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Zorn List Digest        Tuesday, March 2 1999        Volume 02 : Number 605



In this issue:
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       japan
       Re: Pulse magazine article
       NYT music coverage
       Re: Idiot Flesh
       Re: Idiot Flesh
       Re: NYT music coverage
       RE: new Shea (another two cents)
       Re: Idiot Flesh
       Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #603
       Horace Tapscott RIP
       Kosugi?
       Re: Idiot Flesh (plus Iceburn, now)
       Re: Idiot Flesh (plus Iceburn, now)
       morricone
       trovaioli
       cobra
       Morricone & Trovaioli & Cobra
       Re: morricone
       Re: Morricone & Trovaioli & Cobra

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 07:42:43 PST
From: "Mary Ho" <[e-mail]>
Subject: japan

I'm moving to Japan (an hour away from Tokyo and Nagoya) in a couple of
months and was wondering if anyone on this list lives there and can give
me the inside scoop on shows and whatnot.  Since I don't speak or read a
lick of Japanese, I'll need the extra help on whose coming to town.

E-mail me privately.
Thanks,
Mary

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:42:30 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Pulse magazine article

In a message dated 3/1/99 11:00:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> http://www.towerrecords.com/pulse/99/mar/classical/zorn.html
 <A HREF="http://www.towerrecords.com/pulse/99/mar/classical/zorn.html">Tower
Records - Classical - Pulse - March 1999</A>

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:47:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: NYT music coverage

As an outsider (i.e. non-New Yorker and non-American), who has been
reading the so-called jazz coverage in the Times since the days of John
S. Wilson, I can't say that I'm surprised by any recent articles. Jon P.
and the others are just reflecting what has always been the policy of the
Times and any other major media outlet: puff the establishment.

Thus over the past few years the NYT has served as unpaid pr flak for
Wynton Marsalisand his retro-friends. Bebop has finally become the safe,
straight music of the elite, replacing swing and the NYT must pay fealty
to the top. Marsalis (and to a lesser degree) Jon Faddis are supported
because they're now the figureheads of the sort of large architectural
structures that exist in which the monied class can show they're cultured.
Jazz is now "America's classical music" because it has the temples to go
with it-- Lincoln Center and Carnegie Hall.

Besides that, music writing in the mainstream media is filtered through
major label releases, many of which are owned by the same conglomerates
which own the media outlet. Thus "trends" to take the most obvious, the
bogus Young Lions phenomenon, are recognized by those media outlets because
the pre-recorded software division of the same conglomerate have decided
to maximize profit by pushing X number of young players. That phenomenon
disappears, when the so-called "music" division drops those players to
make money with soundtracks or uptown country or whatever.

In short, outside of mere repetition of facts, don't expect anything
regarding serious criticism from those sorts of outlets. The parallel
situation exists in reportage on cinema (blockbuster numbers are
important, plots aren't); theatre (Broadway mega musicals are important,
regional dramas aren't) ad infinitum.

In other words the only way we can fight back is to support independent
publications like CODA and Cadence and independent labels.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:28:50 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Idiot Flesh

aren't these the guys that arranged rite of spring for rock band? i hope i'm
not confusing them w/some1 else

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 10:50:55 PST
From: "Douglas Clarke" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Idiot Flesh

>From: [e-mail]
>
>aren't these the guys that arranged rite of spring for rock band? i
hope i'm
>not confusing them w/some1 else

Yeah, I forgot about that. They released it as their (first?) demo tape.
That was quite a while ago though.

- -Dug

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 99 13:53:59 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: NYT music coverage

     Ken wrote:

>As an outsider (i.e. non-New Yorker and non-American), who has been
>reading the so-called jazz coverage in the Times since the days of John
>S. Wilson, I can't say that I'm surprised by any recent articles. Jon P.
>and the others are just reflecting what has always been the policy of
>the Times and any other major media outlet: puff the establishment.

Far be it from me to defend major news media, and someone with more
inside info may well correct me, but I doubt things are quite that
conspiratorial at the Times. Depending on the tastes of whoever the Arts
editor is at the time, more or fewer "official" events may get covered
and, given the small likelihood that said editor is a free music fan,
it's not surprising if, when it comes to jazz coverage, Marsalis and his
ilk receive most of the ink. Pareles, Watrous et al _do_ occasionally
review borderline events and clearly have a knowledge base of that music
to work off. The problem is, for me, that they rarely, if ever, write
anything penetrating or passionate about it, unlike Palmer in years past.
(BTW, it was nice, in the same Sunday section, to see Gregory Sandow back
in an NYC paper again; he and Tom Johnson having been two of my favorite
new music critics). As I implied in my previous post, whatever one thinks
of his tastes or politics, Stanley Crouch at least has a certain passion
for his subject (and he wrote some extremely fine pieces during his
Village Voice tenure; one on Betty Carter sticks in mind). In any case, I
lay blame for the low standards as much on the critics involved as on the
editorship or owners.

>In short, outside of mere repetition of facts, don't expect anything
>regarding serious criticism from those sorts of outlets. The parallel
>situation exists in reportage on cinema (blockbuster numbers are
>important, plots aren't); theatre (Broadway mega musicals are important,
>regional dramas aren't) ad infinitum.

Hey, as lackluster as the new music criticism there might be, don't even
start about the film critics! What a shallow, miserable bunch, whether
they're reviewing the latest schlock from Spielberg or a 16mm student
work. One yearns for the "elitism" of Vincent Canby, if only to cleanse
one's palate.

Brian Olewnick



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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:37:18 -0500
From: "Vanheumen, Robert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: new Shea (another two cents)

what's this new shea album compared to tower of mirrors? i only own this
one and prisoner, but i like tower of mirrors far far more...

thanks
robert


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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 19:16:50 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Idiot Flesh

At 10:50 AM 3/1/99 PST, Douglas Clarke wrote:
>>
>>aren't these the guys that arranged rite of spring for rock band? i
>hope i'm
>>not confusing them w/some1 else
>
>Yeah, I forgot about that. They released it as their (first?) demo tape.
>That was quite a while ago though.

Rite of Spring was also done by Birdsongs of the Mezozoic, a Boston-based
band with Roger Miller (not the country star), Erik Lindgren, Martin Swope
and Rick Scott.  I think some of their albums are still available from
Wayside.


- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:25:43 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #603

David Newgarden wrote:

> I found the accompanying 'pop/art' article by (below Pareles' article)
> the normally stodgy (cabaret/singer-songwriter/film specialist) Stephen
> Holden a far more interesting and relevant take on the 'state of music'.

Seconded.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - (The Artist Formerly Known as Tim) Hagans, "Slo-Mo,"
_Animation-Imagination_


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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:51:32 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Horace Tapscott RIP

From rec.music.bluenote circa this afternoon:

Horace Tapscott, trombonist, pianist, composer, arranger, founder of the
Pan
Afrikan Peoples Arkestra, and community activist died Sunday morning
February,
28th only hours before a concert in tribute to his life was held that
afternoon
at Washington High School in Los Angeles.  Even though suffering from
inoperable cancer Horace remained hopeful and in good spirits to the
very end.
On Friday afternoon he told well wishers that he would be performing at
the
tribute concert.  Unfortunately that was not to be.

The tribute concert performers included Pharoah Sanders, Dr. Art Davis,
Billy
Higgins, Billy Childs, Teddy Edwards, Clora Bryant, George Bohannon,
Bobby
Bradford, Roberto Miranda, Michael Sessions, the Watts Prophets, a trio
led by
Horace's grandson teenage drummer Labell Tapscott, and the Pan Afrikan
Peoples
Arkestra among many others. More than 800 people attended.  The Los
Angeles
Times, the area's only major newspaper, did not consider the tribute to
be of
significant enough interest to its readers to cover the event.

Anyone wanting information about  the Horace Tapscott Memorial Fund
should call
[phone] or [phone].

Mac Black

===================================================

Man, is it me, or is this turning out to be a bitch of a year for great
jazz pianists young and old?

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Tim Hagans, "Hud Doyle," _Animation-Imagination_


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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:03:09 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kosugi?

I've recently gotten acquired quite a hankerin' for Japanese
composer/violinist/etc. Takehisa Kosugi, and I'm wondering what
recordings of his there may be that I don't know of. I already have or
know of the following:

Takehisa Kosugi - Violin Improvisations (Lovely)
Takehisa Kosugi - Violin Solo 1980 N.Y.C. (P-Vine)
Taj Mahal Travellers - August 1974 (P-Vine)
Group Ongaku - Music Of (HEAR sound art library)
Moto Yoshizawa / Takehisa Kosugi / Haruna Mayake - Angels Have Passed
(PSF)

...and his playing on David Tudor's '3 Works For Live Electronics' and
David Behrman's 'Leapday Friday Night' (both on Lovely) as well as John
Cage's 'Music For Merce Cunningham' (Mode). I understand there's also a
video of a Kosugi performance put out by HEAR sound art library.

So what am I missing?

Also, does the Scratch Orchestra have any recordings available?

Thanks!

                                -Tom Pratt


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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 00:22:40 -0500
From: Circle9 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Idiot Flesh (plus Iceburn, now)

Idiot Flesh might have done it, but you might also be thinking of Iceburn- who
do a phenomenal rave-up on it, in my opinion (perhaps "rave-up" isn't quite the
proper term...). Very King Crimson-y, but looser- reminded me alot of KC's
"Larks Tongues in Aspic" and "Providence" in particular. Very unlike anything
else from them. It's a split CD w/ a group called "Engine Kid" who I've never
heard anything else by. Anyone familiar w/ these cats, have any recommendations?

[e-mail] wrote:

> aren't these the guys that arranged rite of spring for rock band? i hope i'm
> not confusing them w/some1 else


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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:29:20 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Idiot Flesh (plus Iceburn, now)

In a message dated 3/2/99 12:27:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

> you might also be thinking of Iceburn

nope. never heard of em. sound like they would b cool tho

i think idiot flesh also used 2 blow up tofu on stage. or that might have been
acid rain (kinda the same band sort of, i think)

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:35:51 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: morricone

Does anybody have the Morricone collection "Mondo Morricone", and if so is
it good?

How about the soundtracks to "Citta Violenta" and "La Lucertola"? Are these
consistently good, or are the themes (found on "best of" collections)
enough?


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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:44:14 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: trovaioli

Actually, while I'm on the subject of soundtracks, does anyone know of a
good cd (or 2) of Armando Trovaioli's music?


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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:06:10 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: cobra

Sorry for multiple posts, but this is my last for today...

Which Cobra cd has the rules printed in its booklet?


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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 23:28:23 -0800
From: Gene Natalia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Morricone & Trovaioli & Cobra

    You're obviously questing after songs that Mr. Bungle has covered, seeking
after those Morricone pieces and Trovaioli, but why limit yourself to just
those glimpses of these two great artists?  I suggest you just buy a whole
bunch of their stuff.  Incidentally, "Una Lucertola con la Pelle di Donna"
means "a lizard with the skin of woman," which is a title of a track on
Patton's Adult Themes for Voice.
    I suggest the "Ennio Morricone Anthology: A Fistful of Film Music" as a
good starting point.  This has Citta Violenta's theme on it, but the entire
two cd's worth of Morricone are wonderful.  THEN, find the cd called "La
Paura secondo Ennio Morricone" which means "Horror according to Morricone":
 a great compilation of his music for horror films, which includes "La
Lucertola," and lots of other neat horror tunes.  I wouldn't worry too much
about tracking down the entire soundtracks to Una Lucertola con la Pelle di
Donna and Citta Violenta.  They're a pain to track down, and most Morricone
soundtracks are little more than a single, albeit delightful theme
elaborated upon in different variations.  So, if you have the theme itself,
you can probably do without the variations, unless you become a Morricone
completist...which would be an awful fate for your bank account.
    As for Armando Trovaioli, I suggest you pick up one of the Right Tempo
label's Easy Tempo compilations.  They all feature great Italian cinematic
music, and almost every volume has a Trovaioli track or two on it, and they
often have a Morricone track to boot.  In addition, they will introduce you
to tons of other greats of Italian film music like Umiliani, etc.  I think
one of the volumes actually has the Trovaioli tune that Bungle covered,
"Cassanova 70," I believe it was called.  Maybe it was on Volume 3...I
forget which.
    Finally, as for which Cobra cd "has the rules printed in its booklet," I
think you mean the 2 cd one on Hat Art, which has a kind of chart of the
cards that Zorn uses, and provides SOME information, but I sure as hell
don't know the rules after looking at it.  I don't think there is a printed
list of the rules, although it's possible someone here might have some such
thing...

                            -Ethan


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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:46:11 +0100 (MET)
From: FJG_Lamerikx <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: morricone

Julian,

You seem to come from a Mr. Bungle background, given the specifics of your
questions below...

> Does anybody have the Morricone collection "Mondo Morricone", and if so is
> it good?

It is VERY good, and so is its follow-up, "More Mondo Morricone". Unfortunately,
the series stopped after these two gems. Another very good Morricone sampler
that concentrates on the erotic/cheesy material (it even has some overlap with
the Mondo Morricone records) is "Morricone A Go! Go!". Unfortunately, this
is only available in Japan, and will set you back a few bucks if you want to
order it from there.

> How about the soundtracks to "Citta Violenta" and "La Lucertola"? Are these
> consistently good, or are the themes (found on "best of" collections)
> enough?

Don't know about the full "Citta Violenta", but the two tracks I know are
excellent. "La Lucertola" is good throughout, but the title track is by far
the best piece. A Morricone soundtrack that is consistently brilliant is
"Violenza: Quinto Potere". This might also interest you, because Mike Patton
named that "Violence5" track of his first solo album after this one. Another
very good one is "Holocausto 2000". Another recommendation, although it only
consists of three tracks, is Morricone's soundtrack for Pier Paolo Pasolini's
amazing movie "Teorema". This can be found on a CD in conjunction with two
other Pasolini soundtracks, viz. "Uccelacci e Uccelini" and "Le Streghe".

Trovaioli - his stuff is pretty much hit-or-miss. The one to get would
probably be "Casanova '70", but that one is extremely hard to find. The vinyl
version changes hands for $100. I've never seen a CD version of it (which
does not mean it doesn't exist, I'm just saying I never saw one).

I would also recommend Piero Picioni's "La Decima Vittima" ("The Tenth Victim").
Pretty cheesy, with some cool organ playing and wordless vocals throughout.
It has recently been re-released by the Italian Easy Tempo label, both on CD
and vinyl. The new sleeve sucks though, and is no comparison to the original
1965 sleeve.

And now get some Peter Thomas stuff...

Frankco.


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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:50:04 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Morricone & Trovaioli & Cobra

>     You're obviously questing after songs that Mr. Bungle has covered,
seeking
> after those Morricone pieces and Trovaioli, but why limit yourself to
just
> those glimpses of these two great artists?  I suggest you just buy a
whole
> bunch of their stuff.
>     I suggest the "Ennio Morricone Anthology: A Fistful of Film Music" as a
> good starting point.  This has Citta Violenta's theme on it, but the
entire
> two cd's worth of Morricone are wonderful.  THEN, find the cd called "La
> Paura secondo Ennio Morricone" which means "Horror according to
Morricone":
>  a great compilation of his music for horror films, which includes "La
> Lucertola," and lots of other neat horror tunes.  I wouldn't worry too
much
> about tracking down the entire soundtracks to Una Lucertola con la Pelle
di
> Donna and Citta Violenta.  They're a pain to track down, and most
Morricone
> soundtracks are little more than a single, albeit delightful theme
> elaborated upon in different variations.

Well no, you actually have me a bit wrong. I do know of Mr Bungle covering
those themes, but I actually found those 2 cds and was wondering whether
they were worth getting since I like the themes so much - I wondered
whether they were as you say "a single, albeit delight theme elaborated
upon in different variations" or whether they were brilliant from start to
finish. Incidentally I already own the anthology you speak of, plus about 8
other Morricone discs. I am aware that there are over 300 Morricone cds
around, and don't want all of them. I just wanted to know whether it was
more advisable to settle for one track on an anthology, or to get either of
the complete Lucertola or Citta Violenta soundtracks.

In terms of Trovaioli, there you've got me - I've heard a few samples of
his stuff and wasn't too impressed, but it could have been a one-off thing.
However, I really love the Mr Bungle track... Any chance you could tell me
for sure which cd contains it?


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