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Zorn List Digest       Monday, November 2 1998       Volume 02 : Number 516



In this issue:
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       Hanrahan
       Re:  Whoops, I'm an Indian
       yankees
       PIGPEN
       aller et a venir in mons, belgium
       Re: Kip Hanrahan
       Re: Kip Hanrahan
       Re: PIGPEN
       Ackley/Dresser/Justin Time/Piazzola etc
       Re:  Re: PIGPEN
       Keiji Haino
       New address for Screwgun website
       RE: Re: PIGPEN
       Re: Re: PIGPEN
       Improvised Music New York 1981
       Re: Improvised Music New York 1981
       Re:  Improvised Music New York 1981
       guitar music
       Re:  guitar music
       Re: Ackley/Dresser/Justin Time/Piazzola etc
       Re: Improvised Music New York 1981
       Re: PIGPEN

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:58:59 -0500
From: Sean Terwilliger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hanrahan

It seems to me, that the new Shadow Nights CD is exactly the same as
Thousand Nights and A night, released last year. The track listing @
tower and CD connection is the same, the cover image is the same...
Perhaps Justin Time is just re-issuing the series with a new title???
They've got a Shadow nights 2 listed as forthcoming on their site.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:53:21 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Whoops, I'm an Indian

In a message dated 10/30/98 10:19:50 AM, [e-mail]
wrote:

<<This is the debut album by Hal Wilner (as performer/composer) on the
     Pussyfoot label. Apparently consisting almost entirely of samples
     augmented by a band that includes Ralph Carney. Anyone heard/seen it
     yet?

     Brian Olewnick>>

I bought a copy of this yesterday at Other Music, largely based on the well-
written review at Simon Hopkins' Motion site
(http://www.state51.co.uk/motion/). I haven't heard it yet.

still recovering from the power of Keiji Haino,
Jon

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:50:40 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: yankees

i just saw the re-issue of "yankees" in the record store yesterday. when was
this released? any reviews of the album would be appreciated.

also someone mentioned a new zorn piece to be recorded by dave lombardo and
mike patton. anyone know aything about this piece? thanks mucho.

jt


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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:43:23 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Theo Klaase)
Subject: PIGPEN

I have Pigpen's "Half Rack" album and I think it's just great....Does
anyone know how good the other albums are?  Which one is best, etc....?

 Any info appreciated.  (Email me pivately) Thanks!


}Theodorus--


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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:52:30 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Pequet)
Subject: aller et a venir in mons, belgium

Here is the schedule of the concerts at LA MEDIATHEQUE in Mons, Belgium
for this season. And an announcement for the magazine they publish.

RESEAU D'EXPRESSIONS LIBRES
The concerts start at 4 or 5 pm.
100 BEF

Auditorium de la Mediatheque
24 rue de la Seuwe, Ilot de la Grand-Place
7000 Mons, Belgium, tel [phone]

21/11    5 pm    Arnaud Methivier
05/12    4 pm    Leonid Soybelman
        Jean-Marc Montera + Dominique Regef
23/01    4 pm    Luzmilia Carpio
06/03    5 pm    Gunter Muller + Voice Crack


DISCO GRAPHIE (LA REVUE MUSICALE ANTI-FUN)
is a magazine published every other month or so, that I consider unique
in the perspective of a critical approach to contemporary expressions,
the last edition is already number 24. This is for if you read French.

Please contact:
P. Hemptinne, La Mediatheque, 24 rue de la Seuwe, 7000 Mons, Belgium,
tel [phone], fax [phone] (or email me and I will forward
or try to answer)

Benjamin Pequet



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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:46:13 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Kip Hanrahan

At 01:23 PM 10/28/98 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>     Anyone heard Hanrahan's 'Shadow Nights 1' yet, recently released by
>     Justin Time/American Clave? Much as I like his work (especially the
>     mid to late 80's things), I'm beginning to get the suspicion that
>     lately he's simply been draining the vaults. Wondering how long Don
>     Pullen's going to continue appearing on KH's issues.

I've kind of been hoping someone else might have had more definite
information, but I remember reading somewhere (the exact reference eludes
me) that Hanrahan had some large number (16 sticks in my head, but that's
admittedly a large number) of albums in the can.  Although further
discussion of Shadow Nights leads me to think it's a rename of a previous
release, perhaps we can expect previously unreleased material from the band
at some point in the future.


- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:59:15 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Kip Hanrahan

Caleb T. Deupree wrote:

> I've kind of been hoping someone else might have had more definite
> information, but I remember reading somewhere (the exact reference eludes
> me) that Hanrahan had some large number (16 sticks in my head, but that's
> admittedly a large number) of albums in the can.  Although further
> discussion of Shadow Nights leads me to think it's a rename of a previous
> release, perhaps we can expect previously unreleased material from the band
> at some point in the future.

Yeah, I'm totally confused now as to whether this one's new or not. One
point though: I think Sean mentioned that he thought the covers of the
previous release and this one were the same. They're not; ATON&AN had a
burnt orange-ish cover with, I think Cindy Blackman's photo. This one
has a purple-ish blue cover with, I'm guessing, Lucy Penabaz. But Steve
said the
new one's had delayed distribution in the US and I saw this one in Tower
(NYC) over a week ago. Maybe this is just the latest step in Hanrahan's
willful obscurantism. If anyone can straighten this out decisively,
please do!

Brian Olewnick

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:23:45 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: PIGPEN

> I have Pigpen's "Half Rack" album and I think it's just great....Does
> anyone know how good the other albums are?  Which one is best, etc....?
>
>  Any info appreciated.  (Email me pivately) Thanks!

I've got Daylight and Miss Ann. The former contains some slower parts on
piano and electric piano and my impression of it is generally jazzier. Miss
Ann is a bit more weird, using more fusion-style keyboard sounds, and
covering Triggerfingers and Eric Dolphy's Miss Ann. I've heard that V As In
Victim (on the Avant label) is great too, and have been searching for it at
a reasonable price, to no avail. It seems that all their cds are great.


- -

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:47:35 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ackley/Dresser/Justin Time/Piazzola etc

> I'm curious to hear about Ackley's "straight-ahead" disc. Not that the
> ROVA boys don't have roots, but how close to the mainstream does this one
> get? Are they Ackley's tunes or rep tunes?

They're mostly original, with one by Duck Baker (one of the best).  When
I said straight ahead, I basically meant it has changes, most of the
time, and is in countable (swing) time.  Also not a lot of extended
techniques.  I would say this IS mainstream, but if Verve and Blue Note
and all that stuff is mainstream, then its not.
>
> > anyone got details of the forthcoming Mark Dresser kfw cd?
>
It's going to be Dresser, Anthony Coleman, and Chris Speed, based on what
they said in the newsletter that came with their last batch.

 (also the Marie McAuliffe Bacherach cd is out in Nov. - done at
> Zorn's suggestion, i recall?)

Its 12 songs and about 45 minutes long, and its all as reworked, or more
so, than the one on the GReat Jewish Music CD.  Aren't most of the Avant
CDs Zorn's suggestions (asking, not being a smartass...)

> >the great trilogy of Piazzolla discs on American
>  Clave (including his all-time best single disc representation, "Tango
>  Zero Hour"), previously> held by Rounder, has been picked up by
> Nonesuch, at least in the US.  I believe> their version of "Tango Zero
> Hour" may already be on the market.
>
It is, I saw it last month, for a pretty low price actually ($11.99
compared to 14.99 for most Nonesuch CDs).  Didn't get it though, yet.

WY
>



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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:56:10 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: PIGPEN

In a message dated 10/30/98 23:34:16, you wrote:

>I've heard that V As In
>
>Victim (on the Avant label) is great too

this record is fantastic. buy it at any cost. i can't compare it to any of the
others, but i really like it.

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:46:00 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Keiji Haino

Well, here's a quick recap of the first two nights of the NYC three-night
Haino festival:

Friday night's two sets with Mark Dresser and Joey Baron were certainly
fascinating, but on a purely musical level, I didn't find them exceptional.
Before the concert, I couldn't quite conceive of how this trio would mesh
their differing styles. What ended up being the case was that Haino pushed his
sound toward that of Dresser and Baron, at times reminding me a bit of Wes
Montgomery, believe it or not (although, to be fair, my knowledge of jazz
guitar is fairly limited). They did push a bit towards the noisier side at
times, but by and large, the sets were fairly controlled. It was nice to see a
different facet of Haino, but the music only occasionally bordered on
transcendent, in stark contrast to the previous night. The highlight for me
was the ending piece to the first set, where Baron spurred Haino on to a
higher state of frenzy than was evident the rest of the night.

The previous night, Thursday, featured a solo set of Haino on hurdy-gurdy and
a solo set of percussion and vocals. The hurdy-gurdy record I have by Haino
(the PSF one, I've heard the Tokuma one is superior) didn't prepare me for the
range of sounds that Haino conjured out of the instrument. More than anything,
it reminded me of Tony Conrad, but much, much less rigorish. I'm not sure how
he was doing it, but Haino really used the sound system well, with different
noises flying all over the room. I felt he lost his way a few times during the
set, but each time he recovered nicely after a few minutes, and went on to
dazzle. the ambience was great also, with the room being almost completely
dark, incense burning, a red velvet backdrop, and Haino wearing what looked
like priest's robes as opposed to his standard leather pants. he also did some
very muted, ghostly whispered vocals. all in all, a very powerful, spiritual
set.

the percussion and vocal set was performed on a single drum, to which numerous
effects had been attached. he also had a mike right up next to his mouth, and
for much of the concert inside his mouth. the sounds he was getting from his
trademark shriek/screams were far more nuanced than I've ever heard on record;
it was stunning to me that the human voice, no matter how processed, could
create sounds so seemingly industrial and electronic.
as for the percussion, he occasionally ran out of ideas here also, but usually
compensated for that with sheer power. he was using a pair of mallets for most
of the set, and for the last fifteen minutes or so, one was clearly gradually
splintering. the set ended just after he broke this mallet into two pieces,
one of which came flying into the front row. I enjoyed the first half hour of
this set more than any other Haino I've seen, I think.

I'm not attending tonight, but I'd love to hear about it.

Jon

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 20:16:05 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: New address for Screwgun website

Hi all -

Just a note to let you know that the Screwgun website has moved to
http://www.screwgunrecords.com

Update your address books and bookmarks, and please do let me know if
you find any bugs or broken links... I've spent the last few days trying
to debug the whole site, but certainly might have missed something.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:15:03 +0100
From: "Artur Nowak" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Re: PIGPEN

> >Victim (on the Avant label) is great too
>
> this record is fantastic. buy it at any cost.

Hmm... Generally, I'm very dissapointed by Horvitz records, especially
Pigpen and Zony Mash. I have impression, that Horvitz wants to make
"Naked City 2", and the thing missing in his records is the power of
Naked City. The comparsion is obvious (to me...) when listening to
"Sex Fiend" from "Cold Spell" - Horvitz version is just weak,
anemic... when Naked City kicks ass!

:-(


__________________________________________________________________
     Artur Nowak [[e-mail]]
     www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill
Frisell



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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 23:49:41 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: PIGPEN

> Hmm... Generally, I'm very dissapointed by Horvitz records, especially
> Pigpen and Zony Mash. I have impression, that Horvitz wants to make
> "Naked City 2", and the thing missing in his records is the power of
> Naked City. The comparsion is obvious (to me...) when listening to
> "Sex Fiend" from "Cold Spell" - Horvitz version is just weak,
> anemic... when Naked City kicks ass!

I don't own any Zony Mash albums, but from the odd song I've managed to
hear from them, I know exactly what you mean. But you can't say the same
about Pigpen, I don't think Horvitz is trying to do the same thing there.
As I just posted about a day ago, Daylight is great, and really doesn't
have much linkage to Naked City, in fact you wouldn't necessarily know it
was the same guy in the two bands from listening to that cd. Miss Ann is a
bit closer to Naked City, but is still great in its own right. And
according to others, V As In Victim is also wonderful. Incidentally, Miss
Ann has a cover of Triggerfingers which in my opinion doesn't quite equal
the original, but it is still a very good version.

If you can, try to get a hold of Zony Mash performing Torture Garden (I
don't know whether it's still on their website). It has the wonderful
Eyvind Kang on violin and Mike Stone on drums, and it is extremely funny to
listen to.


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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 15:36:46 -0500
From: Kevin Neales <[e-mail]>
Subject: Improvised Music New York 1981

I just bought a used copy of Improvised Music New York 1981 on Muworks.
The song titles are not printed in the booklet, but are hand written in.
Just curious, but was this the way it was sold originally?


                                                         Kevin Neales

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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 16:33:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Improvised Music New York 1981

In a message dated 98-11-01 15:48:20 EST, Kevin Neales writes:

<< I just bought a used copy of Improvised Music New York 1981 on Muworks.
 The song titles are not printed in the booklet, but are hand written in. >>

One of my customers in Japan found this for me new, the same Muworks version
you have. Mine has no titles on it whatsoever, so apparently someone along the
way attempted to figure out what "songs" these were and wrote them into your
booklet. I'd be interested in seeing that list actually, and I hope this info
helps!

Dale.


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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:16:45 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Improvised Music New York 1981

In a message dated 11/1/98 15:48:20, you wrote:

>The song titles are not printed in the booklet, but are hand written in.
>Just curious, but was this the way it was sold originally?

my booklet doesn't have song titles. it also does not have any handwriting in
it.

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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 18:36:22 -0800
From: "Christian Heslop" <[e-mail]>
Subject: guitar music

I'm looking for some modern classical guitar music(wrap your mind around
that nomenclatural sin)-specifically for a recording of some Leo Brouwer
etudes that I've been studying.I'm also interested in guitarists working in
other idioms etc.Any recommendations?


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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 23:56:07 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  guitar music

For classical guitar and beyond (nylon string music -with a hint of steel and
electric) I usually recommend Andrew York's Perfect Sky. This album is
generally made up of original tunes, though he has some P. Tchaikovsky, F.
Couperin, and others included. His songwriting is wonderful in that one can
learn a lot after learning some of his stuff. He might fit under the
oxymoronish styles of a modern traditionalist.
Another name that pops in my head when I think of classical guitar is Toumani
Diabate. Even though he does not play guitar his style on his instrument is
very nylon classical sounding at times. He plays an instrument his father
popularized in Mali called a kora. Solo and with accompaniment he flips
through many styles that spread throughout the world. Check out his album
Djelika.
Hope something here is helpful.

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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 08:23:04 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ackley/Dresser/Justin Time/Piazzola etc

On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:47:35 -0500 (EST)  William York wrote:
>
> > > anyone got details of the forthcoming Mark Dresser kfw cd?
> >
> It's going to be Dresser, Anthony Coleman, and Chris Speed, based on what
> they said in the newsletter that came with their last batch.

Could it be that one?

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** - UN CHIEN ANDALOU: Mark Dresser

  Mark Dresser; Anthony Coleman; Mike Sarin.

    1997 - Knitting Factory Works (USA), ??? (CD)

  Note: not released yet (planned for November 1997).

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Patrice.

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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 08:42:14 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Improvised Music New York 1981

On Sun, 01 Nov 1998 15:36:46 -0500  Kevin Neales wrote:
>
> I just bought a used copy of Improvised Music New York 1981 on Muworks.
> The song titles are not printed in the booklet, but are hand written in.
> Just curious, but was this the way it was sold originally?

This record is famous for the tersity of its liner notes...

    Patrice.

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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:51:35 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Chris Barrett)
Subject: Re: PIGPEN

At 5:43 PM 10/30/98, Theo Klaase wrote:
>I have Pigpen's "Half Rack" album and I think it's just great....Does
>anyone know how good the other albums are?  Which one is best, etc....?
>
> Any info appreciated.  (Email me pivately) Thanks!
>
>
>}Theodorus--
>
>

V as in Victim is my favorite.  The title cut is redone on Daylight but
looses a lot of the intensity (and is I think only half as long).

Live in Poland has got some good stuff on it too.  It's interesting to hear
how they deal with those tunes that use multiple sax tracks.

Miss Ann has some interesting stuff going on, and is probably the most
cohesive after Daylight, not that anyone here is looking for cohesive
records.  ;>)


I like all the Pigpen stuff, but I don't "love" it.  There is something
about all the releases I've heard that just seems like the playing is a
little flat.  I don't think they are bad, but the playing on the Naked City
records (since someone brought it up) does seem much more inspired to me,
even though they are not trying to do the same thing....

Actually, I think I like the concept of what Pigpen was trying to do (or
what it sounds like to me they were trying to do) more than Naked City, but
ultimately Naked City succeeds more often.

- -Chris



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