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Zorn List Digest       Monday, November 16 1998       Volume 02 : Number 527



In this issue:
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       Re: lots of little things from the last couple of weeks while I've been out of town
       Re: lots of little things from the last couple of weeks while I've been out of town
       Re: Jake's criticism
       Re: Napalm Death
       Zorn on UK Radio 3!
       George Lewis
       Re: George Lewis
       Crispell discog info / No List content, just MUSIC
       Tom Waits/John Zorn
       laura nyro question
       Is Masada coming to Mexico city?
       sad news
       Zorn on the radio (UK)
       Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website)
       Sabbath in Paradise

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:58:16 -0800
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: lots of little things from the last couple of weeks while I've been out of town

Anthony Coleman's nationality is New Yorker.

Kaiser/Oswald Moose & Salmon on Music Gallery Editions makes up the 1978
part of the recently released CD the duo has on Incus.

Jalal Toufic's books are interesting if you like post-modern
auto-biographic/critical works they are sort of about films.  I think there
was some discussion of them on the list in the past.  If you've already
read them, you may be interested in Steve Shaviro's Doom Patrols available
in print & online <http://www.dhalgren.com/>.

Maybe cause I live in the same neighborhood I'm too close to see it, but I
don't understand the fascination with Dale Chihuly.  To me most of the work
never gets past the pretty surfaces.  But maybe that's just me.

David Weinstein's Perfume is a solo CD by long time (now former)
collaborator with Shelley Hirsch, responsible for lots of the accompanying
music for many of her recorded projects.  The disc is largely sample-based,
though the source of the samples is rarely, if ever, the point.
(Originally Weinstein's Avant project was going to be a sort of sound
effects archive to be used in part for performances by Impossible Music,
his collaborative band of musicians playing only CD players.) Some of the
pieces on Perfume are related to Impossible Music's work, some of the
pieces use unusual microtonal, sometimes just-intonation related tunings,
long an interest of Weinstein's.  I think it's a very good disc in a sort
of contemplative vein.  Not for zornlist folks who are only into the
rocking and/or noise fest aspects of the scene.

Kurt Weill composed both "classical" and "popular" music in the 1930s-1950s
or so, frequent collaborator with Bertolt Brecht.  Many of the more pop
oriented pieces (Mack the Knife, December Song, etc) come from music
theater pieces that were in the musical comedy tradition, though the comedy
was darker than say Bye Bye Birdie.  The Columbia Sony recordings of songs
by Lotte Lenya are good, as are the Teresa Stratas disc that were on
Nonesuch. There's a recent Marianne Faithfull I haven't heard. & (Zorn
content ahead) Hal Willner did a compilation, Lost in the Stars, that had
some good things on it. Of the more classical stuff, there's a much
recorded suite from 3 Penny Opera that I'll try to find my copy of to
recommend - most of the other classical pieces are not in print.

Bests,

Herb


Herb Levy
[e-mail]



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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:15:53 +0100
From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: lots of little things from the last couple of weeks while I've been out of town

>Kurt Weill composed both "classical" and "popular" music in the 1930s-1950s
>or so, frequent collaborator with Bertolt Brecht.
> ...
>Hal Willner did a compilation, Lost in the Stars, that had
>some good things on it. Of the more classical stuff, there's a much
>recorded suite from 3 Penny Opera that I'll try to find my copy of to
>recommend - most of the other classical pieces are not in print.

 Hall Willner did a second compilation of Kurt Weill Music in 1997:
 September songs : The Music of Kurt Weill (I think it was essentially
 the soundtrack for a film by Larry Weinstein).
 Wonderful performances by Elvis Costello, Lou Reed, Polly Harvey,
 Terese Stratas, Nick Cave and Charlie Haden playing on top of
 an old recording of Mr.Weill himself.
 As a bonus there's William Burroughs reading "What Keeps Mankind
 alive?",while Anthony Coleman provides some backing.

 The Ute Lemper discs of Weill Recordings are also very good.
 (she also made marvellous recordings of other German Cabaret composers
 of that era (Hollaender, Spoliansky, Schultze, Eisler,...))

 And to end: there are some pretty good Weill recordings by
 Dagmar Krause (and she made also an Eisler album with arrangements
 by Greg Cohen) and there's the Young Gods play Kurt Weill songs
 (yes, this is the one with the Zorn sample).


 YVes



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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:24:20 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jake's criticism

I think Jake has a point about Masada, though for my own part, I like
the players so much (particularly Dave and Joey) that I've been quite
happy to go along with no illusions about what I'm getting.  But it
reminded me of a brief exchange on this list where someone puzzled me
by saying there was more variation on the Masada albums than there
was in Hank Mobley's output (I considered that false, tho' perhaps
only just, and I was probably leaning heavily on Mobley's GREAT Octet
album, A Slice Of The Top).  The toruble is, the newest thing on the
last Masada album was that long slow track that bored the pants off
me!  But I have a lot of John Coltrane Quartet, and I've never
thought "is this going to be much different to the others?", prior to
buying another.  (BTW, has anyone heard the complete Impulse thing?
What're the Disc 8 alternate takes like?  Isd the Archie Shepp Love
Supreme on it?)

Sean Wilkie


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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:00:17 +0200
From: "J.T. de Boer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Napalm Death

The best deathmetal album ever made is Death's "Human". Chuldiner
gathered Cynic's Paul Masdival (guitar) and Sean Reinert (best metal
drummer ever!!!!!!) and Sadus' Steve Digorgio (bass) around him and
produced 35 minutes of the most mindblowing metal you've ever heard.
This band combines pure agression with superb playing. Get this album
if you're in for musical madness!

Pestilence is nice (by the way, they're dutch!), but compared to
Death over even Entombed not very special.

> Haven't heard the latest album - any word on that? I do know that "Spiritual
> Healing" is one of the finest moments of death metal (rivalled only by
> Entombed's "Clandestine", and Pestilence's "Consuming Impulse"). Damnit, the
> genre was named after the band!


Jeroen

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:03:03 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn on UK Radio 3!

Zorn's Barbican Concert will be broadcast on BBC Radio 3 next Friday
(20th November) at 10.00 - 11.30 pm.  Any out-of-UK listies who'd
like a copy, make us a trading offer!  (There'll be at least one
direct from the radio copy available).

Sean and Hywel.

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:36:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <[e-mail]>
Subject: George Lewis

Yes, a thousand times yes to HTCP. One of the greatest, and most often
played discs, in my collection. I'm a big Lewis fan, as it happens, though
some of his stuff leaves me a bit cold.

Brian, you're right that he hasn't returned to the lyrical stuff on HTCP
as much in recent years (at least not on his own recordings), but I assume
you've heard "Jila/Save Mon!" from the same period? A few lovely duets
with Douglas Ewart that, while not as great in impact as HTCP, are well
worth hearing (and quite lovely).

Parenthetically, it seems that while Lewis' output might have changed on
one level, it's been remarkably consistent in its concerns. That is, I see
most of his music as concerned with the nature of space in music:
physical, musical, social, etc. He did a great job of exploring a musical
environment -- both socio-historical and electro-acoustic -- on HTCP, and
I can see the parallels on a work like Voyager or even Changing with the
Times (a record I largely can't stand).

Anyway, three cheers for Mr. Lewis.

Jason Bivins


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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 98 11:06:03 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: George Lewis

Jason wrote:

>Brian, you're right that he hasn't returned to the lyrical stuff on HTCP
>as much in recent years (at least not on his own recordings), but I
>assume you've heard "Jila/Save Mon!" from the same period? A few lovely
>duets with Douglas Ewart that, while not as great in impact as HTCP, are
>well worth hearing (and quite lovely).

     Yep, that and 'Chicago Slow Dance' from around the same time (on
     Lovely Music) are fine works, worth seeking out. Ewart's still active
     in Chicago, isn't he? Any recent releases?

>Parenthetically, it seems that while Lewis' output might have changed on
>one level, it's been remarkably consistent in its concerns. That is, I
>see most of his music as concerned with the nature of space in music:
>physical, musical, social, etc. He did a great job of exploring a musical
>environment -- both socio-historical and electro-acoustic -- on HTCP, and
>I can see the parallels on a work like Voyager or even Changing with the
>Times (a record I largely can't stand).

     You're entirely right; I'd love to hear him just blow more often,
     though, even along the lines of News for Lulu. I was fortunate enough
     to catch him with Braxton several times in the late 70's and he was
     always stellar, often eliciting astonished doubletakes from AB and the
     rest of the band. In fact, one of my most cherished concert memories
     was a Braxton quintet date, one which I'd be curious to discover
     whether or not it was a one-shot affair. It was summer '76, I believe,
     at Stanley Crouch's wonderful Tin Palace on the Bowery in NYC. The
     line-up was Braxton, Lewis, Muhal, Fred Hopkins and Steve McCall. What
     an amazing band--and Lewis stole the show. While I'm fairly sure this
     group never recorded as such, does anyone know if they played
     elsewhere or toured? Don't suppose any tapes exist, hmmmm?

     Brian Olewnick



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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:58:51 -0300
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Crispell discog info / No List content, just MUSIC

Hello all-

Excuse the cross-post, but I need you experts from time to time:

In 1992 the Marilyn Crispell Trio w/ Workman and Hemingway played at the
following. Need details or contacts if anyone can help.

Real Art Works, Hartford, CT
Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT (tracks 4,6,7)<BR>
Walker Arts Center, Minneapolis, MN
- ---Date of concerts for the above? -or a phone# or e-mail?

Denver, CO
- ---Venue & Date of concert? -or a phone# or e-mail?

Thanks,
RL
- --
Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp, David S.
Ware, and Reggie Workman discographies--Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball
& the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc.,  at:
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k

***Very Various Music For Sale:
***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:08:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Tom Waits/John Zorn

As far as a Zorn/Waits collaboration I think as close as they will ever get
would be the fact that they both have tracks on the Kurt Weill tribute "Lost
in the stars". I was surprised not to see Zorn on the experimental musical
instrument cd/book "orbitones, spoonharps, and bellowphones" and it's
companion. Tom Waits track is great! Also to mention I just picked up Hasidic
New Wave Psycho Semitic, what a great album! I would say if some one wanted to
get familiar with the later Waits try "Big Time" it is excellent! Live
versions of his later material. The new Waits is just getting better first
Bone Machine and then the Black Rider. Wow! If anyone has a copy of  Waits
"Alice in wonderland" music that was for the next Robert Wilson production
please contact me [e-mail].

Andrew

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:56:23 +0100 (MET)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: laura nyro question

yes i know thats off topic again, hmm maybe not that much since she lived
in new york and is at least half jewish.
question: are there any written publications on her , that have a lot more
to say than the usual stuff one can find in every rock-music encyclopedia?

by the way: wouldnt she be a nice musician for one of the next great
jewish music volumes..??

BJOERN


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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:11:22 -0600
From: sergio luque <[e-mail]>
Subject: Is Masada coming to Mexico city?

     There are rumors around here about a Masada concert on december. Any
info?

thanks
sergio luque


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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:58:34 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: sad news

came across this recently and thought
it might be of interest to some.
i really enjoyed the Yoshizawa/Barre Phillips
disc on PSF, and was hoping he might
come out to the states at some point
in the future.

hasta.

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
According to a posting on the MICC list, free jazz giant Motoharu
Yoshizawa passed away a month and a half ago (9/13/98).  His activities
seem to have taken a backseat to those of his peers in the late 60s
Japanese underground (notably Masayuki Takayanagi and Kaoru Abe), but from
the available recorded testimony (thankfully magnified due to the fine
efforts of PSF), his was a similarly massive talent.  In particular, the
duets with Mototeru Takagi from 10/69 are a fantastic introduction to
early Yoshizawa and to the particular Japanese take on American free jazz
(the disc are mostly long explorations of standards like Ornette's "Lonely
Woman").

In the realm of the legends who continue to walk the earth, Bert Jansch is
playing a show on 11/7/98 at the Threadwaxing Space in New York (w/
Bridget St. John, don't know if they're performing together).  Not having
kept up with his output very recently, does anybody know what he's been up
to / what to expect?



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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:45:18 +0000
From: Phil <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn on the radio (UK)

Just to let those of you who can pick up BBC Radio 3 from the UK know - on
Friday 20th Radio 3 are broadcasting highlights from the recent Zorn
chamber music gig in London. I think it's in the "Here & Now" slot in the
evening. Get those C-90's ready!

Phil Clarkson
[e-mail]



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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:26:03 +0100
From: Stefan Verstraeten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website)

Hi,

Does anyone has a clue what happened with the collectors' corner on the
tzadik website???
IMHO, the tzadik website seems nowadays like a T.T.M.A.R. - Website
(take the money and run).
No more zorn top 10, the artist info is most of the case outdated...
What's happening????

Best wishes,
Stefan Verstraeten

NP Thurston Moore & Nels Cline

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:05:56 +1100
From: Peter Hollo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sabbath in Paradise

Warning, LONG film review...
Just went to see the film Sabbath in Paradise at the Sydney Jewish Film
Festival. The film is about klezmer in modern settings and so on, and
concentrated on the downtown New York scene, so lots of Zorn and Tzadik
people!

The place was filled with ignorant Jewish people most of whom thought
they'd see unchallenging Jewish wedding music and straight klezmer I
think, and were a bit taken-aback by what they got ;)
The film is structured around a tale about a Rebbe who is on his way
somewhere and is taken in by some strangers who turn out to be Moses,
King David, King Solomon etc... and he hears wonderful music and so on.

There are interviews (or spoken bits) with various relevant people:
Anthony Coleman talks a lot, and there are some fascinating bits where
he describes how his Selfhaters music comes out of more familiar Jewish
contexts. Can't really describe it in words, but it was both amusing and
informative...
Marc Ribot talks in his slightly drug-fucked way about a lot of things.
Because of his manner, most of the audience thought he was screamingly
funny and I think the highly intelligent philosophising he was doing
totally passed over their heads. Of the musicians related to "Radical
Jewish Culture" Ribot has always seemed to me to have the most un-Jewish
style of all, much closer to blues, country, thrash, whatever... and so
hearing him talk about what it means to be making Jewish music was
fantastic. His interviews at
http://www.shamash.org/shmooze/jsps/index.html which we were drawn
attention to before were along the same lines...
David Krakauer said some interesting things, and demonstrated how his
more ornate and style of playing comes out of traditional klezmer, and
Frank London talked along similar lines.

There were a couple of slightly more traditional klezmer musicians, whom
I didn't quite know... Andy Statman on clarinet and occasional mandolin,
an excellent musician but not particularly adventurous at all. He asked
whether a Jewish tradition could exist separate from the Torah for very
long, and suggested it couldn't historically. I disagree, but then I'm
an atheist Jew ;) There were other dissenting voices.
In fact, I'm interested whether Zorn and suchlike associates *are*
practising Jews, reform or not, at all... From the film, I suspect
Anthony Coleman at least isn't.
Also, a fantastic accordian player who also played guitar at one point,
and I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me who he was.

Musically, there was quite a lot too. We saw Zorn rehearsing the Masada
Quartet at the Knitting Factory and got to see just how much control he
has over what goes on, directing Joey Baron as to what cymbals to hit
when during certain passages and stuff... And we saw 2 or 3 pieces
performed live at the Knitting Factory too. Large slabs of Selfhaters
stuff, and one piece of Coleman's Sephardic Tinge trio... Various things
by Krakauer, and various other things by Statman and whomever. The
"soundtrack", intersperced occasionally, was snippets of stuff from the
Masada String Trio disc of Circle Maker. Again it was interesting how
the improvisations were slowly introduced, so that I imagine each of the
pieces was constructed quite controlledly by Zorn with the group.

Oh yes! Also, a shortish excerpt from a beautiful Cobra session,
involving Marc Ribot for sure, and various others (can't remember or
didn't know), quite quiet, with scraping and tinkling percussion by most
of them and stuff... wonderful.

Altogether an excellent movie. Filmed mostly on video I think, with some
very clever editing in some bits and at other times perhaps excessively
low-buget in feel, but who cares? Lots of excellent Jewish music,
wonderful live performances, snippets of rehearsal, and commentary from
the musicians (not including any direct-to-camera talking by Zorn,
interestingly) - what more could one seriously ask for?
It's on again on Saturday the 28th in Sydney... well worth seeing ;)

Peter.
np: Klezmer, NY - David Krakauer & Klezmer Madness! A wonderful CD, from
the funky alt(dot)klezmer at the start and the lovely setting of Der
Gasn Nigun at the end, to the stuff in between. Pity it's so short!
The new Naftule's Dream CD is also excellent.
- --
Peter Hollo  [e-mail]  http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html
           FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet
                http://www.fourplay.com.au
"Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and
your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag.

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