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Zorn List Digest      Thursday, December 3 1998      Volume 02 : Number 544



In this issue:
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       Looking for info Z'eV
       Re: Amazon.com's 100 best list
       Re[2]: Zorn becoming ...?
       re:Peace on Earth
       Re: Looking for info Z'eV
       Re[2]: Zorn becoming ...?
       Re: Looking for info Z'eV
       Re: Looking for info Z'eV
       Re: Looking for info Z'eV
       Re: Looking for info Z'eV
       Re: Looking for info Z'eV
       Assyrian cuneiform;Spillane;Takemitsu
       Re:  Assyrian cuneiform;Spillane;Takemitsu
       Re: Assyrian cuneiform;Spillane;Takemitsu
       William Parker advice?
       Re: William Parker advice?
       Re: Amazon.com's 100 best list
       Re:  Re: Amazon.com's 100 best list

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 17:03:28 +0100
From: Stefan Verstraeten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Looking for info Z'eV

Dear,

Who knows where i can find some (online) info concerning the drummer
Z'EV. I only own his avant-release and knows his is a music partner of
glenn branca.

Can anyone recommend me some records, opinions and (online) info

Best wishes

Stefan

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 08:02:50 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Amazon.com's 100 best list

On Thu, 03 Dec 1998 06:11:54 -0500  "Caleb T. Deupree" wrote:
>
> Where you are maybe.  Even the Zorn bin at my local borders only carries
> the Nonesuch releases.

The one in Portland (OR) is really mediocre (but the book and magazine
sections are not bad -- hey, they even carry JAZZIZ with the CD companion :-).

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 98 11:14:21 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re[2]: Zorn becoming ...?

Stephen wrote:

>I noticed, in spite of a lot of references to "classical" composers, little
>or no reference in this discussion to Zorn's "classical" (i.e., fully
>notated for conventional accoustic instruments) work.  I also notice the
>occasional remark showing somewhat less enthusiasm for this aspect of Z's
>work (which seems to constitute an ever-larger proportion of his recent
>compositional activity).  Those remarks are infrequent; perhaps more
>noticable is the generally lesser interest shown in works like "Aporias"
>(I don't mean to be narcissistic here).

     My sense of list-members is that a sizeable portion are fairly young
     and have come to JZ's work, not surprisingly, from a rock-oriented
     environment, which makes for an easier appreciation of Naked City or
     Painkiller than for 'Redbird' or 'Aporias'. Other, older farts (like
     myself) probably first heard Zorn after a thorough immersion in the
     jazz avant-garde and have an easier time with the whole range of his
     output, but might still might have problems with those works which are
     perceived, rightly or not, as closer to the drier academic perspective
     ('Angelus Novus'--except for the 'Aliya' portion--, 'Aporias', maybe
     'Elegy') while enjoying those in Feldman-mode ('Redbird', 'Duras') as
     well as the notated noise pieces ('Etants Donnees'). In other words, I
     don't find the balance of interest shown in Zorn's relatively more
     accessible output to be surprising given the likely history of most
     subscribers. That being said, it may also be that many folk here, like
     myself, simply enjoy, say, 'Duras' more than 'Aporias' much like I
     enjoy Feldman much more than Boulez.

     >I've never encountered an audience in the USA like this, which
     >combines the best, most accepting and most intelligent (not to
     >mention courteous!)

Never? The audience at the Merkin Hall concert earlier this fall seemed pretty
receptive, etc. to me, as audiences at that venue generally tend to be. Maybe it
felt different from the stage, but the crowd appeared to run the gamut from
Painkiller-heads to new music aesthetes and most apparently enjoyed the, often,
difficult program.

Brian Olewnick (whose favorite concert of the year, BTW, was that of Mr. Drury
and Anthony de Mare performing Rzewski at the Kitchen)





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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:09:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: re:Peace on Earth

It's by Rashied Ali's group Prima Materia with folks like saxophonists
Louie Belogenis and Allan Chase and bassists Joe Gallant and William
Parker. It's the band's version of various Trane classics.

If you're *only* a Zornie, don't get the disc, he doesn't stand out at
all. If you're interested in jazz, Coltrane, Ali, fine music,
non-Marasalis jazz repretory recreations, etc. though, pick it up.

Even better, IMHO, is the group's recreation of Albert Ayler's Bells,
expanded from the original 19 minutes to 1 hr plus. Tenor saxophonist
Belogenis is the standout here and Greg Murphy joins on piano.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]






On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Charles Jacobus wrote:

> Anybody know anything about the disc titled
> Peace on Earth: Music of John Coltrane? I
> believe Zorn appears on it. Any comments,
> recommendations?
>
> Charles.
>
> -
>
>

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:09:54 -0500
From: "Joeseph Simon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Looking for info Z'eV

Altho this is not a full length by any means, Z'ev does appear on Without
Fear Recordings release by Pointless Orchestra (Approaching Totality).

He appears on one track.  Also on this CD are guests Illusion of Safety, Amy
Denio, John Hejeski, Panya Roonuraang, Anna Homler, Matt Turner, Joseph
Celli and others.

You can find the companys page at: www.northeastohio.com/withoutfear

They have put out a couple fine releases and promise a fe few others that
should be great.

Silent also put out a double CD of Z'evs.

Joeseph

- -----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Verstraeten <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 11:12 AM
Subject: Looking for info Z'eV

>Dear,
>
>Who knows where i can find some (online) info concerning the drummer
>Z'EV. I only own his avant-release and knows his is a music partner of
>glenn branca.
>
>Can anyone recommend me some records, opinions and (online) info
>
>Best wishes
>
>Stefan
>
>-



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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:35:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Martens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re[2]: Zorn becoming ...?

- [e-mail] wrote:
>      My sense of list-members is that a sizeable portion are fairly
young
>      and have come to JZ's work, not surprisingly, from a
rock-oriented
>      environment, which makes for an easier appreciation of Naked
City or
>      Painkiller than for 'Redbird' or 'Aporias'. Other, older farts
(like
>      myself) probably first heard Zorn after a thorough immersion in
the
>      jazz avant-garde and have an easier time with the whole range
of his
>      output, but might still might have problems with those works
which are
>      perceived, rightly or not, as closer to the drier academic
perspective
>      ('Angelus Novus'--except for the 'Aliya' portion--, 'Aporias',
maybe
>      'Elegy') while enjoying those in Feldman-mode ('Redbird',
'Duras') as
>      well as the notated noise pieces ('Etants Donnees').
As one of the fairly young subscribers who came to Zorn via the rock
side of his work, that sounds about right -- or about half right. The
other problem I have w/ Zorn's more "classical" works is that there's
a big hole in my knowledge of classical music beginning c. 1900, (one
of the few things I'm grateful to my father for is playing Mozart,
Wagner, Tchaikovsky, &c. when I was growing up, even if I cd.n't
appreciate it then) so I'm pretty much ignorant of the tradition these
pieces are coming out of (I'm slowly working @ remedying this), and I
don't really have any context to approach them thru, if that makes sense.
==
Eric Martens

"When you said that I wasn't worth talking to, I had to
take your word on that." -- Liz Phair



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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:38:50 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Looking for info Z'eV

Soleilmoon recently put out two Z'ev recordings:

*** - GHOST STORIES: Z'ev
*** - OPUS 3.1: Z'ev

Not sure if these are new releases or reissues.

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:02:27 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Looking for info Z'eV

On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Joeseph Simon wrote:

> Silent also put out a double CD of Z'evs.

Touch released a limited edition double-CD
retrospective in a box titled
"One Foot in the Grave". perhaps that's what
you are thinking of? it came with a fat
booklet including a biography, interviews,
a discography and other bits of information
on Z'ev. unfortunately, it's out of print.

a good place to simply read more about Z'ev
is the RE/Search Publications "Industrial Culture
Handbook" which includes an excellent
interview with Z'ev about his approach.
beware, the Avant disc is nothing like his
other works.

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:03:34 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Looking for info Z'eV

On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:

> Soleilmoon recently put out two Z'ev recordings:
>
> Not sure if these are new releases or reissues.

"Ghost Stories" is new. "Opus" is a
re-mastered re-issue of an out of print
release from Staalplaat.

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:19:29 -0500
From: "Joeseph Simon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Looking for info Z'eV

Actually, your right, it is Touch.  My apologies.  It is no longer out of
print through.  Bent Crayon at www.bentcrayon.com has copies and it was
recently reissued...perhaps from Silent (that may be why I was thinking
that.)  However, this reissue does not have the booklet.

Speaking of books, he did have one published under his name...but that one
is probally out of print.

Joeseph
- -----Original Message-----
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
To: Joeseph Simon <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>;
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for info Z'eV


>On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Joeseph Simon wrote:
>
>> Silent also put out a double CD of Z'evs.
>
>Touch released a limited edition double-CD
>retrospective in a box titled
>"One Foot in the Grave". perhaps that's what
>you are thinking of? it came with a fat
>booklet including a biography, interviews,
>a discography and other bits of information
>on Z'ev. unfortunately, it's out of print.
>
>a good place to simply read more about Z'ev
>is the RE/Search Publications "Industrial Culture
>Handbook" which includes an excellent
>interview with Z'ev about his approach.
>beware, the Avant disc is nothing like his
>other works.
>
>hasta.
>
>Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.
natURE.
>
>


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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:14:29 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Looking for info Z'eV

On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Joeseph Simon wrote:

> Actually, your right, it is Touch.  My apologies.  It is no longer out of
> print through.  Bent Crayon at www.bentcrayon.com has copies and it was
> recently reissued...perhaps from Silent (that may be why I was thinking
> that.)  However, this reissue does not have the booklet.

"Ghost of One Foot in the Grave"
was the re-issue you are referring to
minus the box and booklet. this was
also released by Touch. both of these
version are out of print. any copies
retailers still have are from existing
stocks sold ages ago by distributors.

Silent Records has been dead for years.

> Speaking of books, he did have one published under his name...but that one
> is probally out of print.

yes, it is.

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


- -

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:06:15 -0800
From: "Christian Heslop" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Assyrian cuneiform;Spillane;Takemitsu

I know this is not related to zorn, but this is an educated forum and I
thought I might find an answer to a difficult question here. Does anyone
out there know how to or knows anyone else who knows how to read assyrian
cuneiform? I was looking at somebone's bottle of cherry Coke when I noticed
some strange looking marks on it. After a little research I discovered that
it looked exactly like Assyrian cuneiform. That's where my ability to
pursue this further ran out.

One question that I do have that is related to zorn concerns a photo in the
liner notes for Spillane. It is the photo of a japanese filmmaker and his
wife on the set of a film. I don't have that particular album on hand right
now and I can't remember the names, but I was wondering if anyone knows
anything about the work of that particular filmmaker.

Finally...I have been listening to the Film Music of Toru Takemitsu and
would really like some recommendations on his guitar music and what other
recordings would be good to purchase. I would also be interested in
discussing the work of Leo Brouwer-privately, of course.


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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:06:57 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Assyrian cuneiform;Spillane;Takemitsu

In a message dated 12/3/98 7:04:28 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

<<Finally...I have been listening to the Film Music of Toru Takemitsu and

would really like some recommendations on his guitar music and what other

recordings would be good to purchase.>>

David Toop wrote a fairly comprehensive essay on Takemitsu and which of his
available material he recommends for the current (December) issue of the Tower
Records magazine, Pulse. unfortunately, none of his musique concrete is
available on CD.

Jon

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:09:36 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Assyrian cuneiform;Spillane;Takemitsu

On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:06:57 EST  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> David Toop wrote a fairly comprehensive essay on Takemitsu and which of his
> available material he recommends for the current (December) issue of the Tower
> Records magazine, Pulse. unfortunately, none of his musique concrete is
> available on CD.

Talking about David Toop, does anybody knows his e-mail address? I would like
to let him know the correct spelling of Olivier Messiaen.

The funny thing is that THE WIRE has been consistent in mispelling his name
(thanks to Toop, I guess), to the point that now other people (outside THE
WIRE) are using the wrong orthograph!!!!

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:57:26 -0800
From: Todd Bramy <[e-mail]>
Subject: William Parker advice?

I just got the William Parker/In Order To Survive double disc called "The
Peach Orchard" and just love it. Could someone tell me where I might go
next to find the definitive Parker?

Thanks-
Todd



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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:09:52 -0300
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: William Parker advice?

Todd Bramy wrote:
>
> I just got the William Parker/In Order To Survive double disc called "The
> Peach Orchard" and just love it. Could someone tell me where I might go
> next to find the definitive Parker?

This is a GREAT 2CD set.
Your question-- Looooong story. Off the very top of my head--
The other IOTS discs are all beautiful.
The Little Huey Orchestra discs are fantastic.
The Ware Quartet releases are more-or-less phenomenal. Get the new one.
Cecil Taylor also. Live in Bologna.
But he's everywhere.
Assif Tsahar trio. Many items in the Ware/Shipp/Ibarra discogs below,
but, again, he's everywhere.
Oh, ZO, duet w/ Shipp.
Shipp Multiplication Table Trio.
Shipp hatOLOGY Horn Quartet.
Other Dimensions In Music.
Everywhere...

Someone stop me...
RL
- --
Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp, David S.
Ware, and Reggie Workman discographies--Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball
& the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc.,  at:
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k

***Very Various Music For Sale:
***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:39:31 -0800
From: "Christian Heslop" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Amazon.com's 100 best list

The Zorn bin at the Borders in Monterey California had these albums:
Heretic, Redbird, Kristallnacht, Ganryu Island, The Big Gundown, Spillane,
Music for Children, and one of the Filmworks albums. They also had quite a
lot of Bill Frisell's work. I'm really surprised at how much these large
stores actually carry.
    Has anyone noticed the death of the small Bestseller stores like Readmore,
B. Dalton, etc.? Waldenbooks is starting to imitate the much more succesful
Barnes and Noble. B & N as well as Borders carries a lot of material that I
have never had easy access to before, outside of university libraries. I
hope that the trend of large completist book stores manages to survive. I
know someone in tax law who claims that it is common knowledge in his
professional community as well as in law enforcement that Barnes and Noble
is actually owned by an organized crime group. Supposedly this is supposed
to explain why it is as successful as it is despite the obvious expense it
goes to ensure a large and varied stock. A stock that, putting my faith in
humanity aside, I wonder how it sells.
    In my area the small mall record stores as well as the nasty little pop
chains like Wherehouse are also dying out. They are being replaced by
independtly owned stores and the Tower chain. It runs counter to my usual
assumptions to see such large stores cater as well as they do to marginal
tastes. Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon in their areas? What is it
that is causing big business to market to small niches?

- ----------
>
> At 01:40 AM 12/3/98 EST, [e-mail] wrote:
> >you might try borders.com as there physical stores caryy a large
> percentage of
> >available zadik releases.
>
> Where you are maybe.  Even the Zorn bin at my local borders only carries
> the Nonesuch releases.
>
> --
> Caleb Deupree
> [e-mail]
>
> Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
> -- Pablo Picasso
>
> -

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:43:52 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: Amazon.com's 100 best list

In a message dated 12/3/98 23:37:21, you wrote:

>Waldenbooks is starting to imitate the much more succesful
>
>Barnes and Noble

if memory serves (being a former of the big ugly b+n) b+n and waldenbooks are
kinda one and the same. discounts apply, etc. so it makes sense that b dalton
is slowly going the way of the betamax (better, but nobody's buying).

- -

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