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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #467
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, September 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 467
In this issue:
-
Raymond Scott
off topic things
Re: off topic things
Pharoah
Re: Klezmatics Q (kinda off-topic...)
Re: Bass Ensembles
Does Frisell play on The Bribe?
The Bribe
Re: avant snobs eat shit : )
Re: avant snobs eat shit : )
Re: the bribe
Re: masada 10; etc.
New release?
Re: New Release?
Re: masada 10; etc.
Re: avant snobs eat shit : )
Re: Bacharach covers
Re: Klezmatics Q (kinda off-topic...)
Re: Joe McPhee: A Likely Story
Re: avant snobs eat shit : )
Re: Bacharach covers
NYC gigs inquiry (requested favor)
still have...
discs all gone
Low down & Buckethead fashion
bass music
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:06:42 -0700
From: Joe Tait <tait@pdq.net>
Subject: Raymond Scott
Sort of off-topic, but figured someone would know....
I recently picked up the columbia reissue of Raymond Scott's "Reckless
Nights and Turkish Twilights" as well as "Sounds for Baby Vol.1" and was
wondering if there are any other releases of his in print (and what they
sound like), as well as how the other Sounds for Baby compare to the
first.
Thanks,
Joe
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:45:35 -0600
From: Chris Sundberg <shangomoons@geocities.com>
Subject: off topic things
i think it's kind of amusing that everytime i read a message from this=20
list, it says "off topic", and it says that for everything unless it's=20
directly about zorn. even if it's only related, it's "sorta off topic",=20
and it all came from a person having a problem with BJOERN asking for=20
info on STOMP. I know this is kind of late to add my comments about=20
this, but i know i didn't join this list to hear only about zorn, i=20
joined it to learn about experimental music. i just think it's really=20
stupid to have this problem because someone didn't like one of the=20
messages. ummm... ok... that's about it.
C=A7
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:58:10 -0700
From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?roau?=" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: off topic things
C=A7:
<<I just think it's really stupid to have this problem because someone
didn't like one of the
messages. ummm... ok... that's about it.>>
Geez. And now people are having a problem with the fact that people are
having problems. This is one self-conscious list!
=AE=86=AE
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:35:55 PDT
From: "Silent Watcher" <silent_watcher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pharoah
Does anyone know who played with Pharoah at the Knit this week (besides
William Henderson at the piano)? I couldn't understand him when he
introduced the band.
Thanks,
DB
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:00:40 +1000
From: Peter Hollo <raven@fourplay.com.au>
Subject: Re: Klezmatics Q (kinda off-topic...)
I really love "Rythm + Jews" - I've actually been listening to it a lot
recently. Certainly a lot more straight than the Zorn versions of
klezmer, but modern nonetheless. What with David Krakauer on clarinet
and Frank London on trumpet, how could it go wrong?
Peter.
- --
Peter Hollo raven@fourplay.com.au http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html
FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet
http://www.fourplay.com.au
"Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and
your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag.
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:38:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: RroseEndora <aanirecs@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Bass Ensembles
> There's a groovy little disc of Barre Philips and Barry Guy on
> Maya.
just witnessed barre in a quartet setting (/w pauline
oliveros - accordion, dana reason - piano,
philip gelb - shakuhachi) at the CNMAT (berkeley).
total group improvisations to occasional duets.
interesting moments include dana's cowell/taylor
derived piano playing and barre's fiddle 'fly-swatting'
antics.
- -pin
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:45:54 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@silesia.top.pl>
Subject: Does Frisell play on The Bribe?
Hi philozorners!
I have a question releted to "The Bribe". This is what I know: "Written
a few months after the session that created one of Zorn's most
influential compositional masterpieces, Spillane, The Bribe is a major
new discovery in the Zorn oeuvre. Recorded in the same style as
Spillane, with the same engineer, and very close to
the same ensemble..."
Can anybody check if Bill Frisell plays on this record also? I going to
buy it anyway, but I'm sure many of you are faster than me... :-)
Patrice?
Thanks!
__________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak [arno@silesia.top.DEATHTOSPAMMERS.pl]
www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell
- -
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 04:53:52 -0500
From: Craig Rath <fripp@ibm.net>
Subject: The Bribe
Artur Nowak asked:
>Can anybody check if Bill Frisell plays on this record [The Bribe] also?
>I going to buy it anyway, but I'm sure many of you are faster than me...
Just picked it up tonight - the musicians are:
Marty Ehrlich - Reeds
John Zorn - Alto Sax
Jim Staley - Trombone
Zeena Parkins - Harp
Robert Quine - Guitar
Anthony Coleman - Piano
Wayne Horvitz - Organ
Christian Marclay - Turntables
David Hofstra - Bass
Bobby Previte - Percussion
Special guests:
Reck - rhythm guitar
Carol Emanuel - harp
Ikue Mori - drum machines
So, in answer to your question: no Frisell does not play on it, but the
lineup looks great, me being a Robert Quine fan and all.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:28:22 +0200 (MEST)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: Re: avant snobs eat shit : )
> > no matter if it was about the coolest r'n'b records or the best coltrane
> > records (funny enough that noone mentioned that coltrane is off-topic as
> > well....at least i cannot see what he has to do with zorn and the downtown
> > scene)
> you cant? that IS funny. what would the downtown scene be without John
> Coltrane?
damn what would it be without Beethoven????
BJOERN
- -
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:12:50 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: avant snobs eat shit : )
At 05:28 PM 9/20/98 +0200, BJOERN wrote:
>damn what would it be without Beethoven????
Broke.
(It's a pun.)
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:52:01 +0000
From: "gschwend d. atelier" <gda@pingnet.li>
Subject: Re: the bribe
BJOERN wrote:
>
> well,
> maybe i missed the reviews for these CDs...
> if not maybe someone should send em .. hmmm??
>
> BJOERN
>
> -
as it says in the press text on the tzadik website, "the bribe" was
written & recorded around the same time as "spillane". (with an almost
identical line-up.)
this becomes very obvious even on the first listen to "the bribe".
little parts here and there are (almost) identical with stuff off
"spillane".
but since a lot of people - including myself - sometimes like listening
to "new" music that reminds them of music they already know (and are
into), i can recommend "the bribe" to anyone who likes "spillane".
patRice
- -
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:40:17 +0000
From: "gschwend d. atelier" <gda@pingnet.li>
Subject: Re: masada 10; etc.
Charles Gillett wrote:
>
> The last track, apparently the last studio Masada track we'll
===============================================
hear,
what's the story behind this? did you hear this form reliable sources?
thanks for your reply in advance!
patRice
- -
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1988 11:27:55 -0600
From: Barry Gilbert <barry.gilbert@internetmci.com>
Subject: New release?
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I recently saw a new release from JZ called Vol1: Music Romance, Music For.
. .
on Tzadik scheduled for release October 10th. Any idea what this is about?
Barry Gilbert
Boulder, Colorado
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Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
<html>
I recently saw a new release from JZ called <i>Vol1: Music Romance, Music
For. . . </i>on Tzadik scheduled for release October 10th. Any idea what
this is about?<br>
<div>Barry Gilbert</div>
Boulder, Colorado
</html>
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- -
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1988 11:34:43 -0600
From: Barry Gilbert <barry.gilbert@internetmci.com>
Subject: Re: New Release?
15 seconds after my previous message, I found the following on the Tzadik
site:
JOHN ZORN: MUSIC ROMANCE VOL. 1; MUSIC FOR CHILDREN Music For Children is
the first in a series of quirky collections that show Zorn's compositional
genius at its most eclectic. 3 short never-heard-before Naked City
compositions (written at the time of Torture Garden) performed by Zorn with
the scorching Boston-based band Prelapse; a 20-minute electro-acoustic
excursion for 3 wind machines and 2 controlled feedback systems dedicated
to Edgar Varese, and a virtuosic classical chamber piece for violin,
percussion and piano brilliantly performed by the award-winning
Abel-Steinberg-Winant Trio. These are framed by a poly-rhythmic etude for
percussion and celeste and a charming nostalgic lullaby for music box. As
one would expect, Zorn's vision of childhood is unlike anyone else's and
Music For Children is one of his most provocative recordings.
I also found this (I though Frith mentioned that Zorn would be on this!):
MASSACRE: FUNNY VALENTINE A legendary meeting of three contemporary
masters: Fred Frith - guitar, Bill Laswell - bass, Charles Hayward - drums.
From Material, Arcana and Praxis, Henry Cow, Skeleton Crew, Keep The Dog
and This Heat, these three geniuses have been involved in some of the
greatest underground bands of the past several decades. Collaborating
together for the first time, this is a dream project that takes the classic
rock trio format to never-before-explored territories. An important
document of improvisational rock at its most convulsive.
Barry Gilbert
Boulder, Colorado
- -
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:18:16 +0000
From: "Charles Gillett" <gill0042@tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: masada 10; etc.
you wrote:
> Charles Gillett wrote:
> > The last track, apparently the last studio Masada track we'll
> ===============================================
> > hear,
>
> what's the story behind this? did you hear this form reliable sources?
Well, it's been the rumor for some time--nothing really official,
just people on rec.music.bluenote saying that they talked to Zorn or
Douglas or whoever after a Masada show and it being passed along that
10 would be the last.
However, Forced Exposure (www.forcedexposure.com) quotes the
promotional material for Masada 10 as saying:
"The final installment of one of the most popular and provocative series
in all of modern music! John Zorn's Masada music is an extraordinary
blend of up-to-the-minute improvisation and an ongoing sense of Jewish
history and artistic expression. Masada 10 will be the last in this
historic series of studio recordings."
That's all I know. Zorn can always change his mind, I suppose.
- -- Charles
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:28:05 -0700 (MST)
From: Corey Marc Fogel <mecorey@imap3.asu.edu>
Subject: Re: avant snobs eat shit : )
On Sun, 20 Sep 1998, BJOERN wrote:
> > > scene)
> > you cant? that IS funny. what would the downtown scene be without John
> > Coltrane?
> damn what would it be without Beethoven????
it would be nothing.
John Coltrane just happens to be closer to Zorn/NY Artists chronologically,
so the connection might seem apparent to most ears.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:42:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: Bacharach covers
> Both Aretha Franklin and Rahsaan Roland Kirk did great although entirely
> different versions of "I Say a Little Prayer". Kirk's version(s) have
> quotes from Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" as well as Chopin's "Polonaise in
> (something) flat", I think its A-flat. Kirk also did "Alfie" which wasn't
> as good as "I Say a Little Prayer", I don't think.
>
> Sonny Rollins did an LP based on "Alfie" the movie, haven't heard that.
>
> Oh yeah, Isaac Hayes has an awesome long version of "Walk on By" on his
> _Hot Buttered Soul_ album - Way over the top.
>
> But I think Dionne Warwick's are considered the definitive versions, you
> can find them on used vinyl anywhere. I found Bacharach's _Take it Easy
> on Yourself_ for 25 cents a few months ago, its been worth every penny.
> Great stuff.
>
> WY
> >
> hi,
> > well since i found some nice bacharach related stuff on the flea market
> > today i wanted to ask what other people than the following ones did good
> > versions of bacharach tunes :
> >
> > dionne warwick
> > b.j. thomas
> > carpenters
> > herb alpert
> > walker brothers
> > tom jones
> > engelbert
> > john zorn and his downtown dudes
> >
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 11:52:18 -0400
From: Alan Lankin <lankina@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Klezmatics Q (kinda off-topic...)
"Rhythm & Jews" is a good CD (as are their others).
BTW, they'll be appearing in concert in Philadelphia on Sunday, October
4th.
- --
Alan Lankin
http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:32:50 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Joe McPhee: A Likely Story
> Joe McPhee
> w/Rosi Hertlein (violin), Monica Wilson (cello), Dominic Duval
> (bass) and Joe Giardullo (reeds--he plays a mean bass clarinet!)
Did anyone else see McPhee's Wind & String Ensemble at the Fire In The
Valley this year? I thought they were horrible but was wondering if
anyone else had other thoughts.
-Tom Pratt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:10:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: avant snobs eat shit : )
Where would it be without Prehistoric caveman Zog banging a small stone on a
bigger one repeatedly and rhythmically?
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Sun, 20 Sep 1998, BJOERN wrote:
> > > no matter if it was about the coolest r'n'b records or the best coltrane
> > > records (funny enough that noone mentioned that coltrane is off-topic as
> > > well....at least i cannot see what he has to do with zorn and the downtown
> > > scene)
> > you cant? that IS funny. what would the downtown scene be without John
> > Coltrane?
> damn what would it be without Beethoven????
>
> BJOERN
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:17:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Bacharach covers
Rollins didn't just "do an LP based on the movie Alfie". Except for the pop
hits, he composed the entire score and the soundtrack for the movie.
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Sun, 20 Sep 1998, William York wrote:
> > Both Aretha Franklin and Rahsaan Roland Kirk did great although entirely
> > different versions of "I Say a Little Prayer". Kirk's version(s) have
> > quotes from Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" as well as Chopin's "Polonaise in
> > (something) flat", I think its A-flat. Kirk also did "Alfie" which wasn't
> > as good as "I Say a Little Prayer", I don't think.
> >
> > Sonny Rollins did an LP based on "Alfie" the movie, haven't heard that.
> >
> > Oh yeah, Isaac Hayes has an awesome long version of "Walk on By" on his
> > _Hot Buttered Soul_ album - Way over the top.
> >
> > But I think Dionne Warwick's are considered the definitive versions, you
> > can find them on used vinyl anywhere. I found Bacharach's _Take it Easy
> > on Yourself_ for 25 cents a few months ago, its been worth every penny.
> > Great stuff.
> >
> > WY
> > >
> > hi,
> > > well since i found some nice bacharach related stuff on the flea market
> > > today i wanted to ask what other people than the following ones did good
> > > versions of bacharach tunes :
> > >
> > > dionne warwick
> > > b.j. thomas
> > > carpenters
> > > herb alpert
> > > walker brothers
> > > tom jones
> > > engelbert
> > > john zorn and his downtown dudes
> > >
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:02:01 PDT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: NYC gigs inquiry (requested favor)
Sorry to waste bandwidth, but could anyone e.mail me privately and let
me know what interesting stuff will be happening musically (esp.
improvised music, jazz, etc) New York City from Sept 24-30? I thought I
heard something about 2 nights of Masada record-release concerts.
Thanks much in advance,
Scott Handley
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:19:49 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: still have...
I still have three CD's for sale ($10 each).
Ned Rothenberg Double Band - Real & Imagined Time (Moers)
Rothenberg w/Thomas Chapin, Jerome Harris, Chris Wood, Jim Black
& Billy Martin.
Henry Kaiser - Lemon Fish Tweezer (Cuneiform)
A history of solo guitar improvisations.
John Zorn - The Big Gundown (Nonesuch/Icon)
Zorn's take on the music of Ennio Morricone.
Let me know if you're interested.
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:39:07 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: discs all gone
All the discs have been sold.
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:55:35 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: Low down & Buckethead fashion
Highly recommend Henry Threadgill's X-75 Vol. 1 (I don't know of
additional volumes), recorded 1979 -- don't know if it ever came out on
CD, haven't seen it anyway. 4 basses (including piccolo bass), 4 flutes
(including bass flute), amina claudine myers on vocals mostly.... Bob
Stewart has a four-tuba CD that came out a few months ago -- the cut I
heard on KLON (Long Beach) cooked. And reminded me of the live
four-tuba Taj Mahal album from the '70s, The Real Thing (CBS?), which
is swangin'....
Praxis' visit to Solana Beach last Thursday attracted an interesting
crowd (overheard, "He's weird but not in a normal way.'' -- about some
mutual acquaintence.) No suprises, altho I can't help but remark on
B-head's chops. And his KFC bucket. DJ was a bit tedious at moments but
a fun time was generally had by all (regardless of the somewhat grim
expressions of band members).....
- -
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:44:27 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: bass music
Has anyone checked out the Ensemble Sondarc disc on For 4 Ears? The
ensemble consists of just six double basses and looked interesting
enough...
-Tom Pratt
- -
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