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Zorn List Digest     Saturday, September 12 1998     Volume 02 : Number 457



In this issue:
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       Re: Tzadik CDs: Vasconcelos, Luc Ferrari
       Marc Ribot y Los Cubanos Postinos
       Re: Tzadik CDs: Vasconcelos, Luc Ferrari
       Re: Molde-Knitting Factory
       Re: Molde-Knitting Factory
       The Guy In The Black Shirt
       was LAST EXIT. now VICTO TAPE.
       some suggestions please....
       Re: some suggestions please....
       Re: some suggestions please....
       CD Sale
       DLB at Columbia U.
       FW: [fred] somewhat
       Re: some suggestions please....

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:33:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Tzadik CDs: Vasconcelos, Luc Ferrari

> I'm listing all this so that no one will feel compelled to pay $50 to some
> sleazeball who wants to sell them this.  If anyone desperately wants a
> copy let me know.
>
> I was surprised (in a good way) by a few of the things on there,
> including:
>
> Nana Vascocelos (from _Fragments_) + Gisburg (from _Shadows in the Sea_).
>
> Can anyone vouch for these as a whole.  I'm looking into getting some more
> Tzadik CDs put am looking for those on the 'more often listened to' end,
> rather than 'interesting but rarely listened to'.  Also, if anyone has
> heard Luc Ferrari's CD, how is that?

I've been lurking a while, sort of intimidated by the astonishingly wide
range of knowledge represented by the people on this list. But I can put
in a good word for both the Vasconcelos "Fragments" and the Luc Ferrari
"Cellule 75".

I'm particularly into these two because they were two of the last CDs I
bought (this summer) before returning to grad school and lots of DEBT. So
they have a sort of nostalgic quality for me: the good old days when I
could actually buy music....

Anyway, Vasconcelos' CD is a collection of eerie, atmospheric soundscapes,
lots of wordless vocals and subtle effects (with a pop tune in the middle
for contrast). It works really well as a cohesive whole even though the
pieces were composed for several different films.  Anyone know the films?

Ferrari's "Cellule 75" I really love, but I don't know a lot about
electronic music and musique concrete, so maybe you'll need to get a more
informed opinion.  The second piece is really nice: I'm really interested
in the way the piece is both ambitious and unassuming. In the liner notes
Ferrari says something about how he composed it using the most primitive
means available.

These two are Tzadik releases that I actually play a lot (also Bun Ching
Lam-- the vocal pieces that close her "Child God" CD absolutely move me to
tears every time. No joke.)

Hope this was helpful, at least as an expression of enthusiasm,
Andy Miller


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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:20:59 -0400
From: Brad Syna <[e-mail]>
Subject: Marc Ribot y Los Cubanos Postinos

Marc Ribot y Los Cubanos Postinos will be playing the Variety Playhouse in
Atlanta, GA, Friday September 12 at 8:30 pm. Local favorites Smoke open. If
you need more info Variety is on the web at
www.variety-playhouse.com
Thought you'd want to know,
Brad


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:58:39 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tzadik CDs: Vasconcelos, Luc Ferrari

[e-mail] wrote:

> I've been lurking a while, sort of intimidated by the astonishingly wide
> range of knowledge represented by the people on this list. But I can put
> in a good word for both the Vasconcelos "Fragments" and the Luc Ferrari
> "Cellule 75".

If you can deal with both Nana Vasconcelos and Luc Ferrari, then you have no
reason to hide 'round here, Andy.  Welcome to the outside world, and have a good
time.  And by all means, speak up!

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Shiurba/Rosenberg/Robair - Bubble and Squeak - "Toothache"
(about which see http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba/sedition.html )


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:34:44
From: Therese Clemetsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Molde-Knitting Factory

At 13:46 07.09.98 +0, you wrote:
>Hi There.
>
>I went to a internet- relayed concert at the Molde International Jazz=20
>Festival, with Molvaer, Terje Rypdal, DJ Soulswinger and Bill Laswell=20
>on stage in Molde, but I never really got to hear who played at the=20
>Knitting Factory. All I can remember know is that there were an=20
>acoustic bass and a drum kit.=20

=20

>please send me the names.


I was there too! And here=B4s the names:
Hill Greene -bass
Dary Altshul- drums

Bill Laswell told me that their names is not to be remembered (?)
and he was very negativ to Knitting Factory....

Can anybody tell me about the Knitting Factory- situation?


Greeetings from Norway

Therese








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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:01:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Molde-Knitting Factory

I *wasn't* there, but I figure you mean "Barry" Altshul on drums -- he=20
played with Braxton, Bley et.al=20

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]



On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Therese Clemetsen wrote:
> =20
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> >please send me the names.
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> I was there too! And here=B4s the names:
> Hill Greene -bass
> Dary Altshul- drums
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> Bill Laswell told me that their names is not to be remembered (?)
> and he was very negativ to Knitting Factory....
>=20
> Can anybody tell me about the Knitting Factory- situation?
>=20
>=20
> Greeetings from Norway
>=20
> Therese
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Gretz <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Guy In The Black Shirt

who's the "guy in the black shirt"?

Lou Reed?



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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:48:40 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: was LAST EXIT. now VICTO TAPE.

>> Ive also heard that their performance at
>>Victoriaville was taped.

was victoriaville 98' video taped?
thanks
jt


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:54:08 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: some suggestions please....

i'm looking to buy some mingus and christian marclay. can anyone shoot out
some suggestons? they would be greatly appreciated. i'm looking for some of
mingus'
more "free" stuff. his more complicated and/or "out there" stuff (for lack of
a better word).

i'm also interested in hearing some turntable/djtype stuff. not club music.
musicians who push the boundaries of this instrument. any suggestions? thanks


jt


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:31:03 PDT
From: "Scott Handley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: some suggestions please....

 i'm looking for some of
>mingus'
>more "free" stuff. his more complicated and/or "out there" stuff

*********

In terms of the outer Mingus, one of my all-time favorites is the
incendiary LIVE AT TOWN HALL (or is it TOWN HALL CONCERT?) on Prestige
(perhaps misnamed---the small ensemble recording from Europe w/ Dolphy,
Curson, et al...not be confused w/ the large ensemble recording THE
COMPLETE TOWN HALL CONCERT on BlueNote, which is a beautiful botch, and
definitely otherworldly at times....other good but more straight ahead
large ensemble recordings include CUMBIA AND JAZZ FUSION, and LET MY
CHILDREN HEAR MUSIC), the one with "Meditations on a Pair of Wire
Cutters".  For the "prayer meeting" Mingus of
African-American-Protestantism -meets-the-Master-Musicians-of-Jajouka, I
love the lengthy LIVE AT ANTIBES 1960, or the new authorized double
bootleg REVENGE (notwithstanding the packaging).  All three of the above
involve a lot of blowing, but the studio masterpiece has got to be THE
BLACK SAINT AND THE SINNER LADY, which everyone likes.  It ends up being
a ULYSSES-like collage because a.) Ming composed it that way, and b.)
there is a hell of lot of studio dice-ing involved.  It's his ELECTRIC
LADYLAND.  It's wonderful and Charlie Mariano's (?) alto playing is
really intense.

On second thought, there are two or three volumes of LIVE IN EUROPE on
Enja, I think, and you need them bad.  I remember thinking they kicked
as much ass as TOWN HALL CONCERT.

Finally, if you haven't heard the Hal Willner-produced WEIRD NIGHTMARE:
MEDITATIONS ON MINGUS album, it's wonderful: Bill Frisell, Vernon Reid,
Robbie Robertson, Greg Cohen, Bobby Previte, and a cast of thousands.  I
think it's out-of-print, but you might be able to snag a copy. I think
it really captures the spirit of Charles Mingus' music, the way he could
render ethereal the mundane or the concrete, or give shape and material
texture to emotions.  The man's ability to transform things into
critical masses of nuance and exception, that's what blows me away.  A
sense of "strangeness", and danger---and it's everywhere.

P.S. If you haven't checked out Charles Mingus' "autobiography" BENEATH
THE UNDERDOG, you might want to.  Reads like very strange piece of
fiction.


- --s


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:28:41 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: some suggestions please....

The 1964 European tour happens to be well documented and there are a large
number of CDs, bootleg or official, that exist.  Everything I have heard is
well worth having.  I particularly like a disc called "Parkeriana" on Jazz
Roots.

The Town Hall Concert is excellent as is Live in Europe, vol. 1.  There are
two volumas, as far as I know.

Dan

>On second thought, there are two or three volumes of LIVE IN EUROPE on
>Enja, I think, and you need them bad.  I remember thinking they kicked
>as much ass as TOWN HALL CONCERT.



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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:50:14 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: CD Sale

I'm selling the following CD's for $10 each except for the Parliament
double-disc which I'll sell for $15 (I'll cover the shipping). I could
just take these to a used CD store in town but I thought I'd give you
all a chance at them. First come, first serve... Thanks.

Gregg Bendian's Interzone (Eremite) w/Dresser + Cline Bros.
Han Bennink + Dave Douglas - Serpentine (Songlines)
William Hooker - Shamballa: Duos w/ T. Moore & E# (Knitting Factory)
AMM III - It Had Been An Ordinary Enough Day In Pueblo, CO (JAPO/ECM)
Dave Douglas - Parallel Worlds (Soul Note) w/string group
Dave Douglas - Five (Soul Note) w/string group
Dave Douglas - In Our Lifetime (New World/Countercurrents)
Henry Kaiser - Lemon Fish Tweezer (Cuneiform) solo improvisations
Mark Dresser - Banquet (Tzadik)
Ned Rothenberg Double Band - Real & Imagined Time (Moers)
Nels Cline Trio - Chest (Little Brother)
Apocalyptica Plays Metallica By Four Cellos (Mercury)
Wayne Horvitz & Zony Mash - Cold Spell (Knitting Factory)
Get Shorty: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack (Antilles)
John Zorn - Filmworks II (Tzadik)
John Zorn/Naked City - Heretic (Avant)
John Zorn (feat. Marc Ribot) - Book Of Heads (Tzadik)
John Zorn - Filmworks III (Tzadik)
John Zorn - The Big Gundown (Nonesuch/Icon)
Parliament - Tear The Roof Off: 1974-1980 (Casablanca) 2-CD set
Parliament - Live: P-Funk Earth Tour (Casablanca)

                -Tom Pratt

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:06:18 -0400
From: David Beardsley <[e-mail]>
Subject: DLB at Columbia U.

Pauline Oliveros Foundation Presents

D E E P L I S T E N I N G B A N D

DECADE: TEN YEARS OF SONIC EXPLORATION

SUSPENDED MUSIC, A Collaborative Project
Of The Deep Listening Band And
Long String Instrument Band, To Feature
100 FOOT-LONG STRING INSTRUMENT

Premiere Works By PAULINE OLIVEROS, ELLEN FULLMAN, and PAUL D. MILLER

Produced by Lauren Amazeen


LOW LIBRARY ROTUNDA, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY
SEPTEMBER 24 - 26 - 8:00 P.M.
¡ FREE ¡

The Deep Listening Band (DLB) ¡ Pauline Oliveros,
Stuart Dempster, David Gamper ¡ have created and
performed some of the most original sonic
explorations of the past ten tears in site-specific
acoustic environments from a cavernous cistern in
Washington state to a lava cave in the Canary
Islands. This September, DLB kicks off a season-long
Decade celebration. Set in the vaulted marble arena
of the McKim, Mead & White-designed Low Library at
Columbia University, Suspended Music will feature
the Long String Instrument (LSI) ¡ a one-of-a-kind
musical instrument with strings nearly 100 feet
long stretching across the public space of the site.
Suspended Music will feature the New York premiere of
Epigraphs in the Time of AIDS, by Pauline Oliveros,
and TexasTravelTexture by Ellen Fullman, creator of
LSI. These works are featured on the new recording
Suspended Music, recently released by Periplum.
The DLB performance will also feature the newest
incarnation of the Expanded Instrument System (EIS),
a unique, computer-driven musical machine that
is a part of the ongoing sonic evolutions of the
Pauline Oliveros Foundation. Following each of the
three formal concert presentations, Paul D. Miller
will create a special, informal sound environment,
reimagining DLB compositions in a new work: Speak
Spoke Spoken/Break Broke Broken: Depth Charge on
the Deep Listening Zone - Deep Listening Band Decade
Remix. Paul D. Miller's performance will include a
special duet with Pauline Oliveros, and an
informal lounge will be open in an adjoining space.
Suspended Music will take place September 24 - 26
at 8pm in the Low Library Rotunda, Columbia University,
Broadway at 116th Street. Admission is free. Further
information can be obtained by calling [phone].

The Expanded Instrument System (EIS) is an evolving
electronic sound processing environment dedicated to
providing improvising musicians control over various
parameters of electronic transformation of their
acoustic performances. Performers each have their own
setup which includes their delay and ambiance
processors, microphones, signal routing and
mixing, and a computer which translates and displays
control information from foot pedals and switches.
In addition, they have access to shared processing
resources, such as a special digital signal processing
computer. The musicians and their instruments are the
sources of all the sounds, which they pick up by their
microphones and subject to several kinds of pitch,
time and spatial ambiance transformations and manipulations.
No electronic sounds sources are used, only acoustic
instruments and voices. Software for the EIS was developed
by David Gamper with additional software by Panaiotis
of PanDigital Corporation and by Rick Stone.

The Long String Instrument, a part of the EIS project,
was created by composer Ellen Fullman. Architect Gabriella
Gutierrez is collaborating on the EIS installation
at Low Library.LSI is a hundred foot-long original
instrument. The performers walk among groups of strings,
bowing them with rosined fingers. The instrument produces
a unique almost orchestral sound, based on the natural
overtones of the strings. The physical scale of the
instrument and the way the overtones interact with
the space turn the site into a giant musical instrument.
The LSI Band is made up of Ellen Fullman, Amy Denio,
and Matthew Sperry.

DLB (Pauline Oliveros-accordion, Stuart Dempster-trombone,
David Gamper-winds and electronics) was formed in 1988,
while recording its award winning Deep Listening CD for
New Albion Records in a two million gallon cistern with
a reverberation time of 45 seconds. DLB has continued to
explore unusual acoustic spaces such as caverns, quarries
and nuclear cooling towers. Several DLB Decade
performances are planned for the 1998-99 season in
New York.

Original document @ http://www.artswire.org/pof/DLBlowPR.html

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:49:31 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: [fred] somewhat

FYI:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Frith [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 1998 10:32 AM
> To: fred
> Subject: [fred] somewhat
>
> good day,
> just back from a three month road trip, and I can shed some light on a
> couple of topics:
> Meridiem is a project by Percy Howard, in which Bill Laswell, Charles
> Hayward and I were invited to participate.  Although much of the music
> is improvised, its content was determined by the texts of the
> songs and
> Percy's ideas, and of course the emotional center of the music is
> Percy's voice.  We finished this project a few hours early and while I
> was waiting to go to the airport, Zorn called and suggested we make a
> trio record for Tzadik.  This we did, and it became a new Massacre
> record called Funny Valentine.  We played eleven pieces with
> no breaks,
> and what you hear on the record is these eleven pieces,
> unedited, in the
> order that we played them, so it's as close to the original reality as
> we could make it!  This record should be out in a couple of weeks.
> Incidentally, Charly records have released the original
> Massacre record
> and you should know that this is a bootleg - they don't have
> a contract
> with me and the musicians don't get a penny from it, so please, if you
> want the first Massacre CD, get the RecRec version!
>
> I'm interested in how intolerant or inflexible in their tastes some
> people seem to be.  I think The Previous Evening is very
> beautiful - I'm
> certainly quite happy with it or I wouldn't have wanted to
> release it -
> but there seems to be an idea out there that only one kind of music is
> allowed, and this ain't it!  I have no problem with anyone liking some
> things more than others, we're all like that, but I find the air of
> political correctness that goes with imposing your own opinion a bit
> odd....  I hope those who find this kind of music arty-farty have the
> courage to listen to it more than once, and preferably without
> distraction.   God knows what you'll make of Pacifica!  Better not buy
> it I guess, wouldn't want to rip you off.  There are plenty
> of places on
> the net where you can hear extracts of the music so as to avoid being
> conned into purchasing it  by beasts such as myself.
>
> Have a nice day
> fred f
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:53:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: some suggestions please....

Mingus' "outest" stuff can be found on two Candid LPs:

Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus with Ted Curson (tmpt); Eric
Dolphy (as, flu, bc) and Dannie Richmond (d) and Mingus with that group
augmented by such people as Paul Bley.

All of it plus mucho other stuff was reissued in a Mosaic box set a few
years back, but you can probably find he individual CDs

Mingus' masterpiece is The Black Saint and The Sinner Lady (Impulse) with a
small -big band, but it may be more composed than "far out" for you.

Also check Oh Yeah! on Atlantic where Mingus plays piano and sings(!)
with the help of folks like RR Kirk.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]






On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 [e-mail] wrote:

> i'm looking to buy some mingus and christian marclay. can anyone shoot out
> some suggestons? they would be greatly appreciated. i'm looking for some of
> mingus'
> more "free" stuff. his more complicated and/or "out there" stuff (for lack of
> a better word).
>
> i'm also interested in hearing some turntable/djtype stuff. not club music.
> musicians who push the boundaries of this instrument. any suggestions? thanks
>
>
> jt
>
>
> -
>
>

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