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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #528
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, November 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 528
In this issue:
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Re: Sabbath in Paradise
Re: Sabbath in Paradise
Potlatch
Michael Mantler
Re: Michael Mantler
Re: Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website)
NYC electroacoustic radio alert
100 turntables
Re: Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website)
Re: Michael Mantler
Re: Sabbath in Paradise
Re: Sabbath in Paradise
Michael Alpert
Re: Sabbath in Paradise
Introduction and NYC visit
Re: Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website)
Shea
Re: Michael Mantler
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:48:27 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Sabbath in Paradise
> Marc Ribot talks in his slightly drug-fucked way about a lot of things.
> Because of his manner, most of the audience thought he was screamingly
> funny and I think the highly intelligent philosophising he was doing
> totally passed over their heads.
I think the problem was that ALL of his playing made him out to be a punk
rock guitarist, because I believe this footage probably came before his Bar
Kokhba/Circle Maker work.
> Also, a fantastic accordian player who also played guitar at one point,
> and I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me who he was.
That's Michael Alpert from David Krakauer's Trio (isn't he on the cd you
mentioned at the end of your mail?) and I believe he is also in the
Klezmatics. The first piece he sang with accordian is on David Krakauer's
"Klezmer Madness!", it is The Ballad Of Chernobyl I think, to which he also
wrote the words.
> Oh yes! Also, a shortish excerpt from a beautiful Cobra session,
> involving Marc Ribot for sure, and various others (can't remember or
> didn't know), quite quiet, with scraping and tinkling percussion by most
> of them and stuff... wonderful.
I was under the impression that that was a portion of Kristallnacht (I
haven't listened too much to it so I can't be sure). I'm probably wrong
though.
> Altogether an excellent movie. Filmed mostly on video I think, with some
> very clever editing in some bits and at other times perhaps excessively
> low-buget in feel, but who cares? Lots of excellent Jewish music,
> wonderful live performances, snippets of rehearsal, and commentary from
> the musicians (not including any direct-to-camera talking by Zorn,
> interestingly) - what more could one seriously ask for?
Well, um, some direct-to-camera talking by Zorn perhaps? A bit more than
that "cut" at the end at least... But a great movie as you said.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:09:50 -0600 (CST)
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Sabbath in Paradise
At 12:05 AM 11/17/98 +1100, Peter Hollo wrote:
>There were a couple of slightly more traditional klezmer musicians, whom
>I didn't quite know... Andy Statman on clarinet and occasional mandolin,
>an excellent musician but not particularly adventurous at all.
Have you heard his quartet album from about a year ago called "Between
Heavan and Earth?" You might be surprised.
Rob
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:36:55 +0100 (CET)
From: Oger <oger@worldnet.fr>
Subject: Potlatch
Information about new Potlatch CD releases :
1. Fred Van HOVE "FLUX" (double CD)
Piano solo recorded live in january 1998.
2. Daunik LAZRO (sax)/ Carlos "ZINGARO" (violin,electronics) duo "HAUTS
PLATEAUX". Recorded live in february 1995.
3. Michel DONEDA soprano sax solo "ANATOMIE DES CLEFS"
Recorded in winter 1998.
More information available at http://www.potlatch.digiweb.fr
Jacques Oger
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:08:37 -0700
From: dennis summers <denniss@ic.net>
Subject: Michael Mantler
Best I can remember, we've never discussed Michael Mantler, who IMHO is
truly one of the greats. He's had a relatively (slow but) steady and high
quality output for over 3 decades. His work is highly literate and achieves
a mood that nobody else touches. The reason why I'm writing this, is that
I've seen at least one (maybe more) release on some obscure european? label,
and am wondering if anyone out there knows of a MM discography. I've
searched the web to no avail. And also if any of you european folks no which
releases I'm talking about and want to trade or something, let me know.
yours in zornocity --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 98 11:37:32 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re: Michael Mantler
Dennis wrote:
>Best I can remember, we've never discussed Michael Mantler, who IMHO is
>truly one of the greats. He's had a relatively (slow but) steady and high
>quality output for over 3 decades. His work is highly literate and achieves
>a mood that nobody else touches. The reason why I'm writing this, is that
>I've seen at least one (maybe more) release on some obscure european?
>label, and am wondering if anyone out there knows of a MM discography. I've
>searched the web to no avail. And also if any of you european folks no
>which releases I'm talking about and want to trade or something, let me
>know.
Hey, I'm pretty sure I've mentioned his 'Communications' at least once
or twice, in comparison to Barry Guy's great 'Theoria'. The Mantler is
one of my extreme all-time favorites, a unique an awe-inspiring work.
It was also the first time I heard Cecil, and nothing has been the
same since. I'm very fond of '13' (paired with Carla Bley's '3/4' on
an early Watt release, one that I'm dying to see issued on disc; the
power and density of '13' overwhelms the vinyl), 'No Answer', a
setting of Beckett text with Jack Bruce, Cherry and Bley and 'The
Hapless Child' (Edward Gorey's text sung by Robert Wyatt.) They're all
very fine records. I've been less taken with subsequent releases that
I've heard ('Live', 'Alien', 'Many Have No Speech'), though all
contain at least a little of interest.
Haven't seen anything of his not on WATT/ECM. Along ex-spousal lines,
wasn't 'Escalator' performed somewhere in Europe last year? Any
recordings of this event ever surface?
Brian Olewnick
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:23:53 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website)
On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:26:03 +0100 Stefan Verstraeten wrote:
>
> Does anyone has a clue what happened with the collectors' corner on the
> tzadik website???
> IMHO, the tzadik website seems nowadays like a T.T.M.A.R. - Website
> (take the money and run).
> No more zorn top 10, the artist info is most of the case outdated...
> What's happening????
I think that they simply have nobody to take care of the site...
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:07:31 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: NYC electroacoustic radio alert
press release follows:
For a full 72 consecutive hours, all day on November 17, 18, and 19,
WKCR-FM 89.9 in NEW YORK CITY, the original FM radio station, will be
presenting an Electronic Music Festival. The festival will run the gamut,
with everything from blocks devoted to particular artists, such as
Karlheinz Stockhausen, Iannis Xenakis, John Cage, Pierre Henry, and David
Tudor; to segments devoted to particular genres, such as Computer Music,
Electronic Classical, Musique Concrete, Electroacoustic, Live Electronics,
Electronics in Rock, Modern Electronica, and Noise. In addition,
especially during the late night/early morning hours, there will be several
freeform segments, during which our DJs will freely mix and mingle these
and all kinds of progressive electronic music. Finally, there will be
several live performances throughout the festival, featuring both NYC
artists and artists from other parts of the country and world whose sounds
will be conveyed to us and our listeners through networking technology.
Jon
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:52:30 EST
From: APoesia794@aol.com
Subject: 100 turntables
does anyone know anything about christian marclay's piece for 100 turntables?
i'm familiar with some of his recorded works (records, more encores, zorn
projects etc...) but would like to know more about this piece. are there any
recordings of it? what and who did it involve etc. thanks
peace
jt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:55:04 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website)
In a message dated 11/16/98 12:27:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
proussel@ichips.intel.com writes:
> On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:26:03 +0100 Stefan Verstraeten wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone has a clue what happened with the collectors' corner on the
> > tzadik website???
> > IMHO, the tzadik website seems nowadays like a T.T.M.A.R. - Website
> > (take the money and run).
> > No more zorn top 10, the artist info is most of the case outdated...
> > What's happening????
>
> I think that they simply have nobody to take care of the site...
>
I was under the impression that the sitemaster just got tired of trying to
keep up with Zorn. I certainly wouldn't want to try...
=dgasque=
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:55:01 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Michael Mantler
In a message dated 11/16/98 11:12:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, denniss@ic.net
writes:
> Best I can remember, we've never discussed Michael Mantler, who IMHO is
> truly one of the greats. He's had a relatively (slow but) steady and high
> quality output for over 3 decades. His work is highly literate and achieves
> a mood that nobody else touches. The reason why I'm writing this, is that
> I've seen at least one (maybe more) release on some obscure european?
label,
> and am wondering if anyone out there knows of a MM discography. I've
> searched the web to no avail. And also if any of you european folks no
which
> releases I'm talking about and want to trade or something, let me know.
Sure wish he would go ahead and reissue _The Hapless Child_- his best LP, IMO.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:12:28 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Sabbath in Paradise
Julian wrote:
> > Also, a fantastic accordian player who also played guitar at one point,
> > and I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me who he was.
>
> That's Michael Alpert from David Krakauer's Trio
Isn't our own Ted Reichman the accordionist in the Krakauer Trio? He certainly
has been for the last several years, and I know he also plays guitar (with
Ezther Balint, among others). Shortish black haired lad with specs. Ted? Ya
there?
Course I haven't seen the film in question, but, as the Elephant Man said, "Oh,
I shall, I shall."
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:20:07 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Sabbath in Paradise
> > > Also, a fantastic accordian player who also played guitar at one
point,
> > > and I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me who he was.
> >
> > That's Michael Alpert from David Krakauer's Trio
>
> Isn't our own Ted Reichman the accordionist in the Krakauer Trio? He
certainly
> has been for the last several years, and I know he also plays guitar
(with
> Ezther Balint, among others). Shortish black haired lad with specs.
Ted? Ya
> there?
The guy in the film is definitely Michael Alpert, and the guy on "Klezmer
Madness!" is also Michael Alpert. Peter told me that there is a different
accordianist on the new Krakauer cd, so I don't know who is the official
accordianist, maybe used to be Alpert, and now Reichman?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:43:10 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Michael Alpert
Just to clear everything about Michael Alpert, the band he would call home
is Brave Old World, they've got two cds out, and he must have just been a
guest on Krakauer's first Klezmer Madness cd.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:39:57 +0100
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Sabbath in Paradise
>> Marc Ribot talks in his slightly drug-fucked way about a lot of things.
>> Because of his manner, most of the audience thought he was screamingly
>> funny and I think the highly intelligent philosophising he was doing
>> totally passed over their heads.
>
> I think the problem was that ALL of his playing made him out to be a punk
> rock guitarist, because I believe this footage probably came before his Bar
> Kokhba/Circle Maker work.
In an interview on the Belgian Radio yesterday, Ribot talked about
his Jewishness. For him it is nothing more than playing in these
Klezmer-scales and he is not at all so radical Jewish as Zorn.
He acknowledges the political significance of the movement when
it all started (as a reaction against the many right-wing groups
in the music-bizz), but now it's a bit to political and nationalist
for him. He prefers the pure music.
He also talked about Klezmer and Cuban music having the same
roots in Middle-Eastern Music.
>> Oh yes! Also, a shortish excerpt from a beautiful Cobra session,
>> involving Marc Ribot for sure, and various others (can't remember or
>> didn't know), quite quiet, with scraping and tinkling percussion by most
>> of them and stuff... wonderful.
>
> I was under the impression that that was a portion of Kristallnacht (I
> haven't listened too much to it so I can't be sure). I'm probably wrong
> though.
Maybe you're talking about the piece "the Sand's Share" that was
rehearsed in the movie. It looks like a gamepiece (at least Zorn
is taking notes and showing cards), but most sounds are from his
Bar Kokhba-vocabulary. Quiet and ambient indeed, very nice!
To my knowledge this composition was not released up to know, but
it was listed by Zorn on Aporias (or was it Angelus Novus).
YVes
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:52:06 +0100
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <f.martinelli@comune.pisa.it>
Subject: Introduction and NYC visit
Dear friends,
I just subscribed to the list and I'd like to introduce myself. I live in
Pisa, Italy and been interested in improvised music since the mid seventies,
promoting festivals and developing other activities. You may have seen my
liner notes on releases by Anthony Braxton, Evan Parker and several italian
musicians; recently I developed an activity with the Italian Instabile
Orchestra, promoting a Festival in Dec. 97, contributing to a book, and now
organizing another 8 concerts that will climax in another three days in Dec.
98 celebrating the publication of a double Cd on Leo recorded I also
published a Discography of Evan Parker and one of Mario Schiano, but I do
not want to bore everyone with a CV. I'm not strictly a Zornhead, while
appreciating many of the things the man does, including is style in the
promotion/production field. However Brian (thanks) suggested that I join the
list as many of the other subjects that I'm interested to were discussed
before and the list was quite open minded (as confirmed by the very first
messages I saw).
I'll be visiting NY from Nov 24 to Dec. 2. I'll be reviewing gigs for Musica
Jazz magazine so I'll be glad to receive any suggestions.
I'll be also very happy to meet people on the list at the gigs, and to share
any information or knowledge I may have on the italian/european scene; I
have lectured about this subject before and also gave a course to NYU Summer
Courses in Pisa for the past three years. If anyone is interested in
organizing a lecture, public discussion, meeting, whatever, I'd be happy to
participate.
You can contact me at both my email addresses, home and workplace.
fmartinelli@tin.it
F.Martinelli@comune.pisa.it
looking forward to hear from you....
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:22:03 +0200
From: "J.T. de Boer" <J.T.de.Boer@let.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website)
Hi Stefan and other members,
I have a question about the Tzadik collecter-cd's. I have the
Duras-Duchamp album, and on the inner side of the back sleeve there's
a print of Duchamp's Etant Donn=E9. It took a while before I
mentioned this, but *could* this be one of the collecter's items?
Best wishes,
Jeroen
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone has a clue what happened with the collectors' corner on the
> tzadik website???
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:59:48 +0200
From: "J.T. de Boer" <J.T.de.Boer@let.rug.nl>
Subject: Shea
Hi all,
thsi weekend David Shea did two shows in the city of Groningen. I
invited him to come over here (I'm the music director of the
Universities Theatre). The first night, november 14, he did the
soundtrack of the incredible video-art documentary Dial
H-I-S-T-O-R-Y. Shea played in front of the screen, and it was great
to see how he blended into the film. Not because he was a perfect
character for the movie, but because of the beautiful coherence
between image and sound. Shea is one of the few sample-composer's by
whom you don't have the urge to trie and recognize the material he is
using. You're (well, at least I am) always captivated by the final
compostion. If you haven't seen this film, go and see it if you can.
It's shown a lot, so there's definately a chance to check out an
appearance.
The second night, november 15, Shea did four pieces. The first one
was Trio for Solo Sampler. An eclectic piece, recorded for his first
solo-album. Very funny (imagine a combination of pounding housebeat
and banjo-playing)! The second piece was Satyricon. Again Shea was
playing in front of the screen. The video was made by Lisa Dilillo,
and also a must if you like like video/media-art.
After the break Shea did Alphaville, a black and white movie. I
didn't know it, and I think it was the weakest thing he did during
the weekend, especially compared to his last piece: a dedication to
the filmmusic of Tex Avery cartoons. He's working on a combination of
the original cartoons and his music, but there seem to be quite some
copyright-problems.
He's coming over here again in june, together with Lisa Dilillo, to
do new things during the new media and electronic music festival I'm
organising. I'm looking forward to it!
Jeroen
PS. He's released a new album on Tzadik called "Classical Works". One
piece he did with the incredible belgian Ictus Ensemble, another with
Friedlander and Pugliese. I'll send a review later this week.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:10:26 -0500
From: philz <zampino@squidco.com>
Subject: Re: Michael Mantler
>Best I can remember, we've never discussed Michael Mantler, who IMHO is
>truly one of the greats. He's had a relatively (slow but) steady and high
>quality output for over 3 decades. His work is highly literate and achieves
>a mood that nobody else touches. The reason why I'm writing this, is that
>I've seen at least one (maybe more) release on some obscure european? label=
,
>and am wondering if anyone out there knows of a MM discography. I've
>searched the web to no avail. And also if any of you european folks no whic=
h
>releases I'm talking about and want to trade or something, let me know.
>
>yours in zornocity --ds
>***Quantum Dance Works***
>****http://ic.net/~denniss****
>
Here's a discography I picked up in '94 from Julian Christou on the prog=20
rock list... it's a it out of date, and I believe more of the Watt stuff=20
has been reissued on CD on the ECM label, but I have no idea how much. I=20
know I'd like it all, though :)
philz
Path:=20
panix!cmcl2!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.=
com!=20
news.cs.indiana.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!olympus!christou
=46rom: christou@olympus.as.arizona.edu (Julian Christou)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Michael Mantler ?
Date: 7 Sep 1994 16:32:59 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ
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Message-ID: <34kpvr$eo6@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU>
References: <34jg4f$qo8@worak.kaist.ac.kr>
NNTP-Posting-Host: olympus.as.arizona.edu
In article <34jg4f$qo8@worak.kaist.ac.kr> icshin@chiak.kaist.ac.kr (Incheol=
=20
Shin) writes:
>
>Hi, Folks
>
>I recently got my copy of Michael Mantler's live album.
>To my surprise, it features Nick Mason, Jack Bruce(of Cream fame),
>and Robert Wyatt !!
>The music is kinda Jazz Rock and very interesting.
>
>But I have completely no idea about Michael Mantler.
>Who is he anyway ?
>Any info about Michael Mantler will be greatly appreciated.
>
I'm interested in the "live" album you have. Mine does not have RW on it.
As for who is MM. A long time collaborator of Carla Bley - has played with
various European Jazz/Rock musicians over the years. His music can be straig=
ht
jazz but more often than not setting poems and prose by contemporary authors
to music, e.g. Edward Gorey - The Hapless Child, Samual Beckett - No Answer.
Also you may wish to check out some of Carla Bley's works but especially
Nick Mason's Fictitious Sports with music & songs by Bley and lyrics sung
by Wyatt. Appended below in my discography for Mantler from my own
collection giving label and release dates as well as musicians and track
listing.
Is your "Live" the same as mine?
- --------------------
The Hapless Child And Other Inscrutable Stories WATT WATT/4 1976 LP
Robert Wyatt; carla Bley; Steve Swallow; Jack DeJohnette;
Terje Rydpal; Alfreda Benj;
The Sinking Spell; The Object-Lesson; The Insect God;
The doubtful Guest; The Remembered Visit; The Hapless Child;
No Answer WATT WATT/2 1973 LP
Jack Bruce; Michael mantler; Carla Bley; Don Cherry;
Number Six (parts 1 - 4); Number Twelve (parts 1 - 4);
Silence WATT WATT/5 1977 LP
Michael Mantler; Carla Bley; Robert Wyatt; Kevin Coyne;
Chris Spedding; Ron McClure;
I Walk With My Girl; I Watch The Clouds; It Is Curiously Hot;
When I Run; Sometimes I See People; Around Me Sits The Night;
She Was Looking Down; For Instance; A Long Way; After My Work Each D=
ay;
On Good Evenings;
More Movies WATT WATT/10 1980 LP
Micheal Mantler; Philip Catherine; Gary Windo; Carla Bley;
Steve Swallow; D Sharpe;
Movie Nine; The Sinking Spell; Movie Eleven; Will We Meet
Tonight?; Movie Thirteen; The Doubtful Guest; Movie Fifteen;
Movie Fourteen; The Doubtful Guest; Movie Fifteen; Movie Fourteen;
The Doubtful Guest; Movie Fifteen; Movie Fourteen; Movie Ten;
Movie Twelve;
Something There WATT WATT/13 1983 LP
Michael Mantler; Carla Bley; Mike Stern; Steve Swallow;
Nick Mason; Michael Gibbs;
Twenty; Twenty One; Nineteen; Seventeen; Eighteen; Something There;
Alien WATT WATT/15 1985 LP
Michael Mantler; Don Preston;
Alien Parts 1-4
Live WATT WATT/18 1987 LP
Mike Mantler; Jack Bruce; Mick Mason; John Greaves;
Don Preston; Rick Fenn;
Preview/No Answer; Slow Orchestra Piece #3 (Pisonniers); For
Instance; Slow Orchestra Piece #8 (A L'Abattoir); When I Run;
The Remembered Visit; Slow Orchestra Piece #6; The Hapless
Child; The Doubtful Guest;
Many Have No Speech WATT WATT/19 1988 CD
Michael Mantler; Rick Fenn; Jack Bruce; Marianne Faithfull;
Robert Wyatt;
Introduction; Just As Someone; Ce Qu'a De Pis; Alles Scheint
Rand; Imagine; In The End; Vieil Aller; Rien Nul; Tant De Temps;
En Face; Chaque Jour; PSS; En Cadence; Something There; Comrade;
Den Atem Ausgettauscht; A L'Abattoir; And What; D'ou La Voix;
Fous Qui Disiez; Merk, Jetzt; Son Ombre; Reve; Life Connects;
Silence; Viele Haben Keine Sprache;
- -
------------------------------
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