned CDR's, get it out of your
systems, and then move on, rather than us getting in a foolish
argument/discussion that exceeds the scope of the actual issue? Unless,
you CDR posters intend to drag it out as long as the "BAD CD'S" thread...
-Ethan
P.S. Please do not respond to this. I don't want to ironically start
another unneccessary thread.
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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 02:59:22 PST
From: "Douglas Clarke" <dugc@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: San Francisco record shops
>the names of good record stores. Both CDs and vinyl, jazz and classic
rock.
>You can e-mail me if you feel this is too off-topic. Thanks in advance.
Aquarius Records is my favorite
- -dug
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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:59:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: quiet sun "mainstream"
does anyone know if this record is still in print anywhere?
b
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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:09:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeni Dahmus <jdah@loc.gov>
Subject: Re: interesting stuff to do in the dc area?
On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, alissa bader wrote:
>
> I've recently moved to the dc area (from nyc, yet) and I must say...I'm at
> a loss for cultural stuff to do here. Where are all the decent record
> shops? What about venues and stuff?
To start, come to the Masada Trio concert at the Library of Congress on
April 9. Zorn's new commission will be premiered. The show is free but
you need tickets, which can be purchased through Ticketmaster, or you
can show up around 6:30 and get a standby ticket.
DC has a lot to offer musically, the problem is you can't always tell by
looking at the Washington Post. There are many free new music concerts at
museums, galleries, and colleges. Check out the City Paper.
In addition to DCCD, Vinyl Ink is a good record store.
Jeni
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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:12:04 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Bad CDs
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:47:40 +0100 (MET) BJOERN wrote:
>
> > How do you feel about all the new records that will never
> > beneficiate a vinyl pressing?
>
> that is a very sad thing.... i buy these on cd of course...
> but these records will be gone forever in at least 20 years.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Like everything good in life...
Patrice.
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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 99 11:04:26 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Recent Swag (longish)
Not all ultra-new things, but it's tough to catch up....
Aaly Trio w/KV Hidden In the Stomach Silkheart
Recorded prior to last year's fine release on Wobbly Rail and
featuring some of the same material, I like this one even more. Good,
muscular free jazz. I find that Vandermark and Gustafson provide nice
foils for each other, KV reining in some of Mats' tendencies towards
extended-technique for its own sake and MG getting Ken to stretch out
more. The real standout, though, is bassist Janson; a monster! Would
love to know about other recordings of his, perhaps as leader?
Derek Bailey Playbacks Bingo
I admit to not being a huge fan of drum 'n' bass and am also not too
crazy about the general idea of roping DB into projects like this but,
given all that, most of the material here works pretty well.
Highlights for me were the collaboration with Ko Sinh Thay (I'm sure I
have that name wrong, but I don't have the disc at hand), the mild
plunderphonia of John Oswald and, above all, the wonderful piece with
backdrop by O'Rourke and Connors over which Bailey tells a story of
his love for the name 'George'. Beautiful.
John Duncan/Bernhard Gunter Home, Unspeakable Trente Oiseaux
Tough to say why I like this as much as I do, but...A half-hour of the
quietest sounds you're likely to hear, quiet enough that it's often
hard to say whether the sounds you're picking up are from the disc or
ambient in your neighborhood. Often, one is not aware whether sounds
are issuing or not, until the track drops out entirely and you realize
all that _had_ been there. Very intriguing stuff.
John Fahey Georgia Stomps, Atlanta Struts T of Elements
What can one say? More lovely, ruminative, obsessive solo guitar from
a 1997 live Chicago show. If you enjoy Fahey, this strikes me as the
best of his recent work, though lacking the electronic experimentation
of 'Womblife'. Covers 'Mood Indigo' here!
Fushitsusha Gold Blood Charnel House
Fushitsusha Withdrawe, .... Victo
I'd give the Victo the slight edge, but both are decent additions to
the ever-growing canon. Not noticeably different from his previous
output or as fine as the best from this band (for me, 'Pathetique'),
but enjoyable as usual. I think everyone on this list knows what to
expect by now.
Godspeed You Black Emperor! f#a#(infinity symbol) Kranky
Here's a group with potential, a nine piece Canadian band featuring,
in addition to guitars, basses and standard percussion, strings and
glockenspiels. Three long compositions, the first, and best, a
Badalamenti-ish descent into a noirish landscape which sustains the
eerie mood wonderfully. The other two are a little more staticly
episodic, varying from narrated voice-overs to washes of electronic
sound to Branca-inspired crescendos which are tightly played, a bit
too tight perhaps; I'd like to hear them "lose it" a bit more. Looking
forward to hearing them at Victoriaville.
Barry Guy Double Trouble Two Intakt
The pick of this here litter and, simply, one of the finest recordings
I've heard in years, even better than Guy's 'Theoria'. I've said it
before, but if you love the Mantler/JCOA recording from 1968 (and how
could anyone not?) this is as close as _anyone_ is coming to that
zeitgeist these days. A monumental piece featuring Crispell, Schweizer
and Pierre Favre, in five movements ranging from all-but-free to
anthemic (imagine Centipede multiplied in quality tenfold). A special
highlight is Evan Parker's incendiary twittering solo in the third
movement, but it's Guy's compositional drive and direction that makes
the day. Absolutely A+. Get it.
Rajesh Mehta w/Lovens Orka hatOLOGY
Back to earth. Mehta plays trumpet, bass trumpet and two trumpets
looped together by tubing. Unfortunately, the pieces here tend to be
merely expositions of this or that technique and are short on musical
content. Lovens, on 8 out of 11 tracks, does his best to liven up the
proceedings but, for the most part, one is left mildly intrigued by
how Mehta's getting a certain sound, but that's it.
Orchester 33 1/3 Orchester 33 1/3 Rhiz
Another band that bears watching, a German (or is it Austrian?) large
group that mixes free jazz with d 'n' b and anything else that's
handy. Coincidentally, given my association of his work with Guy's,
they do not one, but two versions of Mantler's great 'Preview' (here
called 'Review') one with Brotzmann (in a guest appearance) in the
Sanders role the other with (male, I take it) vocalist Didi Bruckmayr
taking the duties. That they both work is testament to the band's
abilities. Other pieces rise or fall depending somewhat on one's
affinity for the style being adopted (a reggae-ish number doesn't work
too well for me). Definitely worth keeping an eye on.
David Shea An Eastern Western Sub Rosa
I'm not quite as crazy about this as a few other posters have been. It
starts very strongly with the propulsive 'Dangerous Ground' and
continues in fine fashion with the delicately percussive 'A Spiral'.
After that, I find it fluctuates a bit, with some pieces, again,
basically evincing a certain technique (jaw's harps, overtone singing)
or, like the final dedication to Mario Bava, beginning with a nice
idea, but going on far too long. The pieces with Douglas are
interesting, but strike me more as sketches than finished work. A
mixed bag, overall.
Just one lister's two cents.
Brian Olewnick
PS. C'mon, _nobody's_ gotten the Dion McGregor disc yet??
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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:46:23 -0600
From: Craig Rath <fripp@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: cue sheets
At 07:31 AM 3/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Second choice would be a wave editor that reads cue sheets and would let me
>manipulate large wave files, either separate the file into several smaller
>files or maybe merge several files into one gigantic one. CoolEdit doesn't
>read cue sheets written by other software.
>
Don't know much regarding the Cue Sheet issue, but CDWAV can read in large
wav files and split them into smaller files quite well. It can be found
somewhere on this page: http://resource.simplenet.com/files/files.htm
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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:56:44 -0500
From: Michelle <golgi@sympatico.ca>
Subject: new music from Ostertag, Yoshihide & Bond
Hey everyone,
sorry for the spam... but I thought some folks on the list may be
interested.
- -m
- -->Seeland is proud to announce the advance release of the new CD:
PANTYCHRIST
PANTYCHRIST is -- =20
=95 Tokyo's premiere noise DJ Otomo Yoshihide
=95 San Francisco's sampling genius Bob Ostertag=20
=95 and NYC's neo-punk goddess Justin Bond=20
- -- all under one wonderous roof.
If the all-star line-up seems weird and unexpected, wait till you hear
the music! =20
Absolutely queer in every dimension -- including some we didn't know
existed!
Noise meets Noise meets Cabaret =20
Tokyo meets San Francisco meets NYC meets Venus
Godzilla meets John Cage meets Princess Grace
This CD will not be released to the stores until May 9, 1999. But you
can get an advance copy directly sent to you from the Seeland on-line
store at www.negativland.com. =20
Watch for the sister project House of Discipline, with Ostertag,
Yoshihide, and Mike Patton.
Post-modern, post-drag, post-performance, and leaking glamour like an
overheated radiator, Justin Bond is a drag legend in NYC and San
Francisco. Most notorious for fighting with Madonna at her own birthday
party, Andy Warhol's Interview describes Justin's work as "cabaret
performed as urban warfare." The Village Voice says, "You haven't
learned the true meaning of intimidation until (Justin) has crawled on
your table and stuck her bony, pantyhosed knee under your noise
shrieking 'Lick my leg, I'm on fire!' She's going to the seventh circle
of showbiz hell, and she's taking you with her."
Otomo Yoshihide has spent years at the cutting edge of Tokyo's noise
underground -- collaborating with Yamatsuka Eye, the Boredoms, leading
his own groups Ground Zero and ISO, and composing sound tracks for Hong
Kong kung fu films on the side.
Bob Ostertag has been at the forefront of electronic sound since the
late 1970s, releasing more than a dozen cd's and records. His previous
collaborators include avant garders John Zorn and Fred Frith, dyke punk
star Lynn Breedlove, rock star Mike Patton, the KronosQuartet, Anthony
Braxton and more. Bob has a solo CD available on Seeland.
PANTYCHRIST will be touring Europe and doing select dates in the US in
support of this release. At press time, dates include: =95 Gent,
Belgium (March 23), =95 Ulm, Germany, (March 24) =95 Basel (March
25), =95 Z=FCrich, March 26.
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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:08:15 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: new music from Ostertag, Yoshihide & Bond
On Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:56:44 -0500 Michelle wrote:
>
> Noise meets Noise meets Cabaret
> Tokyo meets San Francisco meets NYC meets Venus
> Godzilla meets John Cage meets Princess Grace
Yuk :-(
When you are so lucky to have smart artists like these ones on your label,
you could try to find a more original way to describe their music... Aren't
we all tired of these kind of comparisons (X meets Y meets Z)?
Anyway, that looks like a very exciting record and I am looking forward to
get it.
Patrice
.
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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 20:50:16 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@ctech.smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Recent Swag (longish)
brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
> Not all ultra-new things, but it's tough to catch up....
Thanks for posting these Brian! I find this sort of thing very useful...
> Aaly Trio w/KV Hidden In the Stomach Silkheart
Is there anyone else out there who really doesn't like Ken Vandermark's
playing? I love Mats Gustafsson most of the time but I find his more
"Chicago-oriented" records like FJF's 'Blow Horn' to be pretty boring... (same
goes for the recent 'Background Music' with Guillermo Gregorio and Kjell
Nordeson). Perhaps Brian would call me a sucker for the extended techniques but
for Gustafsson I much prefer the spastic intensity of discs like 'Frogging'
(w/Barry Guy) or 'You Forget To Answer' (w/Guy and Raymond Strid) to the more
standard "free jazz" blowouts. Gustafsson can certainly be an incredible
player.
> John Duncan/Bernhard Gunter Home, Unspeakable Trente Oiseaux
Can you tell what exactly its connection is to Morton Feldman's 'Neither'? I
know it was inspired by a line of Beckett's from 'Neither' but is there any
musical connection as well? I assume not... Has anyone heard Duncan's porn
soundtracks?
> Barry Guy Double Trouble Two Intakt
This sounds great. I'm assuming it's another LJCO disc... I've really liked
both 'Portraits' and 'Theoria' and will probably pick this up soon. Thanks for
letting us know about it!
> Orchester 33 1/3 Orchester 33 1/3 Rhiz
I really like this disc a lot. I picked it up after Jon Abbey's recommendation
(listen to this guys recs!) and had it playing non-stop for a little while. A
really eclectic disc but remarkably cohesive (I even have trouble listening to
a track without the conext of the others). Come on, how could you resist a
13-piece band with a DJ/conga/octopad player and a guy labeled as playing
"sound" in addition to a Peter Brotzmann guest spot? A great disc.
This label, Plag Dich Nicht, also released an interesting disc by the somewhat
slick experimental rock/funk group Shabotinski (with Eugene Chadbourne as
guest) and a fun disc of pop/dance music all performed on KORG synths by MK MS
20. I could totally see the guys in black leotards on SNL's "Sprocket" dancing
to this one! Dutch East India is the distributor for Plag Dich Nicht recordings
btw.
I've picked up a lot of things recently which I will comment on soon.
Thanks again Brian!
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 05:29:52 GMT
From: "johnnnnn schuller" <hotpoopy@hotmail.com>
Subject: subject:Looking for Seattle area musicians
Hello, I am getting ready to move to the Seattle area soon. New
job...anyway, I am an experimental guitarist/bassist looking for
musicians to do either free improv stuff or bad ass tight numbers, I am
flexible either way. I should have a cd of my latest project done very
soon. It is a guitar duo thing. It's very disturbing.
Also just looking for people to hang out with up there that like good
music.
Johnnnnnnnn
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 01:17:20 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Recent Swag (no Zorn content whatsoever)
Inspired by Brian, I hasten to mention the tasty items I purchased this
everning, all at quite reduced rates (and sealed!) at Academy:
Meat Puppets: Meat Puppets II & Up on the Sun (Rykodisc)
Two turning points for AZ-bred '80s SST band. The repackaging is nice,
very nice, with new notes by Derek Bostrom (on the recordings) and
contemporary critics to put it all into perspective, plus lyrics and
live reviews of the period. Each CD is enhanced with video, though I've
not yet checked out this feature. I'd quite forgotten both how special
these albums were, as well how different from one another: the first
drops the trio's early and ersatz hardcore pose for a more spacious and
country-influenced if more than a little ramshackle sound, while the
latter displays both a new instrumental prowess and songcraft far beyond
the more influential predecessor. Each comes packed with demos - the
"Meat Puppets II" demos actually sound a bit more polished than the
final takes, while the "Up on the Sun" demos are far weirder, wilder and
more ornately arranged, with marimba, synthesizer and spoken word
flourishes.
Low Fidelity All Stars: How to Operate with a Blown Mind (Columbia)
Not exactly sure what to make of this on one listen... enjoyable hip hop
beats and oddball texts from a claque of young Brit po-mos, as well as
dubby textures that led nicely to...
Various Artists: Dubwise & otherwise: A Blood and Fire Audio Catalogue
(Blood and Fire)
Exactly what it says it is, a sampler of the first 17 releases from the
mightiest dub reissue label in the world, according to Jon Abbey. Who
am I to disagree? It's brilliant, the first thing I've heard from the
label but surely not the last.
Caifanes: El Silencio (BMG Latin)
If this band sang in English, it most likely would have enjoyed
worldwide video hits, as their impassioned '80s style hard-edged yet
sensuous pop hooks were delivered by a singer with the drop dead good
looks of, say, Michael Hutchence (no pun intended whatsoever). That
they didn't was a testament to their passionate nationalism, which also
included little touches like Latin percussion and dance rhythms and the
occasional Mariachi horn chart. Leaders in the rock en Espanol scene, I
once saw Los Caifanes play to an immense crowd of young Latin kids in
Houston - an underground I hadn't even guessed to exist. They had Stu
Hamm on bass at that gig, I recall. They certainly had chops to match
their songcraft, and Adrian Belew's production gave this record an
altogether high-class sound and feel. I once owned all four of their
albums as well as the debut by the singer's next band, Jaguares, but
misguidedly got rid of them at some point in the past. Tonight I got to
make up for it at least a bit. Somehow this ended up ranked at #2 on
Chuck Eddy's list of the 100 best "metal albums" of the '90s in the
newly updated edition of "Stairway to Hell," even though it ain't
remotely metal...
(And one from last Saturday night's visit to Lethal Records in the East
Village:)
Meshuggah: Destroy Erase Improve (Nuclear Blast)
The reigning kings of complexity metal, this band very nearly convinced
me to haul my ass out to Asbury Park, NJ for a 35-40 minute set towards
the end of a two-day death metal fest this weekend, but they bailed out
over this past weekend and will open for Slayer at Roseland instead.
Can't wait. Jagged, intricate and incredibly fast riffage wedded to a
fierce shouter of a vocalist. This album is at least as good as the
newer "Chaosphere," and. with its greater variety of tempo and texture,
maybe even a bit better.
My two cents (or roughly sixty dollars) worth,
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Caifanes, "Tortuga," _El Silencio_
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