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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #604
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Zorn List Digest Monday, March 1 1999 Volume 02 : Number 604
In this issue:
-
Glenn Spearman
Charming Hostess
The "new" David S. Ware Quartet - a first report
Re: Alanis
Just out of the blue...
Re: Just out of the blue...
Re: Charming Hostess
Re: Just out of the blue...
Re: NYtimes - State of Music?
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #603
Re: Re: NYtimes - State of Music?
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #603
Cheating, Lying, Stealing
Re: Cheating, Lying, Stealing
Re: Charming Hostess
Re: Charming Hostess
Re: Charming Hostess
Re: Idiot Flesh
Classical Pulse!
Pulse magazine article
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 02:17:09 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Glenn Spearman
> Anyone have any sound clips for Glenn Spearman: Blues For Falasha
> Looks interesting. Any recommendations?
I think this is pretty strong. The first few minutes are a spoken part,
then there are two semi-long, quieter tracks, followed by the 28 min. main
movement. The thing is, this follows some of the same dynamics that often
drive me crazy with a lot of free jazz, but it just seemed like this one
really worked. Sorry I can't be more specific... As far as the Radical
Jewish Culture part being explicit in the music, there are a few little
chanting samples and some sort of mid-eastern tinges, but its not like a
free-jazz klezmer album.
WY
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 00:20:33 -0700
From: sasanborn <sasanborn@micron.com>
Subject: Charming Hostess
Has anyone on the list heard the group Charming Hostess? Very unique mixture
of styles, with some
Klezmer thrown in. Was wondering if anybody has any of their full length
releases? Thanx for any info.
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 03:03:10 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: The "new" David S. Ware Quartet - a first report
Last night in New York City, a new day was ushered in for the formidable
David S. Ware Quartet, as new drummer Guillermo E. Brown made his debut
with the band. And this was a most auspicious debut, as former drummer
Susie Ibarra had left a fairly indelible impression with many listeners
during her tenure with the band, leaving three of the strongest albums
in the Ware ouevre.
Of course, a first gig is hardly indicative of the long-term
relationship Brown will have with Ware, Shipp and Parker. And a large,
hugely amplified gig in a big hall is hardly indicative of the actual
organic relationship between four musicians on a more intimate
bandstand. But Brown, a tall, dreadlocked man in his '20s, comes from a
far different place than Ibarra, and this has a different effect on the
band as well.
The primary difference would seem to be this: Brown seems to come
equipped with, and colored by, a well-honed working knowledge of rock
and funk drumming. His take on such "straight time" pieces as "The
Aquarian Sound" (the opener) and "Mikuro's Blues" (the closer) were thus
much less stylistically indebted to "classic Coltrane quartet"-era Elvin
Jones, and more aligned to a funk/r'n'b/rock conception. He also
occasionally employed breakbeat-style rhythms familiar from recent drum
'n' bass, which really put a different spin on the music. (But don't go
imagining some arcane jungle remix of the Ware sound... it was really
only inserted where it seemed to fit.)
None of this should imply that Brown's playing on the free tunes (I
believe the second tune was "Wisdom Through Time" and I know the third
one was "The Way We Were") was less than convincing. It was fine, and
even through massive amplification one could sense that there was in
fact some fairly sensitive detail in his playing. This band is in my
opinion so much more suited to more intimate club dates, but certainly
one can understand their enthusiasm for blowing for nearly 3000 Sonic
Youth alt-rock kids (though many of us, alas, are hardly kids
anymore...).
Lost is Ibarra's delicacy, variety of touch and sound, and sheer sensual
poetry in motion. And only a more intimate setting will prove what this
particular band is capable of producing. But Brown clearly has
something unique to offer in the context of the DSW4, and the other
players are assuredly open to the new sounds. Ware in particular was
huge and fierce this evening, more energized and powerful than in any
other recent performance in memory (and this is the fourth time I've
heard him since last summer).
Since this was hardly a typical gig for the DSW4, I look forward to
reading what Rrrrrick Lopez and others have to say about the Buffalo gig
next Friday. Overall, I am sorry for the loss of Ibarra, but am
decidedly interested in hearing how this new young drummer will further
push this band.
As for Sonic Youth, they played a fine gig, including most of the
material from their latest album. They included one tune from _Dirty_
("Sugar Kane"), one from _Experimental Jet Set_ ("Bull in the Heather")
and two from _Daydream Nation_ ("Eric's Trip" and the totally cool set
closer "Teenage Riot," concluded with a well-choreographed drama of
guitar feedback). The encore, much to my personal delight, included two
tunes from _EVOL_ ("Shadow of a Doubt" and "Tom Violence" - I'd dared to
hope for the latter all night) and a DNA cover, I kid you not, with Lee
imitating Arto's guitar, Kim singing Arto's vocal part, Thurston on bass
and Steve sticking to the low toms for Ikue Mori's part)
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Wu-Tang Clan, "Duck Seazon," _Wu-Tang Forever_
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 13:16:03 +0100
From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Alanis
> << > NP - Alanis Morrisette on the Grammies
>
> I saw/heard some of that. I must say, I never heard her before and
> based on this introduction I'll be slow to return. Perhaps I'm
> just a fuddy-duddy.
> >>
>
> If you are Eric, you're certainly not alone here!! :-)
Don't like the song either - but I think David Campbell's string arrangement
is quite good. He's done some interesting work in otherwise forgettable
mainstream songs.
Kind regards,
- Chris.
----------------------------------------------------
Chris Genzel -- stamil@t-online.de
----------------------------------------------------
Discographies of
Herbie Hancock, Michael Beinhorn & Bennie Maupin at:
http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/
----------------------------------------------------
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:19:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase)
Subject: Just out of the blue...
I paid a visit to Bill Frisell's home page and noticed that the counter
is over 1.9 million. How can that be when most people I talk to have
never heard of the guy?
- -a big fan...
}Theodorus--
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 13:17:36 EST
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Just out of the blue...
In a message dated 2/28/99 10:21:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, Vlad-
Drac@webtv.net writes:
> I paid a visit to Bill Frisell's home page and noticed that the counter
> is over 1.9 million. How can that be when most people I talk to have
> never heard of the guy?
You didn't hear?? He's HUGE now. The kids love him. And counters are never
wrong!
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:12:30 -0500
From: "joshua m. yorke" <scc02861@mail.wvnet.edu>
Subject: Re: Charming Hostess
you may want to check out the IRC channel #bungle.fever on EFnet... there are
quite a few Charming Hostess fans who are regulars....
a fond farewell,
yorkdork
sasanborn wrote:
> Has anyone on the list heard the group Charming Hostess? Very unique mixture
> of styles, with some
> Klezmer thrown in. Was wondering if anybody has any of their full length
> releases? Thanx for any info.
>
> -
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:41:47 EST
From: Nvinokur@aol.com
Subject: Re: Just out of the blue...
and I only visit the site 10 times a day
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:47:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: NYtimes - State of Music?
Maybe the correct statement should be that: Jazz is America's Jazz Music.
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
N.P.: Richard Grossman, Trio In Real Time
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:58:52 -0500 (EST)
From: David Newgarden <dn@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #603
Re: NYtimes - State of Music?
Tom Pratt wrote:
>It's sort of funny how the writer entirely neglects any contemporary
>"classical" music and makes no mention of any contemporary "jazz" outside
Wynton >Marsalis. If this man were more in touch with the avant-garde,
which is a very logical
>extension of its roots, he would very importantly see that not all
composed
>music is fixed and repeatable. Ever heard of Cage, Wolff, Brown, Feldman,
>Stockhausen and so on and so on?IZornI Butch MorrisIAMMIFluxusI
Actually, Pareles is very aware of all this but for whatever reason
ignores it in the context of this article. I'm actually more disappointed
that he perpetuates the notion of jazz as Great American Art (or
"America's Classical Music") to the exclusion of
country/bluegrass/blues/gospel (not to mention rock or hip-hop, which has
been relegated to 'devil's music' status by some, as jazz/blues was
earlier in this century). No slight to jazz, but it's not the only
interesting and important strain of 20th century American music, not the
only one with 'depth' and 'nuance', which 'rewards knowledgeable
listeners' and not the only one (in addition to classical) worthy of
government and foundation grants, university study and scholarly analysis.
If Wynton merits a new jazz hall at Lincoln Center built by taxpayer
dollars, then John Fahey, Olu Dara, Sweet Honey In The Rock, Eugene
Chadbourne, and the Klezmatics should at least get a communal shack or
yurt on 66th St........... Then again, maybe it's better that tax dollars
not be spent on the arts...
Steve Smith wrote:
>And Jon's premise - that to call jazz "America's classical music" is
>misguided and unfair to jazz - then to go on to demonstrate his thesis in
>the way that he does seems, well, more than a little silly...
>But that seems so patently obvious that I can't see why Pareles
>felt he needed to expend the energy to write this vague thought piece,
>unless it's just a reaction to the Ellington fever at Lincoln Center this
>year, or unless he was asked to contribute "something about jazz" to what
>otherwise seems to be a classical supplement.
It seems that Pareles is a far less thought-provoking essayist than he was
15 years ago (though maybe because I was a teenager at the time?) and that
the general quality of the Times music writing (as well as the specific
accuracy of factual/historical information) has gone way downhill in
recent years... Maybe there's just too much music for them to keep track
of these days?
I found the accompanying 'pop/art' article by (below Pareles' article)
the normally stodgy (cabaret/singer-songwriter/film specialist) Stephen
Holden a far more interesting and relevant take on the 'state of music'.
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 18:48:29 EST
From: Slntwtchr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: NYtimes - State of Music?
haven't had a chance to get to the paper today, but apparently there's an
article in the ny times called 'please don't say jazz is america's classical
music', or something to that effect. if i get a chance tonight, i'll try to
post a summary of it, if no one else gets a chance to first.
peace,
dave
___________________________________________________________
bill laswell, eraldo bernocchi, mick harris and lori carson discographies at :
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093
___________________________________________________________
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 20:34:27 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #603
David Newgarden wrote:
> ...should at least get a communal shack or
> yurt on 66th St........... Then again, maybe it's better that tax dollars
> not be spent on the arts...
Special commendation to the first use of the word "yurt" on the z-list.
Way to go, Dave!
> It seems that Pareles is a far less thought-provoking essayist than he was
> 15 years ago (though maybe because I was a teenager at the time?) and that
> the general quality of the Times music writing (as well as the specific
> accuracy of factual/historical information) has gone way downhill in
> recent years...
My thoughts precisely. Way, way back (like the 70's), there was only the
late Robert Palmer (and, sometimes, John Rockwell) providing intelligent
and well-informed commentary, and one waited eagerly for his reviews. By
the mid-80's, it seemed the paper was chock full with pretty decent
writers and the scene was amazingly well-covered. It often seemed
difficult to attend an event and _not_ see Pareles or Watrous or one of
the others enjoying the show. In recent years, things seemed to have
returned to a pre-70's state, with mssrs. Pareles and Watrous edging
into premature fuddy-duddyism. I don't have it at hand, but my
recollection of Pareles' 1998 10 best list is that it was something less
than adventurous and had little to do with jazz, new music etc. Which is
fine, if that's what he's into these days. But if they're going to ask
for an informed, possibly passionate, analysis of jazz' place vis a vis
20th century music, they might enlist someone who appears to actually
_care_. Christ, I'd rather hear Crouch's opinion on the matter.
Sorry for the NYC-centrality of the matter, but hey, it is the center of
the Universe.
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:44:08 EST
From: Nvinokur@aol.com
Subject: Cheating, Lying, Stealing
I really like the sound sample of David Lang, "Cheating, Lying, Stealing"
from NYT articles. I searched for it on Music Blvd., and, my lord, it just
wasn't to be found. So what I want to know is other sites for buying "our
kind of music" music on line. An obvious first suggestion is
<A HREF="http://tzadik.com/">Welcome To Tzadik</A>, not exactly an on line
record store, but their entire catalogue is available. Anyway, lets spread
the word of other good sites.
- -
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:50:25 EST
From: Nvinokur@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cheating, Lying, Stealing
hey, I found it myself at
<A HREF="http://cdu2.cduniverse.com/asp/exactartist.asp?cart=77341878&type=Art
ist&frm=&search=Bang+On+A+Can&tries=1">Bang On A Can
CDs,music,discography,albums,recordings,real audio samples,reviews,info,CD
Universe,Online Music Store</A>
- -
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 02:13:03 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Charming Hostess
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, sasanborn wrote:
> Has anyone on the list heard the group Charming Hostess? Very unique mixture
> of styles, with some
> Klezmer thrown in. Was wondering if anybody has any of their full length
> releases? Thanx for any info.
yes! Charming Hostess hail from
Oakland, California. they are a
sextet consisting of an a capella
women's trio and three-fourths
of the now-defunct Idiot Flesh.
they have one record, a CD titled
"Eat!" on Vaccination Records.
i've seen them a number of times
live and am never disappointed.
the CD is excellent too.
you can find out more about Charming Hostess at:
www.vacrec.com/hostess/hostess.html
and through their own website:
www.sirius.com/~lenny/ch/
their vocalist/violinist, Carla Kihlstedt,
is also a member of Tin Hat Trio.
their debut CD was just released
(or is about to be any day now).
they've been playing around locally
quite a bit since september last year.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 05:02:34 PST
From: "Douglas Clarke" <dugc@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Charming Hostess
>From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
>i've seen them a number of times
>live and am never disappointed.
>the CD is excellent too.
I second that. I've been a fan of both idiot Flesh and charming hostess
for quite a while. And, to make this all relevant to the zorn list,
Carla Kihlstedt, Nils Frykdahl (sp?), and Jenny Shineman (sp?), all from
charming hostess, (although Jenny doesn't play with them live) have all
played Zorn's Cobra in San Francisco a couple of times. Also, William
Winant plays percussion on one song on Idiot Flesh's first record,
"Tales of...." I forgot its name.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:06:54 +1030
From: "BLA BLA BLA" <isis@wantree.com.au>
Subject: Re: Charming Hostess
>
>I second that. I've been a fan of both idiot Flesh and charming hostess
>for quite a while. And, to make this all relevant to the zorn list,
>Carla Kihlstedt, Nils Frykdahl (sp?), and Jenny Shineman (sp?), all from
I have heard Idiot Flesh many a times, but have never actually ehaerd them.
What do they sound like? Where can i get there CD(s) from?
cheers.
- -
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 06:45:24 PST
From: "Douglas Clarke" <dugc@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Idiot Flesh
>From: "BLA BLA BLA" <isis@wantree.com.au>
>I have heard Idiot Flesh many a times, but have never actually ehaerd
them.
>What do they sound like? Where can i get there CD(s) from?
Idiot Flesh were (they broke up a few months ago) a very dense,
rhythmic, creative, complex band and founders of the rock against rock
movement. They would create amazing sounds always through acoustic means
(no synthesizers) mostly percussive (percussive guitar, contact mikes on
metal, buzzsaw blades etc.) When they played live, they were accompanied
by their own circus, and a lot of their music has dark carnival
overtones. I highly recommend trying them out. They have 3 releases, the
first "Tales of instant knowledge and sure death"(?) is only released on
record. Their other two cds "The Nothing Show" and "Fancy" can be
found/ordered through vaccination records in Oakland:
http://www.vacrec.com/
I've also found a good source for vaccination records in Europe and that
is a record store in Germany called flight 13 records who fill orders by
phone or e-mail and deliver quickly throughout Europe:
http://www.flight13.de
I would recommend "Fancy" to start off, and they should be releasing
their last ep, an interactive cd, any day now.
- -Dug
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:05:11 -0500
From: "Heather and Jeff" <hijk@gateway.net>
Subject: Classical Pulse!
FYI -
Both Zorn and Tzadik artist Teiji Ito are featured in the Classical section
of this month's Pulse! magazine.
JK
hijk@gateway.net
- -
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:28:21 -0500
From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com
Subject: Pulse magazine article
The March issue of Tower Records' Pulse has a "Classical 101" article on
Zorn, written by Art Lange.
You can get it at Tower (Lauryn Hill cover) or read it here:
http://www.towerrecords.com/pulse/99/mar/classical/zorn.html
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