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Zorn List Digest     Saturday, September 19 1998     Volume 02 : Number 466



In this issue:
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       Suspended Music in NYC
       Re: don cherry & penderecki
       Re: Berne/Formanek/Bass instruments
       Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #465
       squarepusher
       Re: Braxton
       ganryu island
       Re: Bass Ensembles
       Re: Bass Ensembles
       Bacharach versions
       VINYL/CD Sale (many additions) ...
       Re: avant snobs eat shit  : )
       Re: Bass Ensembles
       What's with Forced Exposure???
       Re: Berne/Formanek/Bass instruments
       Re: Trumbauer
       Re: Berne/Formanek/Bass instruments
       Re: Klezmatics Q (kinda off-topic...)

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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 07:57:05 -0800
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Suspended Music in NYC

I want to announce a free concert by Deep Listening Band with Ellen
Fullman's Long String Instrument in NYC Thursday-Saturday Sept 24-26 at
8:00PM in the rotunda of the Low Library Building at Columbia University.
Music by Stuart Dempster, Ellen Fullman, Paul D Miller, & Pauline Oliveros.

This is a rare opportunity to see and hear Fullman's (100 foot) Long String
Instrument.  My understanding is that Miller has collaged a work from
previous Deep Listening Band recordings.

I'll be around for the shows and it would be nice to see some of you face
to face, so if you have the time be sure to say hi.

Bests,

Herb


Herb Levy
[e-mail]



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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 07:57:05 -0800
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: don cherry & penderecki

Caleb T. Deupree wrote:

>I seem to remember people with fond memories of a Don Cherry and
>Penderecki collaboration from the early 1970s.  Just received an
>update from Forced Exposure which contains this:
>
>CHERRY, DON/PENDERECKI, KRZYSZOTOF: Actions -- The New Eternal Rhythm
>Orchestra CD (DEC 08). "Out of print on LP since 1973. This is the
>ultimate free jazz and avant classical merger, which was also a major,
>defining influence on cosmic rockers like Gong, Henry Cow, etc. With
>cover art never previously released in the US (taken from the superior
>Japanese Phillips issue rather than the US Everest LP) and original
>lengthy liner notes (including an interview with Penderecki)."
>Recorded Live at the Donaueschingen Music Festival, 10/17/71. Includes
>three live performances, including the legendary "Actions for Free
>Jazz Orchestra," conducted by avant garde composer Krzysztof
>Penderecki.  Players include: Manfred Schoof, Kenny Wheeler, Tomasz
>Stanko, Paul Rutherford, Albert Mangelsdorff, Gerd Dudek, Peter
>Br=96tzmann, William Breuker, Gunter Hampel, Fred van Hove, Terje
>Rypdal & Han Bennink.
>
>Is this the one?  Is it as interesting as it looks?  Or am I
>misremembering previous threads again?

I don't remember seeing a discussion of this here, but I've heard the
album.  It's NOT a collaboration between Cherry & Penderecki.  They have
separate pieces for what's basically the same ensemble (there may be a few
personnel changes).  The music's interesting, but don't expect any big
surprises.


&, for Steve Smith: sopranos & tenors are Bb; altos & baritones are Eb.


Herb Levy
[e-mail]



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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 07:29:12 -0700
From: "schwitterZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Berne/Formanek/Bass instruments

<<Speaking of saxophones, it was great to hear Tim Berne play so much bari
sax at the recent Victoria, BC concert with Michael Formanek.>>

Rare Southern California appearance this Monday:
9/21

New Music Monday Special Event

Miya Masaoka / G.E. Stinson
The amazing electronic koto player who recently debuted at NMM with Fred
Frith returns to collaborate with the noisy and very electric guitar of Mr.
Stinson. 8:30 p.m.

Tim Berne / Michael Formanek
Finally after all these years the astonishing alto saxophonist who is now
one of the most acclaimed avant-garde jazz musicians in Europe and New York
returns with bassist Formanek (a world class musician as well) for this very
special concert. 9:45 p.m.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----
New Music Mondays is at...
LUNA PARK
665 N. Robertson(Between Melrose & Santa Monica)
[phone]
New Music Monday Website:
www.endless.com/nmm/
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----



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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:27:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ethan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #465

the chaos a.d. stuff was recorded before "feed me weird things" & it's
much more on the primitive electro end of things.  the chaos a.d. remix ep
has a squarepusher mix that sounds more like big loada.  I'm tempted to
pick up the chaos a.d. record (except it's a double LP import for
something like $23) as big loada and the vic acid ep are my two favorite
records of his thus far.  next album "music is rotted one note"
supposedly eschews the manic drum programming for mostly live
instrumentation.  I think it's out at oct 12.  the realaudio bit at
www.warp-net.com does sound sort of like bitches brew.

ethan


> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:15:43 +1000 (EST)
> From: Aaron Chee-Kean Chua <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: Squarepusher
>
> hi people,
>  this might be old news...but i just saw a new cd by "squarepusher" going
> under a different name while browsing in "synathaesia" today.(great new
> place to shop in melbourne, btw. ) tom jenkinson is apparently "chaos
> a.d."  didn't listen closely but sounded slightly different to his other
> albums going by first impressions.
>
> regards
> aaron


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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:20:41 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: squarepusher

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Ethan
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 1998 8:28 AM
>
> big loada and the vic acid ep are my two favorite
> records of his thus far.

I agree. "Big Loada" is just one pure rush of drill-and-bass joy. =) I could
never really get into all the fusion-y bass noodlings of "Hard Normal
Daddy," although it's probably the album that edgier jazz fans should listen
to first.

>  next album "music is rotted one note"
> supposedly eschews the manic drum programming for mostly live
> instrumentation.  I think it's out at oct 12.  the realaudio bit at
> www.warp-net.com does sound sort of like bitches brew.

The way some folks on the newsgroups describe it (actually, just the
(in)famous Persi, for those of you who follow Usenet), the new Squarepusher
album will be shaking up the "electronica" world just as much as "Bitches
Brew" did jazz. In any case I'm really looking forward to it.

ObZorn: well, I went ahead and ordered "Aporias."

Later,
Ben

np: thomas koner, "serac"

http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406


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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:29:29 -0700
From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Braxton

> That's my theory and I'm sticking to it, even if I'm full of shit.  Can anyone
> quote offhand the pitch of the soprano and baritone, the other two most common
> saxes?

soprano-B flat
baritone- E flat
which is why you see many tenor players double on the former, and alto
players on the latter.

> But as long as school bands are tuned to concert B-flat, the hegemony of the
> B-flat tenor and E-flat alto are pretty firm. In the orchestra, which tunes to
> concert A, the saxophone remains rare in general.

I'm not so sure about your logic here. are you suggesting something
about the intrinsic intonation of reed instruments? when a saxophone is
referred to as a B-flat instrument, what that means is that when the
player reads and plays a C on the instrument, the note that's actually
produced is a 'concert'  B -flat, a C# would produce a concert B, and so
on. This is in order to maintain a consistent fingering for all the
instruments of a family. Now it probably also means that each saxophone
has it's more appropriate just intonation keys, but those questions
don't seem to be commonly addressed in either school bands or in
orchestras. Saying that an orchestra tunes to concert A, doesn't mean
that an alto saxophonist would have to tune his E-flat down to A. Most
people nowadays tune to concert A= 440Hz. an alto saxophonist could tune
by playing an F#, which produces concert A and tuning that note to
440Hz, just as easily as a C trumpet could play A, which produces a
concert A and tune that note to 440Hz.

- --



[e-mail]
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba

I don't wake up for less than $10,000 a day.
(L. Evangelista)

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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 12:24:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: ganryu island

I personally liked Ganryu Island, I know this is a sort of naive thing to say,
but it was sort of nice to hear Zorn's sax tricks in context. I actually liked
the sound of the shamisen, and occasionally Sato would be playing these
oriental blues sounding riffs, which I thought sounded really cool. I think
that there is room to work with this album, like a drummer would probably have
made a big difference, but I have no problems with this album itself. I
reccomend it, but I'd probaly reccomend the Bribe over it.

from,
matt

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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 12:28:07 -0400
From: Sean Terwilliger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bass Ensembles

Jamaaladeen Tacuma has a Bass Chamber Orchestra CD out on Moers.

- -Sean

Brian Olewnick wrote:

> cd wrote:
>
> > Any recommendations for recordings that feature ensembles of bass
> > instruments?
>
> While there are many, of course (anyone remember Peter Warren's one-off
> group 'Bass Is'?), the low-down bassest group I can think of appeared on
> one track of Roscoe Mitchell's "Four Compositions" (Lovely Music LCD
> 2021). The piece features Roscoe on bass saxophone, the late Gerald
> Oshita on contrabass sarrusophone (a kind of mega-bassoon) and Brian
> Smith on the triple contrabass viol, a string bass which, to judge by
> the photo, is about ten feet all and must be played standing on a riser!
> Oh, and Tom Buckner sings, which I could do without. Smith,
> incidentally, did have a working band in the late 70's called the (NY?)
> Bass Violin Choir, which included four basses (one was Fred Hopkins)
> w/percussion; don't think they ever recorded.
>
> Brian Olewnick
>
> -




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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:06:12 -0500
From: nils <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bass Ensembles

> Any recommendations for recordings that feature ensembles of bass
> instruments?

There's a groovy little disc of Barre Philips and Barry Guy on
Maya.  Out improv duets in a church.  Heavy stuff.  Can't
remember the title, sorry, but it's definitely worth getting your
hands on.

The Zorn-related things worth hearing are of course Dark
River on Redbird (solo bass drum, but it might as well be
an ensemble), and there's also a very deep bassy track on
Absinthe.

hasta
n


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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:29:26 +0200 (MEST)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bacharach versions

hi,
well since i found some nice bacharach related stuff on the flea market
today i wanted to ask what other people than the following ones did good
versions of bacharach tunes :

dionne warwick
b.j. thomas
carpenters
herb alpert
walker brothers
tom jones
engelbert
john zorn and his downtown dudes

BJOERN

ps: if that is off-topic send answers privately...well fuck, do what u
want


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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 04:49:26 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: VINYL/CD Sale (many additions) ...

Hi,

I've just added a bunch of new items (50 or so) to my
vinyl/CD sale list. They can be found (along with
basic info) at the following website:

http://www.astro.utoronto.ca/~carey/sofa/sale.html

If you are browser challenged, I can email you the list.
Just let me know.

The new stuff includes, among other things ... _lots_ of
Haters, Merzbow, Gerogerigegege, C.C.C.C., Bass Army,
Morphogenesis, Pan(a)sonic, =F8 (Mika Vainio), Porter Ricks,
Laswell, Inoue, Witchman, Godflesh, T.A.G.C, Gastr Del Sol,
Oval, Tortoise, Aube, Megaptera, Microstoria etc. etc.

Thanks for looking.


- -Patrick
[e-mail]


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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:02:42 -0700 (MST)
From: Corey Marc Fogel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: avant snobs eat shit  : )

On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, BJOERN wrote:

> no matter if it was about the coolest r'n'b records or the best coltrane
> records (funny enough that noone mentioned that coltrane is off-topic as
> well....at least i cannot see what he has to do with zorn and the downtown
> scene)

you cant? that IS funny. what would the downtown scene be without John
Coltrane?

> in my opinion zorn is one of the musicians who took alot of influences
> from mainstream music.

i would venture to say that any intelligent musician is going to draw from an
extremely wide variety of influences. its just necessary. i dont think that
any of them are in this mind frame that they are the "avant garde" or that
they only want to play the "avant garde". a good number of them come from
extremely "conventional" musical backgrounds. to quote Jim Black,

    "You can say we're all in this underground improvisational music
    scene, but it's really hard to put a moniker on it. It's a massive
    cross-community influence. These people are open to anything, whether
     it's classical country, rock, pop, drum n' bass, techno--anything."

so this notion of things that our parents like and things that are
"mainstream" and "not mainstream" and things that may or may not be deemed
"related" to John Zorn....is ridiculous. we like music. the end.  there's
something to be said about people with the same musical ideals talking about a
number of different artists. i dont think having an album on Avant or Tzadik
or KF is reasonable criteria for EVERY SINGLE topic.


making specific requests about motown or something similar, now that may be
considered a stretch.


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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:37:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: Saidel Eric J <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bass Ensembles

According to Brian Olewnick:
>
> cd wrote:
>
> > Any recommendations for recordings that feature ensembles of bass
> > instruments?
>
> While there are many, of course (anyone remember Peter Warren's one-off
> group 'Bass Is'?), the low-down bassest group I can think of appeared on
> one track of Roscoe Mitchell's "Four Compositions" (Lovely Music LCD
> 2021). The piece features Roscoe on bass saxophone, the late Gerald
> Oshita on contrabass sarrusophone (a kind of mega-bassoon) and Brian
> Smith on the triple contrabass viol, a string bass which, to judge by
> the photo, is about ten feet all and must be played standing on a riser!
> Oh, and Tom Buckner sings, which I could do without. Smith,
> incidentally, did have a working band in the late 70's called the (NY?)
> Bass Violin Choir, which included four basses (one was Fred Hopkins)
> w/percussion; don't think they ever recorded.

There was the World Bass Violin Choir, which did record - they have
a record on Black Saint or Soul Note, I believe.  I'm not sure
who's in the group.

There's also a piece on Threadgill's X-75 (or whatever it's called)
for several bassists.

I think there's a Dominic Duval record for two bassists.

- - eric



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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:35:22 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Adam MacGregor)
Subject: What's with Forced Exposure???

Hey folks,

I tried ordering a couple of discs from FE about three months ago, and I
have yet to recieve anything from them....I wasn;t even billed, and when I
inquired via email, I got no reply.

Anybody know if they are having problems with online ordering?

thanks,

- --Adam


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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:55:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Berne/Formanek/Bass instruments

If you're interesting in something really weird and "low down" (pun
intended) check out a disk on Bvahaast called Intermission. It features
three bassists, two of whom are William Parker and Wilbert de Joode, plus a
bass saxophonist playing improvised music in a quartet setting. Also
disks featuring tuba meisters Howard Johnson and especially Bob Stewart
are fine as well.

How low can you go?

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]



On Sat, 19 Sep 1998, cd wrote:

> Speaking of saxophones, it was great to hear Tim Berne play so much bari
> sax at the recent Victoria, BC concert with Michael Formanek.  Instead
> of playing mostly alto in an effort to stay out of the way of the bass
> as many players would feel obliged to do, Berne and Formanek explored
> and developed the unique textures that can be obtained by two
> bass/contrabass instruments (though not necessarily limited to the lower
> range of the instruments).  Not that Berne denied the audience the
> pleasure of his alto playing - plenty of this too.
> Thanks to Mike et al. for organizing the show...
>
> Any recommendations for recordings that feature ensembles of bass
> instruments?
>
> -cd
>
> -
>
>

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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:51:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Trumbauer

Trumbauer's other claim to fame by osmosis was the fact that his
recording of "Singing The Blues" and other work influenced Lester "The
Pres" Young to forge a new saxophone style much different than the heavy
sound of Coleman Hawkins.

Young, of course, went on to influence a clutch of other saxophonists in
jazz, most prominently Stan Getz, Zoot Sims, Al Cohn, Brew Moore etc. and
in jazz/soul Gene Ammons etc.

The Trumbauer influence may also be the first recorded example of a
prominent black jazz explorer having a white model, rather than vice versa.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]



On Sat, 19 Sep 1998, Steve Smith wrote:
>

 > remember reading about it as being "not a real>
> About the only figure in jazz history famous for playing the C-melody sax is
> Frankie Trumbauer, and he's mainly famous for having employed cornetist Bix
> Beiderbecke... take it from there.






>
>

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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:12:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Berne/Formanek/Bass instruments

Formanek has a solo disc on
Berne's Screwgun label that beats the
crap out of all notions you ever had
before.

i think someone else already mentioned it,
but the Barre Phillips vs. Motoharu Yoshizawa
disc "Uzu" on PSF is phenominal in its
own right.

hasta.

> > Any recommendations for recordings that feature ensembles of bass
> > instruments?


Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:56:11 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Klezmatics Q (kinda off-topic...)

In a message dated 9/18/98 7:32:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:21:03 EDT  [e-mail] wrote:
 >
 > I have a chance to pick up a couple of Klezmatics CDs on the Flying Fish
label
 > for a cheap price.  Just wondering if anyone has heard any of this material
 > and if it is worth picking up.

 The only Klezmatics I know on this label is:

 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -

 *** - RHYTHM + JEWS:  The Klezmatics

     1992 - Flying Fish (USA), FF 70591 (CD) >>

You're correct.  They had the above CD plus another one on Flying Fish by
another group I was unfamiliar with.  I went ahead and grabbed the Klezmatics
CD, BTW...

=dgasque=

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