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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #529
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, November 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 529
In this issue:
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Re: Potlatch
pizzolla redux
Re: pizzolla redux
A few questions
Re: A few questions
Re: Michael Mantler Discography
Re: A few questions
William Parker's In Order To Survive
Recent Goodies
Re: Sabbath in Paradise
Re: A few questions
Parachute Years
Discussion on Laswell & (why not) Zorn Collectors' club
Hermann Nitsch
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:50:41 -0500
From: Dan Given <dlgiven@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: Potlatch
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:36:55 +0100 (CET)
> From: Oger <oger@worldnet.fr>
> Subject: Potlatch
>
> Information about new Potlatch CD releases :
>
> 1. Fred Van HOVE "FLUX" (double CD)
> Piano solo recorded live in january 1998.
>
> 2. Daunik LAZRO (sax)/ Carlos "ZINGARO" (violin,electronics) duo "HAUTS
> PLATEAUX". Recorded live in february 1995.
>
> 3. Michel DONEDA soprano sax solo "ANATOMIE DES CLEFS"
> Recorded in winter 1998.
>
> More information available at http://www.potlatch.digiweb.fr
>
> Jacques Oger
>
I want to give these discs a high recommendation! I just finished listening to the
Lazro/Zingaro, and one half of the Van Hove. Both are great.
Considering Lazro is a colleague of Joe McPhee, this recording makes an interesting
companion piece to the McPhee/Prentice disc. Very different. It is much more
abstract, at times very intense, at others very sparse.
The Van Hove is even better than his recent release on Nuscope. Flux is two long
pieces, on per disc. I listened to the second one. It is a fine example of why he
should be considered one of the great pianistsof our time. He is also one of he
few free jazz pianists who doesn't borrow too much from Cecil Taylor. The piece I
listened to is 42 minutes long, covering a wide range of piano technique, and never
flags in energy or creativity.
The Doneda disc is my next listen.
And for anyone not familiar with Potlatch, also check out their first release from
last spring, a Derek Bailey/Joelle Leandre duet. Nothing more needs to be said
about that.
Dan
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:53:50 PST
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: pizzolla redux
Last month, Steve Smith mentioned a great "trilogy" of albums by Astor
Piazzolla, all origially on American Clave, I think. What are these
albums? Also, a friend recommended ZERO HOUR, but I notice there is a
ZERO HOUR and a TANGO ZERO HOUR. What's the difference?
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:21:44 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: pizzolla redux
In a message dated 11/17/98 11:56:39 AM, c123018@hotmail.com wrote:
<<Last month, Steve Smith mentioned a great "trilogy" of albums by Astor
Piazzolla, all origially on American Clave, I think. What are these
albums?>>
The three records are _Tango: Zero Hour_, _The Rough Dancer and the Cyclical
Night_, and _La Camorra: La Soledad de la Provocacion Apasionada_. Easily the
best Piazzolla records, I've heard, especially Tango.
Jon
NP: WKCR's Electroacoustic Festival: 4 straight hours of electronic Xenakis!
break out those tapes, baby.
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:49:52 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: A few questions
> > For a full 72 consecutive hours, all day on November 17, 18, and 19,
> WKCR-FM 89.9 in NEW YORK CITY, the original FM radio station, will be
> presenting an Electronic Music Festival. The festival will run the gamut,
>
Do they broadcast over the internet?
> Course I haven't seen the film in question, but, as the Elephant Man said, "Oh,
> I shall, I shall."
>
Where can one see this? Is it on video or only at special theatre
showings?
t Peter told me that there is a different
> accordianist on the new Krakauer cd, so I don't know who is the official
> accordianist, maybe used to be Alpert, and now Reichman?
Someone's prob. answered this already, but its Reichman on the new one,
yes.
Here's my other question: I read about the group Alterations (S.
Beresford, Peter Cusack, David Toop, one other ?) in Derek
Bailey's book, and recently I got the record _Guitar Solos 3_ (for $3!, w/
Frith, Chadbourne, Kaiser, Rowe, D. Williams, P. Cusack, and somone else).
Anyway I liked Cusack's song, "Whistling with Guitar Accompaniement" and
I've liked Beresford sometimes, so I'm wondeering -do they have any
recordings and were/are they any good? The label is/was Bead, I think.
Thanks for any help,
WY
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:12:00 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: A few questions
In a message dated 11/17/98 12:54:19 PM, wyork@email.unc.edu wrote:
<<> > For a full 72 consecutive hours, all day on November 17, 18, and 19,
> WKCR-FM 89.9 in NEW YORK CITY, the original FM radio station, will be
> presenting an Electronic Music Festival. The festival will run the gamut,
>
Do they broadcast over the internet?>>
Unfortunately, no.
Jon
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:47:35 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Michael Mantler Discography
philz wrote:
>
> Here's a discography I picked up in '94 from Julian Christou on the prog
> rock list... it's a it out of date, and I believe more of the Watt stuff
> has been reissued on CD on the ECM label, but I have no idea how much. I
> know I'd like it all, though :)
>
- --
>
> The Hapless Child And Other Inscrutable Stories WATT WATT/4 1976 LP
> No Answer WATT WATT/2 1973 LP
> Silence WATT WATT/5 1977 LP
> More Movies WATT WATT/10 1980 LP
> Something There WATT WATT/13 1983 LP
> Alien WATT WATT/15 1985 LP
> Live WATT WATT/18 1987 LP
> Many Have No Speech WATT WATT/19 1988 CD
To which I would add;
Movies WATT/7 1978
> Mantler, Bley,Swallow,Tony Williams, Larry Coryell
13 3/4 WATT/3 1973
> This is a split Mantler/Bley disc Mantlers piece is 13, for piano and 2 orchestras
Folly Seeing All This ECM 1485 1994
> Mantler, Rick Fenn, The Balanescu quartet,Karen Mantler, Wollfgang Puschnig, Dave Adams, Jack Bruce
Cerco Un Paese Innocente ECM 78118-21556-2 1995
> w/Mona Larsen and The danish Radio Big Band
The School of Understanding ECM 78118-21648-2 1997
> w/ Don Preston, Jack Bruce, Robert Wyatt, John Greaves..............
...plus the Jazz Composers Orchestra disc...dont know if that is
considered Mantlers disc or not, my copy has long since vanished...
BTW, while looking some of this up, I stumbled across a page on the ECM
website that allows you to buy those hard-to-find European only ECM
rekeases;
http://www.ecmrecords.com/ecm/pricehelp/order-munich.html
and yes, you can get The Hapless Child on CD there!
There goes my credit card limit....again ;-)
RW
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:37:24 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: A few questions
William York wrote:
> Here's my other question: I read about the group Alterations (S.
> Beresford, Peter Cusack, David Toop, one other ?) in Derek
> Bailey's book, and recently I got the record _Guitar Solos 3_ (for $3!, w/
> Frith, Chadbourne, Kaiser, Rowe, D. Williams, P. Cusack, and somone else).
Is this the record with Keith Rowe's excellent version of "For A"? (while the version
on AMM's 'It Had Been An Ordinary Enough Day In Pueblo, Colorado' was so
uninteresting...)
> Anyway I liked Cusack's song, "Whistling with Guitar Accompaniement" and
> I've liked Beresford sometimes, so I'm wondeering -do they have any
> recordings and were/are they any good? The label is/was Bead, I think.
Your missing man seems to be Terry Day. Here's the info:
Peter Cusack/Steve Beresford/Terry Day/David Toop - Alterations (Bead 9)
Bead released the record in '78 and I'm sure it's very difficult to find by now.
Violinist Phillip Wachsmann runs the label now and I'm pretty sure he's been running
it since it began. Both his solo 'Chathuna' and the Gushwachs disc are pretty
phenomenal and I'm hoping they get to reissuing some of their vinyl onto CD. Check
out Peter Stubley's excellent European Free Improvisors page at
http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/ for all this info. There's an address for Bead
which you might try writing...
Here's a listing of Bead records with either Cusak or Beresford:
Peter Cusack/Simon Mayo - Milk Teeth (Bead 1)
Peter Cusack - After Being In Holland For Two Years (Bead 5)
Gunter Christmann/Maarten van Regteren Altena/Peter Cusack/Guus Janssen/Paul
Lovens - Groups In Front Of People 1 (Bead 14)
Evan Parker/Terry Day/Maarten van Regteren Altena/Peter Cusack/Guus Janssen/Paul
Termos/Paul Lytton - Groups In Front Of People 2 (Bead 15)
Nigel Coombes/Steve Beresford - White String's Attached (Bead 16)
Peter Cusack/Clive Bell - Bird Jumps Into Wood (Bead 22)
I haven't actually heard any of these (just lifted them off Peter Stubley's site!)
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:49:59 -0500
From: Alan E Kayser <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: William Parker's In Order To Survive
William Parker's In Order to Survive will be celebrating the release of
their new 2XCD recording this Sunday at the Unitarian Church, 22nd &
Chestnut Sts, Phialdelphia at 4PM. The quartet consists of William on
bass, Susie Ibarra drums, Rob Brown alto sax, and Cooper-Moore piano.
Tickets will be available at the door.
Sunday, December 6, Uri Caine's Mahler/Primal Light.
The Unitarian Church, 22nd & Chestnut Sts., 4PM.
SWEETNIGHTER PRODUCTIONS
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:17:07 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Recent Goodies
Fred Frith Pacifica Tzadik
Surprised I haven't see more discussion of this here. For my bucks, this
is Frith's finest, most mature work yet. Essentially a single, long
piece (with a brief coda for marimba), it's a chamber orchestra plus
electronics setting for sparse text by Neruda. Largely calm and
resonant, with songlike melodic patterns floating to the surface, nice
use of natural sounds (a fire's crackling emerges periodically), softly
intoned texts. Someone here posted a Frith response to (anticipated?)
critics of this work a few months back. As I recall, he somewhat
resented fans wanting more rock-oriented work. Well, IMHO, this is
easily on par with his best Skeleton Crew work and, as a large scale
undertaking (conceptually or materially), fulfills all of the promise of
'The Technology of Tears".
Willem Breuker Psalm 122 BVHaast
I can't tell you the misgivings I had buying this one, but the Breuker
completist in me won out. Breuker doing a religious work?! The guy who
wrote the music to Doodzonde? Shoulda listened to my inner atheist. This
continues the downward spiral of WB's recorded work since 'Heibel' (with
the exception, I have to say, of 'Sensemaya'). Live, the Kollektief
still kicks major butt, but on recordings he's gotten into this
repertoire habit where his tendency towards plodding pomposity is
unleashed. There's some decent playing here and there (the great Andy
Altenfelder and some nice work by Alex Coke), but by and large it's
deadly earnest, accent on the deadly. "Comic relief" comes in the form
of a few movements for barrel organ. Sorry, not buying any. If you only
avoid purchasing one Breuker album in your lifetime, make sure it's this
one.
John White Piano Sonatas NMC
In the liners for Howard Skempton's beautiful 'Well, Well, Cornelius',
pianist Tilbury is mentioned as a proponent of contemporary British
composers Michael Smith and John White, both of whom have done time in
Gavin Bryars' ensemble. A while ago, I picked up Smith's 'First Piano
Concert' on Matchless and found it surprisinly bland; White's work is
pretty much the same. Whereas Skempton produces deep, heartfelt songs
with apparent (though misleading) simplicity, these two trot out a tango
here, a waltz there, handsomely crafted but with little integrity. My
guess is that, critically, Skempton gets unfairly lumped in with White
and Smith in the 'New Simplicity' movement. Don't believe the hype.
Skempton's the real thing.
(Various) Smarnamisa! Avant
Some pretty neat music from northeast Italy, in the Resia Valley, that
draws strongly from Slavic strains. Mostly performed on violin and
cello with vocals, hand clappings and foot stompings. Interesting
variation on the Balkana things we've known and loved.
Nenes Akemodoro Unai Antinos
So I had seen this blurb in the Knit schedule for a female Japanese trio
called Ne Ne that sounded intriguing and had then forgotten about it. A
week later I'm browsing the Japanese section in the store, see this disc
and figure it's the same band. Wrong. But happily so. This is an
Okinawan pop quartet, coming out of that island's folk roots movement
that turn out to be a good deal of fun. Think of them as the Okinawan
equivalent of Madagascar's Tarika Sammy. If you enjoyed 'Hai Jai
Oki-San' from the first French, Frith, Kaiser, Thompson album, you might
consider picking this one up.
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:50:28 -0500
From: alankin <lankina@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Sabbath in Paradise
Sounds like an interesting movie.
> That's Michael Alpert from David Krakauer's Trio (isn't he on the cd you
> mentioned at the end of your mail?) and I believe he is also in the
> Klezmatics.
Michael Alpert's a violinist in "Brave Old World."
- --
Alan Lankin
lankina@worldnet.att.net
http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:25:19 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: A few questions
> [...] I got the record _Guitar Solos 3_ [...]
> Is this the record with Keith Rowe's excellent version of "For A"? (while the version
> on AMM's 'It Had Been An Ordinary Enough Day In Pueblo, Colorado' was so
> uninteresting...)
Yes, that's the one. The other night I listened to it on 45 rpm without
realizing it and I didn't even notice the difference, except for the
length.
>
> > Anyway I liked Cusack's song, "Whistling with Guitar Accompaniement" and
> > I've liked Beresford sometimes, so I'm wondeering -do they have any
> > recordings and were/are they any good? The label is/was Bead, I think.
>
> Your missing man seems to be Terry Day. Here's the info:
>
> Peter Cusack/Steve Beresford/Terry Day/David Toop - Alterations (Bead 9)
>
[snip]
Thanks, I don't expect to have much luck but I'll try.
its too bad thatthis stuff
is so impossible to find. I like this approach, from what I've heard -not
too serious, not afraid to play melodic stuff, etc. Actually Cusack's
song on _Guitar Solos 3_ is the only one I have any idea as to how its
played -basically harmonics in standard tuning. I can get that, too bad I
can't whistle.
WY
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:53:16 EST
From: OnionPalac@aol.com
Subject: Parachute Years
Can anyone tell me if The Parachute Years boxed set is worth getting for
$73.00.
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:51:32 +0100
From: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be>
Subject: Discussion on Laswell & (why not) Zorn Collectors' club
Dear Downtowners (real & virtual)
For those of you who dig Bill Laswell and are not subscribed to the
laswell mailing list (shame on you, hahahahaha), the following news.
I started a question/discussion about a laswell (read the topic below &
the first reactions) collectors' club.
What do you think of this idea??? Would you deposit f.e. 100 u.s.
dollars? Or for the european listmembers, would you pay some brand new
EURO money???
> From: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be>
> Subject: An interersting idea for Jeff Spirer, Bill Laswell and fans
>
> Dear Laswellians,
>
> A few days ago, everyone was pleased with the possibility that Bill
> Laswell and Jeff Spirer would distribute live cd's trough this list.
> This reminded me of something that exists allready. The fans of King
> Krimson have started something called 'The collectors' club'. Fans
> deposited a certain amount of money in advance. In this way, Robert
> Fripp and a guy called Toby (this person can be compared with Mr.
> Spirer, since this person also has regular contact with the artist)
> could set up the preliminary production process. Then, every time a
> (live or demo or rarity) cd comes out, they substract something from the
> deposit.
>
> What are the advantages of a system like this: Well, in this way, it is
> possible to publish cd's that are perhaps not suitable for big
> distribution, but stuff that die hard fans like us are willing to die
> for (sorry for the exageration). I think a lot of fans would like to
> hear demos, live cd's,... as I said, things that are not interesting
> enough for major distribution. A great expansive cover artwork won't be
> necessary, it is the music that counts.
>
> And thanks to the deposit that fans made, the artist knows that this
> project wont hurt him financially.
>
> So, my question is, what do you think of this idea, dear Laswell fans,
> are you willing to deposit a certain amount of money to get rare stuff
> from from laswell??? I WOULD CERTAINLY...........
> And Mr. Jeff Spirer, what do YOU think of this idea, and please, would
> you pass this email/question to Bill Laswell (and let us know his
> reaction).
>
> Thanks in advance for the reactions, I'd like to hear of it.
>
> Best wishes,
> --
> Stefan Verstraeten
> From: Kip Robinson <kor@montana.com>
> Subject: Re: An interersting idea for Jeff Spirer, Bill Laswell and fans
>
> I think this is a great idea! Not only does it give the deserving fans a
> chance to hear what Laswell and participating musicians are capable of from a
> live perspective. It also keeps the control issue in the hands of someone I
> already trust.
> From: laerm <laerm@voicenet.com>
> Subject: Re: An interersting idea for Jeff Spirer, Bill Laswell and fans
> also reminiscent of staalplaat's muslimgauze subscription service.
>
> i'd sign up for it...
> From: Mark Lachman <marklachman@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: An interersting idea for Jeff Spirer, Bill Laswell and fans
> yes, I agree and would sign up for it.
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 11:05:50 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Hermann Nitsch
Has anyone heard the recorded versions of Nitsch's work? I've only
read of his "spectacles", have no idea what the music, or associated
goings-on, sounds like and am curious how much of this successfully
tranfers to disc. I saw a couple of releases of his recently (somewhat
relieved that the CD packet was not blood-spattered), but was
reluctant to take the plunge without further info.
Thanks,
Brian Olewnick
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