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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #453
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, September 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 453
In this issue:
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Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland
Marc Ribot
Reviews
Re: Marc Ribot
amsterdam
Re: Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland
Re: Masada songbook
Recent Goodie
spy vs spy
Book review: Roger Sutherland, _New Perspectives in Music_
Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland
Marc Ribot
Zorn's Touring Habits/Chicago
Praxis Tour - West Coast
Re: Praxis Tour - West Coast
Re: Praxis Tour - West Coast
Spy Vs. Spy
tzadik web page
Re: Reviews
Zorn on the internet
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:23:39 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland
Was anyone - else - on this list at the Masada gig in Edinburgh, last
Friday (28th)?
Sean
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:26:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase)
Subject: Marc Ribot
Is Marc Ribot touring to support his latest release? Does anyone have
the dates? I live in New Orleans, and for a jazz city, No one seems
interested in playing here. I fear I may have to fly to SF, New York,
or the likes, to see Zorn and the boys.
- -Theo
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:58:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase)
Subject: Reviews
JZ - SPILLANE
A must have for any Zorn fan!
NAKED CITY - SELF TITLED ALBUM
fantastic, marvelous, the inroduction to a new band in which every
musician is an obvious superior talent. another must have.
NAKED CITY - RADIO
a new direction with any loss of intensity. dare I say another must
have.
NAKED CITY - TORCHER GARDEN
brilliantly brutal. not for the weak stomach. an unmatched intensity
for intensity's sake. amazing, but you'd better be in the mood.
FILM-WORKS 1
somewhat different from the other film-works cds' in terms of the
consistant sound. very interesting. the beginings of a swing naked
city sound toward the end of the disc.
FILM-WORKS 3
Marc Ribot, Joey Baron, hell, everyone does a fine job. a hint of
traditional jazz slapped in the face. a serious problem if you don't
have it yet.
even though a lot of the songs are short,--it means nothing. fantastic.
FILM WORKS 5
a spacey groove type disc. each song last anywhere from 48 seconds to
1:12. 48 songs.
don't let that fool you. Ribot is in top form again! very, very good.
FILM-WORKS 6
the first 4 songs you've got to fall in love with. Marc Ribot is
absolutely astonishing. Also, on track 3 Zorn takes one of the finest
sax solos EVER. some of the disc is evasive, but where it shines
bright, it surpasses all expectations. It's a must have!
FILM WORKS 8
stunning. a certainty. if you don't have this album buy it next! 22
tracks of pure bliss.
CLASSIC GUIDE TO STRATEGY
maybe only for the Zorn completist. lots of passion. strange. Zorn
treads water by himself constructing new instruments out of god knows
what. (mostly sax and clarinet pieces) did I hear a kazoo? watch out
for this one.
JZ SPY VS. SPY
crazy! I'm not sure if I like it. I don't think I do. the band is
made up of 2 drummers, 2 saxes, and a bass guitar. each sax is panned
totally left and right. furious. must be played loud, if played at
all. only for the Zorn completist.
JZ/Yamataka EYE
very crazy, although I like it more than spy vs. spy. kind of what you
might expect from mike patton's 3rd release. maybe only for the Zorn
competist.
JZ ELEGY
featuring Trey Spruance, Mike Patton, William Winant, among others.
dark. symphonic. very strange. slow. dramatic. buy the others before
you get this one.
Just in case you wondered about someone's perception.
- -Theo
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:06:15 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Marc Ribot
On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:26:43 -0500 (CDT) Theo Klaase wrote:
>
> Is Marc Ribot touring to support his latest release? Does anyone have
> the dates? I live in New Orleans, and for a jazz city, No one seems
> interested in playing here. I fear I may have to fly to SF, New York,
> or the likes, to see Zorn and the boys.
He was recently touring with Martin/Medeski/Wood and his band was the
opening act.
Patrice.
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:11:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: amsterdam
"Hey, do you think anyone on Zorn list has the low-down on the
avant/under/indie music scene in Amsterdam?-jpn"
i just got this question from a friend. any off-list replies would be
greatly appreciated.
b
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:42:04 +0100
From: "richard gardner" <print@colourtone.force9.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland
- -----Original Message-----
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
To: Zorn List Digest <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Date: 02 September 1998 16:16
Subject: Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland
>Was anyone - else - on this list at the Masada gig in Edinburgh, last
>Friday (28th)?
>
>Sean
>
>-
>
I was certainly there and I must say it was one of the greatest gigs of my
life. Thank God Masada have finally come to the UK.
Big shocks:
John Zorn no glasses and shoulder length hair.
The band set up their own gear no big crew.
But biggest shock of all no PA only a small bass amp.
One number was 191 does this mean Masada have a list of at least 190 tunes
to call on?!
Music for the Gods!
Richard G
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 13:53:33 -0400
From: Caleb Deupree <cdeupree@interagp.com>
Subject: Re: Masada songbook
>>>>> "richard" == richard gardner <print@colourtone.force9.net> writes:
richard> One number was 191 does this mean Masada have a list of
richard> at least 190 tunes to call on?!
The lines notes for Filmworks 8 say that there are around 200 songs in
the Masada songbook, not all of which are appropriate for the Masada
quartet (which is why they show up on Filmworks 8, which has groups
with different instrumentation).
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:35:53 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Recent Goodie
The Lounge Lizards "Queen of All Ears" is excellent.
You should all get this and hear it. The rhythm section carries the album
along very well. The compositions are like butter but they taste better,
more like candy.
That's all.
Dan
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:40:17 EDT
From: Sulacco@aol.com
Subject: spy vs spy
>JZ SPY VS. SPY
crazy! I'm not sure if I like it. I don't think I do. the band is
made up of 2 drummers, 2 saxes, and a bass guitar. each sax is panned
totally left and right. furious. must be played loud, if played at
all. only for the Zorn completist.
i actually LOVE this record. usually when people tell me they just got it,
they subsequently say, "its kinda hard to listen to. it might take some
getting used to." if you like ornette, obviously you'll appreciate this
record.
$0.02
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:32:09 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@interagp.com>
Subject: Book review: Roger Sutherland, _New Perspectives in Music_
The material in this book covers experimental music on both sides of the
Atlantic since WWII, and thus relates most obviously to the Cage list.
However, its discussion of Fluxus and improvisation pertain to several
recent threads on the Zorn list, so I'm sending this review to both. My
apologies to those who receive it twice.
Roger Sutherland is a member of the improvising group Morphogenesis and has
been active in music since the late 1960s, when he was a member of the
(in)famous Scratch Orchestra. His involvement makes him well qualified to
write this wide ranging collection of articles about new music, _New
Perspectives in Music_ (sun tavern fields, London, 1994), starting from
Russolo and Cowell, through IRCAM and AMM. 100 of the 240 pages are
devoted to the European avant-garde, 80 to the American experimentalists,
and the remainder to a miscellaneous 'Transatlantic Perspectives.'
I have to open with a slight disappointment. With a pub date of 1994, I
expected more information on recent developments, whereas most of the
musicians and artists whose work is discussed here belong to the 1950s,
1960s, and 1970s. He opens with the setting of Luigi Russolo in his
rightful place as the first purveyor of complex sounds we call noise taking
the place of music, a decade before Varese's best known pieces, then moves
on to Webern, from whom descend the absolute serialism practiced by the
Europeans Stockhausen and Boulez, and the relative chaos practiced by the
Americans of the New York School (Cage et al.). This dichotomy between
chaos and order informs the whole book.
However, even discussing these seminal musicians and composers, there is
still quite a bit of material not generally covered elsewhere. He has
chapters on Cage (the longest chapter in the book, but not covering the
later works at all), Stockhausen, Nono and Parmegiani, two on Xenakis, live
electronics (including not only Cartridge Music and Mikrophonie, but also
works by Alvin Lucier, Richard Teitelbaum, and David Tudor), improvisation
(AMM, MEV, the Taj Mahal Travellers), imaginary orchestras (IRCAM), and
sound sculptures (Hugh Davies, Partch, Bertoia). Each chapter has a
bibliography and discography, and many are illustrated with the graphic
scores that were so much a part of the period. There are several
photographs, a more extensive bibliography (both general and specific) in
the back, and biographies of most of the major composers. Access to the
DGG Avant Garde series and other vinyl classics which haven't been reissued
on CD would be helpful, although the discography specifically mentions
currently available CDs. His discussion of Fluxus puts the discussion of
wankery which we had recently into some kind of perspective (I think
placing flowers on a piano and titling this 'Piano Piece 1962' (George
Brecht) could constitute wankery in some measure).
The best chapters (on improvisation and sound sculpture) showed me the
continuum between much of the contemporary music I find interesting
(including Polwechsel, Evan Parker's Electroacoustic Ensemble, Zorn's game
pieces, and Butch Morris's conductions) and the music which got me started
down this road years ago (Cage and Stockhausen), which I had forgotten
along with the dusty records in the basement. Overall a fascinating read.
- -
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:43:32 +0200
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland
The Masada String trio played something like "218" and they had
a huge pile of music-sheets with them.
YVes
- -
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:52:32 +0200
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Marc Ribot
Anyone knows if there is a more or less complete
Marc Ribot-discography on the net ?
YVes
- -
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:21:25 -0600
From: dennis summers <denniss@ic.net>
Subject: Zorn's Touring Habits/Chicago
I can't speak for Chicago, but the guys who book shows here in Detroit, say
that JZ charges a hell of a lot of money (more than most "fringe" acts), and
they don't think they could make it back.
yours in zornocity --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****
- -
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 09:12:53 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Praxis Tour - West Coast
This is a more or less final schedule for the West Coast tour of Praxis.
Sept 17 San Diego, Belly Up
Sept 18 Santa Barbara, probably at the Ventura Theater
Sept 19 LA, Troubador
Sept 20 SF, Slim's
Previously announced dates in Seattle/Portland/Vancouver look like they
won't happen.
Lineup is Buckethead, Bill Laswell, Brain, and a DJ.
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:52:09 -0700
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Praxis Tour - West Coast
This is a more or less final schedule for the West Coast tour of Praxis.
Sept 18 Santa Barbara, probably at the Ventura Theater
_________________________
So on the 18th I get to see Praxis in Ventura (not SB if it's the Ventura
Theater), on the 20th--Picasso from MOMA at LACMA, on the 21st--Tim Berne in
LA at New Music Modays.
As they say in Southern California: BITCHIN' DUDE.
Keith
- -
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:32:55 -0700
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Praxis Tour - West Coast
Chadbourne's in Ventura CA this weekend.
Friday for free solo at The Daily Grind.
Sunday for $6 in a trio with two turntable-ists at Art City II.
- -
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:00:22 +0400
From: "Edward Lutiy" <iron@orc.ru>
Subject: Spy Vs. Spy
Sulacco@aol.com wrote:
>JZ SPY VS. SPY
>crazy! I'm not sure if I like it. I don't think I do. the band is
>made up of 2 drummers, 2 saxes, and a bass guitar. each sax is panned
~~~~~~~~
I think Mark Dresser plays acoustic bass on the record. Maybe I'm wrong?
Anyone knows records where Mark plays electric bass? Second soundtrack on
Filmworks 1986-1990???
- -
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 16:15:03 -0700
From: Anne & Dan Dellosso <adosso@desupernet.net>
Subject: tzadik web page
has anyone tried to order any of the new cds from the tzadik web page,
i've tried but the messages don't seem to be going through. just
wondering if anyone has had success with it . or even if the page is
operating. also does anyone have any info on when the rerecorded
"godard" cd is coming out.
dan
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:36:13 +0200
From: "Felix" <jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: Reviews
I thought I'd comment on your reviews and add a few of my own.
>JZ - SPILLANE
>A must have for any Zorn fan!
Definately! The album is amazing!
>NAKED CITY - SELF TITLED ALBUM
>fantastic, marvelous, the inroduction to a new band in which every
>musician is an obvious superior talent. another must have.
>
>NAKED CITY - RADIO
>a new direction with any loss of intensity. dare I say another must
>have.
These are albums that I constantely hear. I find myself singing the tunes in
this album in the most akward situations. Think Radio is better, more
coherent, better production sound, but that's just a matter of opinion.
>NAKED CITY - TORCHER GARDEN
>brilliantly brutal. not for the weak stomach. an unmatched intensity
>for intensity's sake. amazing, but you'd better be in the mood.
I hope you mean Torture Garden... This album is not only brutal, it defines
brutality. It's amazing to see that set of excellent musicians going wild
like they were playing grind core or something. Particularly like the
Zorn/Eye duels (screams vs. sax).
>FILM-WORKS 1
>somewhat different from the other film-works cds' in terms of the
>consistant sound. very interesting. the beginings of a swing naked
>city sound toward the end of the disc.
This one has definately a Naked City primitive feel to it, but I think that
feel is throughout the whole album, not just the end. The end is full of
those marvellous horror-movie-like tunes, like Death Waltz Fantasy (a
complete surprise, I never imagined Zorn doing stuff like that before
hearing it).
>FILM-WORKS 6
>the first 4 songs you've got to fall in love with. Marc Ribot is
>absolutely astonishing. Also, on track 3 Zorn takes one of the finest
>sax solos EVER. some of the disc is evasive, but where it shines
>bright, it surpasses all expectations. It's a must have!
I think Ribot is absolutely excellent in this album! I like the tracks with
Mori too. Friedlander and Fldman basically go wild! Zorn's playing with the
saounds of the elements takes a while getting used to, however. But it's
definately a must have!
>JZ ELEGY
>featuring Trey Spruance, Mike Patton, William Winant, among others.
>dark. symphonic. very strange. slow. dramatic. buy the others before
>you get this one.
I did the opposite. This was the first Zorn album I ever bought. And I only
came to appreciate it after some serious listening. Now it's one of my
favourites. (Funny how I was telling myself that I shouldn't have begun with
the likes of this album when I started hearing Zorn's music...)
And I have these to add:
JOHN ZORN - KRISTALLNACHT
I was once subscribed to the Echo Canyon Sonic Youth mailing list. There
once was a guy who asked around for help in buying Zorn material. I
suggested this album among others and a few days later, I received a mail
bomb from a guy that said that Kristallnacht was a Nazi album. I never heard
of such ignorance. I had to calmly reply to him that it's not possible for
Krystallnacht to be a Nazi album because of obvious reasons that you must be
familiar with. The guy never replied.
Anyway, this album is very good, full of jewish memories. Appeals specially
for the Masada fans, but for those who can take Elegy too. With Wynant,
Feldman, Friedlander, Krakauer and Frank London.
NAKED CITY - GRAND GUIGNOL
I'm not sure how this album came to being and where, but it's very good.
Includes Troture Garden, but the rest is not like it at all. First track is
a lengthy original, sort of ambient. The rest are curious adaptations of
classics like Debussy (La Cathdrale Englutie), for example. A must have, if
you can find it.
NAKED CITY - ABSINTHE
The weirdest (and last, I think) Naked City album. Doesn't feature Eye, and
the rest of the guys are hardly recognized in the playing. This is one of
the best ambient albums I've heard. It's very dark and moody, sometimes
scary. This is one of the albums I play less, but definately one of my
favourites.
MYSTIC FUGU ORCHESTRA - ZOHAR
Zorn and Eye. Weird, very weird. For the Zorn completist. Zorn plays a
little organ (I think) and Eye sings little tunes and ditties (no words),
with alot (and I DO mean ALOT) of background noise, as though it were a very
old record.
Felix
jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 21:07:48 -0600
From: Barry Gilbert <barry.gilbert@internetmci.com>
Subject: Zorn on the internet
Pardon my shameless plug, but I've moved my Zorn radio show from my local
community radio station to an internet radio station. The show is called
Zornithology and is aired on a new site: www.radioM.com. It currently airs
Mondays at 8PM, and repeated Wednesdays at 5 PM and Fridays at 8PM (all
times eastern). Each show is an hour long and focuses on specific areas of
Zorn's music. This week's show covers his coolaborations with Chadbourne,
next week is about Cobra, and subsequent shows will cover his bebop stuff,
cartoon-related stuff, and more. Check it out and send feedback. I welcome
any input.
Barry Gilbert
Boulder, Colorado
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