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Zorn List Digest       Tuesday, January 26 1999       Volume 02 : Number 580



In this issue:
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       Re: what should i add to my collection?
       Re: what should i add to my collection?
       Re: E. Chadbourne
       Re: E. Chadbourne
       Re: E. Chadbourne
       Ganryu Island, Yankees, and Microsoft and Zorn (my apologies for the text formatting goof)
       Re: E. Chadbourne
       Dresser/Chadbourne
       Re: Ganryu Island, Yankees, and Microsoft and Zorn (my apologies for the text formatting goof)
       Final apologies, corrections
       Re: Ganryu Island, Yankees, and Microsoft and Zorn (my apologies , for the text formatting goof)
       Re: braxton/dresser
       Re: Zorn at the Philharmonic
       Re: braxton/dresser
       Braxton/ Bailey
       100 of the World's Most Beautiful Melodies
       Re: what should i add to my collection?
       Re: Braxton/ Bailey

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:56:11 -0600
From: Eric Saidel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: what should i add to my collection?

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:08:54 -0600
From: Eric Saidel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: what should i add to my collection?

Sorry about that vacant message.  I missed the button I was aiming at.

In any case, Ben said:


> Keep an eye out for online coupons for MusicBlvd., CDNow, etc.

www.esmarts.com has a bunch of coupons.  Musicblvd is a good one.  They have a
deal that allows you a free cd for every ten you order.  There are always lots
of coupons for them.  I have yet to pay full price for any of my purchases from
them.


>  Also
> http://www.everycd.com list their Masada CDs from $13.97 - $16.48 (and Naked
> City CDs for $15.82!), which is the cheapest I've seen them online without
> coupons. Be warned, however: ever since everycd.com put out those full-page
> ads in newspapers nationwide, their pages have been loading up incredibly
> slowly, which has prevented me from actually ordering (you also have to pay
> a membership fee).

They also have a deal - I noticed in yesterday's New York Times - that if you
look for a cd that they don't have, they'll give you two free.  I'm sure that we
can all find cds pretty readily that they don't have.  (I've found at least one
that's not in their online catalog - Graham Connah's _Snaps erupt at pure
spans_.)

However, let me warn you.  They are extremely anti-customer service.  Their
prices, which seem low at first, are offset by extraordinarily high shipping
charges which make the value good only if you are buying over $100 of cds.  Even
then, the price is further offset by the $40 "membership" fee.

(Yes, I did have a bad experience with them.  However, even without that
experience - which involved ordering $200+ worth of cds, and which, if I had to
figure in the membership fee, would not have led to any great savings on my part
- - I would not recommend them.  In brief, my experience was that I had ordered
these cds from them in part because they promised on their website that they
would ship everything US priority mail.  They shipped my cds UPS.  (The reason,
they said, was that only UPS would allow them to properly insure packages worth
more than $100.  I checked with the post office; that was false.)  My cds,
instead of arriving in a couple of days, as they would had they been shipped
priority mail, took 3 weeks.  When I called wondering about the shipment, they
refused to help me, telling me that any problems I had were with UPS.  There's
more to the story, but I don't need to vent.  I just want to warn you not to
expect good customer service from them.)

- - eric



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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:11:30 -0800
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: E. Chadbourne

Steve Spangler wrote:

>  Does anybody know anything about a Chadbourne piece
> titled Camper Van Chadbourne. I saw a copy for $4.99, but
> I haven't picked it up. Is this a worthwhile introduction
> to this guy--the only other thing I have is the disk from
> the new Zorn book.
>
> Steve -

allegedly, the guitarist for camper van beethoven  died or
quit or something and E.C. took his place for a tour or an
album or........  i never knew they recorded but i have a
friend who saw them live in portland oregon "with this old
fat guy on guitar and dobro", the tickets even said camper
van Chadbourne.thats all i know.....
patrick in portland



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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:27:30 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: E. Chadbourne

In a message dated 1/25/99 11:17:07 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Does anybody know anything about a Chadbourne piece titled Camper Van
Chadbourne.
I saw a copy for $4.99, but I haven't picked it up. Is this a worthwhile
introduction to this guy--the only other thing I have is the disk from
the new Zorn book. >>

it's a collaboration between Eugene and Camper Van Beethoven. I wouldn't say
it's a good introduction to Chadbourne, but it is a very enjoyable record.
there are tons of covers, including Reason To Believe, a hilarious Zappa
medley, Ballad of Easy Rider, and Careful With That Axe, Eugene, complete with
screaming. plus some topical Chadbourne tunes. definitely worth picking up for
five bucks.

as for the best intro to Chadbourne, it's a tough one, becauae he has so many
different styles. I'd go for the Solo Acoustic Guitar, Volume 2 that Rastascan
just reissued for his playing. for his singing, nothing jumps to mind as
completely essential. maybe the Camper Van is the best one for that after all.

Jon

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:56:24 -0800
From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: E. Chadbourne

As far as I know,

 "there'll be no tears tonight" (1980 - Parachute Records, P013
 (LP)1987; Fundamental (USA), 6 (LP))

and

"LSD C&W" (    1987 - Fundamental, Save 19/20 (2xLP)

are completely different records, at least from the song names
(I only have the latter 2LP). Eugene Chadbourne in his article in the Sonora
book
refers to it as a 2LP/2CD.
This rings a bell, but I think the CD (just one) was less interesting to me
because it did not have the entire 2LP on it.
Anybody seen the CD, or able to give the exact reference?

Stephane

- -----Original Message-----
From: Circle9 <[e-mail]>
To: Zorn List <[e-mail]>
Date: lundi, 25. janvier 1999 10:23
Subject: Re: E. Chadbourne


>I'd recommend "There'll Be No Tears Tonight" (a/k/a
>"LSD C&W")-
>No idea as to the current in-print status on either...


>>the only other thing I have is the disk from the new Zorn book.



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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:45:47 -0500
From: "Rich Ladew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ganryu Island, Yankees, and Microsoft and Zorn (my apologies for the text formatting goof)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Rich Ladew <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 10:48 PM
Subject:


sorry about my laziness to check text formatting on my last message.  I
figured I should reprint it (if anyone cares).  I also wanted to ask about a
few specific Zorn albums and related items:
1. Ganryu Island: Does it sound anything like the hatHut Rodan album (NOT
the famous group featuring members of the Rachels June of 44, Hoover, etc.
etc...)
2. Yankees
3. Availability of the Chadbourne/Zorn cd and book (where can you order)
4. Title/availability of the documentary on violence which featuress music
from torture garden

Thanks again, and sorry for my previous glitch (and for this rambling
message)


Zornophiles:

While watching the X-Files this week (1/24/99), I saw a Microsoft commercial
(something about a lady running a hand lotion business) which featured
Zorn's main title score from "White and Lazy".(FILMWORKS 1 cd)
featuring
Robert Quine, melvin Gibbs <<Rollins Band, Harriet Tubman>>, Arto Lindsay,
Anton Fier, Carol emmanuel, David Weinstein, and Ned Rothenberg.

I guess one of Weiden and Kennedy's clients, besides Nike and Sega (remember
the blasts ofTorture Garden in an old Sonic the Hedgehog commercial?) is
Microsoft.

Other Zorn news: a nod to the lesbian s/m porno "Elegant Spanking" which
Zorn scored (one of the filmworks cds as well) in the Feb. issue of Details,
from a list of the best lesbian films of all time (Elizabeth Hurley on the
front cover.)


"People kill me these days....There's keys in their eyes, but they're locked
from the inside"  ---Condition Oakland (Jawbreaker, lyrics by Blake
Swarchenbach)
- -Rich Ladew
[e-mail]



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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:57:40 -0500
From: Circ9 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: E. Chadbourne

Very true... It's just TBNTT has the phrase "LSD C&W" on it (in fact, if I
remember correctly it's on the spine where the title ought to be or
someplace prominent like that) and is often (understandably) confused with
the other one. I forgot that there actually WAS a release titled LSD C&W
(don't own it- probably should). Sorry 'bout that.
    -S.

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> From: Stephane Vuilleumier <[e-mail]>
> To: zorn <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: E. Chadbourne
> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 1:56 AM
>
> As far as I know,
>  "there'll be no tears tonight" (1980 - Parachute Records, P013
>  (LP)1987; Fundamental (USA), 6 (LP))
> and
> "LSD C&W" (    1987 - Fundamental, Save 19/20 (2xLP)
> are completely different records

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:13:36 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dresser/Chadbourne

[Brian O. writing about Mark Dresser] ...improvising, displayed a
>refreshing, tart, romantic streak, becoming quite moving in works like
>one dedicated to the passengers of Flight
> 800. Should this group record, I'd strongly suggest checking it out. >>
>
> I believe that later that week, they recorded this material for Tzadik.
>
> Jon
>
Its called "Loss of the Innocents" (the one about TWA), and the CD is
Banquet.  As for Dresser recommendations, his stuff with Gerry Hemingway's
groups is great as well.  My favorite is "Johnny's Corner Song" w/ Ellery
Eskelin, Robin Eubanks, Dresser and Hemingway.  It has a nice long
Dresser solo, too. There are also about 6 CDs
of Hemingway/Dresser/Michael Moore/Ernst Reijseger/Wolter Weirbos which
are pretty well acclaimed, but I've only heard one.

Re: Chadbourne

> Starting out on EC, I'd recommend "There'll Be No Tears Tonight" (a/k/a
> "LSD C&W")- his wacky arrangements of old Country & Western classics
> (which happens to feature Zorn on sax).

These are actually different albums, both w/ Zorn.  LSD C + W also has a
long Beatles medley, a Love song, "In a Sentimental Mood", and some
others.  It is out of print, but I found it on used vinyl about 2 weeks
ago.  There'll be No Tears Tonite is not as screwed up, but its just as
good if not better.  This is a studio album, with some solo performances.
Also out of print, same label.  I have not heard him match these in terms
of rock/country oriented stuff, but if anyone has let me know!

He seems to be having a little bit of a renaissance lately, doing less
humor and political stuff and more "serious" stuff, although it still has
a sense of humour, in a good way.

Getting a good intro to Chadbourne is like getting a good intro to Zorn -
trying to do this in one album is misleading.  (Why I disn't get excited
about either at first).

WY


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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:12:28 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Ganryu Island, Yankees, and Microsoft and Zorn (my apologies for the text formatting goof)

In a message dated 1/25/99 5:49:08 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< 1. Ganryu Island: Does it sound anything like the hatHut Rodan album  >>

not really. Ganryu Island is all duets with Zorn and is towards the louder
side, while Michihiro's Rodan, although I haven't heard it in a long time,
features him playing with a wide variety of musicians (Frisell, Frith, Tenko,
Cora, Baron, Dresser, Hemingway, Marclay, etc.), with each track being a
different small group combo. I remember it being much quieter and more
beautiful than GI, but maybe someone who's heard it more recently can chime
in.

Jon

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:39:42 -0500
From: "Rich Ladew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Final apologies, corrections

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[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:37:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ganryu Island, Yankees, and Microsoft and Zorn (my apologies , for the text formatting goof)

On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Rich Ladew wrote:

> 1. Ganryu Island: Does it sound anything like the hatHut Rodan album (NOT
> the famous group featuring members of the Rachels June of 44, Hoover, etc.
> etc...)

there were no members of hoover in rodan.  there is an ex-member of
hoover in june of 44.

b

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:17:17 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: braxton/dresser

In a message dated 1/24/99 12:02:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< In a message dated 1/24/99 11:35:32 AM, [e-mail] writes:

 << I caught him a couple of weeks ago (Merkin Hall, NYC) in a
 performance of several pieces of his of a somewhat classical bent and
 was pretty impressed. His ensemble, in various configurations, included
 Mary Rowell (violin), Friedlander, Denman Maroney, Marcus Rojas and
 Chris Speed. His writing and, to a great extent, the group's
 improvising, displayed a refreshing, tart, romantic streak, becoming
 quite moving in works like one dedicated to the passengers of Flight
 800. Should this group record, I'd strongly suggest checking it out. >>

 I believe that later that week, they recorded this material for Tzadik.

 Jon
  >>
The pieces recorded for Tzadik were "Air to Mir" (duet for me (piano) and Mary
Rowell), "Maronade" (solo for me) and Dresser solos.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:20:50 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn at the Philharmonic

I believe you're referring to the benefit concert for Roulette, this Sat Jan
30 at Alice Tully Hall, which includes Masada, Steve Reich, Shelley Hirsch,
and William Parker's orchestra among others.  Admission is $50 to concert only
or $125 to concert and post-concert party at Ethical Culture Society.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:29:13 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: braxton/dresser

In a message dated 1/24/99 11:35:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Martin Wisckol wrote:
 > I'm interested in more Dresser. Any recommendations there?

 I wouldn't mind a small recapitulation of reviews of Dresser releases
 myself as I'm fairly unfamiliar with his own work outside of the Arcado
 trio. I caught him a couple of weeks ago (Merkin Hall, NYC) in a
 performance of several pieces of his of a somewhat classical bent and
 was pretty impressed. His ensemble, in various configurations, included
 Mary Rowell (violin), Friedlander, Denman Maroney, Marcus Rojas and
 Chris Speed. His writing and, to a great extent, the group's
 improvising, displayed a refreshing, tart, romantic streak, becoming
 quite moving in works like one dedicated to the passengers of Flight
 800. Should this group record, I'd strongly suggest checking it out.
 Dresser also performed a very strong solo piece, demonstrating his rich
 facility with the bow.
  >>
I (Denman Maroney) am on three records with Dresser, all of which naturally I
recommend:

- -Force Green (Soul Note) with Dave Douglas (tpt), Theo Bleckmann (voice), me
(piano) and Phil Haynes (drums)
- -The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (Knitting Factory) with Dave Douglas and me
- -Tambastics (Music & Arts) with Robert Dick (flutes), me and Gerry Hemingway
(drums)

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:30:26 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <[e-mail]>
Subject: Braxton/ Bailey

Sorry for the lack of direct Zorn content, but I was just wondering if the
often talked about Willisau Quartet 4CD is really better than the 2 CD
Santa Cruz set, or if it is just a bigger version of a similar thing. On
Gerry Hemingway's web site, he mentions the Santa Cruz set as his favorite
recording by the band...

Also, does anyone know about the new domestic Derek Bailey CD w/ Kaoru Abe
and Toshinori Kondo and (someone else).  I think its from the late 70s.

WY

P.S. Did the "Orchestra Variations" premiere at the New York Philharmic
not happen? I read about this in the New Yorker (supposed to be 1/22 -
1/24), but I guess I would have heard about it by now if anyone saw it (?)



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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:07:42 -0500
From: Risser Family <[e-mail]>
Subject: 100 of the World's Most Beautiful Melodies

Anyone know where to find a copy of this beautiful, yet out of print CD?

Please let me know!
Peter

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:04:28 -0500
From: Risser Family <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: what should i add to my collection?

<<thanks all who responded! see, i'm big on jazz, but ever since my
introduction to Mr. Bungle and John Zorn's Naked City, i've just been
really craving that experimental free-form stuff.
thanks for the tips, guys!
sonny
>>

Um, not to be picky, but neither Mr. Bungle nor Naked City are in any way shape for form, free-form.
They are all pretty seriously scripted stuffs.  Experimental maybe.  Free, not really.

Anyway,
My 2 cents.
Peter


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:47:51 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Braxton/ Bailey

In a message dated 1/26/99 10:37:59 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< does anyone know about the new domestic Derek Bailey CD w/ Kaoru Abe
and Toshinori Kondo and (someone else).  I think its from the late 70s. >>

Motoharu Yoshizawa and it's from 1978. It's on a label called Starlight
Furniture which is distributed by Revolver:
(http://www.midheaven.com/fi/revolverusa.links.html)

I only listened to it once, but I certainly wouldn't recommend it for the
Bailey factor. the sound quality is really bad, and I didn't even hear him
much on it.

Jon

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