>They offer an amazing deal of 12 free CDs if you promise to order 5 over
>the next 2 years. I admit, their selection isn't spectacular, but if you
>search hard enough you can find some good stuff. However, I am a bit of a
>sceptic, so obviously don't trust such a strangely good deal. Can anyone
>vouch for them?
>
>
>-
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:07:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Zornies
Peter:
It was a valiant effort, but the entries sorta seem to have the thought
process of a Playboy Jazz & Pop poll behind them.
Perhaps it's an idea whose time has passed or hasn't yet arrived.
Mingus didn't believe in polls anyways. And John Diefenbacker, a Canadian
prime minister, once opined: "Polls are for dogs".
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:51:09 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Caine/Corea
Combining two threads, I'd like to second the recommendation of Uri
Caine's Blue Wail - if you like the trio stuff on Sphere and Toys,
you'll love this. Likewise: Corea's Now He Sings album. Tho'
obviously very different from his bitchin' electric piano on the
Miles' live releases, this stuff certainly stands up. Am I
alone in thinking that (pace, the Penguin Guide, for instance) Caine
sounds a lot more like this vintage Corea than he does, Herbie
Hancock? By the way, Chick also plays drums on At Fillmore!!
(And Black Beauty?)
Sean
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:03:23 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Komeda
I don't know if this has been covered, but I recently saw a batch of
Komeda discs in a well known chainstore associated with a
spectacularly unsuccessful around the world balloonist. (It would be
shorter, and perhap more accurate to say, associated with a balloon).
They were all on the same label and I got the impression that they
were part of a comprehensive or at least serious reissue programme.
I only go in that shop to check for general availability of stuff,
and, assuming that these would be generally available, I didn't take
serious notes ... mail me if you want me to take details next time
I'm there.
Sean
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:06:33 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
Subject: RE: "PLAY online" (a bit off topic)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Julian
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 5:59 AM
> Has anyone ever dealt with these folks?
They're just the same Columbia House people under another name, so you get
the same deal (if you're familiar with CH, that is). Get 12 Miles Davis
discs and you'll be fine. =)
Check out this page for more info:
http://www.cd-clubs.com/
Later,
Ben
np: captain beefheart, "lick my decals off, baby"
http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 99 10:31:06 -0000
From: Doug Tapia <dtapia@unoco.edu>
Subject: Re: Caine/Corea
>Subject: Re: Caine/Corea
>Sent: 2/3/19 6:07 PM
>Received: 2/9/99 9:47 AM
>From: DR S WILKIE, S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk
>To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
>Am I
>alone in thinking that (pace, the Penguin Guide, for instance) Caine
>sounds a lot more like this vintage Corea than he does, Herbie
>Hancock?
>
I can't speak for anyone else on the list, but as someone who makes much
of his living by playing jazz piano I hear Herbie _ALL OVER_ Uri Caine's
playing. _Toys_ sounds like it could be a lost Herbie album at times,
and Uri tends to show Herbie's influence all over his playing. It's been
a while since I've put on Dave Douglas' _In Our Lifetime_ and
_Stargazer_, but I remember thinking that several of Caine's solos (and
comping) on these disks was textbook Hancock. (This in no way diminishes
my high opinion of Caine's playing.)
In fact, once the drumer from my trio and I were driving across country
in a rental car and I had _Stargazer_ playing while I was driving at
about 4:30 in the morning. He awoke in the middle of one of Caine's
solos and asked me, "What Herbie disk is this? I've never heard it."
This is not to say that there is not Corea influence in Caine's playing:
You'd have to have been living in a cave (or Wynton Marsalis' house) for
the last 30 years not to be a little influenced by Chick. But what I
hear in Chick is a lot of Bartok and harder edged Ravel, and by turns
McCoy, where whith Herbie, I hear more Bill Evans and Debusy. (I realize
that this is a horible oversimplification, but it at least gives you an
idea of where my head is)
In reality, both Herbie and Chick (and Bill Evans) owe a great deal to
Andrew Hill, but that is perhaps a discussion left for another list. I
would be interested in hearing other list members' opinions on Caine's
pianistic origins (and for that matter other dowtown pianists' as well)
If this is too outside of this list's scope, please email me privatly.
peace,
- -Doug
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 99 16:04:25 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: Caine/Corea
Doug wrote:
>You'd have to have been living in a cave (or Winton Marsalis' house)
>for the last 30 years not to be a little influenced by Chick...
This is amazing. It really made me laugh. One of the best comments of
the day. I do agree with you Doug.
>would be interested in hearing other listmembers' opinions on Caine's
Caine undoubtedly is a great piano player (though I'm closer to
Mengelberg and Coleman) and I enjoyed him a lot in Toys and Primal Light
as well. Also on Stargazer.
My most recent Caine's pick up was Sphere Music and I trying to get in,
nevertheless I expect to pick up Blue Wail (Winter & Winter) in the next
future just to have a better approach on his playing in a trio context.
Just my two cents.
Hugo
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 99 12:16:18 -0000
From: Doug Tapia <dtapia@unoco.edu>
Subject: Re: Orange Then Blue
>Subject: Orange Then Blue
>Sent: 2/10/19 1:43 AM
>Received: 2/9/99 9:47 AM
>From: dennis summers, denniss@ic.net
>To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
>
>A few years back at the Detroit Montreaux Jazz Festival, I saw a band called
>Orange Then Blue while I was waiting for someone else.
Man, I'd completly forgotten about this band. An old composition teacher
of mine turned me on to them about seven years ago. He was a very
inovative jazz aranger, but wasn't too into the whole downtown scene
(which was much more underground at the time) This was my first
introduction to Douglas, Speed, and others.
So what lable was this on? All I've got is a bad casette dub that I
haven't listened to in years. I'd love to pick some of this up.
Thanks in advance,
- -Doug
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:46:31 +0200
From: Blind <lb@skynet-bg.com>
Subject: :: Krzysztof Penderecki
While discussing Komeda I'd like to put a question more or less
relative: have you seen some issues of Krzysztof Penderecki's works?
It seems to me there are only vinyls old as the compositions
themselves. The only CD I could get was on EMI Matrix series #5.
Looking esp. for 'Polymorphia' and similar works.
Thanks,
L.B.
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 12:14:37 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: :: Krzysztof Penderecki
On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:46:31 +0200 Blind wrote:
>
> While discussing Komeda I'd like to put a question more or less
> relative: have you seen some issues of Krzysztof Penderecki's works?
> It seems to me there are only vinyls old as the compositions
> themselves. The only CD I could get was on EMI Matrix series #5.
> Looking esp. for 'Polymorphia' and similar works.
Here, in Portland (OR), there are at least 5-6 different Penderecki at
Tower Records. This is above average for a post WW2 contemporary
composer.
Patrice.
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:19:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: :: Krzysztof Penderecki
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Blind wrote:
> While discussing Komeda I'd like to put a question more or less
> relative: have you seen some issues of Krzysztof Penderecki's works?
> It seems to me there are only vinyls old as the compositions
> themselves. The only CD I could get was on EMI Matrix series #5.
> Looking esp. for 'Polymorphia' and similar works.
there is some stuff available of wergo, which you can access through
forced exposure.
b
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:18:36 -0600
From: Craig Rath <fripp@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: :: Krzysztof Penderecki
>While discussing Komeda I'd like to put a question more or less
>relative: have you seen some issues of Krzysztof Penderecki's works?
>It seems to me there are only vinyls old as the compositions
>themselves. The only CD I could get was on EMI Matrix series #5.
>Looking esp. for 'Polymorphia' and similar works.
The most comprehensive set I've found so far is the series put out on the
Polish label Polskie Nagrania in 1989. There are five volumes (that I've
found, anyway):
Vol. 1: (Double Disc)
St. Luke's Passion
Threnody to the victims of Hiroshima
Polymorphy
String Quarter No. 1
Psalms of David
Dimensions of Time and Silence
Vol. 2:
Utrenya
Vol. 3:
Violin Concerto
Symphony No. 2 "Christmas Symphony"
Vol. 4:
Cello Concerto No. 2
The Awakening of Jacob
Adagietto from "Paradise Lost"
Concerto for Viola and Orchestra
Vol. 5: (Double Disc)
Polish Requiem
Dies Irae
I've seen a few other single disc collections out there, but most of them
duplicate the stuff on this series. Not sure where to find it, though. I
found mine scattered all over the place.
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:35:57 EST
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell]
Sebastian Steinberg also was one of the first bass players in Masada. I have
also seen a few of the other Soul Coughing guys (can't remember the names)
playing with Marc Ribot, the last time was a couple of years ago with his
group "People Who Only Need a Beat".
- -Jody
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:17:46 +0000
From: "Scott" <scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: :: Krzysztof Penderecki
>The most comprehensive set I've found so far is the series put out on the
>Polish label Polskie Nagrania in 1989. There are five volumes (that I've
>found, anyway):
>
As it happens I have both these volumes on my exchange list at the moment.
MAil me offlist if anyone is interested.
>
>Vol. 3:
> Violin Concerto
> Symphony No. 2 "Christmas Symphony"
>
>Vol. 4:
> Cello Concerto No. 2
> The Awakening of Jacob
> Adagietto from "Paradise Lost"
> Concerto for Viola and Orchestra
>
>
>-
>
>
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:20:09 -0500
From: "hijk" <hijk@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Orange Then Blue
>So what lable was this on? All I've got is a bad casette dub that I
>haven't listened to in years. I'd love to pick some of this up.
The double CD, "While you were out..." is on GM Recordings and the band is
more or less led by drummer (and son of Gunther) George Schuller. I'm not
sure if it's still in print, I got mine from George several years ago when
they played at the Damrosch Park Bandshell at Lincoln Center. They were
great, and even better was an older gentleman who got up in the middle of
the show a nd stormed out exclaiming, "that's not Jazz!"
The rest of the band is Dave Ballou/Bob Bowlby/Peter Cirelli/Matt
Darriau/Paul Del Nero/Tim Ray/Rick Stepton/Mark Taylor and Cuong Vu.
Jeff Kent
hijk@gateway.net
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:05:33 -0500
From: Taylor McLaren <tmclaren@uoguelph.ca>
Subject: Re: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell]
MEEP! Steve Smith wrote:
>Vocalist M Doughty used to be a music critic and the doorman at the old
>Knitting Factory...
...and heck, if anybody is looking to hear his work in a
not-so-Soul-Coughing context, he was responsible for a couple of tracks on
Tomato Records' Poemfone CD, _New Word Order_ a while back.
In the frighteningly mainstream category, there have also been a handful
of SC tracks featured on The X Files at one point or another... I'm fairly
sure that at least one of 'em found its way on to one of the soundtrack
discs that was released a while back, though I couldn't say what it is/was
or if it is available elsewhere.
- -me
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:08:25 -0500
From: shep@globetrotter.net
Subject: Re: Meshuggah
> >been away for a while, so I'm kind of falling in into this thread. I
> >think comparing Meshuggah to Zorn stuff is impossible when trying to
> >match genre-like parallels.
>
> I suppose you missed that portion of the thread, but the Meshuggah-Zorn comparison came about as a result of someone actually asking us to describe Meshuggah with reference to Zorn, so I made the Naked City/Painkiller - Meshuggah comparison because it s
eemed most appropriate when considering
Zorn's body of work.
>
And as the guy that asked, I have to say that I do grok the
comparison. I've laid hands on some Meshuggah (and some
Gorguts, and some Strapping Young Lad) since I asked, and I can
see the similarity in the spirit of musical abandonment, if not
precise instrumentation or technique.
Matt Shepherd
shep@globetrotter.net
"I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too."
- E. Presley
Matt Shepherd
shep@globetrotter.net
"I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too."
- E. Presley
Matt Shepherd
shep@globetrotter.net
"I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too."
- E. Presley
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 19:22:36 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Re: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell]
Taylor McLaren wrote:
> In the frighteningly mainstream category, ...
Gosh, I didn't mean to have anyone end up *there*.
Thanks for all the responses.
Rrrrrrrrrr
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