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Zorn List Digest       Friday, February 19 1999       Volume 02 : Number 598



In this issue:
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       Re: 2xCD on Vinyl Communications (Otomo Yoshihide?)
       Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #597
       Re: Mauricio Kagel
       RE: Mauricio Kagel
       Jaki Byard Dead
       Downtown Lullaby
       Re: News for Lulu (was: a newbie here/ suggestions)
       Disc.
       zorn discs for trade
       owner vacation
       Icarus/News for Lulu/rock drumming
       herb robertson
       Frith concert in Munich
       Re: herb robertson
       Re: herb robertson
       Re: Give me more Masada Style
       Re: herb robertson
       Re: Give me more Masada Style
       Re: Icarus/News for Lulu/rock drumming
       RE :  herb robertson
       Cobra
       Re: Cobra

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:44:49 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: 2xCD on Vinyl Communications (Otomo Yoshihide?)

In a message dated 2/18/99 3:37:45 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< I just bought a record on the label Vinyl Communications. It is a 2xCD
in a transparent case without the slightest mention of the artist... Because
the record was in the Otomo Yoshihide section, I assume it a record by him
(and I am pretty sure it is him -- great music with CDs which keep on
slipping :-). Anyway, did the store losts the sleeve of the record, or is it
really the way it is supposed to be sold? Also, any info about the record
would be more than welcome. >>

actually. this has nothing to do with Otomo. the artist name is DISC, which
came on a little paper insert on the outside. it's a group from California
having something to do with Matmos, and frankly, I was underwhelmed. most of
the Vinyl Communications stuff has capsule descriptions on the Forced Exposure
site, including a few other releases by Disc, although not this one.

always full of answers,
Jon

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:07:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Ethan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #597

vc134 is by an artist called "disc," who has at least one other release on
vinyl communications.

http://vinylcomm.console.net/release.cgi?id=VC-134

ethan


> From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: 2xCD on Vinyl Communications (Otomo Yoshihide?)
>
>     ???? - Vinyl Communications (USA), vc134 (2xCD)


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:16:06 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mauricio Kagel

On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:39:08 EST  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> is this available on CD or just vinyl?

This is one of the very few CD reissues of DG treasures.

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:39:15 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?joaqu=EDn_villaverde?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Mauricio Kagel

It┤s on CD ref 445 252-2. (20th century classics)
The other piece on the cd is: Tactil for three, with Bruck, Ross & Kagel.
Joaquφn


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:33:54 -0600
From: John Howard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jaki Byard Dead

From a friend of mine:

folks:

more bad jazz news: heard today on WKCR that the great pianist Jaki
Byard died last week. Davo heard from Morgan Kelsey (former pupil) that
he was found last Thursday shot in the head at his home in Queens. His
crackhead son is the prime suspect...

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:20:56 +0100
From: "Rob Allaert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Downtown Lullaby

Hi JazZorns,

I recently bought "Downtown Lullaby" by Zorn and friends. To me, a Masada
lover, it was like one step further, more improvising, more chaos (at
times). But I must say that I like the record very much and I'm ready to
love it even more. Sometimes I wonder if it's OK to like this type of music
:-) Is this "just" four people playing their own song and then pasting it
all together or is it sublime and intelligently produced? I'm inclined to
believe the latter.

I'm curious to find out what the other Zornlisters think about this album
and this type of music in general. I also wonder if "Euclid's Nightmare" is
comparable with "Lullaby" and if Zorn has made or will be making more jazz
music as a quartet.

Thanks a lot

- - Rob, Belgium -


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:43:44 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: News for Lulu (was: a newbie here/ suggestions)

In a message dated 2/18/99 8:00:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> What is it like, compared to other Zorn or Frisell projects?

gtr, sax, and bone. very straight ahead stuff and VERY groovin. any1 who says
that "avant garde" guys can't swing obviously hasn't heard these records

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:30:52 -0500
From: "Jason J. Tar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Disc.

>    A puzzle for the Otomo fans.
>
>    I just bought a record on the label Vinyl Communications. It is a 2xCD
>in a transparent case without the slightest mention of the artist... Because
>the record was in the Otomo Yoshihide section, I assume it a record by him

Nope, not him.  It is by Disc.  Disc being members of Matmos, Lesser, and
Kid-606 doing manipulations of skipping cds.  Not Otomo at all.
(The packaging should have included a J-card around the spine of the case
with that info.)

JJTar.

- ---
Peace Hugs and Unity            Jason J. Tar
        W.    W.    J.    D?
                  (What would Jason Do?)
      http://pilot.msu.edu/user/tarjason
              ICQ@13792120

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:11:57 -0600 (CST)
From: benjamin elliot axelrad <[e-mail]>
Subject: zorn discs for trade

Sorry if this is inappropriate.

For sale or trade:

Erik Friedlander's Chimera "The Watchman"
Elliot Sharp "Figure Ground"
John Zorn "Big Gundown", "Cobra (2XCD)"
Zorn/Bailey/Parker "Harras"

I'm particularly looking for FAX, Rather Interesting titles.

Thanks,
Ben




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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:49:04 -0800 (PST)
From: "m. rizzi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: owner vacation

I'm going on vacation until Feb. 28th, so if
anyone is having problems unsubbing from the
zorn list, well, tough. It'll have to wait
until I return, all fresh faced and sunburned.

Have fun and play nice.

mike rizzi
zorn-list-owner
p.s. anyone need a VC++ contractor in SF area?
If so, you'll have to wait too.   :)





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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:54:52 -0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Icarus/News for Lulu/rock drumming

Sorry to reply to several different things at once, but I figured it
would save on bandwidth...

> who else is in Icarus?

Roger Curphy (double bass), Mark Wastell (cello), Carol Ann
Jackson (voice) and Trevor Taylor (percussion and electronics).
Probably not known names outside the London scene, but they
make some good music together.

I think you can still find out about FMR, the label, here:
http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/elabels.html#fmr

> Hello, I've been wanting to ask this for quite some time now... I never
> heard any of the above and was interested in whatever you can say about
> it. What is it like, compared to other Zorn or Frisell projects? Thanks

NFL is guitar, sax and trombone (the wonderful George Lewis)
playing versions of 50's Blue Note tunes by the likes of Hank
Mobley. These disks are the nearest thing to "straight" jazz I've
heard Zorn do. There's not a boring minute on them, IMHO.

> My comment was more about some experimental drummers' lack of feel for
> what a rock beat really is, nothing with technique. Which means that
> when used in a rock context, they can be fairly boring and uninspired.
> Anyway, with few exceptions, everytime I have heard a boring drumming
> recently, it was by an experimental drummer trying to play (what he
> thought was) a rock rhythm.

I think this whole debate centres around this:

Q: Should people who are good musicians in one genre
necessarily be good musicians in another?

A: Nope. For my money the opposite opinion springs from two
things:

1. The idea that techical command is something trans-generic, and
that if you have great technique you can play anything (this is a
myth that amateur musicians perpetuate amongst themselves); and

2. The idea that "being a great musician" is some kind of spiritual
status which, again, has nothing to do with genre. If you put
Hariprasad Chaurasia in a rock band he would make as much of a
badger's arse of it as if John McLaughlin tried to play an evening
raga <heavy irony>.

Rich

- --------------------------------------------
Visit (musings), a resource for free jazz,
experimental and otherwise non-standard musics:
http://come.to/musings.com
...now with its own mailing list, musings-l

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:16:49 +0100 (MET)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: herb robertson

since this list is the ultimate source for music infos please let me know
something about new york trumpet player herb robertson (recordings, played
live with whom etc.)

thanks
BJOERN
www.cityinfonetz.de/uni/homepage/bjoern.eichstaedt


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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:48:23 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Frith concert in Munich

 The Fred Frith Guitar Quartet (w/ Mark Stewart, RenΘ Lussier and Nick
 Didkovsky) gave a concert in the Unterfahrt (Munich) yesterday. First of all,
 if you can receive German radio, the concert will be broadcast on Bayern 2
 on March 13, at 23.05 - I'm not sure whether they'll broadcast the whole show,
 though.

 It was an incredible concert. I didn't catch all of the song names, two were
 called "Traffic Continues" (two parts), one was called "Die Krankenschwester
 unsauber anlachen" (ahem) and another was, according to Fred, "inspired by
 a very irritating Australian bird". Never mind, all pieces were great. The
 interplay between the four guitarists was incredibly tight - if their album,
 "Ayaya Moses" is like that then this might be rather old news - and they had
 an intense dialogue going on. Fred and RenΘ were a bit more in the foreground,
 often doing some call-and-response and duels and whatever. RenΘ had an amazing
 solo part where got various freaky sounds out of his guitar, and at the end of
 it he played a little riff, then held his hands up in the air while the riff
 continued - since everyone was watching him & his hands, noone noticed that
 Fred had started to play. Another great part included a collage of amp buzzes.
 The band covered a large spectrum, from peaceful ballad-like stuff, to near-
 ambient drones, to funky (slightly atonal) rhythmic playing, a little country
 interlude, noise collages and more. Both Mark and Nick were more in the
 background, but they held everything together and contributed more sublimely,
 but equally great. Nick did have a great solo where his guitar almost sounded
 like you're switching frequencies on a shortwave radio. Oh well, I could go
 on forever. I do also have to praise the audience, which really went off on
 this stuff and applauded very enthusiastically. And I have to mention that
 the band was quite humorous, they certainly had a good time and enjoyed
 themselves, which hightened the enjoyment and, yes, the quality of the music
 even more.

 After the concert, they sold a few CDs (I got one by Nick's band, Doctor Nerve,
 which he also signed), and you had a chance to speak to them - I met Fred in a
 room near the stage where he signed three of my (his) CDs. Thanks again Fred, I
 guess you'll be reading this.
 You probably already noticed that I really loved the concert. Now I do
 certainly want to get some stuff by Mark, Nick and RenΘ. Any recommendations?
 (Besides the Ayaya Moses album, which is now on top of my shopping list.)

 Kind regards,
 - Chris.

 ----------------------------------------------------
 Chris Genzel -- [e-mail]
 ----------------------------------------------------
 Discographies of
 Herbie Hancock, Michael Beinhorn & Bennie Maupin at:
 http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/
 ----------------------------------------------------


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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:18:51 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: herb robertson

In a message dated 2/19/99 5:18:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< please let me know
 something about new york trumpet player herb robertson (recordings, played
 live with whom etc.) >>

He lives in Germany now.
He's played live with me (Denman Maroney, piano) in several contexts:
"Mean Times" (a band of mine that's only performed once or twice) with Ellery
Eskelin (sax), Mark Dresser (bass), Phil Haynes (drums).
"Mark Dresser's Force Green" with Theo Bleckmann (voice) and Mike Sarin
(drums) - the original band (that recorded for Soul Note) had Dave Douglas
(tpt) and Phil Haynes.
"Iota Jot Yod" (a band that existed from 1980-83) with Shelley Hirsch (voice),
David Simons (drums) and either Skip LaPlante, Ed Schuller, Arthur Kell or Ed
Howard (bass).
He's played live with many, many other people, too. Consistently very finely,
too, I'm sure.

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 06:31:32 PST
From: "Scott Handley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: herb robertson

><< please let me know
> something about new york trumpet player herb robertson (recordings,
played
> live with whom etc.) >>

I don't believe his work with Tim Berne has been mentioned.  It's great:
he's prominent on SANCTIFIED DREAMS, PACE YOURSELF, and the one long
composition on DIMINUTIVE MYSTERIES.  Also outstanding is his work as
the new(est) member of the New Winds w/ J.D. Parran and Robert Dick (I
think).  He had at least one solo record on JMT which I think is out of
print.  And the big news is that Screwgun might be releasing a Big Satan
(Ducret, Berne, Rainey) record with Robertson guesting.  I can only pray
that happens soon (the first Big Satan is well worth your time...I liked
it loads, and it's recorded beautifully).

- ----s

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:05:27 -0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Give me more Masada Style

I know this is rather late, but I've been racking my brains to
remember this guy's name....

If you like Masada and you'd like something more klezmer, less
freeform, Andy Statman is a brilliant clarinettist who's often
compared with late Coltrane; he's not an "energy" player, but uses
very intricate melodic lines and complex polyrhythms. Well worth
catching.

Hope this is still of interest to someone :-).

Rich

- --------------------------------------------
Visit (musings), a resource for free jazz,
experimental and otherwise non-standard musics:
http://come.to/musings.com
...now with its own mailing list, musings-l

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:21:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: herb robertson

I read somewhere that Robertson was now working out of Germany. Was this
a temporary thing or has he become an expatriate?

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:31:31 -0500
From: "Michael Berman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Give me more Masada Style

From: [e-mail]


If you like Masada and you'd like something more klezmer, less
freeform, Andy Statman is a brilliant clarinettist who's often
compared with late Coltrane; he's not an "energy" player, but uses
very intricate melodic lines and complex polyrhythms. Well worth
catching.


    .......dont know if its his most recent but,  Statman has an album on
Sanachie called 'between heaven and earth' w/ kenny werner p. /havie swartz
b. /bob weiner perc.  and guests bela fleck and david grisman
mike


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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:29:35 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Icarus/News for Lulu/rock drumming

In a message dated 2/19/99 5:14:17 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Roger Curphy (double bass), Mark Wastell (cello), Carol Ann
Jackson (voice) and Trevor Taylor (percussion and electronics).
Probably not known names outside the London scene, but they
make some good music together. >>

actually, I saw Wastell perform in Simon Fell's IST trio in November in
Cambridge and really enjoyed it, as I did his performance on IST's Ghost Notes
disc on Bruce's Fingers. Wastell is also on a superlimited CD (only 100 made)
I picked up at that concert called Assumed Possibilities, along with Chris
Burn, Phil Durrant and Rhodri Davies on harp, who's also the third member of
IST. thanks for the info on Icarus; looking forward to hearing that one.

Jon

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:49:24 -0500
From: "hijk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE :  herb robertson

About the Screwgun Big Satan with Herb that was mentioned,  Herb never
played with Big Satan at the knit.  He was supposed to, but had to cancel
due to a family illness.  The Big Satan shows were recorded and may see the
light of day eventually.  Also in Screwgun news, the reissue of Julius
Hemhphill's Blue Boye is now available at your local hip record store.

JK
[e-mail]






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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:31:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Justin T Laird <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cobra

I've been scouring the global information network for a copy of the rules
for John Zorn's "Cobra" game, with no luck.  Does anyone out there know
where I might find them?


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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:48:12 PST
From: "Douglas Clarke" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cobra

>Justin T Laird <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I've been scouring the global information network for a copy of the
rules
>for John Zorn's "Cobra" game, with no luck.  Does anyone out there
>know
>where I might find them?

In the booklet of the yellow double cd cobra set is the code for what
all the hand signals mean. The way the hand signals work is that you
point to that part of your body, then hold up that number of digits. And
if your signal is recognized by the prompter, he will then hold up the
corresponding card. So its a start. The rest I have gotton by watching.
I wish I had the card in front of me because I could then explain much
better, but, head 1, 2, and 3 are sound memories. When a certain groove
or ensemble gets going, a player can assign it a sound memory. Then,
that memory can be called later, and the same group/groove will be
played again. During the game, players could also create small ensembles
or pairs by, with approval from the prompter, putting on a headband and
giving them control to pick who they want to play with. Also several
commands can be called such as everyone stop, evryone go, cartoon trades
(where every player plays a note or burst in sequence), crossfade
between two groups or sound memories, etc. Players may also stop other
players from playing by holding up their thumb to them, and can invite
them to play by doing like a "come here" gesture with their forefinger.

I'd better stop, this may not all be correct. It just what I've picked
up from watching. But there's certainly much more to it!

- -Doug

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