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Zorn List Digest      Thursday, February 18 1999      Volume 02 : Number 597



In this issue:
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       re: organic trio
       VICTO! (is in the air)
       VICTO/ free saxist
       what is the label "HoCP"?
       Re: what is the label "HoCP"?
       Re: Masada-like jazz/ Pachora
       Re: Masada-like jazz/ Pachora
       Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum
       Mauricio Kagel
       Re: Wachsmann
       News for Lulu (was: a newbie here/ suggestions)
       Re: VICTO! (is in the air)
       xenakis and boulez music in boston
       Drumming
       Re: Wachsmann
       Re: Drumming
       Re: Drumming
       Re: Drumming
       Re: Drumming
       Re: VICTO! (is in the air)
       RE: Mauricio Kagel
       Re: Mauricio Kagel
       2xCD on Vinyl Communications (Otomo Yoshihide?)
       RE: Mauricio Kagel

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 99 12:50:49 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: re: organic trio

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Subject: re: organic trio
From:    Kurt Gottschalk
Date:    2/17/99  12:39 PM

The third member of the Organic Trio is Cooper-Moore, a brilliant musician not
seen enough. He is the pianist in William Parker's In Order to Survive, but in
OTrio he primarily plays percussion and homemade instruments. Seeing him play
and even hearing him talk is not to be missed. He is a unique and beautiful
performer.

I've only seen him play a few times, twice with the Organic Trio. The OTrio and
IO2Survive are two of the strongest bands in NYC, in my opinion. Sorry if I'm
going overboard on this, but...

The OTrio recently played what I believe was their second set ever (the Cooler I
guess will be the third) at a space I book in Chelsea, called Neues Kabarett at
the Brecht Forum. Cooper has also agreed to play a benefit we're having in April
to get a piano (along with Myra Melford, others TBA). I'm a recent returnee to
the Zorn-list and want to ask a question of decorum. I'd love to post our
monthly gigs here. Past shows have included Tim Berne, Assif Tsahar & Susie
Ibarra, Roy Campbell and Test. We're a small nonprofit with little money for
advertising (but with a nice room, good accoustics, seats 100+). Would putting
our gigs up here be a flagrant act of promotion in the untethered and free zone
or Zorn, or are the New Yorkers here kicking themselves that they haven't heard
about us yet.

Contact me and I'll also work on putting together our own email list for gigs.
We do jazz/improv once a month.

Thanks

Kurt Gottschalk at Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum



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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:14:49 PST
From: "Scott Handley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: VICTO! (is in the air)

Has everybody gotten their advance Victoriaville Festival de Musique
Actuelle 1999 schedule?  Wow.  Looks pretty good.  I think the advance
complete fest package is even cheaper this year than it was last year,
averaging about $7 American each concert.  For those who haven't gotten
it, a few highlights include (from memory):

John Zorn and Milford Graves

Brotzmann Tentet (w/what appears to be the DIE LIKE A DOG quartet as
part...good news: Toshinori Kondo, bad news: no Joe McPhee)

Merzbow (ouch!)

Iva Bittova & ....

Christian Marclay, Thurston Moore, and Lee Ranaldo

Some group w/ Otomo Yoshihide and others, from japan

An Argentinian (Brazilian?) free saxist whose name I can't
remember---I'm kicking muself, he's famous, records a lot for Leo---plus
a string quartet

A bunch of others.

If no one else has the info, I can post it tonight.

- ---scott



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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 99 15:55:46 -0300
From: [e-mail]
Subject: VICTO/ free saxist

Scott wrote:

>An Argentinian (Brazilian) free saxist whose name I can't remember---

I guess you're talking about Ivo Perelman. He's from Brazil.

Hugo

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:20:18 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: what is the label "HoCP"?

    The last DMG new release list mentions a few releases by Eugene
Chadbourne:

16.EUGENE CHADBOURNE-Wild Partner (HoCP 006)  Outstanding avant duos w/
great fellow guitarists-Davey Williams, Duck Baker, Loren Mazzacane & banjo
hero-Tony Trischka!!  $14.
18.EUGENE CHADBOURNE-Horror Part One (HoCP 004)  More musical insanity from
Dr. Chad, a tribute to Hitchcock, Godzilla, The Thing, vampires... and a
cover of Ayler's "Witches & Devils."  $14.

Does anybody know what "HoCP" is? Where is the label from? How long has it
been in existence? The address? etc.

    Thanks,

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:27:13 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: what is the label "HoCP"?

In a message dated 2/17/99 2:22:12 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Does anybody know what "HoCP" is? Where is the label from? How long has it
been in existence? The address? etc. >>

House of Chadponk. it's a new sublabel of Ponk records that's doing a new
Chadbourne record every month or so in really small quantities, 100 or 200.
try www.ponk.com.

Jon

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:28:28 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Masada-like jazz/ Pachora

In a message dated 2/17/99 9:45:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Jeroen wrote:
>
>  >They (Pachora) just released their second album, and it's fantastic
>
>  That's right. I second this, after a couple listenings. A truly fine
>  disc.

I'm thirding the recommendation, and if you ever get the chance to see them
live, do so. They are in Europe right now.  I dont think the clarinet sounds
thin at all.  It sounds perfect to my ears, in fact I'd say it sounds nice and
meaty.  The sound overall on this disc is outstanding, as it should be having
been recorded in one of the best studios in NYC.

- -Jody

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:55:45 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada-like jazz/ Pachora

On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:28:28 EST  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> I'm thirding the recommendation, and if you ever get the chance to see them
> live, do so. They are in Europe right now.  I dont think the clarinet sounds
> thin at all.  It sounds perfect to my ears, in fact I'd say it sounds nice and

I am more and more impressed by Chris' sound on clarinet. I was just listening
to the last (superb if you like celtic music) Susan McKeown record and was
thinking: what a gorgeous sound (Chris appears on a few tracks)!

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 99 18:43:38 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum

OK, I've been encouraged to go ahead and post Neues Kabarett gigs here, even if
Zorn hasn't played (yet). I'll give a few quick words of introduction, but
anyone who would like our press release (listing gigs scheduled through June) or
would like some more information about what the devil the Brecht Forum is, email
me privately.

In brief, the Brecht Forum is a nonprofit school and organization working for
social change and diverse progressive political ideas. It used to be called The
Marxist School and it used to be on Leonard St., right by where a well-known
Factory now resides in New York City. Back then, people like Tim Berne and Rob
Brown apparently used to play, but that's before my time. Since October last,
we've been putting on monthly gigs of improvised music. Everyone working on the
series (myself included) is a volunteer. Musicians get 80% of the door, the rest
goes to the school.

Our next gig is 2/27. Andrew Bemkey and Kin-Ship (brilliant young pianist who
often plays with Reggie Workman) with a quartet, followed by 2 sets of William
Parker solo. Door at 8, $12.

On March 27, we are cosponsoring with the Noise Action Coalition (a group of NY
musicians fighting for better club pay) a discussion on musicians working
conditions. Likely panelists include NAC member Marc Ribot and Jim Pugliese.
I'll forward more info as it becomes available.

Thanks. Please come. Support noncorporate-financed live music! And say hi when
you get there.

Kurt



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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:32:39 +0100 (MET)
From: FJG_Lamerikx <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mauricio Kagel

I've been wanting to pick up Mauricio Kagel's "Exotica" for a long time, but
yesterday I noticed that there are at least two version available. I saw one
by the Ensemble Modern, and one in the "cheap" series of Deutsche Grammophon.
Could anyone here shed some light on the different versions, and which would
be the best one to pick up?

Also, I read that Deutsche Grammophon are releasing the complete "Sequenza"
series of Berio. Any word on that?

Frankco.


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:15:07 -0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Wachsmann

Wachsmann fans may like to know that he has a new disk out (or
coming out soon) on FMR, with the group Icarus. It's very nice --
rather relaxed, quiet improv but with characteristic restlessness. I
have a review of it ready to post up on (musings), but it hasn't got
that far yet. If there's enough interest I'll post it here first.


Richard Cochrane

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experimental and otherwise non-standard musics:
http://come.to/musings.com
...now with its own mailing list, musings-l

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:28:36 +0100
From: "Felix" <[e-mail]>
Subject: News for Lulu (was: a newbie here/ suggestions)

>For jazz alla John Zorn
>Zorn/Lewis/Frisell- News For Lulu (hat ART)
>Zorn/Lewis/Frisell- More News For Lulu - This a live recording (hat Art)


Hello, I've been wanting to ask this for quite some time now... I never
heard any of the above and was interested in whatever you can say about it.
What is it like, compared to other Zorn or Frisell projects?
Thanks



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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 05:20:01 PST
From: "Douglas Clarke" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: VICTO! (is in the air)

>From: "Scott Handley" <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: VICTO! (is in the air)
>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:14:49 PST

>Has everybody gotten their advance Victoriaville Festival de Musique
>Actuelle 1999 schedule?

When and where is this?

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:36:11 -0500
From: stephen drury <[e-mail]>
Subject: xenakis and boulez music in boston

for those in the boston area:
"Structures, book II" for 2 pianos by Pierre Boulez and "Echange" for bass
clarinet and large ensemble by Iannis Xenakis will be performed by the
Callithumpian Consort at New England Conservatory on Monday, along with a
set of hideous black noise.  Performers are Jung Hee Shin and Andrew
Infanti, pianos, and Gary Gorczyca, bass-clarinet.  Info:
Monday, Feb. 22, 8 pm
Jordan Hall at New England Conservatory
250 Huntington Ave, Boston, Mass
free


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:57:29 -0700
From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Drumming

>I have that one and found the drumming of Prins fairly annoying... This
makes me
>realize that nothing is more boring than an experimental drummer who tries
to play
>what he perceives as rock beat. On this record there are a few moments of
2/2 beat
>than even a kid in a rock band would never dare to try. As another example of
>really boring drumming (from somebody who should know better), what about
Chris
>Cutler on the last (no comment) John Greaves?

I'm no musician, so maybe this question will totally show my ignorance,
but... Doesn't the idea that experimental drummers being unable to play
simple rock beats support the attitude (not one I agree with) that
experimental musicians can't really play "properly"?

***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:05:36 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Wachsmann

In a message dated 2/18/99 5:36:28 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Wachsmann fans may like to know that he has a new disk out (or
coming out soon) on FMR, with the group Icarus. >>

who else is in Icarus?

Jon

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:27:17 -0500
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Drumming

- -*- I'm no musician, so maybe this question will totally show my ignorance,
- -*- but... Doesn't the idea that experimental drummers being unable to play
- -*- simple rock beats support the attitude (not one I agree with) that
- -*- experimental musicians can't really play "properly"?

If you equate by some stretch of the imagination that simple rock beats have
anything to do with playing percussion "properly", then perhaps. Of course,
this would assume that they would A) want to play simple rock beats, and
B) even care. I know people who are fantastic percussionists with exemplary
technique that wouldn't touch a traditional trap set with a ten foot pole
(unless they were going to knock it over with it).

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:59:03 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Drumming

On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, dennis summers wrote:

> I'm no musician, so maybe this question will totally show my ignorance,
> but... Doesn't the idea that experimental drummers being unable to play
> simple rock beats support the attitude (not one I agree with) that
> experimental musicians can't really play "properly"?

Only if the speaker is working from the narrowly (whatever)-centric idea
that rock beats are at the core of all "proper" drumming. I don't doubt
that there are, say, expert tabla players who have never had a reason to
learn rock drumming either.

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:29:27 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Drumming

On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:57:29 -0700  dennis summers wrote:
>
> I'm no musician, so maybe this question will totally show my ignorance,
> but... Doesn't the idea that experimental drummers being unable to play
> simple rock beats support the attitude (not one I agree with) that
> experimental musicians can't really play "properly"?

My comment was more about some experimental drummers' lack of feel for what a
rock beat really is, nothing with technique. Which means that when used in
a rock context, they can be fairly boring and uninspired. Anyway, with few
exceptions, everytime I have heard a boring drumming recently, it was by an
experimental drummer trying to play (what he thought was) a rock rhythm.

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:04:21 -0500
From: James Hale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Drumming

> On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:57:29 -0700  dennis summers wrote:
> >
> > I'm no musician, so maybe this question will totally show my ignorance,
> > but... Doesn't the idea that experimental drummers being unable to play
> > simple rock beats support the attitude (not one I agree with) that
> > experimental musicians can't really play "properly"?

Susie Ibarra told me that she practices rudiments (the drumming basics)
for an hour or two everyday. With that foundation and an open mind, you
can go anywhere.

James Hale


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:01:19 -0500
From: James Hale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: VICTO! (is in the air)

Douglas Clarke wrote:

> >Has everybody gotten their advance Victoriaville Festival de Musique
> >Actuelle 1999 schedule?
>
> When and where is this?

May 20-24.
Victoriaville, Quebec
About 90 minutes by car southeast of Montreal, or 8 hours north of
Boston/New York City.

James Hale



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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:17:45 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?joaqu=EDn_villaverde?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Mauricio Kagel

I have the DG release.
The musicians are: Michel Portal, Vinko Globokar, Christoph Caskel, Wilhelm
Bruck, Theodor Ross and Siegfried Palm, under the direction of Kagel.
It┤s a good version, recorded in 1972.
But I prefer other Kagel works, for example: Sankt-Bach Passion (Auvidis
Montaigne)

Joaquφn




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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:22:12 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mauricio Kagel

On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:17:45 +0100  "=?iso-8859-1?Q?joaqu=EDn_villaverde?=" wrote:
>
> I have the DG release.
> The musicians are: Michel Portal, Vinko Globokar, Christoph Caskel, Wilhelm
> Bruck, Theodor Ross and Siegfried Palm, under the direction of Kagel.
> It┤s a good version, recorded in 1972.
> But I prefer other Kagel works, for example: Sankt-Bach Passion (Auvidis
> Montaigne)

It is the first time that I hear something positive about the Kagel records on
Montaigne. I mean, most DG being collector items, Montaigne is the main source
of Kagel's records, but they document mainly his recent period which is not as
exciting (to stay polite) as what he was doing in the '60 and '70.

Anyway, is there really some good Kagel records on Montaigne (and I am asking
that to people who know ACUSTICA, STAATTHEATER, LUDWIG VAN, etc).

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:33:26 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: 2xCD on Vinyl Communications (Otomo Yoshihide?)

    A puzzle for the Otomo fans.

    I just bought a record on the label Vinyl Communications. It is a 2xCD
in a transparent case without the slightest mention of the artist... Because
the record was in the Otomo Yoshihide section, I assume it a record by him
(and I am pretty sure it is him -- great music with CDs which keep on
slipping :-). Anyway, did the store losts the sleeve of the record, or is it
really the way it is supposed to be sold? Also, any info about the record
would be more than welcome.

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** - ???: ???

    ???? - Vinyl Communications (USA), vc134 (2xCD)

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Thanks,

    Patrice.


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:39:08 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Mauricio Kagel

In a message dated 2/18/99 3:13:01 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< I have the DG release.

The musicians are: Michel Portal, Vinko Globokar, Christoph Caskel, Wilhel=
m

Bruck, Theodor Ross and Siegfried Palm, under the direction of Kagel.

It=B4s a good version, recorded in 1972. >>

is this available on CD or just vinyl?

Jon


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