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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #456
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, September 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 456
In this issue:
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Re: New Zorn Releases?
Haino
LP Auction (closes Sept 14)
Material
Re: Material
Tzadik Radio Hour/Tzadik CDs
Re: Tzadik Radio Hour/Tzadik CDs
RE: Paul Simon
Re: Paul Simon. Sorry about that.
Bolan
Re: Re: Material
Re: Bolan
How can I get these Douglas cd's
Tzadik "jewish" collections (was Re: Bolan)
Re: tricky.
Re: How can I get these Douglas cd's
Re: Last Exit videos
new bailey
live radio 2?
mark feldman and sylvie courvoisier in chicago
High Rise tour info
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:02:36 PDT
From: "Silent Watcher" <silent_watcher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Zorn Releases?
>Are Aporias, The Bribe, and/or Ganryu Island due out today, or are
>they later in the month? I couldn't get a clear answer from where I
>looked on the Tzadik site.
Our computer at work has the next batch of Tzadik albums listed for next
Tuesday, the 15th - assuming they haven't been pushed back.
Peace,
DB
Bill Laswell and Lori Carson Discographies at :
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:01:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Newgarden <dn@panix.com>
Subject: Haino
Craig Rath wrote:
>Speaking of Haino - someone a while back posted that Haino was going to
>be playing at Tonic in NY in October. Does anyone have any more specific
>information about that yet?
Haino will be at Tonic (nyc) Oct 29-31, tentatively one night solo, one
night with Fushitsusha, one night with 'friends' (I'm not sure which night
is which). Amazingly, High Rise are also playing NYC on Halloween...
Here's the October Tonic schedule, curated by Ted Reichman. Upcoming
curators are rumored to be Elliott Sharp (November), Vernon Reid
(December), Arto Lindsay (January).
10/1-3 John Zorn's Bar Kokhba
10/7 Gianni Gebbia (w/Lukas Ligeti)
10/8 Roy Campbell's Other Dimensions in Music meets the Gold Sparkle Band
10/9 Karen Mantler and Michael Evans (featuring Kato Hideki & Eric Mingus)
10/10 Judy Silvano (w/Gerry Hemingway & John McKenna)
10/14 Dave Tronzo Solo
10/15 Eugene Chadbourne & Tony Trischka
10/16 Josh Roseman
10/17 Peter Apfelbaum
10/21 Tom Varner's American Song Project
10/22 Vincent Chancey Trio
10/23 Elliott Sharp's Terraplane (Acoustic/Electric)
10/24 Gerry Hemingway
10/28 Marty Ehrlich Group (w/Baikida Carroll, Mike Formanek, & Billy
Drummond)
10/29-31 Haino Keiji
@ Tonic Hair Salon & Cafe, 107 Norfolk St. (near Delancey), NYC
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:48:35 +0800
From: numbat@vianet.net.au (Sibree/Wilkes)
Subject: LP Auction (closes Sept 14)
A reminder that my latest list of mostly free jazz/avant garde lps is
available on rec.music.marketplace.vinyl, or email me for details. The
auction closes on September 14.
Billy
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:17:29 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Material
Can someone tell me what Material sounds like in general? Also recommend
albums to buy/avoid/start on?
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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 09:58:44 -0400
From: Caleb Deupree <cdeupree@interagp.com>
Subject: Re: Material
>>>>> "Julian" == Julian <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au> writes:
Julian> Can someone tell me what Material sounds like in general?
Julian> Also recommend albums to buy/avoid/start on?
A quick rundown of their albums from memory. Material participated on
a number of other projects for other people, notably Herbie Hancock's
dance album Rockit. If you're looking for early downtown work, skip
Material and dig up the Massacre release with Laswell, Fred Maher on
drums, and Fred Frith on guitar. It wears much better than any of the
early Material albums, IMHO.
From the late 1970s and early 1980s:
Temporary Music -- Laswell & Michael Beinhorn on percussion plus
guests doing early downtown experiments, some with disco-type beats,
some more free. Sounds pretty dated. Originally released on a series
of 12" before CD compilations.
Memory Serves -- more experimental, lots more guests. Best bet for
the early work.
One Down -- the pop album. Whitney Houston and Archie Shepp
participating in a rendition of Memories. Lots of disco and dance
music, sounds pretty dated.
Live at Soundscape -- an entire concert, completely improvised.
Sounds like no other Material album. Last album with Beinhorn.
There is a long hiatus before more Material releases. These are all
from the late 1980s and 1990s:
Third Power -- more dub and reggae, the only Material album on which
Laswell does not play bass. Originally intended as a Sly & Robbie
album. I still listen to this one a lot.
Seven Souls -- William Burroughs and more African/Arabic influence.
There's a remix album from this source as well.
Hallucination Engine -- more funky than Seven Souls, but Nicky
Skopelitis brings a lot of Middle Eastern influence to bear. This
sounds to me a lot like Skopelitis' solo album Ekstasis, if that's a
reference point for you. Samples from this album show up on the Axiom
Dub and Ambient compilations.
I listen to Third Power the most of these. For more complete track
and personnel listings, check out the Laswell discography at the Axiom
web site, http://www.hyperreal.org/music/labels/axiom/. The players
on most of the albums will give a pretty good idea of what the album
sounds like.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:29:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Tzadik Radio Hour/Tzadik CDs
I have been lucky enough to get a (free) copy of the Tzadik Radio Hour
promo CD, which has Zorn introducing and playing songs from about 20
different Tzadik CDs. (T-ZA-dick, he gets the T in there, like it says in
the FAQ: "as in glitzy", but unlike the FAQ says, it is "dick" and not
"deek" as he says it).
Anyhow, he has lots of complimentary things to say about the musicians,
like (these are paraphrases):
Ikue Mori's _Garden_ is to him one of the great electronic works of the
90s, comparable to Xenakis in the 60s (I haven't heard either yet).
Kletka Red (pronounced "Klekta" -??-) and Naftule's Dream were demo's that
were sent to him despite what the label says about no demos (it's probably
harder now to get one through I bet).
Eyvand Kang is "one of thje most exciting musicians on the Downtown Scene
today".
Steve Beresford is one of the most important composers and singers (??) in
Britain.
And so on, but he used "to me" or "in my opinion" which keeps him from
sounding like some pompous kknow all critic. He also gave some in depth
descriptions of the Rodd Keith and Ken Butler CDs, and talked about
Fujieda's Patterns of Plants CD as well.
I'm listing all this so that no one will feel compelled to pay $50 to some
sleazeball who wants to sell them this. If anyone desperately wants a
copy let me know.
I was surprised (in a good way) by a few of the things on there,
including:
Nana Vascocelos (from _Fragments_) + Gisburg (from _Shadows in the Sea_).
Can anyone vouch for these as a whole. I'm looking into getting some more
Tzadik CDs put am looking for those on the 'more often listened to' end,
rather than 'interesting but rarely listened to'. Also, if anyone has
heard Luc Ferrari's CD, how is that?
As for News For Lulu/Sonny Clark, I love the Sonny Clark Mem'l Band record
(just found the used LP), I think its my favorite of Zorn's straighter
alto playing. More News for Lulu I like but I wish Frisell was louder,
and that CD is definately a lot freer. Zorn does a lot more of the
screams on that one, which for some reason I love on Torture Garden and
Spy vs. Spy but could do with less of on the Lulu CD. Just an opinion..
WY
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:15:08 -0700
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Tzadik Radio Hour/Tzadik CDs
Lord knows Zorn doesn't want to come off sounding pompous.
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:18:14 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@silesia.top.pl>
Subject: RE: Paul Simon
> Arthur, I think you're going just a bit overboard here.
Right, sorry, apologize.
In my country you can read ridiculous articles in some newspappers about
people who have to be Jews because they look like a Jew, and they
pretend they are not. Therefore I found the judgement of Paul Simon
stupid. "He looks like a Jew" - so what? I think that the original
message shows interresting attitude: "Zorn is a Jew, also Bacharach
(never heard of him till I found the Tzadik release...), so maybe Simon
is not so bad too!"
I was born in a city on the south of Poland, where used to live dozens
of thousands of Jews before world war 2. It happend many times that some
people thought I'm a Jew because my first name is Artur, I was born
there, I listen to klezmer music and I... look like a Jew! After people
realized that, they looked at me different than before. So I find the
"looks-like-somebody" judgement stupid. I wanted to show the next step
on this way, which can be insulting. Therefore I apologize again.
Regards
Masada Rulez! :-)
__________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak [arno@silesia.top.DEATHTOSPAMMERS.pl]
www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:57:59 +0400
From: "Edward Lutiy" <iron@orc.ru>
Subject: Re: Paul Simon. Sorry about that.
Hi!
I'm terribly sorry if my question was incorrect, but Artur Nowak cutted
half of it. I admire Simon & Garfunkel's songs very much. I was only
wondering about the possibility to hear Zorn & Co.'s interpretations of
their tunes in the future. (I saw that photo and thought "Paul Simon is a
great composer. Maybe one day Mr. Zorn...". By the way in the shop I was
looking for 3 new Zorn CDs on Tzadik).
(And I think "the guy in a black shirt" has no relationship with list's
topic.)
>Do we REALLY need to humor this kind of attitude, AT ALL, on this
platform?
What kind of attitude? John Zorn produces compilations on Tzadik on "this
platform".
Ed.
P.S. Excuse me for my stupid question. I'm awfully sorry.
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:43:38 -0400
From: Risser Family <risser@goodnews.net>
Subject: Bolan
Actually, i think Paul Simon would be a great choice, as long as they =
stayed away from that Capeman garbage.
In any case, has anyone heard the Bolan CD?
It's not nearly as good as the Gainsbourg CD. In fact, I found it =
fairly disappointing. Bolan basically wrote and re-wrote two songs, but =
every variation rocked rocked rocked. This disc suffers decidely from =
post-rock syndrome and does not rock. It sorta trapses around. I don't =
know. I wasn't impressed, but I'm still listening.
Some rare grooves, for example, Arto Lindsay and the ever awesome =
Elysian Fields.
But thass about it.
Also, I have never heard the Bacharach, so i can't compare.
Anyone else have an opinion?
Peter
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 01:11:25 EDT
From: Sulacco@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Material
here's another good laswell discography (not mine. lord knows i wish i had
that kind of time)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:41:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: tosh@loop.com (Tosh)
Subject: Re: Bolan
The Bolan collection should rock! If it doesn't rock,then what is it? I
love the Gainsbourg cd, and was very much intrigued with the 'idea' of the
Bolan cd. Do the artists play around with the arrangements - or is it
pretty much straight forward.
Also the same question for the Bacharach collection.
- -----------------
Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
- ----------------
- -
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:46:12 +0200
From: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be>
Subject: How can I get these Douglas cd's
Dear Zornies,
Perhaps somenone on the zornlist can help me out finding out the
following problem. Currently, I am looking for these two cd's.
> >-bill laswell: jazzonia
> >-nicky skopelitis: revelator
> >all these two cd's are on the douglas label
So I started looking, but the answer I got from Downtown Music Gallery
(and a lot of other retailers) was:
> Sorry, but due to the troubled relationship that we and the > distributors that have worked with the Douglas
> label have had, we are no longer dealing with Douglas product.
> best wishes, Downtown Music Gallery
So my question is: Does anyone know where I can get those cd's (email or
website address for a ditributor). Or does someone has a contact address
for the label itself???
(Allmighty Patrice and Jeff Spirer, can you help ??????????)
Greetings from Belgium to everybody,
Stefan
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:15:14 +0200
From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" <vuilleumier@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: Tzadik "jewish" collections (was Re: Bolan)
I haven't heard the Bolan collection yet (but I'm glad
Arto is apparently consistently in the top few!)
- -----Original Messages-----
From: Tosh <tosh@loop.com>
Date: Thursday, 10. September 1998 08:41
Subject: Re: Bolan
:The Bolan collection should rock! If it doesn't rock,then what is it?
From: Risser Family <risser@goodnews.net>
Date: Thursday, 10. September 1998 05:45
Subject: Bolan
:In any case, has anyone heard the Bolan CD?
:
:It's not nearly as good as the Gainsbourg CD. In fact, I found it fairly
disappointing. Bolan basically wrote and re-wrote two songs, but every
variation rocked rocked rocked. This disc suffers decidely from post-rock
syndrome and does not rock. It sorta trapses around. I don't know. I wasn't
impressed, but I'm still listening.
:
:Some rare grooves, for example, Arto Lindsay and the ever awesome Elysian
Fields.
The problem I had with the Gainsbourg collection was that it
DID NOT rock either! Almost totally uninspired. Diction and
arrangements are obviously important in the originals, but
one main asset of Gainsbourg songs always was that
he was able to use french words poetically in a rock format -
THAT rocked. Gainsbourg was really the first
to give french rock/pop songs this nursery rhyme quality
english songs can/should/often have. E.g. check how french reggae should sound
on Aux Armes etc., 1978; (lots of french speaking peoples' introduction to
reggae - mine anyway).
Stephane
PS don't hit me for the quotation marks in the
subject line, please...
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:26:25 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: tricky.
On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 16:04:56 +0000 patRice wrote:
>
> besides marc ribot & greg cohen, you can also hear doug wieselman on
> tricky's latest offering "angels..."
Nice to hear that somebody else noticed Doug's presence.
Patrice.
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:24:55 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: How can I get these Douglas cd's
At 08:46 AM 9/10/98 +0200, Stefan Verstraeten wrote:
>Dear Zornies,
>
>Perhaps somenone on the zornlist can help me out finding out the
>following problem. Currently, I am looking for these two cd's.
>> >-bill laswell: jazzonia
>> >-nicky skopelitis: revelator
>> >all these two cd's are on the douglas label
Jazzonia should be hitting US stores right now. Places like CDNow may have
it, and Playing by Ear (pbe@Rte66.com) should be getting it.
No-one seems to know where the Revelator inventory is. Too bad, it's a
great CD.
Douglas went under. Jazzonia (and a Praxis compilation) were already
pressed and are being distributed by someone else.
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:01:20 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Last Exit videos
Bruno Bissonnette wrote:
>
> Hi all Zornophiles,
>
> Here's something I'm quite curious about: is there any live video
> footage of Last Exit out there? I figure there's probably no official
> release (maybe an obscure European TV broadcast?), but how about
> bootlegs, crowd shot videos by fans, of any sort?
Bruno,
There is a fair amount of live Exit video out there, However, finding
it is another matter. A good place to start would be the people who run
the Tampere Jazz Fest in Finland. Ive seen a really well produced promo
of Exit playing there that seemed like it was done for Finnish TV in
conjunction with the festival. There also exists a tape of the bands
appearance at the North Sea(JVC) jazz fest on 7/10/87 (this is the
concert that yielded the tune "Line of Fire" from the Cassette
Recordings album). However this tape is one of those fixed camera at the
soundboard type tapes. Ive also heard that their performance at
Victoriaville was taped.
Perhaps one of the European zorn-listers might have an easier time
tracking this stuff down. My efforts at doing so have always run into
the language barrier.
Hope this helps
Rich
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:43:18 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: new bailey
Has anyone heard this apparently recent Ractangle release and have any
thoughts they'd like to share about it?
Derek Bailey/Pat Thomas/Steve Noble - And
(guitar/sampler/turntables)
looks intriguing...
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:32:28 EDT
From: DEANER76@aol.com
Subject: live radio 2?
i've been hearing rumors of a 2disc live naked city album which is going to be
all their covers. has anyone else heard this? and if so, when is it due?
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:25:50 EDT
From: MFeld251@aol.com
Subject: mark feldman and sylvie courvoisier in chicago
violinist Mark Feldman and pianist Sylvie Corvoisier
will play a concert in chicago at
The Empty Bottle 1035 N.Western Av (Division+Augusta)
Wed Sept 23 at 9:30
Thanks
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:36:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: High Rise tour info
hey now,
this may be slightly off topic, but
i thought it may be of interest...
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
A couple of people asked me about the full High Rise tour including
the dates in Europe. I asked Nanjo about it, and after the usual
lengthy delay, got a reply, so here's the news. It's actually a
combination High Rise/Ohkami no Jikan tour, since Narita (High Rise
guitarist) can't go away for very long.
Oct 28 - San Francisco - High Rise, Bottom of the Hill
Oct 29 - KFJC radio - High Rise live
Oct 29 - San Jose - High Rise, Works Gallery (still being arranged)
Oct 30 - WNUR radio - High Rise live
Oct 30 - Chicago - High Rise, Empty Bottle
Oct 31 - New York - High Rise, Mercury Theater
Nov 1 - Philadelphia - High Rise, Astrocade
Nov 3 - Paris - High Rise, Instant Chavires
Nov 4 - London - High Rise, TBA
Nov 5 - Manchester - High Rise, TBA
Nov 6 - Bristol or Birmingham - High Rise, TBA
Nov 7 - London - High Rise, TBA
Nov 8 - Glasgow - Ohkami no Jikan (w/Richard Youngs), TBA
Nov 9 - Manchester or Newcastle - Ohkami no Jikan, TBA
Nov 10 - London - Ohkami no Jikan, TBA
Nov 12 - Paris - Ohkami no Jikan, TBA
Nov 15 - San Francisco - Ohkami no Jikan, TBA
Lots of TBA stuff in Europe, of course, but I'll try to fill in
the details if I can get them from Nanjo in a few weeks.
=============================================================
Mason Jones Charnel Music, Automatism Press
mason@charnel.com P.O. Box 170277
San Francisco, CA 94117-0277
Phone & Fax 415.664.1829 www.charnel.com
=============================================================
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