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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #460
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, September 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 460
In this issue:
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Re: David Slusser's Rubber City?
David Slusser's Rubber City.......on tape
the bribe
Bennink/Patton
FS: Plexure
any idea about this record?
Zorn at Slim's, SF 9/15
Lou Reed in a special performance
new Praxis?
Re: new Praxis?
Re: new Praxis?
masada soundtrack question
Re: masada soundtrack question
info on skeleton crew : Etymology
Re:info on skeleton crew : Etymology
STOMP
Re: STOMP
Re: STOMP
STOMP
Re: STOMP
Re: STOMP
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:08:05 -0700
From: "ADM" <ameyers@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: David Slusser's Rubber City?
David Slusser was nice enough to send me a tape of Rubber City when I
asked him about it at the Sun-Ra tribute at Yoshi's earlier this summer. I
also saw them play once in January and they were great. There seem to be
some guests on the tape he sent me including a vibes (or some such mallet
instrument) player and a guitarist. I seem to remember hearing somewhere
about something concerning recording an album. So... yea.
- -Aaron
>
> Reading the interview with Slusser on the Perfect Sound Forever site
> (thanks, Jason), he mentions this band, consisting of himself and
> Ralph Carney on reeds, w/ bass and drums. Pre-dating the founding of
> Masada, the band apparently works a similar post-Ornette territory.
>
> Slusser didn't say whether this band has recorded; if not, has anyone
> heard them? Opinions?
>
> There was a commercial a coupla years back (for brillo-like pads?)
> featuring a bunch or dancing, clattering pots and pans. I'd always
> thought the rhythms were surprisingly complex and enjoyable,
> surprising in that context. I feel a bit vindicated upon now
> discovering that Slusser was responsible for the music!
>
> Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:27:48 EDT
From: APoesia794@aol.com
Subject: David Slusser's Rubber City.......on tape
david slusser was kind enough to send me a recording of his band "rubber
city" in return for a favor i did for him. it's a live show, not studio
recording. it's fabulous!
he mentioned to me that he was hoping to someday be picked up by a label. when
i asked him about rubber city he was excited to discuss the project. i know
that he was once a member of the zorn list, i don't know if he still is.
jt
- -
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:28:52 EDT
From: Orangejazz@aol.com
Subject: the bribe
i picked up the bribe today, it's great. i don't know much about music, it's
nice to hear the themes in Spillane expanded upon though. all in all a very
enjoyable album, i'd like to hear about Aproprias if anyone has heard it.
from,
matt
- -
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:38:58 +0200
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Bennink/Patton
Bad news for everyone intending to go to Bennink/Patton at the
Vooruit (Ghent,Belgium). The show has been cancelled.
YVes
- -
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:33:19 -0700
From: David D Egan <degan@excell.com>
Subject: FS: Plexure
I had the good fortune to run across about a half dozen copies of
Oswald's Plexure in a clearance bin recently. For those of you who have
been holding off on this one because it violated the buck-a-minute rule,
now's your chance. I'll let them go for $10 each, postpaid in the US.
Most of them are new, but a couple look like they have been opened and
returned(!) Respond at degan@excell.com if you're interested.
- - Dave
- -
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:57:51 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: any idea about this record?
Does anybody know the following record?
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - HELLO POP TART: Tomoko Mukaiyama
Plays Cowell to Zorn.
Tomoko Mukaiyama: keyboards.
1998 (?) - BVHaast (Holland), BVH 9801 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:25:37 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
Subject: Zorn at Slim's, SF 9/15
First off, the concert was pretty damned *loud*. I should've expected
something hardcore, what with the lineup -- Zorn on sax, Dave Lombardo (from
Slayer and Grip Inc.) on drums, and Mike Patton from Faith No More on
vocals, radio static and, uh, power electronics. But this was certainly one
of the loudest and noisiest concerts I've ever attended, stopping just a bit
short of actual physical damage. (Or maybe not; my poor eardrums were
ringing for hours afterward. That should teach me to wear earplugs next
time.)
Zorn, wearing neck-length hair and wearing a red T-shirt (can't describe
those pants, but I wouldn't wear them), blew fast and furious riffs and
mostly stayed at the high end of the scale (with the usual
strangled-duck-calls-in-a-bowl-of-water routine); I can only remember a few
moments when he slowed things down -- brief bursts of more, uh, meditative
sections, if you will. Lombardo pummeled the hell out of his drum kit with
his heavy, violent machine-gun drumming. And Patton now has an expanded
repertoire of yelps, screams, dry retches and sputters to boot (one piece
featured all of Patton's vocals on reverb which, um, doubled the intensity
of the experience). In addition, Patton would coax, out of his synth-thing
(sorry, I have no idea what it was called), these large slabs of
Whitehouse-like electronic noise, with all the gurgling, screeching and
buzzing that you'd ever want to hear. Or not. (One piece began with a
horribly high-pitched whine, which Zorn replicated on his sax. This went on
for almost a whole nausea-inducing minute, I swear. One of the waitpersons
got somewhat agitated and loudly said "Oh God," hurrying away after putting
away the beer glasses.)
Otherwise they didn't talk to the audience or anything, but that was no
surprise. There was one brief funny moment when some guy in the crowd
yelled, "I love you, John Zorn" and Zorn started making big smoochy noises
at the audience. "No, really," the guy shouted, which made the crowd laugh
even more. The only annoying thing about the concert were these two jerks in
the middle (god, I hope they're not on this list) who kept trying to holler
along with Patton. The concert ended with Zorn, Lombardo and Patton giving
each other hugs -- that was nice.
All in all, it was still quite an enjoyable concert (except for some parts
of physical discomfort) -- but basically it was aural assault after aural
assault. Not that it was unstructured or anything, but all I can pick out
are interesting moments -- Lombardo getting different sounds out of this
Paiste gong, Zorn scratching the microphone with another mic (and matching
Patton scream for scream at one point), a little snippet of something from
Filmworks 1, and the veins on Patton's neck sticking out like Henry
Rollins's. On the whole, though, I'd rather be seeing Masada (they're coming
here in November).
My apologies to the person who posted a message asking who was going to the
SF concerts; I lost your e-mail address. I wouldn't have minded company
either, since there was no way my wife was ever going to go. =)
Later,
Ben
np: amon duul, "im garten sandosa"
http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:44:18 -0400
From: Caleb Deupree <cdeupree@interagp.com>
Subject: Lou Reed in a special performance
From the CNN web site, the story on Clinton and Czech President Vaclav
Havel:
CNN> Havel is on a five-day visit to the U.S. He will be honored
CNN> by Clinton and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton at a White
CNN> House state dinner Wednesday night, featuring rock 'n roll
CNN> star Lou Reed.
Perhaps he'll give a special reprise of Metal Machine Music, or maybe
JZ gave him some etiquette lessons after Havel's visit to the Knit
with Mme. Albright a while back.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:25:32 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: new Praxis?
Just saw the following record:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - MOLD: Praxis
1998 - Yikes Records (USA), ??? (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Did we ever talk about it on the list (wondering how I could have missed it)?
Could somebody comment it? Jeff, any info on the label?
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:43:09 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: new Praxis?
At 03:25 PM 9/16/98 -0700, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> Just saw the following record:
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---
>
>*** - MOLD: Praxis
>
> 1998 - Yikes Records (USA), ??? (CD)
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---
>
>Did we ever talk about it on the list (wondering how I could have missed it)?
>Could somebody comment it? Jeff, any info on the label?
Yikes is run by Peter Wetherbee, who used to run Axiom. This is their
fourth release, prior ones include a recording in the Phillipines, an
African drum CD, and a re-release of the Cypher 7 discs. This one is 1984,
reworked, remixed.
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:38:01 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: new Praxis?
Jeff Spirer wrote:
> Yikes is run by Peter Wetherbee, who used to run Axiom.
And, of particular interest to this here list, was one of the original cofounders
of Tzadik.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:36:28 -0400
From: Jack Blanton <jblanton@kent.edu>
Subject: masada soundtrack question
I was looking at the cite at Music Blvd. and came accross this under
Masada. Does anybody know anything about this? (Sorry about the bad
formating, I cut and pasted it):
$ 14.99
Varese -- Records Ltd --
Released 12/10/97
Catalog Number: 5249
Track Listing
Top of Page
The Old City (03:26)
3.
The Planting (02:56)
4.
The Road To Masada (06:54)
5.
Night Raid (03:30)
6.
Our Land (04:41)
7.
The Encampment (02:30)
8.
No Water (02:30)
9.
The Slaves (05:14)
Jack Blanton
jblanton@kent.edu
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:24:31 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: masada soundtrack question
Jack Blanton wrote:
> I was looking at the cite at Music Blvd. and came accross this under
> Masada. Does anybody know anything about this? [snip]
Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack to a 1970 feature film about the historical
incident from which Zorn's current quartet and a specific body of his music
take their name.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:04:54 +0200
From: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be>
Subject: info on skeleton crew : Etymology
Dear Listmembers,
Since quite some time, something's very interesting is mentioned on the
fred frith website. It is an album by Skeleton Crew, called Etymology.
I was wondering if anyone on the list ownes this amazing cd.
I know that Bill Laswell did a similar thing some time ago, but this
skeleton crew album consists of new exlusive material (recorded in 1995
by frith & cora), it's on rarefaction label (http://www.rarefaction.com)
So, can someone -who ownes the cd- give some revieuws on it? What's on
it, is it easy to use, does it contain frith solo samples - cora solo
samples - duo samples - is it real time recorded or edited - ....
The idea of the cd seems great: making a record with a fred frith / tom
cora sound.
- --
Stefan Verstraeten
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:59:41 +0200
From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" <vuilleumier@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: Re:info on skeleton crew : Etymology
Well
I have a copy.
The details of the tracks (95 tracks of 1-12 samples)
are in the discography.
Basically about a third each Frith (1-37), Skeleton Crew (38-54)and
Tom Cora (55-95).
If like me any Frith or Cora snippet of sound makes you stop
whatever you were doing because you recognize it (and like it)
then this is for you. I especially liked the Cora stuff which sounds
like a guide to all the kinds of sounds Tom got out of his cello.
A bit strange to listen through in one go because it's like
an encyclopedic digest guide to their "purified" sounds @10 seconds each mostly.
I like it because of the concentrated instant recognition effect.
Work on the sounds/ sound desig was done/produced by Tom Dimuzio BTW.
I suppose some people will love to sample it, which is why it was
actually made as far as I understand. It's also why it is quite
expensive (no copyright). There is a nonaudio sampling version of it
too for that purpose.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be>
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>; fred@music.ch
<fred@music.ch>
Date: Donnerstag, 17. September 1998 09:03
Subject: [fred] info on skeleton crew : Etymology
:Dear Listmembers,
:
:Since quite some time, something's very interesting is mentioned on the
:fred frith website. It is an album by Skeleton Crew, called Etymology.
:I was wondering if anyone on the list ownes this amazing cd.
:I know that Bill Laswell did a similar thing some time ago, but this
:skeleton crew album consists of new exlusive material (recorded in 1995
:by frith & cora), it's on rarefaction label (http://www.rarefaction.com)
:So, can someone -who ownes the cd- give some revieuws on it? What's on
:it, is it easy to use, does it contain frith solo samples - cora solo
:samples - duo samples - is it real time recorded or edited - ....
:The idea of the cd seems great: making a record with a fred frith / tom
:cora sound.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:31:09 +0200 (MEST)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: STOMP
don't know if this is any list related but who cares....
a friend of mine told me about a performance of a group called STOMP she
saw in new york city.
she told me that they were doing all kinds of weird stuff by using diverse
kinds of tools on stage.
anyone can tell me anything about these guys???
are there any recordings out there???
BJOERN
www.cityinfonetz.de/uni/homepage/bjoern.eichstaedt
- -
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:33:09 -0700
From: "schwitterZ" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: STOMP
They did a performance at the Emmy awards show televised this Sunday past in
sync with a pastiche of images culled from the last 50 years of American
television the best of which was STOMP stomping to footage of Spike Jones
honking, yelping, and clanging.
s~Z
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:25:57 -0400
From: Caleb Deupree <cdeupree@interagp.com>
Subject: Re: STOMP
>>>>> "BJOERN" == BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de> writes:
BJOERN> don't know if this is any list related but who cares....
BJOERN> a friend of mine told me about a performance of a group
BJOERN> called STOMP she saw in new york city. she told me that
BJOERN> they were doing all kinds of weird stuff by using diverse
BJOERN> kinds of tools on stage. anyone can tell me anything
BJOERN> about these guys??? are there any recordings out there???
This is more on the lines of a Broadway dance show than a musical
group, which originated in Scotland. There are several troupes that
tour various parts of the world, and each has maybe a dozen or more
players/dancers. They use all kinds of junk to make very rhythmic
music, from brake drums, push brooms, trash bags, and matchboxes. I
believe it is the policy of the original developers of the show that
it is intended always to be a live theatrical show only, so no
recordings are available or planned.
Stomp came to my town a couple of years ago, and I posted a favorable
review on the ambient list. I was mildly flamed by some individuals
who thought that performers like Test Department and Zev had been
doing similar work before Stomp was around, and that Stomp was a
watered down, commercialized version of the same.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 98 11:44:41 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: STOMP
They were stomping in Argentina, in a local theatre with great success,
but I don't think what they do deserve any recordings. I mean, they're
good doing their stuff on stage, but if you want percussion related
music I think you can get amazing cds beginning (for instance) with any
from Nana Vasconcelos.
- -Hugo (knocking at the desk at work)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:59:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: STOMP
On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, Caleb Deupree wrote:
> Stomp came to my town a couple of years ago, and I posted a favorable
> review on the ambient list. I was mildly flamed by some individuals
> who thought that performers like Test Department and Zev had been
> doing similar work before Stomp was around, and that Stomp was a
> watered down, commercialized version of the same.
this is true, and i would add in
Einsturzende Neubauten as well.
all the same, Stomp are still
enjoyable to see, at least once.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:56:50 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: STOMP
I saw Stomp in Boston a few years ago and enjoyed it. However the thing
that struck me as strange is that for a group entirely centered on
percussion and rhythm they stuck to the 4/4 for the whole time. Not once
did they even go 3/4! I just thought that was strange. Even the
mainstream audiences that go to see that sort of thing more often can
handle 3/4; they know waltzes. Don't get me wrong though, I enjoyed it.
Someone (I can't remember who said it) was right when (s)he said that they
are more Broadway musical-ish than a music group.
Dan
- -
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