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Zorn List Digest      Thursday, December 3 1998      Volume 02 : Number 543



In this issue:
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       Re: Per Henrik Wallin
       Listowner! (No Zorn content)
       Re: _Radio_ cover/ Ganelin Trio (unrelated)
       Re: /Braxton/Cecil/Chadbourne
       Amazon.com's 100 best list
       Parachute Years box for sale
       Re:  Amazon.com's 100 best list
       Hi, were back. I hope.
       Re: _Radio_ cover/ Ganelin Trio (unrelated)
       Re: Amazon.com's 100 best list
       Re: Harriet Tubman?
       Re: Harriet Tubman?
       Re: Amazon.com's 100 best list
       zorn's neverending influence
       Re: Amazon.com's 100 best list
       Re: Zorn becoming ...?
       re:
       RE: Amazon.com's 100 best list
       RE:
       messing w/ speed of Torture Garden

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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 19:13:15 -0500
From: Dan Given <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Per Henrik Wallin

>From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Per Henrik Wallin (was Re: Melody Unasked For (fwd))
>
>> Per Henrik Wallin, Deep in a Dream. I Guess I'll Have to Change My Plans.
>>         (Dragon)
>
>What do people think of Per Henrik Wallin? I've never heard him but I know
>Mats Gustafsson plays on at least one of his records. Could anyone describe
>his playing?
>
>                                          -Tom Pratt

I have a couple of his discs, including the one with Gustafsson.  I don't
play them very often.  He is in the lineage of Euro-improv that is vaguely
related to jazz.  The closest comparison I can think of is Irene Schweizer,
on the two solo albums on Intakt.  However, where Schweizer makes the music
sound fresh and interesting, Wallin's version of it just seems like he is
stringing together old ideas, with not a lot of new, creative,
contribution.  The one with Gustafsson (Dolphins Dolphins Dolphins) has a
couple of good pieces by Mats, but probably not worht it just for those.



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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:23:18 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Listowner! (No Zorn content)

Sorry all-

I can't remember the email addy for the listowner here, but i've got an answer
about that 7-bit/8-bit email situation we were discussing a couple of months
ago.  Get back in touch if you're interested...

=dgasque=

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:23:12 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: _Radio_ cover/ Ganelin Trio (unrelated)

In a message dated 12/2/98 10:52:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Also, if anyone could tell me something about the Ganelin Trio (Russian
>  jazz group) that would be helpful - like about their recordings.  i've
>  read about them and while their is no downtown connection it seems like
>  they might bear some resemblence to other people talked about here.  The
>  Penguin guide is more confusing than anything else to say, so I'm fuzzy as
>  to what Kind of resemblence, but it seems interesting.  Reply off the
>  list if you want,

After I had bought up all the readily available vinyl I could find by the AEOC
in the mid-80's, I asked a friend of mine who runs Papa Jazz in Columbia about
bands similar to that group.  He introduced me to Leo Records and The Ganelin
Trio, calling them the "Art Ensemble of Russia."  Got to say, that comparison
is pretty much on the mark, that is if you replace the African themes of the
AEOC with Russian folk influences.  I haven't really kept up with the band
since pianist Slava Ganelin emigrated to Israel in the late 80s, so I don't
really know what's available on CD or still available on LP, but all of the
LPs I heard from the original trio of Ganelin/Tarasov/Chekesin are very good.
The first one I know is on CD, titled _A Night in East Berlin_ or something
like that.  It's a pretty good place to start.

=dgasque=

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:23:16 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: /Braxton/Cecil/Chadbourne

In a message dated 12/2/98 2:34:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Speaking of Beefheart, can anyone recommend the next best thing to listen
>  to after Trout Mask Replica?

The Swedish trio Kraldjursanstalden.  Probably still available from Wayside.
It's like Beefheart on speed with vocals in Swedish.  Mind blowing music...

=dgasque=

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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 19:54:34 -0600
From: Charles Gillett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Amazon.com's 100 best list

Here's a taste of what everyone's favorite faceless bookstore thinks of
this year's crop of CDs:

8. Piazzolla: Mar=EDa de Buenos Aires
20. Noon Chill - Arto Lindsay
28. Live In Greenwich Village: The Complete Impulse Recordings - Albert=
 Ayler
29. No Idea - Misha Mengelberg Trio
49. Shleep - Robert Wyatt
50. Marc Ribot Y Los Cubanos Postizos - Marc Ribot
53. Starters Alternators - The Ex
56. Coming Home Jamaica - Art Ensemble Of Chicago
71. Stumble - Ken Vandermark, Aaly Trio
74. Dok - Oval, Christophe Charles
75. Wave Field - Rafael Toral
79. The Circle Maker - John Zorn

Also a fair amount of African and South American music, and probably some
other things list members might enjoy (Labradford, MMW, Amon Tobin).  An
oddly even-handed list.  Bob Dylan's 1996 concert set is #1.


- -- Charles


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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 98 17:56:14 -0800
From: Rusty Crump <[e-mail]>
Subject: Parachute Years box for sale

After an extended bout of zornic completismitis, I have emerged with my
financial standing shaky but intact, and my temperature, bp and red count
slowly returning to normal. Suddenly, I no longer feel the compulsion to
own everything the man puts out.

With this in mind, I offer for sale my copy of the Parachute Years box
set. Mint, played once. Some discs not even played once. First offer of
$70 gets it; shipping is on me. E-mail me privately. Thanks for shopping,
and come again.

Rusty Crump
Redding, CA


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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:58:47 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Amazon.com's 100 best list

I was coincidently browsing through some of the amazon.com jazz listings t=
oday
in an effort to secure a good deal on the Bitches Brew box (I ended up fin=
ding
it for 39 bucks including shipping, from a place called Total E that seems=
 to
be the online site for Columbia House. if you're interested, there's a cou=
pon
you need at:

http://www.totale.com/passthru?bodytmpl=3Dwb/tmpls/jump.html).

anyway, I was also impressed by the "avant-garde/free" listings and
recommendations. one thing that's interesting to note, however, is that th=
ey
only allow CDs they carry to be on their lists or in their articles. so, w=
hile
they are pushing the new Art Ensemble record pretty hard, with four or fiv=
e
separate mini-articles on them (!). they follow it with what claim to be
definitive Art Ensemble of Chicago on CD suggestions, not including the 5 =
CD
Nessa box, the 2 Black Lion discs, the Fontella Bass record, etc.

on the other hand, they have only been carrying music for a few months, an=
d
they already have a pretty wide range of stuff. I did a label search on "H=
at"
and found a whole bunch of more obscure Hat Art CDs for $13.49 apiece,
including some gems like the Anthony Ortega record or Myra Melford's "Aliv=
e In
The House Of Saints".

and that Rafael Toral record is pretty great, layered droning feedback tha=
t
sounds beautiful loud or soft.

so, despite what someone posted a while back, I'm planning on posting my
notable records and notable reissues of 1998 lists here sometime in the ne=
xt
few weeks, unless I get some personal e-mails asking me not to. please don=
't
send a response on this topic to the whole list.

Jon

In a message dated 12/2/98 8:56:10 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

<<Here's a taste of what everyone's favorite faceless bookstore thinks o

this year's crop of CDs:



8. Piazzolla: Mar=EDa de Buenos Aires

20. Noon Chill - Arto Lindsay

28. Live In Greenwich Village: The Complete Impulse Recordings - Albert Ay=
ler

29. No Idea - Misha Mengelberg Trio

49. Shleep - Robert Wyatt

50. Marc Ribot Y Los Cubanos Postizos - Marc Ribot

53. Starters Alternators - The Ex

56. Coming Home Jamaica - Art Ensemble Of Chicago

71. Stumble - Ken Vandermark, Aaly Trio

74. Dok - Oval, Christophe Charles

75. Wave Field - Rafael Toral

79. The Circle Maker - John Zorn>>



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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:36:23 -0600
From: "abulafia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hi, were back. I hope.

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internet mail thing now.  Or least I hope we are.  Send us something so =
we can make sure all is well.  Thanks, see yas.
 J&J

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:36:52 -0800
From: "Christian Heslop" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: _Radio_ cover/ Ganelin Trio (unrelated)

Definitely the responsibility of whoever brought up such a thing.You can't
just run around willy-nilly tempting people and teasing their appetites for
absurdity. I want to see it...I want to see it. I might settle for a
detailed description of the facial expressions worn by Jane Pauley and
Bryant Gumbel after the set.....no I won't.

- ----------
> From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
> To: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
> Cc: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: _Radio_ cover/ Ganelin Trio (unrelated)
> Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 1:15 PM
>
> Rich Williams wrote:
> >
> > The Ganelin Trio played on  NBC's Today show
> > into 5 minutes of Free improv
> > A true golden moment in
> > american broadcasting.
>
> Where's the tape? Someone somewhere has to have a tape of this.
> I believe it's your responsibility, having mentioned this chestnut, to
> find us all access to a tape! ;-)
>
> Let me now,
> RL


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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 01:10:51 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Amazon.com's 100 best list

Charles Gillett wrote:

> Here's a taste of what everyone's favorite faceless bookstore thinks of
> this year's crop of CDs

An amazingly high percentage of Amazon.com's reviewers are subversive new music
types from alternative weeklies.  The word got around that Amazon.com paid really
well - and promptly - and the writers who responded most quickly were those who'd
toiled for little pay at the weeklies.

BTW - I don't think we can call Amazon.com "everyone's favorite" anymore... today
at work I got a spam-mail urging a widespread boycott, since they've allowed a
seemingly notorious homophobe / militant right-to-lifer / racist talk radio host
(someone I'd never heard of, but his website read like Rush Limbaugh to the nth
degree, minus the humor) to be one of their countless "sales associates" -
websites that sell stuff for Amazon.com via their own sites - to push his
preferred literature choices.  I guess this is where the First Amendment really
confronts the Free Market...

Anyway, the "jazz editors" at CDNow.com and BarnesandNoble.com (the latter
opening for music sales in March '99) are also Downtown-minded writers, so it
wouldn't be unusual to see something on these sites that would never appear in
their real world stores.

In that light, the list Charles forwarded is not so surprising.  But it is mighty
refreshing that the Net shops still allow some modicum of escape from the
overwhelming boredom of real world retail chains.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

P.S.  While I've had nothing of substance to contribute, I've very much admired
and enjoyed the ongoing debate re: the age/invention curve.  Some of the
liveliest posting we've seen 'round these parts lately...


- -

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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 06:14:49 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Harriet Tubman?

At 08:23 AM 12/2/98 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:

>Its interesting,
>If it werent for listening to music, I would have absolutely no clue who
>Harriett Tubman was.   (And probably a few other important historical
>figures.) They didn't teach me anything about Harriet Tubman in any of my
>history classes.  (Then again, I did go to school in the South)

It is unfortunate that we know so little, because the schools don't teach
it to us.  I never heard of the March of Tears in school, I never heard of
Harriet Tubman in school.  Most Americans know far more about Monica
Lewinsky than they do about the Civil War.


Jeff Spirer
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
B&W Photos, Words: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

- -

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:23:24 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Harriet Tubman?

In a message dated 12/1/98 6:18:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

>
>  Patrice is a Frenchman.  However, any American on this list who can't
>  answer the question of who she was should spend a lot more time reading
>  than listening to music.  She is one of the true heros of American history

Its interesting,
If it werent for listening to music, I would have absolutely no clue who
Harriett Tubman was.   (And probably a few other important historical
figures.) They didn't teach me anything about Harriet Tubman in any of my
history classes.  (Then again, I did go to school in the South)

- -Jody

PS-  just saw Harriet Tubman (the band) last Saturday, not bad...

- -

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 01:40:25 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Amazon.com's 100 best list

you might try borders.com as there physical stores caryy a large percentage of
available zadik releases.

- -

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 01:48:46 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: zorn's neverending influence

i just thought of something about how zorn influenced me outside of music. i
don't remember who originally brought this up, but i have purchased movies
because i have heard the titles before. the first one i got because of zorn is
called grand guignol. it gave me a little insight into what the liner notes
were talking about. i don't know if jz saw the flick, but it would make sense
that he did.
the other movie i was inspired to check out because of the music of jz was
entrails of a virgin. i'm a really big fan of painkiller and noticed the title
right away. i had to have it. i didn't care that it was in japanese with no
subtitles.

btw, can anyone translate japanese? :-)

- -

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 06:11:54 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Amazon.com's 100 best list

At 01:40 AM 12/3/98 EST, [e-mail] wrote:
>you might try borders.com as there physical stores caryy a large
percentage of
>available zadik releases.

Where you are maybe.  Even the Zorn bin at my local borders only carries
the Nonesuch releases.

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:39:32 -0500
From: stephen drury <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn becoming ...?

I noticed, in spite of a lot of references to "classical" composers, little
or no reference in this discussion to Zorn's "classical" (i.e., fully
notated for conventional accoustic instruments) work.  I also notice the
occasional remark showing somewhat less enthusiasm for this aspect of Z's
work (which seems to constitute an ever-larger proportion of his recent
compositional activity).  Those remarks are infrequent; perhaps more
noticable is the generally lesser interest shown in works like "Aporias"  (I
don't mean to be narcissistic here).

The audiences I played for recently in Europe with Zorn's ensemble were
astonishing in the close attention and interest and patience they showed in
an incredibly wide range of musical styles and content -- and we did some
_very_ demanding shit, from extreme noise to really, really long, quiet,
abstract counterpoint.  I've never encountered an audience in the USA like
this, which combines the best, most accepting and most intelligent (not to
mention courteous!) aspects of the audiences for the Boston Symphony, the
Group for New Music, Anthony Braxton and the Clash (I'm dating myself).
Does anybody have any thoughts on this?  Are we seeing (and participating
in, here on this list) the birth of a new, more widely curious audience at
the same time the Boston Symphony's audience is dying off, one by one?  As a
"classical" performer, I have a rather personal interest in this.
- --- steve


- -

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:31:23 -0500
From: Charles Jacobus <[e-mail]>
Subject: re:

Anybody know anything about the disc titled
Peace on Earth: Music of John Coltrane? I
believe Zorn appears on it. Any comments,
recommendations?

Charles.

- -

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:48:03 -0500
From: "hijk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Amazon.com's 100 best list

I'd be curious to find out just how or by whom this list was compiled.  Does
it have anything to do with sales or the buying public, or is it a
collection of some savvy buyer's lists?

JK
[e-mail]


- -

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:00:13 +0100
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Moreno?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE:

"PEACE ON EARTH" KNITTING FACTORY WORKS 158 PRIMA MATERIA WHIT R. ALI, A.
CHASE, BELLOGENIS...
jesusmoreno

- ----------
> De: Charles Jacobus <[e-mail]>
> A: 'The Zorn List' <[e-mail]>
> Asunto: re:
> Fecha: jueves 3 de diciembre de 1998 15:31
>
> Anybody know anything about the disc titled
> Peace on Earth: Music of John Coltrane? I
> believe Zorn appears on it. Any comments,
> recommendations?
>
> Charles.
>
> -


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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 18:59:44 -0800
From: pjm <[e-mail]>
Subject: messing w/ speed of Torture Garden

I'm approximately 35 digests behind , so i'm a lurker in the past. Some one
mentioned the following:

>I will listen to TG on endless repeat when I'm in the mood. It is the
>ultimate album to waken up a dead party. It never fails to shock and/or
>nauseate somebody. Another fun way to listen to it is on vinyl at 33 1/3
>RPMs. It was pressed at 45 RPM and you get a slightly slower, longer, but
>still great album at 33 1/3. If you have it on vinyl, try it at least once.

... which leads me to mention the joy i find in recording various songs
from Torture Garden on to the PC and slowing them down with Goldwave. I
have actually taped "Speedfreaks" at 10% of its normal speed because it was
so incredible. It's kind of like the MELVINS or "leng tche". A good time
for those so inclined.

        See you in the future.

                        pjm


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