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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #606
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, March 2 1999 Volume 02 : Number 606
In this issue:
-
Re: Idiot Flesh (plus Iceburn, now)
Re: cobra
Tim Hagans
Re: Tim Hagans
Re: Horace Tapscott RIP
Re: Sex Mob / Herbie Nichols
Re: Sex Mob
cobra rules (was Re: Morricone & Trovaioli & Cobra)
Sex Mob
Re: Sex Mob
New Naked City?
Re: New Naked City?
Re: cobra rules (was Re: Morricone & Trovaioli & Cobra)
Re: cobra rules (was Re: Morricone & Trovaioli & Cobra)
Re: Sex Mob
Re: New Naked City?
Re: New Naked City?
Re: New Naked City?
Re: NYT music coverage
Re: Sex Mob
Re: cobra rules (was Re: Morricone & Trovaioli & Cobra)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 01:52:22 PST
From: "Douglas Clarke" <dugc@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Idiot Flesh (plus Iceburn, now)
>i think idiot flesh also used 2 blow up tofu on stage. or that might
have been
>acid rain (kinda the same band sort of, i think)
Yeah, Acid Rain and Idiot Flesh are one in the same. Actually, I think
that the rite of spring was recorded when they were acid rain.
- -Dug
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 01:54:52 PST
From: "Douglas Clarke" <dugc@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: cobra
>Which Cobra cd has the rules printed in its booklet?
The yellow double cd (studio/live) with cartoons of children playing on
the cover. It also includes a neat postcard!
- -Dug
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 99 08:20:49 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: Tim Hagans
On March 1st Steve Smith wrote:
>NP- (The Artist Formerly Known as Tim) Hagans, "Slo-Mo"
>_Animation-Imagination
Is this just a kind of ironic comment on Hagans' Animation-Imagination?
Or ironic comments on Hagans' playing on Animation-Imagination? Are you
meaning Hagans same as Prince (Nelson)?
I listened a couple of tracks from Animation-Imagination and seemed
rather interesting. Any thoughts?
Hugo
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:32:25 -0600 (CST)
From: Paul Audino <psaudino@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Tim Hagans
On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 hulinare@bemberg.com.ar wrote:
> On March 1st Steve Smith wrote:
>
> >NP- (The Artist Formerly Known as Tim) Hagans, "Slo-Mo"
> >_Animation-Imagination
>
> Is this just a kind of ironic comment on Hagans' Animation-Imagination?
> Or ironic comments on Hagans' playing on Animation-Imagination? Are you
> meaning Hagans same as Prince (Nelson)?
The album is credited to "Hagans," not "Tim Hagans"
Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat,
Paul
psaudino@interaccess.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:37:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Horace Tapscott RIP
Not to mention bassists, saxophonists and the like. After all, all deaths
are untimely.
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
N.P. Local (Toronto) community radio station jazz program tribute to
Tapscott, skedded after I altered them of the death. We're father away,
but we try.
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Steve Smith wrote:
>
> ===================================================
>
> Man, is it me, or is this turning out to be a bitch of a year for great
> jazz pianists young and old?
>
> Steve Smith
> ssmith36@sprynet.com
> NP - Tim Hagans, "Hud Doyle," _Animation-Imagination_
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:19:37 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Sex Mob / Herbie Nichols
has anyone out there heard Sex Mob? Your opinions would be helpful.
Also; does anyone know offhand how many tracks Herbie Nichols
recorded for (?) Savoy in 1952? I've found SWonderful and three
originals: are there more?
Sean Wilkie.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:45:45 -0800
From: Jason Tors <jtors@organic.com>
Subject: Re: Sex Mob
Sex Mob runs hot and cold for me. Steve Bernstein can have off nights and
brings down the whole band. It can be frustrating because the other players
are so hot, he can be a bit controlling. When it works, it really works.
Sex Mob live is real entertainment, Berstein can be really humorous and
wail his ass off. Their album has some real high points, then some of the
tracks drag for me.
>has anyone out there heard Sex Mob? Your opinions would be helpful.
>
>Also; does anyone know offhand how many tracks Herbie Nichols
>recorded for (?) Savoy in 1952? I've found SWonderful and three
>originals: are there more?
>
>Sean Wilkie.
>
>-
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:15:19 EST
From: Sulacco@aol.com
Subject: cobra rules (was Re: Morricone & Trovaioli & Cobra)
In a message dated 3/2/99 2:26:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
anubis9@concentric.net writes:
> I don't think there is a printed
> list of the rules, although it's possible someone here might have some such
> thing...
funnily enough, i do. i have sitting in front of me a copy of the rules that i
got from the man himself (very generous, i think). they r far more xtensive
than that little postcard in the cobra hat art cd. lemme know if i should post
it as an attachment. i know peole might b hesitant about d/ling something when
they r unsure of the source.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 99 14:50:53 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: Sex Mob
>Sean Wilkie asked:
>has anyone out there heard Sex Mob?
Well, I did, and it's highly recommended; very energetic, very groovy
and funny. Highlights include covers from Prince, Beatles, and more fun
with Macarena alla Berstein. There's an outstanding blues I can't recall
the name.
Also great playing from Briggan Krauss on alto sax and John Medeski on a
couple of tunes.
No tracks drag for me.
Happy listening!
Hugo
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 10:04:54 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Sex Mob
On Tue, 2 Mar 99 14:50:53 -0300 hulinare@bemberg.com.ar wrote:
>
> >has anyone out there heard Sex Mob?
Saw them last night and they were a lot of fun. Briggan is getting better
and better and it was really a pleasure to see them being able to mix
free blowing on top of a fairly mainstream base. As a result, they caught
both types of audiences: the (supposed) demanding one, and the regular one
which just came to have a good time.
The first set was more challenging, with more free playing and less
predictable moments.
They ended up to do mainly covers during the second set (and it was becoming
a little bit boring to my taste), but the public was so enthousiastic that I
could not blame them for switching to more accessible material (and trying
to please the public that was really reacting to their music).
They had a great success and they deserve it.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 18:51:59 +0000
From: "Scott" <scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: New Naked City?
Someone forwarded m ethe folloding info, reputedly from a forthcoming Naked
City disc. Anybody got any ideas? (sorry about format)
"Radio V.1". Track listing:
1.
Asylum
2.
Sunset Surfer
3.
Party Girl
4.
Outsider
5.
Triggerfingers
6.
Terkmani Teepee
7.
Sex Fiend
8.
Razorwire
9.
Bitter And The Sweet
10.
Krazy Kat
11.
Vault
12.
Metaltov
13.
Poisonhead
14.
Bone Orchard
15.
I Die Screaming
16.
Pistol Whipping
17.
Skatekey
18.
American Psycho
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:56:18 EST
From: Sulacco@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Naked City?
In a message dated 3/2/99 1:53:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk writes:
> "Radio V.1". Track listing:
this album was already released
naked city - radio - avant 003
although yr listing seems 2 b missing the track called shock corridor
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:02:39 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: cobra rules (was Re: Morricone & Trovaioli & Cobra)
On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 Sulacco@aol.com wrote:
> funnily enough, i do. i have sitting in front of me a copy of the rules that i
> got from the man himself (very generous, i think). they r far more xtensive
> than that little postcard in the cobra hat art cd. lemme know if i should post
> it as an attachment. i know peole might b hesitant about d/ling something when
> they r unsure of the source.
While many of us are drooling at the prospect of seeing this, it might be
good form to check with The Man Himself before posting -- often an
author/composer/etc will give something to someone (or let that person
copy/tape/etc it) without intending it to be disseminated more widely.
Since Zorn tends to be keenly aware of these things, he may or may not
allow it, but will almost certainly have a relevant opinion.
Also: sending attachments to a mailing list is often a problem, since many
people use mail readers that cannot handle them. It would be more useful
(and consume a lot less bandwidth) to put the file somewhere
Web-accessible and email the URL to the list.
- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1----------
|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:08:07 EST
From: Sulacco@aol.com
Subject: Re: cobra rules (was Re: Morricone & Trovaioli & Cobra)
In a message dated 3/2/99 2:04:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jzitt@humansystems.com writes:
> While many of us are drooling at the prospect of seeing this, it might be
> good form to check with The Man Himself before posting -- often an
> author/composer/etc will give something to someone (or let that person
> copy/tape/etc it) without intending it to be disseminated more widely.
> Since Zorn tends to be keenly aware of these things, he may or may not
> allow it, but will almost certainly have a relevant opinion.
good point. hadn't really considered that. don't wanna step on any toes,
that's 4 sure.
> Also: sending attachments to a mailing list is often a problem, since many
> people use mail readers that cannot handle them. It would be more useful
> (and consume a lot less bandwidth) to put the file somewhere
> Web-accessible and email the URL to the list
i'll c what i can do
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:29:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Sex Mob
I had the opposite experience the one time I saw Sex Mob at Tonic last
October. The groupo was in essence a pick-up band with peter
Apfelbaum (reeds), Tom Rainey (d) and a bassist who shall remain
nameless. Anyways the bassist seemed to be a frsh-outa-school kid who
wasn't too sure of himself, but Bernstein lead him and the other members
through the somewhat-unfamiliar material in such a way that the overall
impression was of a fine show.
Roger McGuinn & whomever = The Byrds
Steve Bernstein & whomsever = Sex Mob
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Jason Tors wrote:
> Sex Mob runs hot and cold for me. Steve Bernstein can have off nights and
> brings down the whole band. It can be frustrating because the other players
> are so hot, he can be a bit controlling. When it works, it really works.
> Sex Mob live is real entertainment, Berstein can be really humorous and
> wail his ass off. Their album has some real high points, then some of the
> tracks drag for me.
>
> >has anyone out there heard Sex Mob? Your opinions would be helpful.
> >
> >Also; does anyone know offhand how many tracks Herbie Nichols
> >recorded for (?) Savoy in 1952? I've found SWonderful and three
> >originals: are there more?
> >
> >Sean Wilkie.
> >
> >-
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:58:55 +0000
From: "Scott" <scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: New Naked City?
>Someone forwarded m ethe folloding info, reputedly from a forthcoming Naked
>City disc. Anybody got any ideas? (sorry about format)
>
>"Radio V.1". Track listing:
>
>Scott,
>
>Those are the tracks from the original disc. Supposedly a Vol. 2 was planned
>but, I think according to Patrice's discography, it's never been recorded.
I know these titles match the original release and I also know Patrice has
another volume listed, just wondered if anyone knew of an actual release?
Seems to me we should have heard it here first...
Scott
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:01:02 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: New Naked City?
On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:58:55 +0000 "Scott" wrote:
>
>
> I know these titles match the original release and I also know Patrice has
> another volume listed, just wondered if anyone knew of an actual release?
> Seems to me we should have heard it here first...
According to Wayne Horvitz, the music of RADIO, VOL. 2 was never recorded.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - RADIO, VOL. 2: Naked City
This record was supposed to contain John Zorn's arrangements of compositions
by Jerry Goldsmith, Ornette Coleman, Brian Wilson, Igor Stravinsky, Duke
Ellington, Tushima Toshiaki, William Orbit, George Clinton, etc.
19?? - Avant (Japan), Avan 005 (CD)
Note: not released; in fact it has never been recorded.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:50:15 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: New Naked City?
> Tushima Toshiaki
Who is this? I can only guess it is the guy who wrote that Graveyard of
Honour piece, but surely someone out there knows for certain...
And while on the subject of T.T. names, I went to a concert a little while
ago which featured a work by Toru Takemitsu. It was kind of slow and quiet,
not what you would expect considering he was listed on Radio as an
influence for Terkmani Teepee. Does anyone know of any of his works that
more fit this role?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:54:45 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Re: NYT music coverage
>In other words the only way we can fight back is to support independent
>publications like CODA and Cadence and independent labels.
>
>Ken Waxman
Of course Ken is right. We should support these publications so that
they'll stay around and continue to do good work.
But. Let me suggest something a little unhip also. Why not petition the
larger publications to cover more interesting artists than whoever's in the
top 40 this week? If there were enough people to write in, they would have
to take some kind of notice that there was a hunger for this.
Jason
Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
perfect-sound@furious.com
http://www.furious.com/perfect
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:00:15 -0800
From: "Dave Egan" <degan@excell.com>
Subject: Re: Sex Mob
The Sex Mob CD is great! I bought it unheard, because of the local
connection (Briggan Krause). I put it on, and the band nearly jumped out of
the stereo, going for my neck. They REALLY wanted me to listen to what they
were doing! I nearly jumped out of my chair. I was really looking forward
to their Seattle appearance last Sunday. The music was both substantial and
fun. Patrice, you're right - Briggan just sounds better and better. It was
a great show, and everyone on the scene was there. There was one thing I
was dissapointed about though. Zony Mash was to open the show, but Wayne
Horvitz was sick and couldn't make it. I was looking forward to Wayne
sitting in with Sex Mob, which certainly would have happened. Also, Sex Mob
only did one set.
I can see why Sex Mob might have an off night if Steven is not really on.
He really dominates, "conducting" the band pretty closely. He encouraged
people on a lot, but a couple of times he told Kenny to shut up pretty
abruptly. Everyone seemed to have a lot of fun on the bandstand Sunday
night, but I could easily see it going the other way if Steven were pissed
off or something.
- - Dave
- ----- Original Message -----
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Sex Mob / Herbie Nichols
>has anyone out there heard Sex Mob? Your opinions would be helpful.
>
>Also; does anyone know offhand how many tracks Herbie Nichols
>recorded for (?) Savoy in 1952? I've found SWonderful and three
>originals: are there more?
>
>Sean Wilkie.
>
>-
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:00:43 -0800
From: "toddlike" <toddlike@2xtreme.net>
Subject: Re: cobra rules (was Re: Morricone & Trovaioli & Cobra)
If we (Zorn list members) get permission to post the cobra rules, I've got a
ton of unused web space to post it. Since Zorn has just signed with a music
publishing outfit (I heard this from the folks at Tzadik), this is probably
an unlikely event.
Todd
- -----Original Message-----
From: Joseph S. Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
To: Sulacco@aol.com <Sulacco@aol.com>
Cc: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: cobra rules (was Re: Morricone & Trovaioli & Cobra)
>On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 Sulacco@aol.com wrote:
>
>> funnily enough, i do. i have sitting in front of me a copy of the rules
that i
>> got from the man himself (very generous, i think). they r far more
xtensive
>> than that little postcard in the cobra hat art cd. lemme know if i should
post
>> it as an attachment. i know peole might b hesitant about d/ling something
when
>> they r unsure of the source.
>
>While many of us are drooling at the prospect of seeing this, it might be
>good form to check with The Man Himself before posting -- often an
>author/composer/etc will give something to someone (or let that person
>copy/tape/etc it) without intending it to be disseminated more widely.
>Since Zorn tends to be keenly aware of these things, he may or may not
>allow it, but will almost certainly have a relevant opinion.
>
>Also: sending attachments to a mailing list is often a problem, since many
>people use mail readers that cannot handle them. It would be more useful
>(and consume a lot less bandwidth) to put the file somewhere
>Web-accessible and email the URL to the list.
>
>- ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1----------
>|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
>||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
>|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
>
>
>-
>
>
- -
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