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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #593
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Zorn List Digest Friday, February 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 593
In this issue:
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Re: steve reich
Re: steve reich
[none]
Re: Give me more Masada Style
RE: Live Masada CD
Re: Give me more Masada Style
Re[2]: steve reich
Re: Give me more Masada Style
Re: Re[2]: steve reich
RE: Live Masada CD
Re: Re[2]: steve reich
Live Masada Cd
Re: Kaiser
RE: Kaiser
Re: Steve Reich
Swaps mailing list
RE: Live MMW
Re: Ribot Score
david shea in boston
Re: Live Masada Cd
RE: Painkiller Rituals
Re: Ribot Score
Re: Painkiller Rituals
Re: Live Masada Cd
Re: Meshuggah
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:12:36 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: steve reich
On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:55:32 EST Sulacco@aol.com wrote:
>
> well i think drumming is pretty good. i know there is a version on deutsche
> grammophone (sp?) and a better version is on a label whose name escapes me (of
> course). i think the different trains cd is also good, but i think i'm partial
> 2 that cuz i played it in school. it was actually an occasion where 11 guitar
> players on the same stage sounded good
It is funny to see the qualifier "pretty good" used for Steve Reich :-).
Recommendation of Steve Reich works?
As a starter, MUSIC FOR 18 MUSICIANS is a must. If you like it, then try
TEHILLIM or OCTET, the latter containing the two gorgeous "Octet" and "Music
for a Large Ensemble", as well as an older piece for violin ("Violin Phase").
In fact, OCTET might be a perfect first buy because it presents two aspects
of Reich's production: the early very minimalist period with "Violin Phase",
and the more luscious one (initiated with "Music for 18 Musicians") with
"Octet" and "Music for a Large Ensemble". All three records are available on
ECM. Nonesuch recently released a new version of MUSIC FOR 18 MUSICIANS
which is also fantastic.
I second also the recommendation of DRUMMING, although, not knowing the
background of the person who asked for advices, I would not recommend it as
first buy (it is very long and might appear, on first listening, as a little
bit dry (which it is not at all!!!)).
Patrice.
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:13:32 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Re: steve reich
> On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:09:39 +0100, Yves Dewulf sed
>
> I'd recommend "Music for 18 Musicians": a minimalist masterpiece !
> It starts with a hypnotic pulse that goes on for the entire piece,
> gradually transforming into beautiful melodies and harmonies
>
Agree with you 100%! A great, timeless work. I'd also recommend "Early Works,"
which collects Reich's early tape pieces like "Come Out" and "It's Gonna Rain."
Fascinating and scary.
J
- --
Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
perfect-sound@furious.com
http://www.furious.com/perfect
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:19:25 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: [none]
Did anyone attend the Kaiser/Goodman/Oswald performance at roulette?
And what's up with their website? It always seems to be 6 months behind.
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:37:59 -0400
From: Greg Smith <greg@cnotes.com>
Subject: Re: Give me more Masada Style
>I'm determined to buy all the Masada's including the live rendition (is the=
cd good?).=20
There is a live Masada CD?? I have been refraining from buying the other=
Masada discs because I had heard there were plans to release a box set of=
all the discs plus two live discs. Anyone know if this is true? Regardless,=
any info on the live CD would be great!
>I'm surfing through the internet to find more about Zorn's colleagues in
>(Jewish) Jazz. I found out about, Dave Douglas, Joey Baron(down), Erik
>Friedlander. What I would like to ask: Can you fellow fans give me
>masada-like or jazz-like or classical-like cd titles and artists you believ=
e
>I will be crazy about. The more the better, I just love this kind of jazz.
>Thanks a lot. Greetings.
Check out Dave Douglas - "Charms of the Night Sky," Erik Friedlander - "The=
Watchman," Drew Gress's Jagged Sky - "Heyday," Dave Douglas - "Five."
Also, Zorn's "Filmworks 8" is very much in the vein of "The Circle Maker."
Greg
http://www.unchain.com/
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:22:57 -0500
From: "hijk" <hijk@gateway.net>
Subject: RE: Live Masada CD
There was a live Masada CD simply called John Zorn Masada Live on Jazz Door,
a somewhat infamous bootleg label. I think Zorn himself may have hunted
down and killed anyone involved with this. I believe Patrice has it listed
in his discography.
JK
hijk@gateway.net
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:30:45 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: Give me more Masada Style
At 11:37 AM -0400 2/11/99, Greg Smith wrote:
>>I'm determined to buy all the Masada's including the live rendition (is
>>the cd good?).
>
>There is a live Masada CD?? I have been refraining from buying the other
>Masada discs because I had heard there were plans to release a box set of
>all the discs plus two live discs. Anyone know if this is true?
>Regardless, any info on the live CD would be great!
It's a bootleg on Jazz Door (I think). Still really good. I like the
show. I'm waiting for the boxset that may not come out until the end of
time though...
Dan Hewins
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 99 13:02:24 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re[2]: steve reich
For the newcomer to Reich, I'd second Patrice's suggestion of the ECM
Octet/Violin Phase release, along with Drumming (both the original DG
and the Nonesuch versions are fine), the Early Works and the Nonesuch
Sextet/Six Marimbas.
Two somewhat more obscure releases which are well worth getting if you
can find 'em: The Angel album of 'Four Organs' which also includes
Cage's fantastic 'Three Dances' for prepared piano (don't know if it's
been issued to disc) and, yet another version of 'Four Organs', along
with 'Phase Patterns' that was originally released on Shandar and, I'm
pretty sure, reissued on Robi Droli. The latter features Phil Glass
(only recorded appearance?) in Reich's ensemble.
Maybe it's just me, but I've found SR's work since perhaps 'The Desert
Music' to be increasingly routine and lacking a certain spark. A
friend recently lent me 'City Life' which, aside from the luscious
'Nagoya Marimbas', written in 1994 but sounding a lot like previous
'small' works ('Clapping Music', 'Music for Small Pieces of Wood'),
falls, imho, into this same rut.
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:32:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Give me more Masada Style
It's more on the "jazz" than the "Klezmerish" style, but try Ivo
Perelman's "En Adair" (Music and Arts) --Perelman (ts); Marilyn Crispell
(p); William Parker (b); Gerry Hemmingway (d)
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Rob Allaert wrote:
> Can you fellow fans give me
> masada-like or jazz-like or classical-like cd titles and artists you believe
> I will be crazy about. The more the better, I just love this kind of jazz.
> Thanks a lot. Greetings
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:37:57 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: steve reich
On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
> Maybe it's just me, but I've found SR's work since perhaps 'The Desert
> Music' to be increasingly routine and lacking a certain spark. A
> friend recently lent me 'City Life' which, aside from the luscious
> 'Nagoya Marimbas', written in 1994 but sounding a lot like previous
> 'small' works ('Clapping Music', 'Music for Small Pieces of Wood'),
> falls, imho, into this same rut.
I pretty much agree. One problem has been his attempts to use text. In
"The Desert Music", it turned into a choral mush. In "Different Trains"
and "The Cave", I find the music less interesting and compelling than the
recorded voices on their own would have been. He doesn't seem to have
followed up on the clarity of "Tehillim" (although, amusingly, it's
evident that he developed that from a transliteration rather than reading
the Hebrew for himself, since the whole rhythmic structure of the first
movement is based on a mispronunciation).
While I didn't care for "City Life" when i got it, I was quite surprised
wen I heard it playing at a CD store and didn't know what it was --
thinking it was an unusually good bit of techno, the samples and rhythms
came together well.
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||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:42:04 -0400
From: Greg Smith <greg@cnotes.com>
Subject: RE: Live Masada CD
>There was a live Masada CD simply called John Zorn Masada Live on Jazz Door,
>a somewhat infamous bootleg label. I think Zorn himself may have hunted
>down and killed anyone involved with this. I believe Patrice has it listed
>in his discography.
>
>It's a bootleg on Jazz Door (I think). Still really good. I like the
>show. I'm waiting for the boxset that may not come out until the end of
>time though...
Despite the death of the bootlegger, anyone know of a copy floating around??
Greg
http://www.unchain.com/
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:46:25 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: steve reich
On Thu, 11 Feb 99 13:02:24 -0500 brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
>
> Two somewhat more obscure releases which are well worth getting if you
> can find 'em: The Angel album of 'Four Organs' which also includes
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wow! Brian is absolutely right there. This is the punchiest version of "Four
Organs". Perfect to drive nuts your neighbours but so characteristic of
earlier Reich works (when he was working on his gradual process concept).
There is something in the recording of this version that makes its so good
(the kind of LP that makes me wonder if CDs were really an improvement).
The other interpretation pales in comparison. Maybe my favorite record to
play very loud.
Contrary to Brian, I did not have the cruelty to mention it (this is a highly
collectible item) :-).
> Cage's fantastic 'Three Dances' for prepared piano (don't know if it's
> been issued to disc) and, yet another version of 'Four Organs', along
> with 'Phase Patterns' that was originally released on Shandar and, I'm
> pretty sure, reissued on Robi Droli. The latter features Phil Glass
^^^^^^^^^^
Yes.
> (only recorded appearance?) in Reich's ensemble.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
To my knowledge, yes.
> Maybe it's just me, but I've found SR's work since perhaps 'The Desert
> Music' to be increasingly routine and lacking a certain spark. A
> friend recently lent me 'City Life' which, aside from the luscious
> 'Nagoya Marimbas', written in 1994 but sounding a lot like previous
> 'small' works ('Clapping Music', 'Music for Small Pieces of Wood'),
> falls, imho, into this same rut.
I almost agree with you (I don't really enjoy "Desert Music") except for
"Different Trains" which I believe is a very original composition and also
very moving (emotionally).
Patrice.
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 99 15:51:12 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: Live Masada Cd
I think the Live Masada cd is great; it has a real good sound quality
though being a bootleg recording. I wonder how that tape escape from
Zorn's hands.
Anyway, in that cd there's a Sheloshim live version that differs from
those included in Bar kokhba. What's the real name of that song? Am I
right, am I wrong?
Hugo
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:45:39 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Kaiser
> Rich,
>
> Yep, just checked HK's website and, in the Journal section, he says
> that it's March 6. If he mistyped, I'm still pissed....
>
> B.
My mistake. It is indeed march 6 NOT feb 6.
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:23:28 -0500
From: "Vanheumen, Robert" <rvanheumen@intsysserv.com>
Subject: RE: Kaiser
> > Yep, just checked HK's website and, in the Journal section, he
> says
> > that it's March 6. If he mistyped, I'm still pissed....
what is the address of the website you get this info from?
robert
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:37:40 -0500
From: Peter Risser <risser@goodnews.net>
Subject: Re: Steve Reich
My personal faves are Telhillim and the Early Works, including the Phases.
My topper for pure simplicity and minimal funky bliss is Clapping Music.
That rocks.
Plus I like tape loops.
My 2 cents,
Peter
np: Action Plus : Wanderlust
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:11:04 +0000
From: "Scott" <scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Swaps mailing list
I have a longish list of cd's for sale/exchange featuring mostly avant type
unusual stuff. I don't want to bother everyone with spam so reply to me to
be added to the mailing list.
Thanks for your interest.
Scott
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:49:28 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?joaqu=EDn_villaverde?=" <j-villaverde@mx3.redestb.es>
Subject: RE: Live MMW
hello
try this:
http://rubagalo.caltech.edu/audio.html
joaquφn
>A couple months back, someone posted an address for a few live MMW
>.mp3s- if it's not too much to ask (assuming they're still up) could
>that special someone please repost the FTP?
> Thanks
> -S.
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:22:20 -0500
From: Seth Gordon <caliban@ctol.net>
Subject: Re: Ribot Score
Not the same Evan Lurie. I made that mistake myself and unfortunately lost
two hours of my life I'll never get back watching "Hologram Man". I'm a fan
of low-budget crap entertainment but this had "Cinemax 3:00 AM" written all
over it. Not even bad enough to be funny, really...
Mary Ho wrote:
> The site also had a complete filmography of Evan Lurie. Didnt know he
> was big into acting in sci-fi/b-movies. Very interesting. It also
> includes all the film scores he has done.
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:48:24 -0500
From: stephen drury <stevedrury@mindspring.com>
Subject: david shea in boston
For those in the Boston area, New England Conservatory's Callithumpian
Consort will present the music of David Shea on Wednesday, Feb. 17. Shea
will perform in duos for sampler and accoustic instruments created for this
occasion as well as solo. Capping the program is Shea's Chamber Symphony #1
from his recent Tzadik CD.
Brown Hall, New England Conservatory
290 Huntington Ave, Boston, Mass.
Wed., Feb. 17, 8pm
free
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:12:55 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Live Masada Cd
> Anyway, in that cd there's a Sheloshim live version that differs from
> those included in Bar kokhba. What's the real name of that song? Am I
> right, am I wrong?
I could be wrong, but I think you're talking about the mistake on the
packaging. The last track is actually "Jair" from Masada 1.
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:21:26 -0500
From: Dwight Haden <dhaden@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Painkiller Rituals
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
- ---------------------------------
>i need know some (good) cd store address in New York city, plus i need
>know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan".=20
>
>txs in advance.
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
- ---------------------------------
Good record stores in NYC:
Downtown Music Gallery
211 E. 5th St.
New York, NY 10003
(800) 622-1387
http://www.DTMGallery.com=20
I'm sure there are more.. but this one I've dealt with many times and =
can personally vouch for. There's no better source for NY downtown =
artists. Get on their mailing list. Now.
Painkiller "Rituals - Live in Japan":
The last time I was in my local record store they had a copy of this, =
for about $24 U.S. if I remember correctly. Much better price than I =
paid for it, way back when. I'm pretty sure it's out of print now. And =
it most definitely is not the same "live" disc included on the Tzadik =
4cd set. That disc is the "Live in Osaka", originally available only on =
the jap version of Execution Ground. Rituals has better sound quality, =
good stereo separation for a live recording, it almost sounds =
over-dubbed.
Anyway, the record store is Plan 9, here in the jazz wasteland of =
Richmond, Virginia USA.
Their website is http://www.plan9music.com
There's no online inventory, so you'll just have to ask for it. The =
order function on their website is somewhat primative, and non-secure. =
Good luck, hope they still have it.
Dwight Haden =3D=3D=3D dhaden@worldnet.att.net
- -
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:19:28 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Ribot Score
> I was just on the website http://moviepeople.hollywood.com
> and for some reason did a search on Ribot. It came up with a film
> entitled LANDLORD BLUES (1988) which he and Roy Nathanson are listed as
> composers for. Has anyone heard the score or seen this movie?
That is one of the movies featured on "Shoestring Symphonettes", Ribot's
Tzadik cd. I guess it's just selections from the film's music.
- -
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:36:32 EST
From: Sulacco@aol.com
Subject: Re: Painkiller Rituals
In a message dated 2/12/99 1:33:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dhaden@worldnet.att.net writes:
> >i need know some (good) cd store address in New York city, plus i need
> >know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japa
2 whoever posted this originally:
if u can't find rituals, i might b able 2 help. email me privately
- -
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:49:36 +0100 (MET)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: Re: Live Masada Cd
> I think the Live Masada cd is great; it has a real good sound quality
> though being a bootleg recording. I wonder how that tape escape from
> Zorn's hands.
it is a live show which was aired on german radio, and was declared wrong
as an american show on the bootleg
BJOERN
- -
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:50:22 +0200
From: "J.T. de Boer" <J.T.de.Boer@let.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: Meshuggah
> > Atheist are another great technical death metal band. Their final album,
>> _Elements_, actually crossed over into jazz and samba at some
> >points.
I personally think 'Elements' is their weakest album. In my
opinion it's a kind of artificial attempt to combine different
genres (especially the samba-piece is highly irritating). Try 'Piece
of Time' but especially 'Unquestionable Presence'. Last album is
really a mixture of jazz and deathmetal, especially because of the
superb playing of their drummer (forgot his name), who left the band
after this recording.
> Also, Dutch band Pestilence did some nice work - in the vein of technicality,
> their 3rd and 4th albums would have to be recommended, but when it comes to
> sheer brutality and song-writing, they are overshadowed by the excellent
> "Consuming Impulse", their second outing.
I think they're ok, but always two steps behind Death and especially
Cynic.Pestilence's last album 'Elements' is a weak version of Cynic's
'Focus'.They toured Europe together, but Pestilence lost courage half
way the tour, because being inferior to Cynic in a strict musical
sense. They also made fools out of their fans by stating that one
only could be taken seriously by listening to jazz and other
'serious' types of music. Headbanging and stagediving was something
for stupids. They stopped performing and recording after this
disastrous experience.
Jeroen
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