home
***
CD-ROM
|
disk
|
FTP
|
other
***
search
/
ftp.xmission.com
/
2014.06.ftp.xmission.com.tar
/
ftp.xmission.com
/
pub
/
lists
/
zorn-list
/
archive
/
v02.n462
< prev
next >
Wrap
Internet Message Format
|
1998-09-17
|
21KB
From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #462
Reply-To: zorn-list
Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Precedence: bulk
Zorn List Digest Friday, September 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 462
In this issue:
-
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #461
Re: Enjoy (Braxton) 1998
Re: any idea about this record?
Re: stuff our parents might enjoy
Re:Braxton
UMD Stockhausen Concert on Saturday, Sept 19
please stop: solution
Re: Enjoy (Braxton) 1998
Re: Masada Soundtrack
Re: stuff our parents might enjoy
Re: please stop
Re: please stop: solution
Stomp's indebtedness
Off topic, Squarepusher
Issues from Zorn List Digest V2 #461
masada 10
Hail Off topic
Masada
Re: Masada
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:36:14 -0500
From: Don Byrd <dbyrd1@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #461
Someone wrote:
>You are missing the tragic dimension of the problem. If we do not do anything
>against such posts (talking about somewhat mainstream music), we might end up
>to talk on the Zorn list about people that our parents might enjoy!!! Aren't
>you scared by such a possibility?
hell's bells, I am your parents. I started looking for weird sounding music
before most of you were born. I was blown away by Coleman's Free Jazz (I was 16)
and some time thereafter I heard a little John Cage (very hard to get hold of that
time, especially in the boondocks where I lived), but now finding good weird music
is easy.You have net lists telling you all about it. There are entire stores
devoted to it. The difficulty is finding some thing on radio that is really good;
this is a real test of one's taste. Are you willing to pick some thing out of the
schlock and play it for your avant-garde friends. Surely there is something out
there worth listening too. The last time I tried this, some years ago, I found that
there was mebbe one thing in twenty-five on good country music stations that had
some true musical buzz... Are you interested in good music or are you interested in
chic?
or defining your identity with your taste?
How do I make those cute smiley guys.
db
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:53:45 -0700
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: Enjoy (Braxton) 1998
> > Anyone know why he seems to avoid the Tenor Sax?
>
> I've seen him play it live on a few occasions, but the only recorded
> example I can think of (there are probably others) is on the "Six
> Compositions: Quartet" release on Antilles from 1981 w/A. Davis, Helias
> and Blackwell. Guess he eschews the lower reed group unless they're WAY
> low!
there's the cd he recorded with Rova (The Aggregate) where he plays
contrabass, bass, baritone, tenor, alto, soprano, and sopranino saxes
all on the same piece!!
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
I don't wake up for less than $10,000 a day.
(L. Evangelista)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:33:40 -0400
From: stephen drury <stevedrury@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: any idea about this record?
At 10:04 AM 9/17/98 -0600, you wrote:
> Does anybody know the following record?
>*** - HELLO POP TART: Tomoko Mukaiyama
> Plays Cowell to Zorn.
>
> Tomoko Mukaiyama: keyboards.
>
> 1998 (?) - BVHaast (Holland), BVH 9801 (CD)
> Patrice.
>
The Zorn piece is fragment XIV from "Sebastapol" (an unrecorded game piece),
later retitled "Dead Ringer". It's about 2 minutes long. Tomoko's an
excellent pianist who made a film with Louis Andriessen and has been playing
with Rzewski lately (and studied with me for a summer). The CD also
includes my edition of Charles Ives' "Celestial Railroad".
Has anybody seen/heard Steffen Schleiermacher's recording of "Carny"?
- --- steve
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:45:48 -0400
From: Dan Given <dlgiven@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: stuff our parents might enjoy
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:24:10 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
>Subject: Re: please stop
>
>In terms of "people our parents might enjoy" you haven't seen all the
>older folks kvelling when JZ et Masada(s) come out with some of his "hi
>dee di" charts at functions liek Ashkanaz in Toornto.
>
>Ken Waxman
>cj649@torfree.net
I was at one of the late shows at the last Ashkenaz fest (the Bar Kochba
performances), and was in the washroom before going into the hall. There
were some of these older folk discussing how awful it had been, how it
wasn't Jewish - the theme of the festival- etc. The only one of them who
wasn't disappointed with the show said he had gone not expecting to like it
anyway, so he wasn't disappointed. I really felt like asking him why he
went, if he didn't think he would like it, but decided it probably wasn't
worth my time.
Dan
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:47:54 -0400
From: Dan Given <dlgiven@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re:Braxton
>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:25:36 -0400
>From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
>Subject: Re: Enjoy (Braxton) 1998
>
>Dan Hewins wrote:
>> "Performance (Quartet) 1979." Does anyone have this? How is it?
>
>I assume this is "Peformance 9/1/79" released by hat Hut (2R19), a live
>date from Willisau with a quartet including Ray Anderson, John Lindberg
>and Thurman Barker. Not sure whether it's been re-issued on disc, but
>it's a typically fine representation of AB at the time.
It was issued on CD as Hat 6044. Not currently listed in Cadence, so
probably hit and miss as to whether you will find it.
In terms of the mid-low horns (i.e tenor), just what is a C-Melody. Braxton
played it on the 7 Comp. Trio 1989 disc, some others do also (Paul Dunmall
for instance)
Dan
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:06:17 -0500
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: UMD Stockhausen Concert on Saturday, Sept 19
I apologize for the inevidible cross-posting, but I wanted to invite
everyone to come out for an evening of astrological exploration and
intuitive music at the final concert of comma:summer::new:music...
==================================================
Masses of Time, Cycles of Light: Stockhausen at 70
==================================================
Saturday, September 19, 7:00 PM, FREE
Art/Sociology Building, Main Atrium
University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20742
Celebrating the 70th birthday year of one of the century's most important
composers and innovators. Featuring "Tierkreis" and 'intuitive music'
pieces from "Aus den Sieben Tagen" and "Fuer Kommende Zeiten". Performers
include Dawn Culbertson, Matthew Ross Davis, Linh Kauffman, Kathleen Light,
Caroline Smith, and Joe Zitt in various and sundry arrangements and
instrumentations including synthesizer, trumpet, voices, double-reeds,
violins, lutes, percussion and recorders.
It's an atmosphere of listening and wandering, so feel free to come and
relax for the evening, experience the sounds, live in the music.
More information is available at http://artswire.org/comma/csnm or email me
at mrd@artswire.org, or call 301-891-2855.
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | m - a - t - t - h - e - w | r - o - s - s | d - a - v - i - s | |
| | http://www.artswire.org/mrd | | | | | | | UMD school of music | |
| | m-e-t-a-t-r-o-n p-r-e-s-s | | | http://www.artswire.org/comma | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:59:38 EDT
From: APoesia794@aol.com
Subject: please stop: solution
here's a suggestion....if you are going to post a question or comment that is
pretty much un-related to the zorn list, but you feel that there may be some
people on the list with some useful information on the subject.....ASK FOR
PRIVATE RESPONSES.
thanks
jt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:50:03 PDT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Enjoy (Braxton) 1998
>
>Anyone know why he seems to avoid the Tenor Sax?
>
>Dan
>
PERFORMANCE 1979 is outta print. But Cadence's C.R.O.S. could probably
find it brand new for ya. It's GREAT. One of the few Braxtons to
absolutely have.
Brax plays a mean stutter-solo on tenor on the double-CD concert disc
QUARTET (LONDON) 1985. That's the one that comes to mind. Two albums I
really really like are QUARTET (VICTORIAVILLE) 1991 and QUARTET (SANTA
CRUZ) 1993 (which suffers from occasionally poor recording, but not too
bad).
Just another 2-cents.
- --s
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 01:15:55 -0400
From: Circle9 <caliban@ctol.net>
Subject: Re: Masada Soundtrack
That would be the soundtrack to the made-for-TV miniseries "Masada"-
which was aired in the early 80s, not 1970. Must have been some mistake
on the date. Totally unconnected with JZ in any way shape or form. The
film is just a dramatization of the incident in Jewish history that Zorn
happened to name his band after. And when I saw it back in 80-81, I
personally thought it was a piece of crap. (But then name me a made for
TV movie from 1980 on that wasn't...). Certainly a low point in Peter
O'Toole's career.
-SG
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:14:07 +0800
From: numbat@vianet.net.au (Sibree/Wilkes)
Subject: Re: stuff our parents might enjoy
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:24:10 -0400 (EDT)
>>From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
>>Subject: Re: please stop
>>
>>In terms of "people our parents might enjoy" you haven't seen all the
>>older folks kvelling when JZ et Masada(s) come out with some of his "hi
>>dee di" charts at functions liek Ashkanaz in Toornto.
>>
>>Ken Waxman
>>cj649@torfree.net
>
>I was at one of the late shows at the last Ashkenaz fest (the Bar Kochba
>performances), and was in the washroom before going into the hall. There
>were some of these older folk discussing how awful it had been, how it
>wasn't Jewish - the theme of the festival- etc. The only one of them who
>wasn't disappointed with the show said he had gone not expecting to like it
>anyway, so he wasn't disappointed. I really felt like asking him why he
>went, if he didn't think he would like it, but decided it probably wasn't
>worth my time.
>
>Dan
As a 54 year old long time 'fan' of Zorn we are not all like that. Maybe
they didn't know before they went what they might be faced with. I suspect
that the majority of your peers might not think like you. There is a fine
line between knowingness and self righteousness, and Zorn's music ranges
far and excludes little.
Billy
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:19:57 +0200 (MEST)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: Re: please stop
> > >don't know if this is any list related but who cares....
> > >a friend of mine told me about a performance of a group called STOMP
>
> i care. i didn't sign up for the *zorn* list to read about broadway shows!
i am VERY ( *g* ) sorry for asking this question BUT I DIDNT KNOW WHAT
THIS GROUP CALLED STOMP was all about since i only heard from a friend of
mine who is NOT INTO AVANT music that they are very good so i thought
about asking about them
SORRY SORRY SORRY
BJOERN
ps: not everyone on this list knows all the stuff that is played on
broadway..u know
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:38:41 +0200 (MEST)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: Re: please stop: solution
> here's a suggestion....if you are going to post a question or comment that is
> pretty much un-related to the zorn list, but you feel that there may be some
> people on the list with some useful information on the subject.....ASK FOR
> PRIVATE RESPONSES.
how clever...so again:
i was told that they are from new york and that they do pretty "weird"
stuff with dustbins etc.
since i am not from the US but from GERMANY i have never heard of this
group called STOMP before.
the person that told me about them is not into avantgarde and experimental
music at all so i MIGHT HAVE guessed that STOMP are probably not THAT
weird...anyways what she told me about them sounded more like MERZBOW than
like BROADWAY.....
anyone who knew about them and responded to the question KNEW what they
are like and could have responded privately....
i didnt know that....
anyways whatever one does on this list...it`s wrong
i remember when i asked this question about the all-time top 20 records
(some of u might remember) and asked for private responses (since this was
not that much list-related in my opinion) alot of people shouted for
responses to the list....
oh well sometimes i dont understand this list..... : )
BJOERN
www.cityinfonetz.de/uni/homepage/bjoern.eichstaedt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:44:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: Stomp's indebtedness
One thing to remember about STOMP, if this makes anyone feel any better
(regarding it's relative relation to all things Zorn), is that they
wouldn't exist if Cage and similar composers hadn't been experimenting
with kitchen utinsils and everyday objects for making sound - I see STOMP
as a direct descendant of Cage's line of thought, they're just using it in
a more 'mainstream' idiom.
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | m - a - t - t - h - e - w | r - o - s - s | d - a - v - i - s | |
| | http://www.artswire.org/mrd | | | | | | | UMD school of music | |
| | m-e-t-a-t-r-o-n p-r-e-s-s | | | http://www.artswire.org/comma | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 06:35:49 -0500
From: "Marks, Andy" <Andy.Marks@mts.com>
Subject: Off topic, Squarepusher
In the interest of keeping on topic, I have another off topic post. :-)
I've finally decided to check out Squarepusher. I've narrowed my
first purchase down to "Hard Normal Daddy" or "Feed Me Weird Things".
Could i get some recommendations/descriptions of these
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:05:47 -0400
From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com
Subject: Issues from Zorn List Digest V2 #461
Re: Stomp
FWIW, there's a Stomp track on "Orbitones, Spoon Harps and Bellowphones"
CD, a sequel to "Gravikords, Whirlies and Pyrophones" on Ellipsis Arts
(just reissued in smaller format). Each release consists of a nicely done
96 page book and CD introducing various instrument builders and their
creations. Tom Waits, ZGA, Lou Harrison, John Cage and others are
represented on Orbitones. I have not listened to it yet so I cannot judge
whether Stomp are truly avant garde and worthy of our attention but I
thought I'd mention it. Stomp have not released any CDs to date.
Re: Braxton
Yes, the 1979 quartet recording was issued on CD by hat ART, but it's out
of print and probably hard to find, since it's a great one. Good question
about his avoidance of tenor. I hadn't realized it before.
Re: The Bribe
Gad, another huge chunk of Primo Zorn. How much more of this stuff is
there?
Re: Patrice's comment about whether our parents like what we listen to
In my house, it's my kids who think my musical tastes are weird.
I also wanted to add that I am listening to Ribot's "Cubanos" and
Kaiser/Smith's "Yo! Miles" constantly. Best single-day's purchase in
months for me. The 30+ minute Jack Johnson medley is awe inspiring.
Glenn
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:16:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Patrick Ivan Jenkins <cz176@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: masada 10
Dear Zorn Listers,
I'd be interested in hearing responses to Masada 10. Does anyone
have a copy yet? What's it like?
Thanks.
Yours truly,
Patrick
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 06:55:50 PDT
From: "Tim Schelfhout" <s_tim@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hail Off topic
I must say that The one thing I REALLY like about this list are the off
topic topics.
For those of you who like/love/hate X legged sally a load of info at the
following (although it is outdated) site :
www.reference.be/xls
Enjoy and keep the off-topics alive.
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:06:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Masada
> In terms of "people our parents might enjoy" you haven't seen all the
> older folks kvelling when JZ et Masada(s) come out with some of his "hi
> dee di" charts at functions liek Ashkanaz in Toornto.
>
> Ken Waxman
Could you explain this? Recently in Cadence there was a negative review
of Masada 9 which said it was basically cheap exotica or something and
compared it to Herb Alpert's Tijuana Brass. I think a lot of the Masada
stuff has a sense of humor to it and I don't really understand these sorts
of criticisms (as in, "this is Jazz" or "this is Jewish music" and it must
obey certain rules...).
No offense meant by this-
WY
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:42:25 -0400
From: Caleb Deupree <cdeupree@interagp.com>
Subject: Re: Masada
>>>>> "William" == William York <wyork@email.unc.edu> writes:
William> Could you explain this? Recently in Cadence there was a
William> negative review of Masada 9 which said it was basically
William> cheap exotica or something and compared it to Herb
William> Alpert's Tijuana Brass. I think a lot of the Masada
William> stuff has a sense of humor to it and I don't really
William> understand these sorts of criticisms (as in, "this is
William> Jazz" or "this is Jewish music" and it must obey certain
William> rules...).
Part of the consequences of genre busting, as practiced by JZ and
similar artists, is that people don't quite know how to categorize the
new works and become more reactionary in maintaining the boundaries of
the old genres. IMHO, Cadence has an especially strong stance toward
the boundaries of jazz as they were defined 30 years ago or so. For
example, they have generally negative reviews for anything that smacks
of rock (note how many of their reviews dismiss the music because of
rock drumming or guitar), and this often extends to anything which
doesn't fit into bop or post-bop. JZ projects like Naked City have
shown that he doesn't respect boundaries at all (except perhaps as
targets), and it is therefore easy to exclude his work from the narrow
jazz categories, despite the fact that it is very creative and often
improvised.
I don't mean this as a slam against Cadence. I've been a subscriber
for years, and they provide a great service both for distribution and
reviews of truly obscure but interesting artists. They just aren't a
good source for information or positive remarks for music outside the
jazz boundaries, which is the music most often discussed on this list.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
------------------------------
End of Zorn List Digest V2 #462
*******************************
To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to
"majordomo@lists.xmission.com"
with
"unsubscribe zorn-list-digest"
in the body of the message.
For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
"help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to
subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest"
in the commands above with "zorn-list".
Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in
pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date.
Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com