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Zorn List Digest      Thursday, February 11 1999      Volume 02 : Number 592



In this issue:
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       alef engineer
       Experimental resources
       Re: Experimental resources
       Re: Takemitsu (update)
       Re: Takemitsu (update)
       Re: Meshuggah
       steve reich
       re: steve reich
       Give me more Masada Style
       Re: derek bailey new cd (for european listmembers)
       Re: derek bailey new cd (for european listmembers)
       dave douglas lives dates
       Re: steve reich
       Re: Give me more Masada Style
       elecritc masada drummer
       Re: early electric masadaJim Thirwell
       Re: early electric masada was Soul Coughing
       New reviews on (musings)
       re: steve reich
       Ribot Score
       [Fwd: electric masada]
       Re: Meshuggah
       Re: Meshuggah

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:59:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: alef engineer

does anyone know who was the recording engineer on masada's "alef"?  i
know it was recorded at rpm in new york.

b

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:16:19 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Experimental resources

Does anyone know any really good web sites to check out regarding essays
on or interviews with avant performers or composers?
Thanks
Chris


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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:46:12 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Experimental resources

On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> Does anyone know any really good web sites to check out regarding essays
> on or interviews with avant performers or composers?

One starting point would be Thomas moore's New Music Links at
http://research.umbc.edu/~tmoore/musiclinks.html

There are tons of interviews with composers in RealAudio format at Kalvos
and Damian's New Music Bazaar,
http://www.goddard.edu/wgdr/kalvos/kalvos.html

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:46:09 -0500
From: eric ong <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Takemitsu (update)

Hello,

I stopped by Other Music in NYC today and they had six volumes of
Takemitsu's film music for about 24 dollars each (jap imports).  The
volumes seem categorized by director, with some volumes representing
numerous directors.  I picked up Volume 4 and it is excellent.  About seven
songs, some short, one in the +20 minute range.  Perhaps you can order them
from the OM website if you can't come in person.  I'm sorry if this info is
redundant, I only get a chance to drop by OM maybe once or twice a month.

eric.

>>     For that matter, I also saw 'Kwaidan' with a spare, fascinating
>>     soundtrack by Takemitsu. Recommendations of his work, soundtrack or
>>     otherwise, would also be appreciated.
>
>Can't go wrong with the film music set released last year or so on
>Nonesuch, a collection of pieces from various films.

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:24:04 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Takemitsu (update)

In a message dated 2/10/99 5:57:30 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Hello,

I stopped by Other Music in NYC today and they had six volumes of
Takemitsu's film music for about 24 dollars each (jap imports).  The
volumes seem categorized by director, with some volumes representing
numerous directors.  I picked up Volume 4 and it is excellent.  About seven
songs, some short, one in the +20 minute range.  Perhaps you can order them
from the OM website if you can't come in person.  I'm sorry if this info is
redundant, I only get a chance to drop by OM maybe once or twice a month.

eric.  >>

I saw these today. my question for anyone who might know is do any of these
(or any other Takemitsu discs) contain any of his electroacoustic pieces? last
I heard, none of that was available on CD.

Jon

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:07:54 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Meshuggah

In a message dated 2/10/99 8:44:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< "J.T. de Boer" <[e-mail]> wrote:

 >I totally forgot to mention Fredrik Thordendal's (Meshuggah's
 >guitarist) solo-album 'Sol Niger Within'.

 Sounds excellent! Any idea where I could find it?
  >>

Try the Century Media website-

http://www.centurymedia.com/

=dgasque=

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 99 0:39:45 EST
From: beauford <[e-mail]>
Subject: steve reich

hi,
just looking for some info and recommendations on steve reich.  thanks for any
help. take it easy.
alex

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:55:32 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: re: steve reich

4got 2 send this 2 the list as well. oops

In a message dated 2/11/99 12:49:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> recommendations on steve reich

well i think drumming is pretty good. i know there is a version on deutsche
grammophone (sp?) and a better version is on a label whose name escapes me (of
course). i think the different trains cd is also good, but i think i'm partial
2 that cuz i played it in school. it was actually an occasion where 11 guitar
players on the same stage sounded good

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:46:32 +0100
From: "Rob Allaert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Give me more Masada Style

To all JazZorn fans,

I recently fell in love with the Masada project. I found Masada 8 in the
sales for less than 10 dollars! I never realised at that point that some of
the others Masada cd's were there too. I thought they were one and the same
cd (same artwork). And now, a few weeks later I bought: Masada 1, Masada 6,
Bar Kokhba, The Circle Maker. I'm determined to buy all the Masada's
including the live rendition (is the cd good?). But, being hungry for more.
I'm surfing through the internet to find more about Zorn's colleagues in
(Jewish) Jazz. I found out about, Dave Douglas, Joey Baron(down), Erik
Friedlander. What I would like to ask: Can you fellow fans give me
masada-like or jazz-like or classical-like cd titles and artists you believe
I will be crazy about. The more the better, I just love this kind of jazz.
Thanks a lot. Greetings.

By the way, any fans from Belgium or Holland ?

Rob Allaert, Belgium


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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:55:14 PST
From: "Stefan Verstraeten" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: derek bailey new cd (for european listmembers)

>From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: derek bailey new cd (for european listmembers)
>
>Stefan Verstraeten wrote:
>
>> Dear Bailey boys and girls,
>>
>> For those who are looking for a copy of 'Aida's call' and 'Playbacks'
>
>What is 'Playbacks'?????
>
>                        -Tom Pratt

I am awaiting my order, this means that so far, I didn't hear the cd
yet. But I do know the concept (the album had a review in 'wire' some
months ago). Anyway, Sasha Frere Jones (a member of Ui) collected some
special recorded tracks (amongst the artists, there is f.e. Loren
Mazzacane Connors) and asked Derek Bailey to 'play' along with it (if
you can use the word 'play' off course).

The idea sounds great however.

Best wishes

Stefan

NP Barbara Streisand: Greatest Hits (yes, I can't believe it myself, I
am even singin' along..... help me please, hahahaha)

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 03:11:17 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: derek bailey new cd (for european listmembers)

In a message dated 2/11/99 3:05:26 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< >What is 'Playbacks'?????
>
>                        -Tom Pratt

I am awaiting my order, this means that so far, I didn't hear the cd
yet. But I do know the concept (the album had a review in 'wire' some
months ago). Anyway, Sasha Frere Jones (a member of Ui) collected some
special recorded tracks (amongst the artists, there is f.e. Loren
Mazzacane Connors) and asked Derek Bailey to 'play' along with it (if
you can use the word 'play' off course).
 >>

Playbacks hasn't been released in the US yet, although I know critics have
started to get promo copies, so I'm hoping it'll show up here soon.

Jon

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:14:00 -0700 (MST)
From: Corey Marc Fogel <[e-mail]>
Subject: dave douglas lives dates

can whoever posted those please email them to me?

thanks



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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:09:39 +0100
From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: steve reich

>hi,
>just looking for some info and recommendations on steve reich.  thanks for any
>help. take it easy.

 I'd recommend "Music for 18 Musicians": a minimalist masterpiece !
 It starts with a hypnotic pulse that goes on for the entire piece,
 gradually transforming into beautiful melodies and harmonies.

 YVes

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:06:48 +0200
From: "Francisco Fonz-GarcΘs" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Give me more Masada Style

Hi, Rob
I think you'd enjoy klez bands like Frank London/Greg Wall's Hasidic New
Wave and many more on this way (have a look at the Tzadik catalogue on
the net and some relatedweb sites under "klez" key). Is not as
"hyperfree" as Masada, but also interesting.

Ciao

Paco Fonz-GarcΘs



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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:40:33 +0000
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: elecritc masada drummer

hi stephane (and steve, who first asked about the drummer)

i remember seeing the electric masada (in europe, ca. 1993?) feat.
ribot, but not joey baron. the drummer was a rather young, as far as i
remember red-haired guy. (zorn was giving him lots of instructions
throughout the whole show.) i'm not quite sure, but i think it was the
same guy who's part of the downtown scene who's made himself quite a bit
of a name on the drumming scene over the past two years. he's got sthg
out on blue note, as far as i remember, and was on the cover of "modern
drummer" last year.


Stephane Vuilleumier wrote:
>
> I saw Masada with Ribot (94?), and Joey Baron was grinning away
> as usual. Who was the cheesy keyboardist then?
> Stephane
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:45:49 +0000
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: early electric masadaJim Thirwell

Ken Waxman wrote:
>
> Would the "red haired drummer" be Bill Stewart?
>
> Ken Waxman
> [e-mail]


yeah, that's the one i mean. (but i'm still not 100 % sure if he was the
one that played on that night...)

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:14:45 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: early electric masada was Soul Coughing

To the best of my knowledge- The first Masada gig(s) were with Baron, Douglas,
Cohen, in fall of '93.  Then Zorn experimented with the electric lineup,
including electric players Medeski, Kato Hideki, Ribot and a few others,
augmented by drummers like Ben Perowsky, Kenny Wollesen, Billy Martin, Dougie
Bowne, etc... there have been an incredible number of people who have played
in Masada at one time or another.  A couple of years ago I tried to list
everyone that has played with Masada (the quartet), and I will do so again
(off the top of my head, I know I am forgetting some people):


Joey Baron
Dave Douglas
Greg Cohen
Ben Goldberg
Trevor Dunn
Dougie Bowne
Kato Hideki
Ben Perowsky
Sebastian Steinberg
Marc Ribot
John Medeski
Billy Martin
Kenny Wollesen
Mike Sarin
Suzie Ibarra
Bill Frisell
Anthony Coleman
John Lurie

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:30:12 -0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: New reviews on (musings)

(musings) =96 http://come.to/musings.com =96 has just
received a big update: reviews of 14 recent CD releases,
plus three (count =91em) reports from David S Ware=92s recent
(ongoing?) tour. Perhaps some of these will be of interest:

Eugene Chadbourne: Worms with Strings
Joachim Gies: Different Distances
Horn/Kendig/Dickey: Screwdriver!
Italian Instabile Orchestra: Italian Instabile Festival
Libera Societ=E0 di Improvvasazione: Al M=E0laiko Nosk=E8ma
Stefano Maltese and Open Sound Ensemble: Living Alive
Niels Viggo Bentzon: Solo Piano Improvisations
Denmark=92s Intuitive Music Conference 1997
Sound of Choice: Dynamics
Graham Halliwell and Simon H Fell: Nine Points in Ascent
IST: Ghost Notes
Jacques Tremblay: Alibi
Darren Copeland: Rendu Visible
Tim Hodgekinson: Pragma

With the usual apologies for cross-posting (no spam
intended),

Richard Cochrane

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http://come.to/musings.com
...now with its own mailing list, musings-l

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:08:40 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: steve reich

On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> well i think drumming is pretty good. i know there is a version on deutsche
> grammophone (sp?) and a better version is on a label whose name escapes me (of
> course). i think the different trains cd is also good, but i think i'm partial
> 2 that cuz i played it in school. it was actually an occasion where 11 guitar
> players on the same stage sounded good

I'd love to hear that played by a live ensemble. I saw Pat Metheny play it
at BAM, where he stood there alone and played one of the parts while the
others were on tape and, while quite listenable, it seemed kinda
pointless.

I turned a friend who is a lite-techno fan on to Steve Reich by playing
this to him after the Orb's "Little Fluffy Clouds" which sampled it.

My favorite of his pieces is Tehillim. I also like Music for 18 Musicians
a lot.

I understand that a remix album is due soon where various electronica folk
rework Reich tracks. Should be intriguing, at least.

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:13:49 PST
From: "Mary Ho" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ribot Score

I was just on the website http://moviepeople.hollywood.com
and for some reason did a search on Ribot.  It came up with a film
entitled LANDLORD BLUES (1988) which he and Roy Nathanson are listed as
composers for.  Has anyone heard the score or seen this movie?

The site also had a complete filmography of Evan Lurie.  Didnt know he
was big into acting in sci-fi/b-movies.  Very interesting.  It also
includes all the film scores he has done.

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:48:24 -0600
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Subject: [Fwd: electric masada]

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>I would have thought that the electric version came to be earlier than
>fall of '94.  I saw Masada in the fall or winter of '93 with the lineup
>of Douglas, Cohen, and Baron.  However, initially the lineup was to
>include Ribot instead of Douglas.
>
I have a tape of what Zorn called the first gig with his new band Masada.
The two shows were 8/19-20/93 at the old knit.  The lineup is:

Zorn, Ribot, Perowsky and Katp Hideki on bass.

JK
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:32:13 -0400
From: Greg Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Meshuggah

"BLA BLA BLA" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Not as technical as a whole band though, but as individual musicians,
>Nocturnus is very good, both the guitarist play that brand of GIT
>"intelligent" guitar ( I use the term very loosely when talkinga bout guita=
r
>wankery =3DP) tingeed technical death metal. Unfortunately structurely, as
>songs go, they are somoewhat inspiring. In terms of sheer rutally they hold
>their own, for that period of 90's death metal.

I have Nocturnus' _The Key_ and _Thresholds_. I am much more familiar with=
 the former and am a fan of it more for the brutality of songs like "Lake of=
 Fire," "Destroying the Manger" and "Droid Sector" than the musicianship,=
 which you decribed perfectly as "wankery" (where technicality overshadows=
 the songwriting). _Thresholds_, from what I recall (it has been a while=
 since I listened to it), is even more wankerish... I should give it a=
 listen again, though.=20

Atheist are another great technical death metal band. Their final album,=
 _Elements_, actually crossed over into jazz and samba at some points.

Greg
http://www.unchain.com/

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:29:33 +0100 (MET)
From: FJG_Lamerikx <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Meshuggah

> Atheist are another great technical death metal band. Their final album,
_Elements_, actually crossed over into jazz and samba at some points.

There are numerous other examples, of course, but most have been driven to
the back of my memory due to excursions into other territories. Although not
as technical as some of the stuff mentioned here, I would recommend Morbid
Angel's "Altars Of Madness" ('89) as a testimony to the greatness of this
genre. Their second album, "Blessed Be The Sick" ('91), is also pretty cool,
but suffers a bit from a weak, albeit trademark, Scott Burns production.
Also, Dutch band Pestilence did some nice work - in the vein of technicality,
their 3rd and 4th albums would have to be recommended, but when it comes to
sheer brutality and song-writing, they are overshadowed by the excellent
"Consuming Impulse", their second outing. At last, let me mention my favorite
which has to be Entombed's "Clandestine", an album that was highly underrated
when it first came out (everybody was still intoxicated by the debut, "Left
Hand Path", but in my opinion the praise for that album was mainly based on
the classic title track). "Clandestine" is one of the albums from that era
that I still play regularly, and it has stood the test of time better than any
of the other albums mentioned so far in this thread, in my opinion. Excellent
song-writing, abnormal brutality, and pretty good chops, especially from the
drummer.

I remember that, In my high-school days, we listened to an album called "Hymn
To Abramelin" by Swiss band Messiah a lot. It featured some kind of weird
thrash/death metal, with most of the songs being very, very slow, long before
that treatment became a fashion. I've been wanting to get this album, but don't
know if it's available any longer. Any comments?

Oh, there are also some GREAT Black Metal bands out there. I must especially
mention the circle around ULVER, who themselves have just released an album
based on "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell" by William Blake. I would have to
recommend Ulver's "Bergtatt", Arcturus' "La Masquerade Infernale", and Ved Buens
Ende's "Written In Waters" as the highpoints. These bands like to regard
themselves as the intellectual elite of the black metal scene, which finds some
justification in the way they treat their subject matter, and in the maturity
of their song-writing approach.

Frankco.


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