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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #454
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Zorn List Digest Monday, September 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 454
In this issue:
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Re: Zorn's Touring Habits/Chicago
Re: Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland
Re: Reviews
Re: Zorn's Touring Habits/Chicago
Carl Stalling
wayne and marc
leaving... for a little while
Fantomas?
Re: Zorn's Touring Habits/Chicago
Re: Praxis Tour - West Coast
Re: Praxis Tour - West Coast
Eugene In Ventura
new just in
Interview with Zorn
Re: Interview with Zorn
little update on Zorn in SF
Re: piano pieces
Last Exit videos... Bungle?
Keiji Haino
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:49:11 -0500
From: clockwise <clockwis@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn's Touring Habits/Chicago
At 07:21 AM 9/3/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I can't speak for Chicago, but the guys who book shows here in Detroit, say
>that JZ charges a hell of a lot of money (more than most "fringe" acts), and
>they don't think they could make it back.
I heard the same from the guy who brought Masada to Madison, Wisconsin, he
said he lost over $2000, and wouldn't ever book them again.
peace
clockwise
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 98 00:24:15 -0600
From: Doug Tapia <dtapia@unoco.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland
>Big shocks:
>John Zorn no glasses and shoulder length hair.
>The band set up their own gear no big crew.
>But biggest shock of all no PA only a small bass amp.
>
>One number was 191 does this mean Masada have a list of at least 190 tunes
>to call on?!
>
Indeed. It's a huge book that is still ocasionally added to.
>Music for the Gods!
>
>Richard G
>
>
>-
>
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 98 00:24:09 -0600
From: Doug Tapia <dtapia@unoco.edu>
Subject: Re: Reviews
>Subject: Reviews
>Sent: 9/2/98 9:58 AM
>Received: 9/3/98 8:15 AM
>From: Theo Klaase, Vlad-Drac@webtv.net
>To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
>
Enjoyed your micro reviews of some of the more popular Zorn releases. I
think I'll have to go buy a couple more of the Filmworks series!
>JZ SPY VS. SPY
>crazy! I'm not sure if I like it. I don't think I do. the band is
>made up of 2 drummers, 2 saxes, and a bass guitar. each sax is panned
>totally left and right. furious. must be played loud, if played at
>all. only for the Zorn completist.
>
It's an acoustic (upright bass) It's all Ornette compositions and is
very much in the mold of Ornette's _Free Jazz_ conseptually: Basically
Tim Berne vs. John Zorn. Knowing the tunes and their original Ornette
versions is a big help. Very cool if you approach it from this vantage
point.
>
>Just in case you wondered about someone's perception.
>
Always wondering about other people's opinions,
- -Doug
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:19:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Saidel Eric J <ejs4839@usl.edu>
Subject: Re: Zorn's Touring Habits/Chicago
According to clockwise:
>
> At 07:21 AM 9/3/98 -0600, you wrote:
> >I can't speak for Chicago, but the guys who book shows here in Detroit, say
> >that JZ charges a hell of a lot of money (more than most "fringe" acts), and
> >they don't think they could make it back.
>
>
> I heard the same from the guy who brought Masada to Madison, Wisconsin, he
> said he lost over $2000, and wouldn't ever book them again.
>
> peace
>
> clockwise
>
I wonder about this, unless Masada was in Madison fairly recently,
brought by some promoter other than Tag Team. The first time they
came to Madison (which was before any of the cds had been released,
but after Zorn was a big enough name to fill the hall at fairly high
ticket prices - they had reserved seats for $20 and general admission
for $15 in a hall which usually was just general admission for around
$12) they did well enough that the same promoter brought Cobra a
few months later.
- - eric
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:57:38 -0400
From: "hijk" <hijk@gateway.net>
Subject: Carl Stalling
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Does Zorn plan on being involved in any more of the Carl
Stalling Projects?
Jeff Kent
hijk@gateway.net
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 09:45:06 -0400
From: Bob Kowalski <BKowalski@genetics.com>
Subject: wayne and marc
Mr Ribot is on a new Winter and Winter release that also has Eugene
Chadbourne. Any word good or bad on this? Wayne Horovitz has an
excellent new disc out on Intuition (a greater by the release label.)
;>)
Bob
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:24:33 -0600
From: Jason Tors <jtors@usinteractive.com>
Subject: leaving... for a little while
I am leaving for a short trip to france, then starting a new job. I will
join back up at the end of the month. Farewell fellows and fellas.
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:29:38 -0400
From: "hijk" <hijk@gateway.net>
Subject: Fantomas?
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What's the word on Mike Patton's new band Fantomas? I hear they are=20
going in a "Naked City" type direction...
Jeff Kent
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:57:55 -0500
From: clockwise <clockwis@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn's Touring Habits/Chicago
>I wonder about this, unless Masada was in Madison fairly recently,
>brought by some promoter other than Tag Team. The first time they
>came to Madison (which was before any of the cds had been released,
>but after Zorn was a big enough name to fill the hall at fairly high
>ticket prices - they had reserved seats for $20 and general admission
>for $15 in a hall which usually was just general admission for around
>$12) they did well enough that the same promoter brought Cobra a
>few months later.
>
>- eric
>
>
it was before they had recorded when i saw Masada (someone in the crowd
yelled out "RECORD!!!" and he replied "We play it once, and its gone
forever"), and I was completely unaware that Cobra played Madison, I went
to Chicago to see it. now that you say that, the guy i talked to may have
been referring to the Cobra show and not the Masada show (we were
discussing Zorn in general, and the specific project wasnt mentioned in the
conversation.
peace
clockwise
- -
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:03:31 -0700
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Praxis Tour - West Coast
At 9:12 AM 9/3/98, Jeff Spirer wrote:
>This is a more or less final schedule for the West Coast tour of Praxis.
>
>Sept 17 San Diego, Belly Up
>Sept 18 Santa Barbara, probably at the Ventura Theater
>Sept 19 LA, Troubador
>Sept 20 SF, Slim's
>
>Previously announced dates in Seattle/Portland/Vancouver look like they
>won't happen.
>
>Lineup is Buckethead, Bill Laswell, Brain, and a DJ.
>
I saw an ad in today's Portland paper for a Praxis show on the 23rd, at the
Alladin Theater. Is this show indeed happening (please please please)?
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/
"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
-Sun Ra
________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:33:56 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Praxis Tour - West Coast
The ads were placed prior to the change in the schedule. As of today,
there are no gigs in the Pacific Northwest.
At 07:03 PM 9/4/98 -0700, Dave Trenkel wrote:
>At 9:12 AM 9/3/98, Jeff Spirer wrote:
>>This is a more or less final schedule for the West Coast tour of Praxis.
>>
>>Sept 17 San Diego, Belly Up
>>Sept 18 Santa Barbara, probably at the Ventura Theater
>>Sept 19 LA, Troubador
>>Sept 20 SF, Slim's
>>
>>Previously announced dates in Seattle/Portland/Vancouver look like they
>>won't happen.
>>
>>Lineup is Buckethead, Bill Laswell, Brain, and a DJ.
>>
>I saw an ad in today's Portland paper for a Praxis show on the 23rd, at the
>Alladin Theater. Is this show indeed happening (please please please)?
>
>________________________________________________________
>Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/
>
>"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
>gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
>your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
>type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
>together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
>together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
> -Sun Ra
>________________________________________________________
>
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:40:05 -0700
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Eugene In Ventura
Music for Prepared Toaster, Shoe, Screwdriver, and Large Coffee Percolator
transcended the genre.
Stunning.
s~Z
- -
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Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 14:55:18 -0400
From: Bob Kowalski <BKowalski@genetics.com>
Subject: new just in
Hey there,
Anyone hear the latest Winter & Winter disc w/ Ribot & Chadbourne on
it? Good? A racket and a half or more on the mellow side? I did pick up
a wonderful new Wayne Horovitz CD 4+1 Ensemble ... great stuff, in the
vein of his last solo album.
happy listening.
Bob
- -
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:54:33 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@silesia.top.pl>
Subject: Interview with Zorn
FYI:
This is a mail form Fabio Rojas <aaprana@mazel.spc.uchicago.edu> sent to
re.music.bluenote:
> I opened up the Chicago Tribune today and found the following
> interview by conservative columnist Eric Zorn of jazz/free music
> sensation John Zorn. Check out the Tribune's web page: www.tribune.com
> for the original.
>
> _______
>
> A few days ago I had the rare opportunity to interview jazz
> artist John Zorn about morals, values and families in America.
> Here are some excerpts:
>
> E. Zorn: You are a very controversial person, Mr. Zorn. People have
> claimed that your music, especially in works like Painkiller,
> encourage young people to ponder suicide? How do you respond?
>
> J. Zorn: Well, I think it goes back to my early "game pieces". Games
as
> everybody knows are the work of the devil. I only realized this
> when I was playing a composition called "Ouija Board" with
> Bill (Laswell) and Elliott (Sharp). We accidentally conjured
> one of the minions of Set during a rehearsal. It was cool but rather
> unexpected. After sacrificing some family values to this creature,
> he showed me the secret to success and this lead to more pacts with
the
> Devil. By the way, and I know it's kind of cheesy to plug your
> records during an interview, but I just have to let all my fans
> know that I have just released recordings of my negotiations with
> Set, Mephistopheles and other demons in a new box set of 5 CD's
> called "Bill Gates Would Be Proud; early recordings of Naked
> City making Deals with the Devil 1985-1989".
>
> E. Zorn: That's fascinating, John. How did you get into the
> business of undermining the institution of marriage ?
>
> J. Zorn: After my little encounter with good old Scratch, it was
> easy. First, I moved to New York. I had to do that because ALL
> EVIL starts from there. You get good only by learning from the pros.
> Second, I started a Japanese lablel. That was the key to my success.
> Since the exchange rates are so wretched and the Japanese
> will buy anything American, I was able to accumulate enough
> cash to start my campaign to undermine various sacred institutions.
> Then I picked up Dave Douglass. Ohhhh... it all started to click...
>
> E. Zorn: How does Douglass fit into this?
>
> J. Zorn: Y'see, ol' buddy, Dave also made a deal with the Devil.
> In exchange for fantastic coverage in Downbeat and Cadence,
> how do you think he gets the Talent Deserving Wider Recognition, huh?,
> he now has to do my bidding. Together with me, him and Frissell
> we now issue so many records and box sets that children are forced
> to buy and use to drive their parents crazy. It's breaking
> families apart and I love it!!!
>
> E. Zorn: I must admit that with the consistently high quality
> music and well-designed art and packaging that I can't resist
> buying multiple copies of every Tzadik release. It's gotten
> so bad that my own wife has threatened to leave me. She threatened
> to tear me a new one when she saw my credit card bill.
>
> J. Zorn: See? My plan is going like clockwork!! In no time at all,
> I will take over this country and declare a state of Tzadik.
> Out with Francis Scott Key and in with Japanese Noise Bands!!
> WAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! JOIN ME AT THE RIGHT HAND OF ZORN, ZORN!!!
> WE WILL RULE THE UNIVERSE TOGETHER UNDER THE TWIN FLAGS OF
> AVANT AND TZADIK!! EVEN JAZZIZ AND CROUCH WILL BOW DOWN BEFORE US!!
>
> E. Zorn: Ok.
>
> J. Zorn: Well, that was easy.
>
> __________________
>
> -fabio
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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 09:11:18 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Interview with Zorn
At 04:54 PM 9/6/98 +0200, Artur Nowak wrote:
>> A few days ago I had the rare opportunity to interview jazz
>> artist John Zorn about morals, values and families in America.
>> Here are some excerpts:..
Excellent interview, but one has to wonder why certain questions weren't
asked, for example, why Zorn includes subliminal coding in all Masada CDs
exhorting white American men to tie up Japanes women. Or why the recently
released Painkiller compilation, when put into the CD-ROM player, pops up
images of Zorn and Laswell knifing Jesse Helms and Le Pin. What are the
messages about values contained in these?
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 12:03:07 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
Subject: little update on Zorn in SF
Just thought you folks would be interested: the concert dates are at Slim's
in San Francisco on Sept. 15 and 16; the first concert is billed as "An
Evening with John Zorn, Mike Patton and Dave Lombardo."
The one on the 16th is "John Zorn's Xu-Feng with Trey Spruance, John Schott,
Chris Brown, Dave Slusser, Dave Lombardo and William Winant / Mike Patton's
Feedback Etudes and Phono Sanjo."
Grrr -- and I only bought tickets for the first date, too.
Later,
Ben
http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406
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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 23:42:39 -0400
From: stephen drury <stevedrury@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: piano pieces
Somebody asked recently about getting ahold of printed scores. Zorn is in
the process of printing and publishing some of his own music and making it
available for purchase over the net. At least this was the most recent
plan. I would imagine there'll be an announcement from Tzadik if and when
it comes to fruition. If I hear anything more I'll drop a line here.
- -
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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 21:19:18 PDT
From: "Bruno Bissonnette" <burningwater@hotmail.com>
Subject: Last Exit videos... Bungle?
Hi all Zornophiles,
Here's something I'm quite curious about: is there any live video
footage of Last Exit out there? I figure there's probably no official
release (maybe an obscure European TV broadcast?), but how about
bootlegs, crowd shot videos by fans, of any sort? What would it take to
get my hands on this stuff if it exists?
One more thing (at the risk of sounding very obnoxious): a common
question, but it's true it has been a little while now... what's up with
Mr. Bungle? Did they really get around to recording this summer, and if
so will it be released by 1999? Thanks (and sorry!).
Bruno Bissonnette
Musician/Guitarist
Math Student, Sherbrooke University
______________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:13:27 +0200 (MET DST)
From: FJG_Lamerikx <flamerik@best.ms.philips.com>
Subject: Keiji Haino
Excuse me if this is slightly off subject, but after all Zorn and Haino have
collaborated in the past...
I've fallen completely in love with Haino's Fushitsusha recently, and an
imminent business trip to Japan will put me in the position of being able to
buy some more of the good man's releases. So here are my questions:
1) What's your opinion on "Allegorical Misunderstanding". In all the interviews
and articles I have on Haino, this one seems to attract the least attention.
FYI, I own "Fushitsusha I", "Hisou (Pathetique)", "The Time Is Nigh",
"A Death Never To Be Complete", "Gold Blood", and "The Wisdom Prepared",
all of which I love.
2) What solo Haino releases should I pick up?
3) Is the 4CD box set "The Soul's True Love" still available?
All information appreciated,
Frankco.
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