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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #472
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, September 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 472
In this issue:
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where to get john wall ??????? Here your answer !!!!!!!
Next-life implants
RE: collecting music
Re: collecting music
Main/ Organum
Re: collecting music
Re[2]: collecting music
Fwd: collecting music
Re: collecting music
Re: Celluloid
Re: Bacharach covers
Re: collecting music
Re: collecting music
Re: Bacharach covers
Re: where to get john wall ??????? Here your answer !!!!!!!
Re: Celluloid
Jazzonia In Stock At CDNow
Re: Fwd: collecting music
collecting masada
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:15:10 +0200
From: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be>
Subject: where to get john wall ??????? Here your answer !!!!!!!
> From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
> Subject: zorn: publisher (plus: John Wall)
> Also: what label is John Wall's FRACTUUR on, and is there an online
> place for me to get hold of it?
Dear Scott,
A good distributor is
http://www.manifoldrecords.com
They sell all the john wall discs.
Hopefully, this helps.
See ya
np: Bill Laswells' Jazzonia. Smooth, but I like it (BILL RULES)
- -
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:16:47 -0400
From: David Keffer <keffer@shell.planetc.com>
Subject: Next-life implants
>In a message dated 9/22/98 11:06:14 PM, mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us wrote:
><<Well I'm not buying ANY recordings because in my next life they'll have
>developed implants whcih will make all of the music ever recorded available
>at the flip of a twitch.>>
In that case, I think I am going to avoid the next life altogether.
Think of the potential horrors:
Example 1. The case of the accidental twitch while asleep.
Implant plays: reveille (for solo bugle).
Example 2. The case of the coy wink.
Implant plays random selection from "romantic song" database.
Example 3. Worst of all, the case of a nervous tic.
Implant skips the record over and over and over and over...
- -
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:41:09 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
Subject: RE: collecting music
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Taylor McLaren
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 5:14 AM
> If nothing else, I'm at least looking forward to the time when
> all of the
> crazed fans on this list start selling off the original releases for a
> couple of bucks apiece in order to pay for the big ol' box... it'll make
> dipping my toes into the project a whole lot more feasible than
> it is right
> now.
LOL! I thought of doing that when the Painkiller set came out -- but I
bought the collection (used) anyway. Turns out I didn't miss much with that
live set anyhow. =)
BTW, thanks to those who sent me their David S. Ware recommendations -- I
went ahead and picked up the latest album yesterday and I am absolutely
*floored.* Shooting up to my year-end list as we speak.
Later,
Ben
http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406
- -
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:22:01 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: collecting music
Interesting thread here. I used to worry about my buying binges and my ever-
growing collection of music- a lot of which i'll probably never listen to
again. Then I started thinking- if I can keep the bills paid, keep a stash of
cash for the unforseen emergency that may pop up, and invest 15-20% of my
income for retirement, then why worry about the collection?
There are a few things i've noticed about the hard-core collector. Some may
apply to people you know...all in fun of course...
1) Not only collects music, but collects record collecting magazines.
2) Has 56 different copies of Pink Floyd's _DSotM_, and is always on the
lookout for that ever-evasive copy on Senegal's Dakaar label...
3) Constantly bugs you about giving up your copy of Pink Floyd's DSotM_ on the
Dakaar label.
4) Can name all of the labels _DSotM_ has appeared, but can't tell you what
the name of the third song on _DSotM_ .
5) Has several unopened/mint copies of an LP/CD you covet, but won't
sell...but will trade for something- like your copy of Pink Floyd's _DSotM_ on
the Dakaar label- while constantly reminding you what a steal you're getting
in the trade.
6) Still owns (and uses) an all-in-one component stereo system.
7) Has their entire collection documented on 4 x 6 index cards.
8) Records their LPs on cassettes and plays them instead of subjecting their
vinyl to "further wear and tear."
So how many here have attained (or are getting close to...) collector's
critical mass- the point at which one owns more musical recordings than to
which he/she could possibly ever listen?
=dgasque=
- -
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:25:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Main/ Organum
I've had the chance to listen to a few CDs by Main (who have some
connection to Zorn I guess through Godflesh and those guys), _Firmament
III_, _Firmament IV_, and _Deliquescence_, with my favorite being
_Firmament III_. When I listened to these I thought of AMM (except the
Main stuff is more flattened out if that makes sense -more quiet humming
sounds and less industrial sounding noise), and then
looking through the Matchless catalogue in the CD I have there is a CD by
Organum which is said to include among others Keith Rowe, Jim O'Rourke
(what other O'Rourke could it be?) and somebody Hampson. Is this the same
person as Robert Hampson from Main, and if so is the album worth me
dishing out $17 for?
Anyway I also find it interesting that folks like Hampson, James Plotkin,
and some other guys like this came out of the Earache thing and are now
doing this super-quiet stuff, although I haven't followed the in between
points that connect Napalm Death to Main. As the drone guitar stuff goes,
it is for me preferable to the more indie rock derived stuff which working
at a college station you hear a lot of.
Just thought I'd share this...
Wy
- -
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:02:17 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: collecting music
On a seperate note... I don't know if I would consider myself a collector
or not. I do have a fairly large number of CDs but I don't like to have
one's I'll never listen to. Every once and a while I'll do a weed-out and
tape and sell back some CDs to the local used record shop. What bugs me is
a certain record store here in St. Louis that seems to be a collectors'
shop rather than a listeners shop. Now, I know 3.99 and 4.99 for a used LP
is pretty good but anything at that price at the collectors' shop sounds
crappy, while LPs at that price at another place in town sound fine to
great. I have a problem with collecting for the sake of collecting and
especially collecting with the intention to sell later at a higher price.
Records are made to be listened to. If you don't listen to them, what's
the point? Mind you, this is not an accusation of anyone on the list, just
a general gripe.
Dan Hewins
- -
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 98 13:46:01 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re[2]: collecting music
dgasque wrote:
<snip>
>7) Has their entire collection documented on 4 x 6 index cards.
No, but I do have them in a Lotus file at work!
>So how many here have attained (or are getting close to...) collector's
>critical mass- the point at which one owns more musical recordings than to
>which he/she could possibly ever listen?
Long, long ago, probably when my record collection reached 200 or so,
I actually felt guilty about the fact that there were records which I
hadn't gotten around to (re)listening to in a long time. As I (like
any good, anal record collector) filed my vinyl alphabetically by
artist (and, bien sur, chronological within alphabetical) I started a
tradition of simply listening through my collection, start to finish.
As, in years since, I've pared and pruned the collection, winnowing
out those items that had little or nothing of value, my current body
of around 1600 items has a listen-cycle of 3 years or so (increasing
all the time, of course).
Kinda fun listening to nothing but Braxton for two months.
Brian Olewnick
(Currently annoying the spouse by having Otomo Yoshihide in the
spinner for the last few days)
PS. Happily, the closest I come to having anything remotely related to
Pink Floyd in my home is that old collector's item: Ron Geesin's
'Patruns'.
- -
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:29:46 EDT
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: collecting music
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In a message dated 98-09-23 13:25:43 EDT, you write:
7) Has their entire collection documented on 4 x 6 index cards.
>>
I'd venture to guess they're (we're?) at least up to a 5 1/4 floppy by now - a
used hand me down Atari most likely.....or maybe even.....a......Commodore!!!!
Dale.
PS: And I for one an definitely into the territory of owning way more discs
than I could ever possibly listen to.
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:25:12 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: collecting music
At 01:22 PM 9/23/98 -0400, Dgasque@aol.com wrote:
>There are a few things i've noticed about the hard-core collector...
There's a great novel about hard-core collectors, totally twisted, called
_Hunters and Gatherers_ by Geoff Nicholson. Not specific to music
collectors, but probably of interest to some people on this list...
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:09:27 +0200
From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Celluloid
> Jeff Spirer wrote:
>
>>> indicated that the material was licensed from Charly, which stands to
>>> reason.
>>
>> Charly isn't the originator, however. They licensed it from The Music
>> Company, which owns the rights to Celluloid (along with Subharmonic) and
>> has done the licensing.
>
> Good grief. The question then remains... are any of the artists who made the
> music seeing any money whatsoever for the continued life of their own work?
> (I saw the Charly CD pressing of Zorn/Bailey/Lewis "Yankees" for the first time
> day before yesterday and wondered the same thing...) That you mention
> Subharmonic in the same sentence with the words "owns the rights to" makes me
> think the answer to my question is no...
Anton Fier once told me that all money from the Celluloid re-issues (or was
it the GoPals reissues..? I have to check) goes to Michael Beinhorn, but he
didn't say why. Jeff??
---------------------------------------------
* Chris Genzel --- stamil@t-online.de *
* Homepage & Herbie Hancock discography at: *
* http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/ *
---------------------------------------------
- -
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:09:26 +0200
From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Bacharach covers
There's also a lovely cover of "Walk On By" on the Lenny White album "Renderers
Of Spirit" (Hip Bop, 1997).
Kind regards,
- Chris.
---------------------------------------------
* Chris Genzel --- stamil@t-online.de *
* Homepage & Herbie Hancock discography at: *
* http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/ *
---------------------------------------------
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:51:06 -0700
From: David D Egan <degan@excell.com>
Subject: Re: collecting music
Dgasque@aol.com wrote:
> So how many here have attained (or are getting close to...) collector's
> critical mass- the point at which one owns more musical recordings than
> to
> which he/she could possibly ever listen?
>
> =dgasque=
>
> -
I'm definitely at the point where I have more music than I can
reasonably listen to. I have maybe 2000 items in my collection,
counting CDs, LPs, 45s, 78s, cassettes and DATs. I buy things I don't
necessarily like sometimes just to complete a set, among other
semi-compulsive behaviors. Tonight I'm going to a listening group which
covers Zorn-related music as well as other things, and last night I
picked out some things to bring. The trouble is, I can't remember what
some of them sound like! I'm playing some of them at work today so I
can appear knowledgeable to the group about the CDs I own. Fortunately
my nearby office partners are out of town for a couple of days. I'm not
sure they'd appreciate hearing what's on right now - Hex Kitchen, by
Ikue Mori.
- - Dave
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:51:06 -0700
From: David D Egan <degan@excell.com>
Subject: Re: collecting music
Dgasque@aol.com wrote:
> So how many here have attained (or are getting close to...) collector's
> critical mass- the point at which one owns more musical recordings than
> to
> which he/she could possibly ever listen?
>
> =dgasque=
>
> -
I'm definitely at the point where I have more music than I can
reasonably listen to. I have maybe 2000 items in my collection,
counting CDs, LPs, 45s, 78s, cassettes and DATs. I buy things I don't
necessarily like sometimes just to complete a set, among other
semi-compulsive behaviors. Tonight I'm going to a listening group which
covers Zorn-related music as well as other things, and last night I
picked out some things to bring. The trouble is, I can't remember what
some of them sound like! I'm playing some of them at work today so I
can appear knowledgeable to the group about the CDs I own. Fortunately
my nearby office partners are out of town for a couple of days. I'm not
sure they'd appreciate hearing what's on right now - Hex Kitchen, by
Ikue Mori.
- - Dave
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:09:26 +0200
From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Bacharach covers
There's also a lovely cover of "Walk On By" on the Lenny White album "Renderers
Of Spirit" (Hip Bop, 1997).
Kind regards,
- Chris.
---------------------------------------------
* Chris Genzel --- stamil@t-online.de *
* Homepage & Herbie Hancock discography at: *
* http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/ *
---------------------------------------------
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:38:19 -0700
From: Michael Howes <mhowes@best.com>
Subject: Re: where to get john wall ??????? Here your answer !!!!!!!
>> Also: what label is John Wall's FRACTUUR on, and is there an online
>> place for me to get hold of it?
>
>Dear Scott,
>A good distributor is
>
>http://www.manifoldrecords.com
>
>They sell all the john wall discs.
Hmm...I didn't see Fractuur in Manifolds catalog...the only place I know
of to
find Fractuur is...
http://www.state51.co.uk/motion/
I still can't believe I haven't sent my $$$ of to get it....it's been
months....
mike
mhowes@best.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:09:27 +0200
From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Celluloid
> Jeff Spirer wrote:
>
>>> indicated that the material was licensed from Charly, which stands to
>>> reason.
>>
>> Charly isn't the originator, however. They licensed it from The Music
>> Company, which owns the rights to Celluloid (along with Subharmonic) and
>> has done the licensing.
>
> Good grief. The question then remains... are any of the artists who made the
> music seeing any money whatsoever for the continued life of their own work?
> (I saw the Charly CD pressing of Zorn/Bailey/Lewis "Yankees" for the first time
> day before yesterday and wondered the same thing...) That you mention
> Subharmonic in the same sentence with the words "owns the rights to" makes me
> think the answer to my question is no...
Anton Fier once told me that all money from the Celluloid re-issues (or was
it the GoPals reissues..? I have to check) goes to Michael Beinhorn, but he
didn't say why. Jeff??
---------------------------------------------
* Chris Genzel --- stamil@t-online.de *
* Homepage & Herbie Hancock discography at: *
* http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/ *
---------------------------------------------
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:46:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Audino <psaudino@interaccess.com>
Subject: Jazzonia In Stock At CDNow
I swear I don't work for any of these places that I've been posting about
for the past few days! Just helping people track some of this shit
down...
CDNow (http://www.cdnow.com) lists Bill Laswell's _Jazzonia_ as currently
being in stock for $11.99.
Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat,
Paul
psaudino@interaccess.com
GROOVE
- ----------
One Nation
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:34:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: djp6@po.CWRU.Edu (David J. Polak)
Subject: Re: Fwd: collecting music
>
>I'd venture to guess they're (we're?) at least up to a 5 1/4 floppy by now - a
>used hand me down Atari most likely.....or maybe even.....a......Commodore!!!!
>
Hey, what's wrong with Commodores? I am using one right not to send this
message. There's nothing wrong with antiquated equipment.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:13:49 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: collecting masada
I am fascinated by the collections of others, especially those that are
massive, or at least have a focus and are completist to some degree.
(This aside from the simple pleasure of seeing something interesting
that I haven't heard and throwing it on.) And I myself have gotten the
bug now and then to head off in that completist direction for a
favorite artist -- but almost inevitably end up with material that is
disappointing and subsequently gathers dust while I play the "better"
stuff. And also, like other types of binges, it is often followed by a
certain emptiness -- and not just in the wallet.
These days, I take some risks but generally want to find material I
really dig to keep the collection (and home airwaves) fresh. I like
getting to the bottom of a musician's essence, but there's a point of
diminishing returns -- and there's too much beautiful music out there
to explore. Perhaps this is why, after jumping on the Zorn ship a dozen
years or so ago (Morricone, Spillane, News for Lulu, Naked City,
Torture Garden, Yankees, Sonny Clark etc etc) I've backed off in recent
times. In fact, I don't have a single Masada (hoping one will turn up
second hand but no such luck yet).
Which brings me to this simple question: If I were to pick up three
Masada's, which ones would you recommend?
(Forgive me for not taking note over the weeks which people dug most.
Also, obviously, used Masadas will be more likely to turn up if and
when the box is released, but I'm ready for some now.)
Thanks.
Completism strikes me as a fetish. I mean, wouldn't it be fun to
collect every version of Bird/Diz doing "Tunisia" at Carnegie Hall? ...
I'm glad to have Dean Benedetti's Bird recordings but I'd be just as
happy if I only had the better half of them....
- -
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