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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #492
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, October 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 492
In this issue:
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Conlon Nancarrow
Re: Aporias
re: guitar
San Francisco info wanted
Jim Staley
Re: Jim Staley
Scoop
MORE ZORN INTERVIEW!
MORE ZORN INTERVIEW!
Lust Corner
Zorn-Sites
New Bill Laswell mailing list
Roberta Baum query
Q about Sang Phat
Masada String Trio/Hanukkah collection
ESP reissues
Re: Masada String Trio/Hanukkah collection
Re: Zorn-Sites
Re: Zorn-Sites
Eugene Chadbourne (for Europeans only)
Re: Zorn-Sites
Re: Q about Sang Phat
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:59:14 -0800
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Conlon Nancarrow
I'm slowly working my way through 20 zorn digests that accumulated while I
was out of town & then too busy to read them. I don't remember who
commented on the Ensemble Modern recording of Nancarrow's music, but I have
to warn anyone who has only heard this recording that they really haven't
heard Nancarrow's Studies for Player Piano. For that you have to go to the
Wergo recordings of the Studies for Player Piano.
The ensemble versions of these pieces heard on this disc, arranged by Yvar
Mishakoff, are far too slow (humans couldn't play most of them fast
enough). The Ensemble Modern recordings of eleven of these studies takes
approximately 45 minutes, the most recent recordings of the same works on
player piano (from the Wergo sets) takes about 32 minutes. But far worse
than the tempo problems, the arrangements, which spread the pitches of
Nancarrow's player piano rolls across a small instrumental ensemble. The
surprisingly rich timbral effects that Nancarrow is able to achieve using
the relatively limited palette of the player piano are gone, replaced by
often corny, simplistic orchestrations. In general these arrangements are
a travesty, like a colorized movie.
Ensemble Modern's playing is quite good, and on the few pieces for live
performers that fill out the last third of the disc they're great. And
this is the only recording of the Sarabande & Scherzo & of the complete
Trio.
But still if you want the real deal, go with the Wergo series of discs.
Bests,
Herb
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
- -
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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:38:44 -0400
From: stephen drury <stevedrury@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Aporias
At 05:21 PM 10/5/98 -0600, Scott Russell wrote:
> Aporias is a different beast.... It's a modern classical
>chamber piece.
Sorry to nitpick after the kind mention, but Aporias is for large orchestra
(including 6 -count'em- 6 boy sopranos) with piano solo. However, Zorn's
expressed desire when writing for the orchestra was to acheive a chamber
music, even soloistic quality in the writing, so I guess both Zorn and Scott
are in the money ...
- --steve
- -
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:06:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: leon lee <llee15@ccsf.cc.ca.us>
Subject: re: guitar
i know there are tapes of nels cline solo guitar around. one of them is
from 'cyberfest 1994 (?)' in which he plays both acoustic and electric.
the material ranges from the patented nels chops to lush soundscapes.
loren mazzacane conners/keiji haino @ dmg1992 is a nice cd
tables of the elements 7"s -- most notably d.bailey's 7"
my friend just put out a solo guitar 7" that is quite beautiful. i highly
recommend it!
gentry densely : solo guitar
oblique force
the acceleration of color (acoustic)
the label is move sounds... info: iceburn @ po box 289 midway ut 84049
(shalom wa'lekkum) peace be with you...
Leon Lee
_______________________________________________________________________________
"life work in-progress"
Students for Creative Music and Experimental Performance, treasurer
"What is it to praise?
Make yourself particles."
-- Rumi
- -
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:37:14 +0200
From: Marcin.Witkowski@wor.tvp.com.pl
Subject: San Francisco info wanted
> Dear zorniers in SF.
>
> I will be in San Francisco from 2nd to 6th of November (visiting KGO
> broadcast station).
> I need informations about good CD (new and second hand) shops and places
> with Zorn related live music.
> I will appreciate any info.
>
> Thanks
> Marcin
- -
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:12:05 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Jim Staley
Are Jim Staley's albums worth getting? Which would people most recommend?
- -
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:04:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: Re: Jim Staley
> Are Jim Staley's albums worth getting? Which would people most recommend?
Yes, most certainly.
Well, they're all fairly similar in style and scope, so you can't really
go wrong - since they're all free improv the things that make the pieces
different are the players. I personally would recommend the discs that
contain Shelley Hirsch and Ikue Mori (which is actually most of them,
maybe even all of them!) - I'm blanking on the title, it's the one with
the greenish cover and the zig-zaggy text on the front. The Don Giovanni
CD is especially good...I think it's my favorite Staley because of its
opera connection. :)
(I'm an opera singer)
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- -
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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:42:29 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Scoop
Here's something interesting - Bill Laswell will be recording with Keiji
Haino and Rashid Ali next month, for a release on Avant or Tzadik.
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:37:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase)
Subject: MORE ZORN INTERVIEW!
DUCKWORTH
Do you listen to your own music?
ZORN
No. I think the Spillane record was the 1st thing I really enjoyed
listening to. I still come back to that record. All the "game pieces"
I never listened to; all the improvised records I never listened to.
And I never listened to live performances until the Naked City band. It
was bad enough having to play the shit without having to listen to it.
DUCKWORTH
What happened to get you back to New York
ZORN
Well, I did a lot of work on the West Coast meeting musicians in
jazz-oriented, improvisation-oriented music. And I started promoting my
own concerts. I'd just go into a coffee shop and say, "Hey, can I play
here on Friday?" And they'd go, "Well, yeah, why not?" I'd make my own
posters and put them around. That was 1974. I kept making my own
posters until something like '83 or '84. And it was a really great
period. No one would come to gigs, but I just loved the opportunity to
be able to play, and to compose and then perform it. I think another
one of my dissatisfactions was writing these big scores that never got
played. In high school, I maybe did one or two performances my whole
time, and even that was not very satisfactory. It was like watching my
music get butchered by people. And another reason I think I got
involved in performing my own stuff was that I'd get it done right. So
I started paring the stuff down. That's something that I learned in
college. Not writing symphonic works that would never be played, but
doing a thing for 4 or 5 or 6 players, then getting the people together,
rrefearsing them, and doing it. So, starting from where I dropped out I
just said, "Okay, I'm going to meet people, write, perform my music, and
play wherever I can play." I played on the street for years. And I had
met musicians on the West Coast who eventually gravitated to New York,
and we began working together. But in 1974, '75, '76, there were maybe
two people I could play with, so I booked trio pieces, you know.
DUCKWORTH
Where were you playing them?
ZORN
In my apartment on Lafayette St. across from the Public Theater, at
a place I called the Theater of Musical Optics. We used to do weekly
concerts.
DUCKWORTH
Were you getting audiences?
ZORN
2,3,4 people.
DUCKWORTH
Do you think your music changed, or did they have a change in
attitude?
ZORN
I was doing the same fucking shit. My music now is very different
that what it was, say, five or ten years aga. But at that particular
time I had been doing the "game pieces" and that was improvisational
stuff. And sure your music grows. But as far as I was concerned, their
attitudes had changed. The music connected with them in some way.
- ---from the book "Talking Music" by Duckworth maybe at your local
Library.
- -Theodorus
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:37:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase)
Subject: MORE ZORN INTERVIEW!
DUCKWORTH
Do you listen to your own music?
ZORN
No. I think the Spillane record was the 1st thing I really enjoyed
listening to. I still come back to that record. All the "game pieces"
I never listened to; all the improvised records I never listened to.
And I never listened to live performances until the Naked City band. It
was bad enough having to play the shit without having to listen to it.
DUCKWORTH
What happened to get you back to New York
ZORN
Well, I did a lot of work on the West Coast meeting musicians in
jazz-oriented, improvisation-oriented music. And I started promoting my
own concerts. I'd just go into a coffee shop and say, "Hey, can I play
here on Friday?" And they'd go, "Well, yeah, why not?" I'd make my own
posters and put them around. That was 1974. I kept making my own
posters until something like '83 or '84. And it was a really great
period. No one would come to gigs, but I just loved the opportunity to
be able to play, and to compose and then perform it. I think another
one of my dissatisfactions was writing these big scores that never got
played. In high school, I maybe did one or two performances my whole
time, and even that was not very satisfactory. It was like watching my
music get butchered by people. And another reason I think I got
involved in performing my own stuff was that I'd get it done right. So
I started paring the stuff down. That's something that I learned in
college. Not writing symphonic works that would never be played, but
doing a thing for 4 or 5 or 6 players, then getting the people together,
rrefearsing them, and doing it. So, starting from where I dropped out I
just said, "Okay, I'm going to meet people, write, perform my music, and
play wherever I can play." I played on the street for years. And I had
met musicians on the West Coast who eventually gravitated to New York,
and we began working together. But in 1974, '75, '76, there were maybe
two people I could play with, so I booked trio pieces, you know.
DUCKWORTH
Where were you playing them?
ZORN
In my apartment on Lafayette St. across from the Public Theater, at
a place I called the Theater of Musical Optics. We used to do weekly
concerts.
DUCKWORTH
Were you getting audiences?
ZORN
2,3,4 people.
DUCKWORTH
Do you think your music changed, or did they have a change in
attitude?
ZORN
I was doing the same fucking shit. My music now is very different
that what it was, say, five or ten years aga. But at that particular
time I had been doing the "game pieces" and that was improvisational
stuff. And sure your music grows. But as far as I was concerned, their
attitudes had changed. The music connected with them in some way.
- ---from the book "Talking Music" by Duckworth maybe at your local
Library.
- -Theodorus
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:38:35 -0500
From: Michel Rondeau <rondelle@bos.ca>
Subject: Lust Corner
Has any body listened to the Winter & Winter album Lust Corner featuring
Marc Ribot & Eugene Chadbourne?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:45:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase)
Subject: Zorn-Sites
When is someone going to update those Zorn Websites?
- -Theodorus
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:03:06 +0100
From: Phil <phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk>
Subject: New Bill Laswell mailing list
Some of you lot may be interested to hear that a new Bill Laswell mailing
list has just been set up - the address is laswell@onelist.com and you can
find instructions for subscribing (in both individual post & digest
flavours)by checking out http://www.onelist.com.
I don't have anything to do with setting the list up, but the more
subscribers, the better.
Cheers
Phil Clarkson
phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:01:17 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Roberta Baum query
The recent Previte retrospective at KF reminded me of one of my favorite
one time performances, Roberta Baum's inspired ululations on the
composition 'Break the Cups' from Previte's 'Empty Suits'. To the best
of my recollection, I've never heard of her before or since. Anyone have
any info?
Brian Olewnick
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:12:09 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Q about Sang Phat
I just picked up Sang Phat's _Editor_ CD (Skin Graft GR44CD 1997), and it has
very little info contained within the cover...Pat Samson- drums, Mark Shippy-
guitar, Todd Rittmann- guitar/banjo, Al Johnson- singer. Also credited is Jim
O'Rourke for production. Some really whacked out shit here- crazy improvised
rock, played with impeccable musicianship...or something similar. Singer
Johnson is an absolute loon here. Anybody care to shed some light on this
ensemble?
Geeze, this is a great CD...
=dgasque=
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:19:09 -0500
From: James Hale <jhale@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Masada String Trio/Hanukkah collection
FYI: Bikkurim by Masada String Trio is collected as part of a new CD
called Festival Of Light on Six Degrees/Koch.
Also featured on the disc are Don Byron and Jane Siberry. Erik
Friedlander plays on a number of tracks.
James Hale
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 23:44:38 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: ESP reissues
Does anybody know what's happening with the ESP catalog changeover? Should
I hold off buying any for the new versions, assuming they'll even happen?
- ------------------------------------------------------
Lang Thompson
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4
New at the Funhouse website: Did Elvis Steal Rock 'n'
Roll?, The X-Files Movie Bites!, music reviews
- -
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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 23:55:29 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Masada String Trio/Hanukkah collection
James Hale wrote:
>
> FYI: Bikkurim by Masada String Trio is collected as part of a new CD
> called Festival Of Light on Six Degrees/Koch.
> Also featured on the disc are Don Byron and Jane Siberry. Erik
> Friedlander plays on a number of tracks.
The CD has actually been out since last Chanukah. Yep, it's a keeper!
- --
- ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1----------
|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
- -
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:03:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: "m. rizzi" <rizzi@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn-Sites
Theo Klaase, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>When is someone going to update those Zorn Websites?
Which websites? What needs to be updated?
Why are you asking the list, rather than
the respective webmasters?
mike
- -
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:28:53 -0700
From: "Christian Heslop" <xian@mbay.net>
Subject: Re: Zorn-Sites
I think that this question was both semi-rhetorical and apt.My first
internet connection was started over two years ago, and every Zorn site
from that date has persisted up until now in the same form that they were
in when I first encountered them.I think their content shoudl be updated
and I believe Theo is asking the list because he is soliciting our opinion
on a zorn-related topic.What is it about Zorn enthusiasts that makes us
incapable of running web pages.Perhaps we are too healthy to indulge in
such fannish pasttimes?
- ----------
> From: m. rizzi <rizzi@netcom.com>
> To: Theo Klaase <Vlad-Drac@webtv.net>
> Cc: Zorn Mailing List <zorn-list@xmission.com>
>
> >When is someone going to update those Zorn Websites?
>
> Which websites? What needs to be updated?
> Why are you asking the list, rather than
> the respective webmasters?
>
> mike
>
> -
- -
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:04:21 +0100
From: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be>
Subject: Eugene Chadbourne (for Europeans only)
Dear Zornmembers,
I got quite an amount of personal emails from european zornlist members
where they could get the latest cd's from Eugene Chadbourne.
Well, a good european ditributor is Staalplaat.
Hope this will solve all the problems.
NP: Eric Dolphy 'The complete prestige recordings' (great music)
> 6392 Eugene Chadbourne - Insect And Western Insect Attracter CD
> 8015 Eugene Chadbourne - Jungle Cookies 2CD
> Staalplaat Mailorder
> PO Box 11453
> 1001 GL Amsterdam NL
> Mon.- Fri. 10am-18pm CET
> Phone 31 20 625 4176
> Fax 31 20 623 9281
Their email is mailorder@staalplaat.com
- --
Stefan Verstraeten
- -
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:26:47 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Zorn-Sites
> I think that this question was both semi-rhetorical and apt.My first
> internet connection was started over two years ago, and every Zorn site
> from that date has persisted up until now in the same form that they were
> in when I first encountered them.I think their content shoudl be updated
> and I believe Theo is asking the list because he is soliciting our
opinion
> on a zorn-related topic.What is it about Zorn enthusiasts that makes us
> incapable of running web pages.Perhaps we are too healthy to indulge in
> such fannish pasttimes?
Perhaps also it is the fact that he releases over 20 albums every year, and
noone can keep up...
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 05:59:21 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Q about Sang Phat
In a message dated 10/7/98 1:34:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ljhender@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> This is actually the second album by the Ohio nowave group, U.S. Maple.
> The album's name is Sang Phat Editor.
Thanks for the info, Les. I knew I was taking a bit of a gamble with the
group/title attempt. I'll check out the first CD.
- -
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