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Zorn List Digest         Sunday, March 7 1999         Volume 02 : Number 612



In this issue:
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       Re: What about John ?
       what are they up to?
       Re: CDr recording
       interesting stuff to do in the dc area?
       Re: interesting stuff to do in the dc area?
       Re: CDr recording
       Re: CDr recording
       TRACK ID please.....
       Re: Jean Derome
       I'm almost afraid to ask, but....
       Kaiser/Oswald/Goodman at Roulette
       Re: interesting stuff to do in the dc area?
       Re: CDr recording
       Re: CDr recording
       Re: CDr recording
       Martin Tetreault
       Re: Martin Tetreault
       Re: Martin Tetreault

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 20:33:42 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What about John ?

At 12:57 AM 3/7/99 +0100, Rob Allaert wrote:
>Hi JazZorns,
>
>And what about ... Erik Friedlander

The new Cadence mentions in their news column that Yoshi's will present
Erik Friedlander's Topaz (Satoshi Takeishi, perc; Stomu Takeishi, b; Andy
Laster, sax) on March 31.  Stomu Takeishi is the phenomenal bass player on
Henry Threadgill's most recent outing, and I hope this group makes a
recording sometime soon, they sound great.

As for JZ himself, he will be playing Victoriaville with Milford Graves.


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Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:29:34 -0500
From: madden <[e-mail]>
Subject: what are they up to?

HeLLo,

In regards to whoever asked about what Erik Friedlander is up to...
he is now beginning a tour of the USA and Canada to support the release
of his latest album _Topaz_ (on Siam records) which is a really fabulous
disc.  I also saw him a little over a week ago with John Zorn, Ikue Mori
and Jim Pugliese at Tonic in NYC.
He has a rather nice website:  www.erikfriedlander.com  --all his
current projects and info are avaliable on this site.
Dave Douglas is on tour with his Tiny Bell Trio project, but he was also
playing at Tonic a week ago with Sean Lennon, Yoko Ono, Dougie Bowne and
the girls of Cibo Matto (among and others)... as he was curating Tonic
for the month of February.
Marc Ribot is playing gigs often in NYC, last week he played at the Knit
with John Zorn and Jamaaladeen Tacuma.
Anthony Coleman?  Greg Cohen?  Good question.  Does anyone know??

michelle

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:47:41 +0100
From: Nils Jacobson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: CDr recording

[e-mail] wrote:

>>I've noticed that the track lengths can even differ from copy to copy.
>
> This is not possible.  My guess is that you have some software problems.

Excuse me, I don't think it's your place to tell me that my experience is
not possible.  The professional software I used was Charismac's Discribe,
which works by first establishing a hard disc image, then transferring it
to the burner.  My burner is a 6X Yamaha (don't remember the model number
off hand) and my computer is a 292 MHz G3 Mac.  The difference was about a
second or so.  I never tracked down exactly where it occurred.

> Copying music digitally is just like copying anything else digitally--
> youre just copying bits.  You either copy them accurately or you dont.
> If you dont for some reason, the result will most likely not be
> something you could describe as duller, brighter, etc, but you will
> hear obvious "glitches" or other digital-related noise, that does not
> happen in the analog domain.

I don't think this is accurate.  The hypothesis I've been working with
here is that CD audio data utilizes less check bits than regular software
data (so more music can be crammed onto a disc).  So when an error arises,
it is less subject to correction by the software en route.  I don't know
this to be true, but my observations tell me that the music loses detail.
And it's not just my setup, either.  I can improve the clarity of the
music by changing the write speed, for example.  Perhaps a different
mechanism?  Again, please don't tell me my experience is impossible.

Try a net search for CDr media comparisons, and you will find a site
(which I have, subsequent to my search, lost) that documents in great
detail how every CDr music copy has a significant number of errors which
distinguish it from the original.

The point is, I have been unable to make a "perfect" CD copy, and I've
tried pretty hard.  For those people who think they can archive their
collections using a CD burner, this is an important consideration.
Perhaps we can continue the details of this discussion via email.

- -Nils

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:44:58 -0500 (EST)
From: alissa bader <[e-mail]>
Subject: interesting stuff to do in the dc area?

hi there, sorry if this is way off-topic...

I've recently moved to the dc area (from nyc, yet) and I must say...I'm at
a loss for cultural stuff to do here.  Where are all the decent record
shops?  What about venues and stuff?

I must say, sometimes it's depressing no longer living a 15-minute walk
from the knitting factory.

you can send replys to me at [e-mail], if you wish, and I
again apologize for any off-topicness here.

- --alissa


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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:34:13 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: interesting stuff to do in the dc area?

On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, alissa bader wrote:

>
> hi there, sorry if this is way off-topic...
>
> I've recently moved to the dc area (from nyc, yet) and I must say...I'm at
> a loss for cultural stuff to do here.  Where are all the decent record
> shops?  What about venues and stuff?

Culture here tends to consist of the big ticket stuff that corporations
get tax credits for supporting, so we have orchestras, operas, ballets,
and more huge art museums than supermarkets, but little on the grass-roots
levels. Coming here after living in Austin and NYC was a definite change.
Some of us have taken it on ourselves to get the music going.

Decent record shops are hard to find here in DC. I've found some good
stuff at DCCD, and I hear favorable word about Flying Saucer. I tend to
wait until I'm in NYC or Texas to do my CD binges.

To find the Zorn-list-like music, get on the dc-improv mailing list,
hosted at wnur.org
There's a good array of info about gigs at
http://www.pressroom.com/~lartis/transparent/AllSched.html
Transparent Productions, who host the site, do a good job of getting what
new-jazz-related-music down as they can.

Your first mission is to appear at the Tiny Bell Trio gig at State of the
Union Monday night. See the aforementioned Web page for details. Once
there, ask around.

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:38:22 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: CDr recording

In a message dated 3/6/99 11:47:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> [e-mail] wrote:
>
>  >>I've noticed that the track lengths can even differ from copy to copy.
>  >
>  > This is not possible.  My guess is that you have some software problems.
>
>  Excuse me, I don't think it's your place to tell me that my experience is
>  not possible.

My comment "this is not possible" was not in reference to track lengths
differing on CDr copies. (That is very possible.) It was in reference to other
things I said, which you left out of the quote.  When copying things
(anything) digitally, it is a lossless medium.  If your copies arent like the
originals, then there is a problem.  Rest of discussion taken up via email.
- -Jody

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:03:59 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: CDr recording

On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> (anything) digitally, it is a lossless medium.  If your copies arent like the
> originals, then there is a problem.  Rest of discussion taken up via email.

while i'm sure this thread has probably
veered off-topic for this list, i am really
interested in the tech details.
can someone keep me in the loop of
these discussions or point me to websites
with more info?

i am aware of the CDR FAQ, but any
additional info would be great.

www.fadden.com/cdrfaq

thanks.

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:53:02 +1030
From: "BLA BLA BLA" <[e-mail]>
Subject: TRACK ID please.....

I'm sure someone here is bound to know.....

I'm looking for a song called Congruences......I believe its on a french
label, its ccontemporary classical.....

can't tell you much more than that.......

.diz.



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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:59:09 +0200
From: Stephen Fruitman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jean Derome

>For those of you who know Jean Derome's and Vinny Golia's respective
>works pretty well, could I get some recommendations?

Not my area of expertise at all, but Jean Derome=B4s _Hommage =E0 Georges
Perec_ is a wonderful piece. He filled the studio with Montreal musicians
of various stripes and played a medley of 50s & 60s pop songs mentioned by
Perec in one of his novels. Both structured and extremely informal,
tongue-in-cheeky and very respectful of the power of pop culture, it works
both as a piece in itself and as a nice complement to the aesthetic to
which the late, great French novelist subscribed. On Ambiances Magn=E9tiques=
=2E

Stephen Fruitman
Dept of the History of Ideas
Umea University
S-901 87 Umea Sweden



- ---------------

Bj=F6rn Olsson,
Inst. f=F6r id=E9historia,
Ume=E5 universitet
901 87 Ume=E5
tel. [phone] fax 143374



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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 09:31:51 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: I'm almost afraid to ask, but....

...has anyone heard the Dion McGregor album?

Brian Olewnick

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 09:45:20 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kaiser/Oswald/Goodman at Roulette

Henry Kaiser made a rare NYC appearance last night along with pianist
(and story teller) Greg Goodman (first ever NYC concert) and John Oswald
on alto. Appropriately for two left-coasters and a Canadian, a
pleasantly laid-back atmosphere was in effect, with Goodman warming up
the audience by reading humorously bizarre news items from a file he
keeps at hand (he made this a practice seveal times through the evening;
on one occasion, Kaiser took over, telling a funny/scary shark story.)
The music, yes there was music, was quite good, free improv staying in
large part in the quieter sector, but flaring up when necessary, Kaiser,
was predominantly in Bailey-mode, only rarely, on electric, summoning up
vaguely rockish licks. He had a nice habit of walking over to the player
whose sounds were intriguing him at the moment, as if having a
particularly intimate conversation. Oswald fluttered away on alto,
providing the rudest noises and squawks; he was especially impressive
during the high energy points. The unexpected highlight, for me, was
Goodman, who proved to be a very adept _listener_, consistently picking
up on what the others were playing and elaborating on it. I'd like to
hear more from him, on his own (wouldn't surprise me to learn he's spent
a good portion of his career as an accompanist). Roulette
owner/trombonist Jim Staley sat in for one lovely, long piece which
concentrated on subtle, ghostly drones. A fine show, and nice to see the
space packed for once.

Brian Olewnick

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:35:35 -0500 (EST)
From: alissa bader <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: interesting stuff to do in the dc area?

On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Joseph S. Zitt wrote:

> To find the Zorn-list-like music, get on the dc-improv mailing list,
> hosted at wnur.org

wow, and I know many a wnur alumnist (alumna?)  so, an extra reason to
check out that list...

> Your first mission is to appear at the Tiny Bell Trio gig at State of the
> Union Monday night. See the aforementioned Web page for details. Once
> there, ask around.

thanks for all the info!  --alissa


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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:13:18 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: CDr recording

<< > (anything) digitally, it is a lossless medium.  If your copies arent like
the
 > originals, then there is a problem.  Rest of discussion taken up via email.

quoted yol:
 while i'm sure this thread has probably
 veered off-topic for this list, i am really
 interested in the tech details.
 can someone keep me in the loop of
 these discussions or point me to websites
 with more info? >>

Include me too, please.  I'm a newbie at this CD-R thing, owning a unit for
about a month.  I'm very open to this area of discussion.

=dgasque=

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 11:39:41 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: CDr recording

At 11:47 PM 3/6/99 +0100, Nils Jacobson wrote:
>
>Perhaps we can continue the details of this discussion via email.

I'm not a gearhead either, but I also am trying to dump some of my old
vinyl to CD, and as I've already made three or four coasters and no
successes, I really appreciate this discussion.  I think we're probably
reaching the tail end, but here's another plea to keep it public.  With as
many subjects as we discuss on this list, somebody's always hitting the
delete key on something.  If we must take it offline, please keep me in the
loop too.

Thanks.


- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 12:58:26 -0600
From: Craig Rath <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: CDr recording

At 11:39 AM 3/7/99 -0500, "Caleb T. Deupree" wrote:

>
>I'm not a gearhead either, but I also am trying to dump some of my old
>vinyl to CD, and as I've already made three or four coasters and no
>successes, I really appreciate this discussion.  I think we're probably
>reaching the tail end, but here's another plea to keep it public.  With as
>many subjects as we discuss on this list, somebody's always hitting the
>delete key on something.  If we must take it offline, please keep me in the
>loop too.
>

The FAQ that 'SUGAR in their vitamins' mentioned is a good place to start
(http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/).  It contains answers to most questions you
might have on general CDR recording.  Another one (which I think is
referenced within the Fadden FAQ) is
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~abcomp/lp-cdr.htm - this one is specific to
the vinyl transfer process.

A couple of shareware packages that help in the process as well are
WaveRepair (which makes removing clicks and pops much easier) -
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~abcomp/wavrep.htm - and CDWAV, which aids
in cutting your recorded album sides into individual tracks of the proper
number of bytes (if they aren't, you can get an annoying click in between
tracks, especially if the two tracks merge together sound-wise) -
http://resource.simplenet.com/files/files.htm - this site also has a bunch
of other interesting and useful CDR related files.

I see no problem with continuing this discussion here as long as there are
enough people interested.



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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:54:16 -0500 (EST)
From: eric ong <[e-mail]>
Subject: Martin Tetreault

Hello,

I was wondering if I could get some opinions on the 3 Tetreault-involved
discs off Ambiances Magnetiques.  I almost picked up the trio disc with
Mori and Labrosse today, but thought I'd better ask first.  I have his
solo Audioview disc and like it quite a bit.

Thanks for any help.
Sincerely,
eric.


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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 17:01:23 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Martin Tetreault

In a message dated 3/7/99 3:56:04 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< I was wondering if I could get some opinions on the 3 Tetreault-involved
discs off Ambiances Magnetiques.  I almost picked up the trio disc with
Mori and Labrosse today, but thought I'd better ask first.  I have his
solo Audioview disc and like it quite a bit. >>

I'm a big Tetreault fan. the wild thing about that Audioview disc is that it
was done in one take with no overdubs, which just amazes me.

all three of the AM Tetreault records are very good. it just depends on what
your taste is as to the other musicians, and in the case of the Callas
tribute, how you feel about a lot of Callas samples. I personally prefer the
trio with Mori and Labrosse, but I also love the duet record with Rene Lussier
(Art Lange's favorite record of 1998). the Callas record isn't to my taste as
much, but I've heard more than one opinion that this is the best of the three.
I don't think you can go too wrong with these, especially if you're already a
fan. just pick the combo you think will appeal to you the most.

the Cristoph Heemann show last night was very good. I had had my expectations
severely lowered by seeing a night and a half of David Tibet's pretentious
emoting, and the Heemann opening set Friday consisted of him playing a 20
minute CD-R from offstage, which was a fairly bland dronescape. with Tibet
scheduled to open again last night, I almost decided to bag the whole thing,
but I'm glad I didn't.

this time Heemann was actually out on stage, thankfully. it was hard to get
close enough to tell exactly what he was doing, but he seemed to be mixing in
sounds from various CD-Rs, tone generators, and gradually tweaking the whole
thing. he created a really nice, languid soundfield with a fair amount of
interesting ideas floating around. the performance lasted more than an hour,
and he definitely had stretches where he was out of ideas, but most of it was
very well done. all in all, nothing too revolutionary, but pretty satisfying.

the crowd seemed pretty split between Current 93 disciples who were too dazed
to leave, and HNAS fans hoping to get a chance to see their hero, even if he
hasn't made much interesting music in the last five years. everyone loved it,
though, and he got thunderous applause at the end, and did a 15 or 20 minute
encore.

Jon

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 19:26:04 -0500
From: James Hale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Martin Tetreault

eric ong wrote:

> I was wondering if I could get some opinions on the 3 Tetreault-involved
> discs off Ambiances Magnetiques.

I just finished reviewing the latest AM recordings for Coda, and
Tetrault is all over the compilation called Inedits -- recordings by AM
artists that were never released. He shows up with Jean Derome (8
tracks), Diane Labrosse, Rene Lussier and a track of his own.

It's AM050 for anyone who's interested in it.

James Hale


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