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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #523
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, November 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 523
In this issue:
-
Re: Great Jewish Music: Tom Waits
waits ... motain on w&w
Re: Great Jewish Music: Tom Waits
David Weinstein's 'Perfume'
tom Waits recommendation
Re: waits ... motain on w&w
Re: Chihuly over Venice
November 8, 1998 San Francisco Masada show
Re: Chihuly over Venice
RE: November 8, 1998 San Francisco Masada show
Re: November 8, 1998 San Francisco Masada show
waits/weill
Fwd: trade
Fwd: trade
Fw: Superkapele
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 05:44:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Martens <ericmartens@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Great Jewish Music: Tom Waits
- ---Christian Heslop <xian@mbay.net> wrote:
>
> > All I have by Waits is the "Nighthawks at the >diner" live CD. I
find it quite good. Really good and funny stories, but I wonder. How
is his other stuff compared to this live recording. Any "out-there"
recordings?
> >
> > Felix
>
> It's very hard to recommend a particular album. Every one is worth
buying and they vary considerably in style. It's hard to predict what
about a musician will make them accessible to new listeners. Try "Rain
Dogs" and if you like Kurt Weill then try "The Black Rider". "Small
Change" has a few absolutely unforgettable tracks on it (Tom
Traubert's Blues and Invitation To The Blues among them).
>
Another good place to start, IMHO, wd. be the recently released
"Beautiful Maladies" best of comp -- admittedly I'm still pretty new
to Waits, but that's basically where I started
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:51:41 -0500
From: Bob Kowalski <BKowalski@genetics.com>
Subject: waits ... motain on w&w
"All I have by Waits is the "Nighthawks at the diner" live CD. I find it quite
good. Really good and funny stories, but I wonder. How is his other stuff
compared to this live recording. Any "out-there" recordings? "
Felix - go now to your local shop, run to the W's, find Wait's section and
pick up one copy each of his albums. While the Rain Dogs /
Swordfishtrombones/Franks Wild Years trilogy, w/ Ribot, Cohen ...et al
along for ride, is right on top of the heap, The Black Rider is my personal
fave of the "post trilogy" releases and Heart Attack & Vine a fave of the
earlier discs...and don't forget to stop by soundtrack section and pick up
Night on Earth and, what the heck, One from the Heart as well (maybe
the later once you are enjoying all the others and need another fix!)
- ---------
on another note, my own question for zornsters everywhere - there are
two Paul Motain releases one Winter & Winter and I'm wondering how
folks like them / compare them to previous outings...
happy listening
Bob
- -
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:13:24 -0500
From: cbarrett@neaq.org (Chris Barrett)
Subject: Re: Great Jewish Music: Tom Waits
>All I have by Waits is the "Nighthawks at the diner" live CD. I find it
>quite good. Really good and funny stories, but I wonder. How is his other
>stuff compared to this live recording. Any "out-there" recordings?
>
>Felix
>jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt
Many people find his watershed album to be "Swordfishtrombones". This is
the first one where he really gets into the idea of the junk orchestra.
His songs, especially his lyrics, I find pretty brilliant. But then,
starting with this record, he puts these crazy arrangements in, where
random metal is clanked, weird slinky doublebass lines show up, odd
discordant guitar appear, and sleazy horn parts randomly punctuate areas.
Sometimes a single military snare is the only percussion present, other
times it's just junk. All sorts of harmoniums and wierd pump organs and
old, often half broken, instruments show up. The textures are fantastic.
Keep in mind that this album came out in 1983, so it was a bit different
than what was the recording rage of the eighties (drums with no DMX sounds,
or wierd, eletronic sound reverbs and gates? No way!)
Ralph Carney, Marc Ribot and Greg Cohen were staples of Tom's band in this
period (the albums "Swordfishtrombones", "Rain Dogs", "Frank's Wild Years",
and the live album documenting the concert video mentioned "Big Time").
Many people consider to be a masterpiece.
Incidentaly, Greg Cohen was the music director for the band on the Big Time
tour.
I don't have 1993's "The Black Rider" (though I hear good things about it),
but 1992's "Bone Machine" is an amazing album as well.
Supposedly, he has just signed a one record deal with the indie punk label
Epitaph and is due for his first new release since 1993 next year.
I also have "Small Change" and "Blue Valentines", both of which I think are
excellent records, but the songwriting and arrangements are much more
straight forward. (In addition to the tunes mentioned on the list from
"Small Change", "Step Right up" has some very clever wordplay and "The
Piano Has Been Drinking (Not Me)" is a fantastic barfly/tin pan alley tune
that Tom is the modern master of.)
- -Chris
- -
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 98 16:24:32 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: David Weinstein's 'Perfume'
Any comments on this release?
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:20:38 -0800
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: tom Waits recommendation
"Rain Dogs" was a break-thru album, IMHO. And is an apex of his
inspiration. He was working in that direction with his previous,
"Swordfish Trombones,'' moving away from equal temperment (used Harry
Partch's marimba), moving away from the obvious sources -- and
Swordfish has some great songs on it as well. But with Rain Dogs, it
all came together. Then came Bone Machine, which was further refining
some of the same concepts.
I'm not near my collection, but I think his career can be broken down
into five stylistic stages. 1: Folkie ("Closing Time," which included
Ole '55, made a hit by the Eagles). 2. Beatnik jazz ("Nighthawks,"
"Small Change," "Foreign Affairs"). 3. Gritty R&B ("Blue Valentine,"
"Heart Attack &Vine"). 4. The more experimental period mentioned above.
5. whatever it is he's doing now. It's been 5 years since he released
"Black Rider" (based on a musical influenced sytlistically by Kurt
Wiell). With no recordings and virtually no performances, we can only
guess. A new album coming soon, reportedly.
Among my top recommendations would be Rain Dogs, Small Change, Blue
Valentine, Nighthawks .... "Closing Time" is the only one I don't get
too much out of.
- -
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:39:41 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: waits ... motain on w&w
The Trio recording "The Sound Of Love" is taken from the same Villiage
Vanguard recordings that produced "You Took The Words Right Out Of My
Heart" (I'm pretty sure). In any case it's great. If you like the trio,
you'll like this one also. As for the Electric Bebop band one.... I dunno.
Dan Hewins
>on another note, my own question for zornsters everywhere - there are
>two Paul Motain releases one Winter & Winter and I'm wondering how
>folks like them / compare them to previous outings...
>
>happy listening
>Bob
>
>-
- -
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:45:03 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: Chihuly over Venice
More off topic:
I saw an exhibition of his here in St. Louis and it was great. Definitely
check it out if you can.
Dan Hewins
At 8:29 AM -0500 6/7/19, hijk wrote:
>Did anyone in the NYC area happen to catch "Chihuly over Venice" on PBS last
>night? I was not familiar with him or his work and sorta stumbled onto the
>show. For those of you who don't know him, he's a glass blower from Tacoma.
>He made a series of Chandeliers from hundreds of pieces of blown glass and
>hung them over the canals of Venice, among other worldly places. Anyway,
>all the music was composed by Wayne Horvitz and there was at least one
>Masada string trio piece. If it pops up again (as I'm sure it will) I
>strongly recommend it.
>
>He has a website: www.chihuly.com
>
>Jeff Kent
>hijk@gateway.net
>
>
>
>-
- -
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:48:15 -0800
From: Allen Gittelson <Allen.Gittelson@efi.com>
Subject: November 8, 1998 San Francisco Masada show
Greetings,
I can't believe the list is not (yet) flooded with praise of Sunday night's
performance of Masada and also John Schott's group's performance.
I don't have the time or energy at the moment to pour into an epic review,
but let me just say that this was one of the finest performances of live
music that I've had the honor of being present to absorb. Venue (a Jewish
synagogue), sound, performance, audience, and nearly everything else were
quite ideal from my perspective. I do not keep track of the charts that
exist or that were played, but they were outstanding.
I think it took a few (2 or 3) pieces for the person(s) running sound to
figure out how to deal with the bass (and one slight sound problem with what
sounded like bass adjustment in the first or second piece). After that, it
sounded great.
A touching performance. I brought a friend who had never heard this music
previously and he told me after the 2nd (or was it third) piece that he
nearly cried (because of the deeply touching sounds heard in the music). Me
too, wow. My friend even asked me how he could send a message that could
reach Zorn just as a thank you for performing such great sounds. I knew
some folks on the list are surely capable of this but thinking we wouldn't
want to trouble anyone, suggested that he forward an email expressing his
gratitude to Tzadik.
Joey Baron was particularly amazing (as he always is in my opinion).
Douglas and Zorn playing together and separately were outstanding with the
beautiful and deeply touching phrasing and textures that they created. Greg
Cohen was also no small wonder on bass and provided wonderful sounds too.
What can I say. No single performer of the group stole the show, they all
contributed quite well to the sound of Masada and the sounds of a night that
I will treasure. The mixture of jazz and Jewish music was fantastic. It
was as if these musics had always been combined. Neither part of the music
was over emphasized.
Masada played one piece as an encore, because Dave Douglas had to catch a
flight to Bombay, India (where Zorn stated with one of the few words he
spoke at the performance that "the funky boy [was] going to get dysentery.")
The notated music seems to be (as is Zorn's modus operandi) very small. At
one point (for the encore I think). I saw him flipping through what was
probably their over 200 charts which took an incredibly small amount of
space on a music stand that Zorn and Douglas shared. It was also funny as
for the 3rd or 4th piece that was to be played was picked by Zorn, he was
about to launch (or have the band launch) into it and Joey and Greg were
sort of signaling to Zorn ("Hey...you gonna tell us what piece we're gonna
play?"). Very funny.
OK, attire fans should be aware that John even wears camouflage pants to
synagogue (talk about rift's on tradition). These were of a color that I
don't think I've seen him wear before (but I could be wrong). Also, he's
still got the long hair. I think I heard one listener remark before the
show that perhaps the length of Zorn's hair has something to do with the
frequency range in which he is playing or some such odd thing.
I hadn't any idea what to expect from Schott's group before the performance
other than some sort of relation to "Jewish music" (discuss amongst
yourselves on that one). Their sounds were quite nice as well, but I would
not say that they were of the caliber of what I heard from Masada. This is
of course arguable (what isn't). Different music than Masada, but very
good. I recommend hearing it as well.
Debate what I have stated here if you like. It's my opinion and I stand
firm. This was great music.
Your in music,
Allen
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:14:32 -0400
From: Marc Downing <mpdownin@fes.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Chihuly over Venice
>Did anyone in the NYC area happen to catch "Chihuly over Venice" on PBS last
>night? I was not familiar with him or his work and sorta stumbled onto the
>show. For those of you who don't know him, he's a glass blower from Tacoma.
>He made a series of Chandeliers from hundreds of pieces of blown glass and
>hung them over the canals of Venice, among other worldly places. Anyway,
>all the music was composed by Wayne Horvitz and there was at least one
>Masada string trio piece. If it pops up again (as I'm sure it will) I
>strongly recommend it.
>
>He has a website: www.chihuly.com
>
>Jeff Kent
>hijk@gateway.net
I was in Venice when his chandeliers were installed there. They're really
beautiful. They're similar in spirit to what I think some of us love about
Masada. They're an ancient traditional form seen through a new lens, and
as such they don't come across as being something totally original. They
don't eat their parents. They instill a sense of wonder.
Marc
- -
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:10:52 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
Subject: RE: November 8, 1998 San Francisco Masada show
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Allen Gittelson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 10:48 AM
> I can't believe the list is not (yet) flooded with praise of
> Sunday night's
> performance of Masada and also John Schott's group's performance.
Just couldn't find the words. =) Certainly the best concert I'd seen all
year, if not one of the best in a long, long time. All four performers were
spectacular: Douglas in particular kept coaxing out these gorgeous phrases
in his solos.
I had never been inside a synagogue before, and the combination of
everything (music and place) was awe-inspiring, honestly.
> OK, attire fans should be aware that John even wears camouflage pants to
> synagogue (talk about rift's on tradition). These were of a color that I
> don't think I've seen him wear before (but I could be wrong).
The color seemed slightly different from the camo pants he wore to the
concert at Slim's a few months back, but he was certainly wearing the same
(maybe not exactly the same) red T-shirt.
[on the John Schott Group]:
> of course arguable (what isn't). Different music than Masada, but very
> good. I recommend hearing it as well.
One hopes Tzadik will record and release it. They played what seemed like a
long, extended piece (although punctuated by audience applause) for
accordion, trombone, guitar, vocals and drums. All of them were reading from
sheets, but at times it looked as if Schott was improvising (particularly
during a Bailey-like guitar-popping solo). (Clueless newbie question here:
anyone understand what those finger signals were?)
> Debate what I have stated here if you like. It's my opinion and I stand
> firm. This was great music.
No debate. I just feel particularly lucky to have seen Zorn twice this year.
(Now if only those Masada discs start going down in price...)
Later,
Ben
np: new and used, "consensus"
http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
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- -
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:50:12 -0800 (PST)
From: "m. rizzi" <rizzi@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: November 8, 1998 San Francisco Masada show
Benito Vergara, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>[on the John Schott Group]:
>> of course arguable (what isn't). Different music than Masada, but very
>> good. I recommend hearing it as well.
>
>One hopes Tzadik will record and release it.
Did y'all really like that Schott piece?
Overall, I didn't like it. Seemed very
under rehearsed and not very fluid. There
some very fine moments, Jewlia's singing was
fabulous, as was Scott's drumming.
And I liked Tom Yoder trombone
solo and the sweet accordian riffs that
reminded me of Astor Piazzola. But Schott's
guitar was an annoying distraction, coming
off rather wanky to my wanky tolerant ears. :)
And the spoken word text just wasn't compelling.
I almost hate to say it, but the piece would
have been much better without the guitar.
mike the naysayer
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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 21:18:44 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: waits/weill
I would have to agree with all you recommending Rain Dogs. It's an
absolutely incredible album as far as I'm concerned. What does Marc
Ribot play on aside from Swordfishtrombones, Rain Dogs and Frank's Wild
Years???
I'd also be curious to hear what you all recommend as your favorite Kurt
Weill!
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:18:36 CET
From: "Ma Meeshka Mow" <skwoz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: trade
>From: "Martin Vognsen" <hejven@hotmail.com>
>Hi guys,
>
>
>Please mail this to the Zorn list:
>Hi!
>I'm looking for releases by a label from Berlin called Trippen. I'm
>interested in any releases, but particularly releases by K÷nig
>(releases: '42', '43', '44' and others) and Kafka (ANY releases!)
>If you have any unique items (with scratches etc) let me know! Also
>I need help to identify an untitled item in my collection. It is very
>black and the level is pretty high.
>Thanks
>Martin
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:47:28 CET
From: "Ma Meeshka Mow" <skwoz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: trade
>From: "Martin Vognsen" <hejven@hotmail.com>
>Hi guys,
>
>
>Please mail this to the Zorn list:
>Hi!
>I'm looking for releases by a label from Berlin called Trippen. I'm
>interested in any releases, but particularly releases by K÷nig
>(releases: '42', '43', '44' and others) and Kafka (ANY releases!)
>If you have any unique items (with scratches etc) let me know! Also
>I need help to identify an untitled item in my collection. It is very
>black and the level is pretty high.
>Thanks
>Martin
Please answer to "hejven@hotmail.com"
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:20:11 +0100
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@silesia.top.pl>
Subject: Fw: Superkapele
I just got a mail saying, that Masada String Quartet (hmm... quartet?)
and "regular" Masada will perform in Poland soon. Does anybody from
you know anything about it? Does Zorn plan to have european tour in
the near future?
__________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak [arno@silesia.top.DEATHTOSPAMMERS.pl]
www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill
Frisell
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