>From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
>Talking about France, the main players in this field (free-improv) were
>almost all trained classical players (Portal, Lubat, Vitet (?)). They
>jumped both feet into free-jazz, but they also produced music similar to
>non-idiomatic improv (fabulous CHATEAUVALON by Portal with Vitet, Favre,
>Guerin, Tamia, etc). Is it a coincidence that Portal, Jean-Francois
>Jenny-Clark, etc were all playing with Stockhausen, Boulez, Globokar?
Well....
You know Patrice there were many other free musicians in France who were
not from classical field.
I mean (non comprehensive list) : Jacques Berrocal, Jean-Francois Pauvros,
Workshop de Lyon (Louis Sclavis), Daunik Lazro, Axolotl, Michel Doneda,....
I think (at the beginning) musicians who played improvised music were more
influenced by free jazz, even if they cut the roots very quickly.
Jacques Oger
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:38:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Martens <ericmartens@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: John Duncan/Bernard Gunter
I picked up "un peu de neige salie" a few months ago, right after THE
WIRE's "100 Records..." list, just out of curiosity, and maybe it's
just me, but what it most reminded me of was parts of My Bloody
Valentine's "Loveless," obviously not superficially (I mean, could any
two albums be MORE dissimilar than these?), but in the way both of
them seem to be as concerned with the way you're hearing them as they
are with what you're hearing -- kind of forcing you not to take your
hearing for granted, Gunter by making you devote so much energy to it,
MBV by showing how sounds (and not necessarily only extremely loud
ones) can fuck w/ your equilibrium ("Touched" and "To Here Knows
When," in particular, throw me all kinds of out of whack.)
Don't know if thatr makes sense,
Eric Martens
- ---JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
>
> <<can anyone provide mini-reviews of the
> work of these gents?>>
>
> Bernhard Gunter is the main composer in what I'll call the "virtually
> inaudible" scene. His music focuses on the area just around silence.
a lot of
> the time, you would swear that there isn't a CD playing. while Jim
O'Rourke
> may be able to differentiate between his recordings, I certainly
couldn't. if
> you need to buy one, try _Un Peu De Neige Salle_ (Selektion,
rereleased on
> Table Of The Elements). that seems to be the consensus favorite.
>
> John Duncan's music tends to be a little on the noisier side,
although _Home,
> Unspeakable_ is definitely more of a Gunter piece. the best CD from
either of
> these two is Duncan's _Incoming_ on Christoph Heemann's defunct
Streamline
> label, soon to be resuscitated by Anomalous.
>
> << Clearly. I'm paying far too much attention to the O'Rourke
blindfold
> test in the current WIRE>>
>
> clearly. understand that Rob Young picked those records for a
reason, just
> like in all Wire blindfold tests. O'Rourke has been singing the
praises of
> Gunter for years and years. and O'R was the one who rereleased the
Canavarro,
> as he's in the process of doing with Ray Russell, another blindfold
question.
> and Jim, while he is a great guy and a casual friend of mine, tends
to go a
> bit overboard when praising artists he likes. on the other hand,
there are
> certainly less rewarding areas of music to explore.
>
> Jon
>
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>
>
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