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Zorn List Digest       Wednesday, March 3 1999       Volume 02 : Number 607



In this issue:
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       "Hagans"/sex Mob
       piano music
       Fred Frith concert
       Re: NYT music coverage
       Re: "Hagans"/sex Mob
       cd halflife
       Re: cd halflife
       Either/Orchestra Tour Dates
       New Naked City
       Re: New Naked City
       Re[2]: NYT music coverage
       Re: cd halflife
       Re: New Naked City
       RE(2): NYT music coverage
       Re: NYT music coverage
       Re: NYT music coverage
       RE: new Shea (another two cents)
       Re: new Shea (another two cents)
       Re: new Shea (another two cents)
       Zorn-scored films on tape
       Re: Tim Hagans
       Jazziz [was Re: NYT music coverage]

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 01:41:04 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <[e-mail]>
Subject: "Hagans"/sex Mob

About "Hagans"
> Is this just a kind of ironic comment on Hagans' Animation-Imagination?
> Or ironic comments on Hagans' playing on Animation-Imagination? Are you
> meaning Hagans same as Prince (Nelson)?
> I listened a couple of tracks from Animation-Imagination and seemed
> rather interesting. Any thoughts?

Hmm, not to offend anyone, but I heard the promo of this and thought it
was a pretty lame attempt at doing warmed-over 90s hard-bop trumpeting
over "drum and bass".  The liner notes made it seem like the folks at Blue
Note had really made a discovery with this, like they were really being
rebellious.  But then I only picked it up b/c I saw Human Feel gtrst. Kurt
Rosenwinkel's name on it, and I don't really know anything about the
others.

About Sex Mob, Patrice R. wrote:>
> They ended up to do mainly covers during the second set (and it was becoming
> a little bit boring to my taste), but the public was so enthousiastic that I
> could not blame them for switching to more accessible material (and trying
> to please the public that was really reacting to their music).
>
> They had a great success and they deserve it.

This was my exact impression of the show they did here in NC; they
definitely knew who the audience was and played to it, for better and for
worse, depending on what you were wanting to hear.  Bernstein was yet
another of my recent radio interview victims, although it was more like
him interviewing me! He's definitely outgoing, to put it mildly.  They all
ame, unexpectedly, to the station and played into one microphone (muted
sax and trumpet, travel guitar, and snare drum) during the interview.
They played 'New Orleans', 'Ruby Tuesday', and 'Happy Birthday', which I
thought was kind of an unusual combination.

WY


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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 02:19:24 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: piano music

does anybody know where i could get some of zorns piano music?

rodrigo

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:42:28 +0200
From: "J.T. de Boer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fred Frith concert

Hi all,

Fred Frith will give a solo-performance in the USVA-Theatre in
Groningen, The Netherlands on sunday,March 21.
The admission is fl 12,50 and the concert starts at 21.30.

USVA-Theatre
Munnekeholm 10
9711JA Groningen
The Netherlands
[e-mail]
031 (0)50 3634670

Thanks,

Jeroen de Boer
music director USVA-Theatre
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
Jeroen de Boer
student Arts & Arts Policy
University of Groningen, The Netherlands
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 08:22:05 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NYT music coverage

On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:54:45 -0500  Perfect Sound Forever wrote:
>
> >In other words the only way we can fight back is to support independent
> >publications like CODA and Cadence and independent labels.
>
> Of course Ken is right.  We should support these publications so that
> they'll stay around and continue to do good work.
>
> But.  Let me suggest something a little unhip also.  Why not petition the
> larger publications to cover more interesting artists than whoever's in the
> top 40 this week?  If there were enough people to write in, they would have
> to take some kind of notice that there was a hunger for this.

What larger publications do you have in mind? JAZZIZ, which used to be the
bible for ultra-lite jazz, has always a couple of articles on non-mainstream
players (Briggan Krauss in the last issue, for example). DOWN BEAT does a
fairly good job also.

In fact, based on the interest that this music produces, I have the impression
that the coverage is well above the reader's interest. When JAZZIZ started (a
couple years ago) to cover jazz outside the "jaccuzzi" genre, I almost thought
that they were commiting suicide. We are just lucky that big fans of the genre
are writing for all these magazines (Lange, Corbett, etc).

I would have a hard time to ask for more.

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:30:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: "Hagans"/sex Mob

I don't know, maybe Steve just gets off on "Happy Birthday". Speaking to
him after the set at Tonic last October, I mentioned I was in town because
it was my birthday. "You should have told me during the set," he said.
"We could have played Happy Birthday."

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]



On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, William York wrote:.

  Bernstein was yet
> another of my recent radio interview victims, although it was more like
> him interviewing me! He's definitely outgoing, to put it mildly.  They all
> ame, unexpectedly, to the station and played into one microphone (muted
> sax and trumpet, travel guitar, and snare drum) during the interview.
> They played 'New Orleans', 'Ruby Tuesday', and 'Happy Birthday', which I
> thought was kind of an unusual combination.
>
> WY
>
>
> -
>
>

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 99 12:33:35 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: cd halflife

Among all the CD buyers on this list, there's got to be a tekkie that can help
me. Remember about a decade ago, when CDs were new and the naysayers were saying
that they would undigitize and become unplayable. I've heard that that was true
for early discs, but the problem was resolved. Well, it seems like my copy of
Tom Waits' Frank's Wild Years, one of my first purchases, is beginning to
develop skips that can't be cleaned away. I feared the same was true of
"Spillaine," but that one I managed to clean, even though there was no visible
dust or scratches. Can anyone school me on care and love for your aging CDs?

And new ones, while I'm at it. I just bought "Tri-Danielson" by the Danielson
(extended) Famile (any fans?), and it plays on my CD-Rom, but not on my stereo.
What can I do?

Thanks. Respond privately, if you prefer:[e-mail]



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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:47:50 +0100 (MET)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: cd halflife

> Tom Waits' Frank's Wild Years, one of my first purchases, is beginning to
> develop skips that can't be cleaned away. I feared the same was true of
> "Spillaine," but that one I managed to clean, even though there was no visible
> dust or scratches. Can anyone school me on care and love for your aging CDs?

only way to avoid this completely is probably to get your turntable back
from the attic....
buy all the nice unpayable originals of the best records of all time and
you'll have fun with them until you are dead and gone


BJOERN


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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:54:07 -0500
From: "Heather and Jeff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Either/Orchestra Tour Dates

One of the greatest working groups in America:  The Either/Orchestra!!

3/10 Ann Arbor
3/11 Grand Rapids
3/12 & 13 Chicago
3/14 Des Moines
3/15 Sumner
3/16 Madison
3/25 Somerville, MA
3/28 Waltham, MA

For more detailed info www.accuraterecords.com

JK
[e-mail]




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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 18:00:43 +0000
From: "Scott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Naked City

OK. For the unbelievers, Music Boulevard has a listing for Naked City's
Radio V.1, an Avant Release due 28th Feb.

Check it out at
http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/0704094038920483599_43_430859

Scott

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:13:58 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: New Naked City

Oh, and how did MusicBlvd become "in the know" on this subject?  All I'm
trying to say is that when I want to get reliable CD information
(especially on Avant etc. discs) I don't go to MusicBlvd or CDNow...

Dan Hewins


At 6:00 PM +0000 3/3/99, Scott wrote:
>OK. For the unbelievers, Music Boulevard has a listing for Naked City's
>Radio V.1, an Avant Release due 28th Feb.
>
>Check it out at
>http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/0704094038920483599_43_430859
>
>Scott
>
>-




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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 99 12:27:26 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re[2]: NYT music coverage

     Patrice wrote:

>I would have a hard time to ask for more.

As usual, Patrice knifes to the heart of the matter.

Though one may complain, as I have, about the critical standards employed by
writers for the Times or elsewhere, it's probably appropriate to stand back a
bit and consider how fortunate it is to have ANY written criticism in major
outlets of, for purposes of this discussion, new music.

An example I've been thinking about lately: The Brotzmann tentet put out by
Okkadisk in a limited edition of 1000. Here we have a almost universally
acclaimed release, appearing on numerous critical 10 best lists, possibly a
unique one-time-only event. I picked up my copy shortly after its release and
felt lucky to get my hands on ol' #168. A couple of weeks ago, a friend
mentioned that he had picked it up. Hmmmm, I thought. Let's assume he didn't get
the very last copy in existence. Let's say 750 copies have been...sold (leaving
out distribution copies). Now, that's not a lot of people; probably a good
portion are on this list. Yet, if that same Tentet were playing at the Knit this
weekend, I'd "expect" the Times to run a review! For who? The 100 people in
attendance and the other 100 who couldn't make it?

Do you ever get the feeling, as I do, that there are more writers covering new
music than there are fans of it? In that sense, whatever I consider their
shortcomings to be, I have to be thankful (even surprised) that they're out
there in whatever publication, providing air-time for this fairly private
obsession of ours.

End of sermon.

Brian Olewnick






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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:26:14 -0800
From: "Dave Egan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: cd halflife

This sounds to me like the first sign that your CD player is worn out.  Try
playing the discs on someone else's CD player.  I'll bet they'll be fine.

- - Dave

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 9:33 AM
Subject: cd halflife


>
>Among all the CD buyers on this list, there's got to be a tekkie that can
help
>me. Remember about a decade ago, when CDs were new and the naysayers were
saying
>that they would undigitize and become unplayable. I've heard that that was
true
>for early discs, but the problem was resolved. Well, it seems like my copy
of
>Tom Waits' Frank's Wild Years, one of my first purchases, is beginning to
>develop skips that can't be cleaned away. I feared the same was true of
>"Spillaine," but that one I managed to clean, even though there was no
visible
>dust or scratches. Can anyone school me on care and love for your aging
CDs?
>
>And new ones, while I'm at it. I just bought "Tri-Danielson" by the
Danielson
>(extended) Famile (any fans?), and it plays on my CD-Rom, but not on my
stereo.
>What can I do?
>
>Thanks. Respond privately, if you prefer:[e-mail]
>
>
>
>-


- -

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 10:28:20 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: New Naked City

On Wed, 03 Mar 1999 18:00:43 +0000  "Scott" wrote:
>
> OK. For the unbelievers, Music Boulevard has a listing for Naked City's
> Radio V.1, an Avant Release due 28th Feb.

And so what? Since when annoucements from record distributors are supposed
to be taken without a grain of salt?

Many Avant records were recently put on the American market, and I can't
remember the number of times they were presented as if being new
releases (when in fact they had been release 4-5 years ago).

This Naked City has been unavailable on the American market for a while.
Nice to see it available again.

    Patrice.

- -

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:34:51 -0500
From: "Heather and Jeff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE(2): NYT music coverage

Let's face it, the word of mouth that this generates is much more
significant than anything written in the NY Times.  I haven't been in retail
for a while, but when I was an article on Charlie Haden in the Sunday Times
boosted Charlie's sales for months.  A similar article on Zorn (I'm thinking
of a Bar Kokhba review I think) did little or nothing to increase sales.
Let's take what we can get and not worry about what others think.  Plus a
big review would cause Ltd. Ed. CD's to sell out and we'd be mad that the
"real" fans couldn't get 'em.

Just my opinion

JK
[e-mail]



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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 15:41:09 -0500
From: James Hale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NYT music coverage

Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> JAZZIZ, which used to be the
> bible for ultra-lite jazz <snip> We are just lucky that big fans of the genre
> are writing for all these magazines (Lange, Corbett, etc).

In the case of Jazziz, the increase of coverage (and covers even!) of
David S. Ware, Matt Shipp et.al., is due to the presence of Larry
Blumenfeld as editor. Larry has the respect of many writers who see
beyond the commercial association with the Jazziz name, and also has big
ears himself.

Lange, Corbett and numerous other writers (myself included) are
particularly passionate about music outside the mainstream, but if
editors and publishers weren't open to alternatives it wouldn't run.

Just compare the amount of non-mainstream coverage in Jazziz or (to a
lesser extent) Down Beat to what JazzTimes does and you'll see what
difference leadership makes.

When it comes down to it, there are only about a dozen or so of us out
there pitching alternative stories and reviews to the major
publications. The openness of the editors make all the difference.

Right now, Jazziz seems to be the most adventurous of the majors, but
remember, wasn't that long ago that Art Lange had DB wide open. It all
moves in cycles.

James Hale


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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:38:53 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NYT music coverage

On Wed, 03 Mar 1999 15:41:09 -0500  James Hale wrote:
>
> In the case of Jazziz, the increase of coverage (and covers even!) of
> David S. Ware, Matt Shipp et.al., is due to the presence of Larry
> Blumenfeld as editor. Larry has the respect of many writers who see
> beyond the commercial association with the Jazziz name, and also has big
> ears himself.

Thanks for clarifying and putting back the role of the editor in the
opening (and quality) of some publications. This is something kind of
hard to assess (the role of the editor) from the outside (not knowing
the mechanism at work).

    Patrice (fast to blame the editor when the quality is low, but
        who fails to thank him when the quality is up).

- -

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 19:32:48 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: new Shea (another two cents)

At 03:37 PM 3/1/99 -0500, Vanheumen, Robert wrote:
>
>what's this new shea album compared to tower of mirrors? i only own this
>one and prisoner, but i like tower of mirrors far far more...

His later work (also including Satyricon) is much more focused, and has
many fewer samples from movies and other cultural detritus.  The new album
includes duets, for example, which sample the other artist and only work
with those samples (e.g., the Dave Douglas pieces).  I had another listen
to Tower of Mirrors and had forgotten all the 1984 quotes (just saw that
movie for the first time, I'll probably be hearing samples from it all over
the place now) and other atmospherics.  The new one is also a collection of
individual pieces, not a slowly evolving whole, as was ToM.

HTH.


- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:51:44 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new Shea (another two cents)

Any news about a Russ Meyer project by David Shea?

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 20:08:29 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new Shea (another two cents)

At 04:51 PM 3/3/99 -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
>Any news about a Russ Meyer project by David Shea?

Not around here.  Sounds interesting though.

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 22:14:14 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn-scored films on tape

Does anybody have any of the films that Zorn has scored on videotape?
Preferably NTSC with subs but I'd take anything.  If so I've got plenty of
rare and hard-to-find films to trade.

LT
- ----------------------------------------------
Lang Thompson
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4

World Cinema Review
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4/wcr.htm

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 01:19:24 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tim Hagans

[e-mail] wrote:

> On March 1st Steve Smith wrote:
>
> >NP- (The Artist Formerly Known as Tim) Hagans, "Slo-Mo"
> >_Animation-Imagination
>
> Is this just a kind of ironic comment on Hagans' Animation-Imagination?

Oh, no, not at all!  I quite like the disc, very unironically.  It's
actually one of the better jazz/drum'n'bass things I've heard, especially
for one originating from the jazz side of the fence.  (There's actually a
healthy young "live" drum'n'bass scene swelling up on the lower east side
at clubs like Izzy Bar and Shine, with drummers playing tiny little cymbals
and super tightened drums at massive BPM to get that sped-up sound!)

No, I was merely riffing on the fact that, if you look carefully, the disc
is in fact credited to "Hagans," not "*Tim* Hagans," thus my not-so-clear
joke.  The disc is well worth hearing.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Jussi Bjoerling, "Celeste Aida" (Verdi), _Great Recordings of the
Century: Jussi Bjoerling_


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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 01:49:29 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jazziz [was Re: NYT music coverage]

James Hale wrote:

> In the case of Jazziz, the increase of coverage (and covers even!) of
> David S. Ware, Matt Shipp et.al., is due to the presence of Larry
> Blumenfeld as editor. Larry has the respect of many writers who see
> beyond the commercial association with the Jazziz name, and also has big
> ears himself.

Agreed.  Props are also due his assistant editor Dante Sawyer, who not only loves
this music but is willingly based in Gainesville, FL, where he gets to hear
precious little of it live, in order to work on the magazine while Larry lives in
Brooklyn!  I salute his fortitude.

The other thing is that Larry often takes an interesting tack on the articles about
the music to I'd never choose to listen.  The Rachel Z. article in the February
issue was a case in point - I'd not choose to listen to her smooth jazz stuff or
her flat out pop stuff, but the article in which she discussed her reasonsing for
her personal journey from opera training to jazz to smooth jazz to pop was actually
fairly interesting.

(Plus, in the swinishly shameless self-promotion department, I've just started
doing some writing for Jazziz.  Look for a piece about free improvisers
circumventing the recording industry by starting microlabels with their CD-R
burners in the May issue, and a Horace Tapscott remembrance and an article on the
video "Rising Tones Cross" in the June issue.)

> Right now, Jazziz seems to be the most adventurous of the majors, but
> remember, wasn't that long ago that Art Lange had DB wide open. It all
> moves in cycles.

Lange still writes on some fairly adventurous stuff for Pulse! but seems lately to
have taken a more serious interest in the producing he's been doing for hatOLOGY -
not a bad thing.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Jussi Bjoerling, "E la solita storia" (Cilea), _Great Recordings of the
Century: Jussi Bjoerling_


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