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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #591
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, February 10 1999 Volume 02 : Number 591
In this issue:
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Re: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell]
Re: Meshuggah
Re: Meshuggah
What was this?
Re: early electric masada was Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell]
looking for AUBE cd's......
VERY obscure (and fairly off-Zorn)
(Fwd) Re: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell]
Re: Meshuggah
Re: Meshuggah
electric masada
cd stores...
RE: cd stores...
Re: cd stores...
RE: cd stores...
Re: cd stores...
RE: cd stores...
Re: early electric masada was Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell
painkiller "rituals"
Re: early electric masada was Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell
Re: What was this?
electric masada
Re: electric masada
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:52:30 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell]
Taylor McLaren wrote:
> In the frighteningly mainstream category, there have also been a handful
> of SC tracks featured on The X Files at one point or another... I'm fairly
> sure that at least one of 'em found its way on to one of the soundtrack
> discs that was released a while back, though I couldn't say what it is/was
> or if it is available elsewhere.
"Unmarked Helicopters" was on the "Songs in the Key of X" compilation in 1996,
and was used in one or the other episode (I *think* the second part) of the
two-parter "Tempus Fugit"/"Max," in which the conspiracy theorist Max Fenig
returned, already dead, in Season Four. The song doesn't seem to be available
elsewhere.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
(yahh, you betcha, I'm an X-Flies geek and Scully worshipper...)
- -
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:49:07 +1030
From: "BLA BLA BLA" <isis@wantree.com.au>
Subject: Re: Meshuggah
>shep@globetrotter.net wrote:
>
>>And as the guy that asked, I have to say that I do grok the
>>comparison. I've laid hands on some Meshuggah (and some
>>Gorguts, and some Strapping Young Lad) since I asked, and I can
>>see the similarity in the spirit of musical abandonment, if not
>>precise instrumentation or technique.
>
>Well, since you have all three, what do you think??
*snip*
Meshuggah would have to be my personal favs out of those three, prolly
followed by Strapping Young Lad, and finally gorguts. Technically they're
all pretty mindblowing, ...so my favs are pretty much based on personal
taste more than anything.
Not as technical as a whole band though, but as individual musicians,
Nocturnus is very good, both the guitarist play that brand of GIT
"intelligent" guitar ( I use the term very loosely when talkinga bout guitar
wankery =P) tingeed technical death metal. Unfortunately structurely, as
songs go, they are somoewhat inspiring. In terms of sheer rutally they hold
their own, for that period of 90's death metal.
Just my two cents
xNACHTx
Currently Playing : Mick Harris + Martyn Bates : Murderr Ballads 3CD
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:08:07 +0200
From: "J.T. de Boer" <J.T.de.Boer@let.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: Meshuggah
> >>... and I can
> >>see the similarity in the spirit of musical abandonment, if not
> >>precise instrumentation or technique.
I totally forgot to mention Fredrik Thordendal's (Meshuggah's
guitarist) solo-album 'Sol Niger Within'. Imagine Meshuggah going
wilder than ever, using church-organs and a distorted saxophone! When
I first heard the sax-part my first thought was: is this Zorn? The
album was released on UAE-records last year. This is the label of
Mats and Morgan, two musicians who were taking part in Zappa's
Universe. Thordendal is featured on their first album. One of the
songs is an adapted Meshuggah-piece (Zappa, metal, jazzrock, HUMOUR)
> Not as technical as a whole band though, but as individual musicians,
> Nocturnus is very good, both the guitarist play that brand of GIT
> "intelligent" guitar ( I use the term very loosely when talkinga bout guitar
> wankery =P) tingeed technical death metal. Unfortunately structurely, as
> songs go, they are somoewhat inspiring. In terms of sheer rutally they hold
> their own, for that period of 90's death metal.
Oh yeah, Nocturnus is great! I saw them once with Confessor. I
believe that was in the same year they (Confessor) were taking part
in the Gods of Grind tour (together with a.o. Carcass). Another band
that can fit the list of technical death is Sadus. Check their
'Visions of Misery'.
Jeroen
- -
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:26:53 PST
From: "Douglas Clarke" <dugc@hotmail.com>
Subject: What was this?
>isis@wantree.com.au wrote:
>
>Currently Playing : Mick Harris + Martyn Bates : Murderr Ballads 3CD
What's this all about?
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- -
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:35:04 +0100
From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" <vuilleumier@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: Re: early electric masada was Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell]
I saw Masada with Ribot (94?), and Joey Baron was grinning away
as usual. Who was the cheesy keyboardist then?
Stephane
- -----Original Message-----
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
To: IOUaLive1@aol.com <IOUaLive1@aol.com>
Cc: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Mittwoch, 10. Februar 1999 04:58
Subject: Re: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell]
:IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote:
:
:> Sebastian Steinberg also was one of the first bass players in Masada.
:
:Right! I'd forgotten about this! He was in that early electric version of
:Masada with Marc Ribot, wasn't he? I never saw that version. Who was the
:drummer?
:
- -
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 03:44:57 PST
From: "Stefan Verstraeten" <sverstraeten@hotmail.com>
Subject: looking for AUBE cd's......
Hi,
I just like to find out who owns the following aube cd's. If possible;
i'like to buy or trade them.
I am looking for:
- -Magnetostriction
- -Infinetly orbit
What i have for trade: I have his whole cd output. So if you are looking
for a deleted AUBE item, maybe we can help eachother.
Best wishes
Stefan Verstraeten.
sverstraeten@hotmail.com
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- -
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:23:35 -0500
From: shep@globetrotter.net
Subject: VERY obscure (and fairly off-Zorn)
Found whilst browsing today in a local record store:
BARRY TRUAX: SONIC LANDSCAPES.
Out on Melbourne Records (SMLP 4033).
Tracks A:
She, A Solo (1973)
Trigon (1974-75)
Tracks B:
Sonic Landscape No. 3 (1975)
Nautilus (1976)
Liner notes written in '77 by Truax himself.
Personnel are Truax, Phyllis Mailing, Russell Hartenberger,
Kathryn Cernauskas and Arlie Thompson. It looks like Truax is a
Vancouverite.
A great buy (for a buck!) that I am REALLY digging. Experimental
in a jazz sort of way; it kind of reminds me of very, very unevolved
versions of ideas that crop up on Naked City's "Absynthe."
Do any of these names -- or this recording -- ring a bell for anybody
present?
Matt Shepherd
shep@globetrotter.net
"I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too."
- E. Presley
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:33:18 -0500
From: shep@globetrotter.net
Subject: (Fwd) Re: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell]
> In the frighteningly mainstream category, there have also been a handful
> of SC tracks featured on The X Files at one point or another... I'm fairly
> sure that at least one of 'em found its way on to one of the soundtrack
> discs that was released a while back, though I couldn't say what it is/was
> or if it is available elsewhere.
"Unmarked Helicopters" was on
the 'TV' soundtrack (really just a comp of bands that may or may
not have been on the TV show -- some fantastic stuff, some
dreadful stuff, all stuff that some guy thought was good at the
time.) To the best of my knowledge, U.H. is not available elsewhere.
On the even MORE obscure sell-out side, there's a Propellerheads
remix of "Super Bon Bon" on the "Dead Man On Campus"
soundtrack. Imagine Doughty's singing over a lot of speedy
drumming and that's about the size of it. Odd, huh?
Matt Shepherd
shep@globetrotter.net
"I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too."
- E. Presley
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:33:18 -0500
From: shep@globetrotter.net
Subject: Re: Meshuggah
Date sent: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:56:01 -0400
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
From: Greg Smith <greg@cnotes.com>
Subject: Re: Meshuggah
> shep@globetrotter.net wrote:
>
> >And as the guy that asked, I have to say that I do grok the
> >comparison. I've laid hands on some Meshuggah (and some
> >Gorguts, and some Strapping Young Lad) since I asked, and I can
> >see the similarity in the spirit of musical abandonment, if not
> >precise instrumentation or technique.
>
> Well, since you have all three, what do you think??
>
Well, I don't exactly have...I'm the former Station Manager and
currently still DJing at a local campus/community radio station, so
I raided their compilations for death metal comps.
There's a term I like: 'appreciate, but don't really like.' I can see the
skill and complexity involved, but it's just not my cup of tea. Yet.
Painkiller grew on me like a weed, though, so I think I'm going to
let it percolate for a couple of weeks then give them another go.
Matt Shepherd
shep@globetrotter.net
"I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too."
- E. Presley
- -
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:37:50 -0400
From: Greg Smith <greg@cnotes.com>
Subject: Re: Meshuggah
"J.T. de Boer" <J.T.de.Boer@let.rug.nl> wrote:
>I totally forgot to mention Fredrik Thordendal's (Meshuggah's=20
>guitarist) solo-album 'Sol Niger Within'.=20
Sounds excellent! Any idea where I could find it?
>Oh yeah, Nocturnus is great! I saw them once with Confessor. I=20
>believe that was in the same year they (Confessor) were taking part=20
>in the Gods of Grind tour (together with a.o. Carcass). Another band=20
>that can fit the list of technical death is Sadus. Check their=20
>'Visions of Misery'.
I have _Chemical Exposure_ and _Swallowed In Black_. I believe _Visions_ is=
the former repackaged, or vice-versa. Good albums... also in the wanking=
category, although not as blatant as Nocturnus. Steve DiGiorgio is a great=
bassist. I love his fretless work in Death, another technical death metal=
band that it would be a crime not to give acclaim to, as theyactually=
manage to avoid wanking altogether and write some downright great tunes.=
Well, Chuck Schuldiner, that is...=20
Anyone interested can check out the Death interview I did at http://www.unch=
ain.com/current/death.html
Greg
http://www.unchain.com/
NP: nothing
- -
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:44:28 -0800
From: Anne & Dan Dellosso <adosso@desupernet.net>
Subject: electric masada
I saw masada in late 93 or 94, they were billed as Zorn, Ribot,
Sebastian and Martin. But Sebastian was not present instead it was
Medeski. A great show more groove oriented as can be expected.
-dan
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:10:55 -0300 (GMT-0300)
From: perojo@unsl.edu.ar
Subject: cd stores...
Hi ppl:
i need know some (good) cd store address in New York city, plus i need
know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan".
Txs in advance.
--P .
- -
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:28:15 -0500
From: "Vanheumen, Robert" <rvanheumen@intsysserv.com>
Subject: RE: cd stores...
hi --P
>i need know some (good) cd store address in New York city
go to other music, 4th street between broadway and lafayette,
you'll have to drag yourself out of there...
>
>know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan".
as far as i know, you can only get this one as a part of this 4
cd box (Painkiller: The Complete Studio Recordings 1991-1994) which is a
pain if you already own 2-and-a-half of the 4 cd's as i do...
robert
>
>
>
- -
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:43:28 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: cd stores...
At 01:10 PM 2/10/99 -0300, perojo@unsl.edu.ar wrote:
>
>Hi ppl:
> i need know some (good) cd store address in New York city, plus i need
>know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan".
The best cd store address in New York City is 211 East 5th Street.
I think finding "Rituals" will take a religious experience.
Jeff Spirer
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
B&W Photos, Words: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:48:02 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: RE: cd stores...
At 11:28 AM 2/10/99 -0500, Vanheumen, Robert wrote:
> >know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan".
> as far as i know, you can only get this one as a part of this 4
>cd box (Painkiller: The Complete Studio Recordings 1991-1994) which is a
>pain if you already own 2-and-a-half of the 4 cd's as i do...
The problem is that you only get the music for it...
Jeff Spirer
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
B&W Photos, Words: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:09:13 +0100
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: cd stores...
>>know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan".
> as far as i know, you can only get this one as a part of this 4
> cd box (Painkiller: The Complete Studio Recordings 1991-1994) which is a
> pain if you already own 2-and-a-half of the 4 cd's as i do...
Some confusion...
Rituals live in Japan is not included in The Complete Studio
Recordings. The one on CSR is 'live in Osaka' or something and
was a bonus disk with some pressing of Execution Ground.
Rituals live in Japan is another live disk with Haino Keiji
guesting on some tracks, and is much better than Live in Osaka.
YVes
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:16:38 -0500
From: "Sean Terwilliger" <terwilliger@deerfield.edu>
Subject: RE: cd stores...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Spirer
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 11:48 AM
> To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: RE: cd stores...
>
>
> At 11:28 AM 2/10/99 -0500, Vanheumen, Robert wrote:
>
> > >know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan".
> > as far as i know, you can only get this one as a part of this 4
> >cd box (Painkiller: The Complete Studio Recordings 1991-1994) which is a
> >pain if you already own 2-and-a-half of the 4 cd's as i do...
>
> The problem is that you only get the music for it...
>
Isn't _Rituals_ not included, but the live set from Excecution ground?
- -Sean
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:41:08 +0000
From: patRice <gda@pingnet.li>
Subject: Re: early electric masada was Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell
hi stephane (and steve, who first asked about the drummer)
i remember seeing the electric masada (in europe, ca. 1993?) feat.
ribot, but not joey baron. the drummer was a rather young, as far as i
remember red-haired guy. (zorn was giving him lots of instructions
throughout the whole show.) i'm not quite sure, but i think it was the
same guy who's part of the downtown scene who's made himself quite a bit
of a name on the drumming scene over the past two years. he's got sthg
out on blue note, as far as i remember, and was on the cover of "modern
drummer" last year.
Stephane Vuilleumier wrote:
>
> I saw Masada with Ribot (94?), and Joey Baron was grinning away
> as usual. Who was the cheesy keyboardist then?
> Stephane
>
> -
- -
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:43:13 +0000
From: patRice <gda@pingnet.li>
Subject: painkiller "rituals"
Vanheumen, Robert wrote:
>
> >know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan".
> as far as i know, you can only get this one as a part of this 4
> cd box (Painkiller: The Complete Studio Recordings 1991-1994) which is a
> pain if you already own 2-and-a-half of the 4 cd's as i do...
>
> robert
as far as i remember it was out on toy's factory, and is NOT part of the
complete recordings cdon tzadik. that is - as far as i know - NOT live
in tokyo, but live in osaka.
patRice
- -
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:24:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: early electric masada was Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell
Would the "red haired drummer" be Bill Stewart?
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
- -
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:19:42 -0600
From: Craig Rath <fripp@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: What was this?
>>
>>Currently Playing : Mick Harris + Martyn Bates : Murderr Ballads 3CD
>
>What's this all about?
This duo project finds Mick Harris doing instrumental stuff similar to Lull
(very dark, very slow, very rumbling) and Martyn Bates on vocals (very
quiet, very creepy). The discs (Drift, Passages, and Incest Songs) have 3
or 4 songs on each, dealing with various aspects of Death and Murder in old
folk songs. I guess it's been recently reissued as a 3CD set, although I
got mine seperately over a couple of years on the Musica Maxima Magnetica
label.
- -
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:06:02 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@ctech.smtc.net>
Subject: electric masada
There are some existing tapes of this "Electric Masada" from September
9th and 10th of '94 at CBGB's 313 Gallery. The band was Zorn, John
Medeski (organ), Marc Ribot (guitar) and Billy Martin (drums - most
likely the "read-haired guy" in the drumming mag). and John Lurie
guested the second night. I've been told that this group did a mini-tour
but I'm not sure. I do know that "regular" Masada played in Germany in
June and Seattle in October so I'm wondering why the electric version
came to be...
-Tom Pratt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:58:23 -0600 (CST)
From: Saidel Eric J <ejs4839@usl.edu>
Subject: Re: electric masada
>
> There are some existing tapes of this "Electric Masada" from September
> 9th and 10th of '94 at CBGB's 313 Gallery. The band was Zorn, John
> Medeski (organ), Marc Ribot (guitar) and Billy Martin (drums - most
> likely the "read-haired guy" in the drumming mag). and John Lurie
> guested the second night. I've been told that this group did a mini-tour
> but I'm not sure. I do know that "regular" Masada played in Germany in
> June and Seattle in October so I'm wondering why the electric version
> came to be...
>
> -Tom Pratt
I would have thought that the electric version came to be earlier than
fall of '94. I saw Masada in the fall or winter of '93 with the lineup
of Douglas, Cohen, and Baron. However, initially the lineup was to
include Ribot instead of Douglas.
- - eric
- -
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