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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #468
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Zorn List Digest Monday, September 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 468
In this issue:
-
Bolan Tribute
Re: Masada Soundtrack
Re: masada 10; etc.
Re: NYC gigs inquiry (requested favor)
Re: NYC gigs inquiry (requested favor)
X Legged Sally / Peter Vermeersh / Dolfijtnjes
Sweetnighter Jazz in Philadelphia
Bacharach
Re: Masada 10/ Sonny Clark Mem'l/ new Zorn
Re: masada 10; etc.
buckethead / praxis info wanted
The Vandermark Five + Sterno & Ativin (fwd)
Re: avant snobs eat shit : )
Masade 10 / Box Set
Re: buckethead / praxis info wanted
new Golden Palominos compilation...
Re: Masada Box
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:11:42 -0400
From: Risser Family <risser@goodnews.net>
Subject: Bolan Tribute
I agree with Patrice (three digests ago).
Arto Lindsay and Marc Ribot are great, as is Mike Patton.
Also, I think Elysian Fields misses the rock, but maintains the sexy =
swing, which was a big part of Bolan's sound. Also, as goofy as it is, =
Trey Spruance's cut manages to catch a good portion.
So that's four from, what? eighteen or so? And some are REALLY bad. =
Rebecca Moore's foolish obliteration of Telegram Sam, Lo whatever's =
neo-New Age Cosmic Dancer, where she misses the words. And the Melvins, =
who used to have it, have really lost it.=20
i dunno. Some of the other covers are alright, but barely.
Basically a disappointment.
- -
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:59:11 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Masada Soundtrack
Rick Lopez wrote:
> Steve Smith wrote:
> >
> > Give me "The Ruling Class," "Man of La Mancha," "The
> > Stunt Man" and "My Favorite Year" instead, anytime.
>
> Or El Aurens! El Aurens!! and his trusty camel boys...
[WINCE!] How could I forget THAT one? Uff-da, as the Badger used to
say... :-P
> [And thanks *again* Steve!]
Right back atcha.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:31:26 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: masada 10; etc.
Charles Gillett wrote:
> However, Forced Exposure (www.forcedexposure.com) quotes the
> promotional material for Masada 10 as saying: [snip]
And as Forced Exposure reprints that promotional copy from the Koch release
book, I'd say it's extremely likely you're hearing it from the horse's mouth
by proxy.
> That's all I know. Zorn can always change his mind, I suppose.
Given that there have been two or three runs of live performances by Masada
since Zorn announced in public that Masada was finished (including this
coming weekend at Tonic), I'd say you're as likely right as wrong.
I haven't picked up Masada 10 just yet, but I did buy "Aporias" and "The
Bribe" (as well as "Spectrum" by Jega, a Mu-Ziq protege) and am suitably
impressed by all. "The Bribe" seems to me to be brimming with nostalgia,
and how weird is that?
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:47:22 -0300
From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Re: NYC gigs inquiry (requested favor)
Scott Handley wrote:
>
> what interesting stuff will be happening musically (esp.
> improvised music, jazz, etc) New York City from Sept 24-30?
Sam Rivers 75th Birthday celebration at Sweeeeet Basil's for the week.
Trio, ensembles, guest artists, RivBea Orchestra...
Tour link at Rivers Discography:
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/RIVERS.disc.html
get going,
RL
- --
Marilyn Crispell, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp, David S. Ware, and Reggie
Workman discographies; Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000
Things; Time Stops; etc., at--
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:27:21 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: NYC gigs inquiry (requested favor)
Scott Handley wrote:
> Sorry to waste bandwidth, but could anyone e.mail me privately and let
> me know what interesting stuff will be happening musically (esp.
> improvised music, jazz, etc) New York City from Sept 24-30? I thought I
> heard something about 2 nights of Masada record-release concerts.
This is what's at Tonic during the time you mention:
Thu, Sep 24 John Zorn's Masada ($10)
Fri, Sep 25 John Zorn's Masada ($10)
Sat, Sep 26 John Zorn's Masada ($10)
Sun, Sep 27 Freedy Johnston ($10)
Wed, Sep 30 Moran/Speed/Noriega ($6)
(Regarding the last of those, it's Matt Moran on wicked spunky vibraphone,
Chris Speed on genteel clarinet and Oscar Noriega on refined tenor saxophone
and bass clarinet, and they often play Webern.)
September 22-27 Sam Rivers celebrates his 75th birthday with a week at Sweet
Basil with his trio and an incredible all-star big band.
September 24-26 The Deep Listening Band has spent the last 10 years
exploring acoustic sound production in some rather unusual places. The group
- - Pauline Oliveros, accordionist, Stuart Dempster, trombonist, and
David Gamper, winds and electronics - has set up shop everywhere from a
cavernous cistern in Washington state to a lava cave in the Canary Islands.
Now the band kicks off a season-long celebration of its decade together with
an installation-performance, "Decade: Ten Years of Sonic Exploration," in
the vaulted marble arena of Columbia University's Low Library. The evening's
highlight is the LSI. No, it's not a psychedelic drug - it's a unique
100-foot-long string instrument that will be stretched across the library's
public space. Created by composer Ellen Fullman, the LSI is played by the
performers walking among the strings and bowing them with rosined fingers.
The resulting overtones produce an orchestral sound that will turn the
library itself into a giant instrument. (And this batch of performances is
for free, too!)
On Wednesday, September 30, you could either catch day one of the three-day
Bobby Previte career retrospective OR day one of Tim Berne's Big Satan with
special guest Herb Robertson, both happening simultaneously at the Knitting
Factory (Previte in the Main Space, Berne in the Old Office).
If you go to the Previte concert you'll hear the Bump the Renaissance Band
with Ray Anderson, Wayne Horvitz, and Marty Ehrlich; Empty Suits with Jerome
Harris and Allan Jaffe; Claude's Late Morning Band with Ray Anderson, Wayne
Horvitz, Guy Klucevsek, Jim Mussen, and Carol Emanuel. Yes, that's just one
night alone...
In other words, you've picked a pretty *sick* time to be in town. And in
addition to those things, I'd recommend checking out the website
http://www.NYToday.com which is an especially well-designed site run by the
New York Times, with maps and all. (I stole that Deep Listening Band blurb
from NYToday outright.)
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:28:07 +0200
From: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be>
Subject: X Legged Sally / Peter Vermeersh / Dolfijtnjes
> >From: nclaeys@unicall.be (nathalie claeys)
> >Subject: X-Legged Sally
> >>For those of you who like/love/hate X legged sally a load of info at
> the
> >>following (although it is outdated) site :
> >>www.reference.be/xls
> >
> >Sadly I missed this band when they did their gig here in Brugge. Isn't
> it
> >now on CD? With the title "Killed By Charity"?
Yes it is....great cd by the way
> >If I am correct Vermeersch now plays in a band called Dolfijntjes XL.
> And I
> >am not missing that concert, I hope...
Well, the answer is yes and no. Peter Vermeersh plays indeed in a band
called 'Dolfijntjes XL', but only for this tour. The 'dolfijntjes' exist
of two (to me unknown) keybord players, but for one occasion they went
more freaky. Peter Vermeersh joined on saxes and sampler, Nick Rosseew
(of Fukkeduk) plays bas sax and all sorts of percussion, also other
alumni of x leeged sally related bands help the 'dolfijntjes'.
But how about their show??? Well, you should definitely see it, it is a
mixture of playing music to silent movies, commercials,... and they play
weird covers (like abba, eurosongvision contests,....). Their record is
published by the cultural centre of Kortrijk.
But Peter Vermeersh has formed a new band (with Pierre Vervloessem also
from X leeged Sally) called 'A group'. Their mini-cd is out domestically
(it is on PIAS), but their full cd is out on a japanese label. What they
play: less freaky stuff than X legged sally, it's more melodic and it
sounds sometimes like 80's pop music... in a great way.
But hey, it is great to find out that we have quite a community of
Belgians on the zornlist...
- --
Stefan Verstraeten
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:58:55 -0400
From: Alan E Kayser <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Sweetnighter Jazz in Philadelphia
Sweetnighter Productions in Philadelphia will be presenting two shows in
October:
The Vandermark 5
Sunday, October 4, 4PM
Unitarian Church, 21st and Chestnut
Andy Laster's Hydra
Saturday, October 10, 9:30 & 11
Michael Taylor-Jon Madof Group late show
Ortleib's, 3rd & Poplar
For more information
http://home.att.net/~lankina/sweetnighter
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:32:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Gretz <KGGF@grove.iup.edu>
Subject: Bacharach
Dionne Warwicks are hands down the definitive versions because most of the
tunes were written FOR her. Even Bacharach's solo albums were recorded after
her versions were (and often without words).
Has anyone heard the McCoy Tyner Bacharach Album? It's on Impulse but i
haven't picked it up yet. I'm still trying to gather up all of the Joe Jackson
cd's so i'm not in the position for impulse (no pun intended) buys.
jeff
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:31:40 -0500
From: Eric Saidel <saidel@usl.edu>
Subject: Re: Masada 10/ Sonny Clark Mem'l/ new Zorn
I'm not sure I like playing this role, but I find myself in this position, so
I might as well live it up.
William York wrote:
> FINally, about the Masada review in Cadence, its not that I disagreed with
> it so much as that it criticized the CD conceptually, the before listening
> to it part, to a point that is
> rare in that magazine, something I'd expect from the Wire or something
> really lame like Spin. It seems to be part of a trend in that magazine of
> trashing Downtown related musicians (like Uri Caine as well). I mean, you
> don't see them criticizing people for playing 1957 style hard bop (or
> 1967 style free jazz).
I won't bother with the conceptual crit - I said all I have to say about that
the other day. Let me merely point out that the magazine does not trash
downtown related musicians. Not even Uri Caine. One bad review does not make
a trashing; I know for a fact that the last cd (before "Primal Light") of
Caine's to get reviewed in Cadence ("Toys") got a rave. I'm not sure how
there could be a magazine-wide policy of trashing certain musicians. The
reviewers just review cds. That's all. There's no effort from the editorial
staff to censor the reviews or to encourage negative reviews of certain cds.
There are lots of positive reviews of downtown musicians, just not these two
reviews (by the same reviewer, by the way). And I know that there are several
reviewers who are sympathetic to the downtown scene (I know this from reading
their reviews). At least two of them hang out here.
We might look to the behavior of the editorial staff itself to find a bias,
but there's evidence of just the opposite there: Joey Baron was on the cover
recently, Dave Douglas was a featured interview recently, and the Cadence
label has recorded downtown musicians recently.
Finally, there are plenty of reviews which trash musicians for doing yet
another album of hard bop.
> Trying to define what is REAL or AUTHENTIC is
> tricky and almost always reflects personal biases more than anything else,
> so i think of good reviewers as folks who stay away from this.
Yup. This is an excellent criterion, and an incredibly hard one to meet. For
what it's worth, I think Horn's reviews "trashing" Masada 9 and Primal Light
met it.
And Charles Gillett wrote:
> All in all, it's great if you like "Pocahontas"-style schlock (per
> Walter Horn in the recently-discussed Cadence slam-review of Masada 9).
> Thank goodness it's just my thing.
>
> Regarding Mr. Horn and his Masada review: I didn't like it, nor did
> I like his trashing of Uri Caine's Mahler disc, but then I rooted
> through my back issues and found that he just doesn't like any downtown
> NYC stuff.
That's not clear. His review implies that he likes Zorn's more radical
stuff. He also is very positive about Zorn's abilities as a player. (More
positive than I would be!)
> I don't know why he continues to review the albums, but I
> guess Cadence reviewers don't have a lot of control over what they get.
Bingo!
Enough blathering from me.
- - eric
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:44:31 EDT
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: Re: masada 10; etc.
In a message dated 98-09-21 02:27:31 EDT, you write:
<< from the horse's mouth by proxy >>
.....soon to be the title of the next Soul Asylum LP.....<G>
Dale.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:20:44 +0200
From: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be>
Subject: buckethead / praxis info wanted
Dear Zornies,
Some days ago, I found the existence of a praxis album called 'Live at
Warsaw Summer'.
It is a live Praxis Album, recorded at Sala Kongresowa, Warsaw, Poland
on june 29, 1996.
The label is Akwarium Concert Agency Jazz-a-gogo a-015. (It sounds like
a bootleg label, but it isn't)
Does anyone knows where to order this CD, or does someone want to sell a
copy??? As far as I found out, I think that the album is no longer in
print. So, dear zornies, if you owne this record, could you let me know
it please??? ThanXXXXXXX.
ps Yes indeed, Patrice and/or Jeff, do you know some inside story on
this one???
- --
Stefan Verstraeten
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:51:19 -0600
From: "Michael A. Piper" <mpiper@indiana.edu>
Subject: The Vandermark Five + Sterno & Ativin (fwd)
For anyone in the area, a great band:
>BEYOND THE PALE PRODUCTIONS and TDs CDs and LPs present:
>
>(From Chicago, Atavistic Recording Artists)
>THE VANDERMARK FIVE
>w/ STERNO & ATIVIN
>
>Friday, October 9, 1998
>Second Story, Bloomington, Indiana
>Tickets $6 ($5 in advance, available from TDs CDs and LPs)
>
>----------------------------------------------------------
>"One of the leading groups of Chicago's healthy jazz scene, the Vandermark
>Five positively kill from note one on this new album."
> -- Option
>
>"[The new album] *Target or Flag* picks up where *Single Piece Flow* left
>off, blurring distinctions between jazz and rock, without compromising the
>best elements of either form."
> -- Chicago Tribune
>
>"In most of the groups I play with there's a lot of radical shifting and
>changing. Almost on a constant basis. We're like really wired,
>coffee-drinking musicians."
> -- Ken Vandermark
>----------------------------------------------------------
>
>The Vandermark Five are a full-octane jazz quintet featuring Ken
>Vandermark, one of the key figures in Chicago's increasingly important
>creative jazz scene. Their infectious energy combines outside free
>playing, tight jazz arrangements, and strong grooves. Also on the bill are
>local improv trio Sterno (featuring members of the band M) and Bloomington
>faves Ativin.
>
>Beyond the Pale Productions is a local group of musicians, radio DJs, and
>fans; our goal is to bring creative, improvised, and/or experimental music
>to Bloomington. We hope this will be the first of many productions.
>
>For more information, contact:
>
>pale@nomadicweb.com
>http://php.indiana.edu/~shagraha/pale.html
>
Indiana University School of Library and Information Science
"Tu id inveni tibi...
quid videor -- bibliothecarius?"
The Official Henry Kaiser Website
http://php.indiana.edu/~mpiper/HKMain.html
"The best in comtemporary improvisation..."
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:28:29 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: avant snobs eat shit : )
There would have been another Prehistoric Caveman Ugga banging a stone.
>Where would it be without Prehistoric caveman Zog banging a small stone on a
>bigger one repeatedly and rhythmically?
>
>> > you cant? that IS funny. what would the downtown scene be without John
>> > Coltrane?
>> damn what would it be without Beethoven????
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:31:05 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Masade 10 / Box Set
Now that Masada 10 is out when can we expect the Box Sets on Tzadik to come
out? How long will Masada 10 have to 'settle' into the market?
Dan, just wondering and not expecting anyone to really know.
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:35:35 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: buckethead / praxis info wanted
At 05:20 PM 9/21/98 +0200, Stefan Verstraeten wrote:
>Dear Zornies,
>Some days ago, I found the existence of a praxis album called 'Live at
>Warsaw Summer'.
>It is a live Praxis Album, recorded at Sala Kongresowa, Warsaw, Poland
>on june 29, 1996.
>The label is Akwarium Concert Agency Jazz-a-gogo a-015. (It sounds like
>a bootleg label, but it isn't)
>
>Does anyone knows where to order this CD, or does someone want to sell a
>copy??? As far as I found out, I think that the album is no longer in
>print. So, dear zornies, if you owne this record, could you let me know
>it please??? ThanXXXXXXX.
It was distributed as part of a magazine promotion, never sold in stores.
It is very difficult to find, but there is a plan to release it as a
standard CD, possibly early next year.
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:41:28 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: new Golden Palominos compilation...
Just found the following compilation:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - THE BEST OF THE GOLDEN PALOMINOS (1983-1989): Golden Palominos
1997 (1998?) - Music Club (???), MCCD 316 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Does anybody has an idea when it came out? Also, what is the country?
Thanks,
Patrice (trying to close on the new Zorn discography release).
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:44:02 PDT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Masada Box
>Now that Masada 10 is out when can we expect the Box Sets on Tzadik to
come
>out?
Doubtless some among us have the scoop, but what Bruce Gallanter told me
once (in a qualified, speculative way, mind you---he wasn't implying he
KNEW anything) that it'd be a year from the time 10 hit the shelves.
I'm really happy now that all I got was ALEPH. In fact, I'm rolling in
the aisles.
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