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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #425
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Zorn List Digest Friday, July 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 425
In this issue:
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RE: Joey Baron
Re: dumitrescu/xenakis
Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise)
Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise)
Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise)
Re: Miscelaneous
web-info about Xenakis, Stockhausen,...
New Music in Austin
Re: New Music in Austin
Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise)
Fripp Eno Zorn
Austin Music
t o m W | A | I | T | S bone-machine
JMT Distribution
Re: Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise)
Re: Dumitrescu
Amherst, MA 7/25/98 (i.e. Saturday)
Re: JMT Distribution
Yet More Tom Waits
Re: Goldberg et al.
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:43:53 +0000
From: Dwight Haden <dhaden@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Joey Baron
>Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:15:57 -0500
>From: Evan Jones <baka@flash.net>
>Subject: Joey Baron
>
> Does anybody know what other bands Joey Baron has been in? I'd be really
>interested in finding out ...
I think the best showcase for Joey's drumming are the nine (and still
counting) DIW John Zorn Masada CD's. Because of it's jazzier nature, Joey
takes lots of solos, and he smokes'em all.
If you're from a 80's hardcore background, I gotta warn you - Masada's not
much like Naked City Torture Garden, so be prepared to open your mind. I
recommend
Masada's 5,6,1,3,8 for starters but they're all great.
I second the recommendations for
Frisell/Driscoll/Baron - Live
and Miniature - I can't put my finger on it (Baron/Berne/Roberts on JMT)
out of print, but still somewhat available.
Dwight Haden === dhaden@worldnet.att.net
- -
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:55:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: dumitrescu/xenakis
On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Scott Handley wrote:
> info on Iancu Dumitrescu and Iannis Xenakis. My searches have led
> nowhere, really: very little on Xenakis and nothing on Dumitrescu apart
strange because i found quite a
bit with Alta Vista.
http://www.eskimo.com/~foont/groovy.html#Xenakis
http://www.mala.bc.ca/~mcneil/xenakis.htm
http://157.27.1.40/germano/eme/compos/xenaia.htm
http://www.medieval.org/music/modern/xenakis.html
etc...
there's also an excellent interview
with Xenakis in The Wire #136 (June 1995).
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:20:48 +0200
From: Fritz Feger <ffeger@gwdg.de>
Subject: Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise)
>Is there anyone else like Tom Waits? I know this is a dumb thing to ask,
>but are there any other players that come from that old school jazz bad ass
>beat hipster singer / poet direction?
Not quite alike Tom Waits, but coming from jazz-beat-hipster-poet direction
is Kurt Elling. His jazz approach is more new school, and all in all he is
very much more close to the jazz idiom than the oddly instrumented "pirate
songs" of Tom Waits. His voice sounds like a rougher version of Sting's, he
writes, sings themes, scats and speaks, and his lyrics are beatnikish; I
kind of like it.
Has anyone heard Holly Cole performing Tom Wait's songs? I read that she
tours with a complete Waits program, and the critic was enthusiastic about
her interpreting the material. Once I heard a pop album of her and was
disappointed.
Fritz.
- -
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:22:40 -0400
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise)
>>>>> "Fritz" == Fritz Feger <ffeger@gwdg.de> writes:
Fritz> Has anyone heard Holly Cole performing Tom Wait's songs? I
Fritz> read that she tours with a complete Waits program, and the
Fritz> critic was enthusiastic about her interpreting the
Fritz> material. Once I heard a pop album of her and was
Fritz> disappointed.
The Waits album is the only Holly Cole I've got, and think she does
very nice interpretations. She's backed by a piano trio, plus some
guests on various tracks, and the whole thing has a personal,
late-night-at-the-club feel to it. There are some samples from the
album at cdnow.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:26:30 -0400
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise)
>>>>> "Jason" == Jason Tors <jtors@usinteractive.com> writes:
Jason> What is his newer stuff like? Does it hold up to the
Jason> material I have been chruning around in my disc player?
I didn't care for Big Time very much, but Black Rider and Bone Machine
are great. I'm not as familiar with Frank's Wild Years or Swordfish,
but compared to Rain Dogs there is even more use of unusual and varied
instrumentation and vocal effects. They are much closer to Rain Dogs
than the piano-bar Nighthawks.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:46:32 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Miscelaneous
> As far as I know, we can only dream. But there aren't that many degrees
of
> separation, though. There's a Greg Cohen that plays bass on the last 4 or
5
> Waits albums (except "Bone Machine") -- the same Greg Cohen from Masada?
>
> Marc Ribot also plays on "Franks Wild Years."
Yep, Greg and Marc play on Rain Dogs, Frank's Wild Years and Big Time, and
Greg also plays on Heartattack & Vine, One From The Heart,
Swordfishtrombones and Black Rider. I think Brain was on Bone Machine and
Bobby Previte was on Rain Dogs too.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:03:23 +0200
From: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be>
Subject: web-info about Xenakis, Stockhausen,...
Hi everyone,
A few days ago, someone asked where to find info concerning Iannis
Xenakis and other similar composers...
well, a good address to start is a japanese page:
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ER6G-ITU/otherl.htm
hopefully, this will help the person that asked for this info...
- --
Stefan Verstraeten
- -
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:03:25 -0400
From: Jeff Schwartz <jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: New Music in Austin
I will be relocating to Austin TX in about 2 weeks and
would appreciate it if any Texan Zornothologists would
e-mail me concerning-
1. cool music shopping sites in Austin
2. places to hear interesting music there
3. connections for performing (visit my web site below to
see what I'm into)
Thanks for your time!
- --
Jeff Schwartz
jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html
- -
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:32:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: New Music in Austin
On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Jeff Schwartz wrote:
> I will be relocating to Austin TX in about 2 weeks and
> would appreciate it if any Texan Zornothologists would
> e-mail me concerning-
> 1. cool music shopping sites in Austin
> 2. places to hear interesting music there
> 3. connections for performing (visit my web site below to
> see what I'm into)
The moment you hit town, run, do not walk, to 33 Degrees at 4017
Guadelupe. It's the center of the local musical universe for all such
things. Check the Web page at http://www.nd.org/thirty.html
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||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:43:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise)
Nope, just real, hip jazz singers -- Mose Allison, Jon Hendricks, Hoagy
Carmichael. Oscar Browen Jr. Kurt Elling
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Jason Tors wrote:
>
> Is there anyone else like Tom Waits? I know this is a dumb thing to ask,
> but are there any other players that come from that old school jazz bad ass
> beat hipster singer / poet direction?
>
> Thanks!
>
> JT
>
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:21:39 +0000
From: "DURT" <durt@chavin.rcp.net.pe>
Subject: Fripp Eno Zorn
Does anyone can tell me, if it exists, common works by Robert Fripp &
John Zorn?
Does anyone can tell me, if it exists, common works by Brian Eno &
John Zorn?
And both three?
El Duro
- ------
mailto:durt@chavin.rcp.net.pe
- -
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:53:19 -0500
From: Evan Jones <baka@flash.net>
Subject: Austin Music
Hey, does anybody know if the Cherubs are still together while we're
discussing austin music?
Ev.
------------------------
"Ya know, I've watched a lot of horror flicks in my day, and all I have to
say is DON'T MESS AROUND WITH BOOKS IN LATIN WITH PENTAGRAMS ON THEM!!!" -
Ev.
http://www.flash.net/~baka/
- -
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:34:39 -0500
From: Jason Tors <jtors@usinteractive.com>
Subject: t o m W | A | I | T | S bone-machine
I just picked up bone machine. As usual I am thrown off by the album, but
digging it all the same. What track does Les play on, I took a quick look
at the players but I could not find claypool.
Thanks everyone!
JT
- -
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:55:36 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: JMT Distribution
Hey everyone...
What's the story with the JMT discs? I know that Verve was distributing
(or something-ing) them at one point because I saw the Verve symbol on some
of the JMT discs. My question is, are they all out of print? Are some out
of print and others still in print? Should I buy them when I see them? I
ask because I see that Amazon.com and other online CD sellers at least
claim that they have them in stock. Do they have some and won't be able to
reorder?
Also on a similar note, why are only some of the W&W discs available in the
US now? Some seem to be domestic (i.e. Motian and Big Satan) and others
seem to be inports still (i.e. Ducret). Any idea?
Thanks in advance...
Dan
- --------------------------------------
Dan Hewins
hewins@synsolutions.com
http://people.synsolutions.com/hewins/
"No quote"
- -
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Date: 23 Jul 1998 19:23:37 GMT
From: Mike_Chamberlain@babylon.montreal.qc.ca (Mike Chamberlain)
Subject: Re: Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise)
Ken Waxman,cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca,Internet writes:
>Nope, just real, hip jazz singers -- Mose Allison, Jon Hendricks, Hoagy
>Carmichael. Oscar Browen Jr. Kurt Elling
Kurt Elling came immediately to mind. He has a new album out in a few days
on Blue Note. I love "The Messenger," and he knocked me out in concert a
couple of weeks ago. I did a phone interview with him a while back, and he
mentioned that Mark Murphy was a real inspiration for him. He recommended
Murphy's "Kerouac" album, but I haven't got a round tuit yet.
I second the Hoagy Carmichael rec. Get "Hoagy Sings Carmichael." Also, if
you have a sense of humor, check out Al "Jazzbo" Collins doing Steve Allen
material.
- --Mike
On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Jason Tors wrote:
>>
>> Is there anyone else like Tom Waits? I know this is a dumb thing to ask,
>> but are there any other players that come from that old school jazz bad
ass
>> beat hipster singer / poet direction?
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:04:08 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Re: Dumitrescu
Resonance vol 6 no 1 has a very good interview with him by Tim Hodgkinson.
This issue also features interviews with Butch Morris, George Lewis and
John Zorn as well as a CD with tracks from all of them. Excellent
magazine! Available from LMC, Unit 3.6, Third Floor, Lafone House, 11-13
Leathermarket Street, London SE1 3HN.
We're actually gonna reprint the Dumitrescu interview in our late August
issue.
Jason
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:26:42 -0400
From: J Kan <jkan@javanet.com>
Subject: Amherst, MA 7/25/98 (i.e. Saturday)
...for those of you within driving distance of bucolic
Western Massachusetts:
Fire in the Valley 1998
Saturday, July 25
1pm to 11pm
Bezanson Recital Hall,
Fine Arts Center,
U. of Mass, Amherst
1) Peter Broetzmann's Die Like a Dog
-- Broetzmann, Roy Campbell, Hamid Drake, William Parker
2) Joe McPhee Wind & String Ensemble
-- McPhee reeds & brass, Joe Giardullo flute & reeds,
Monica Wilson cello, Rosi Hertlein violin
3) Flaherty/Colbourne
4) Jemeel Moondoc - William Parker Duo
-- Moondoc alto sax, Parker bass
5) Glenn Spearman Trio
-- Spearman tenor sax, with Rashid Bakr & Matt Goodheart
$18 advance at the UMass Fine Arts Center Box Office
(413) 545-2511 or (800) 999-UMAS, or
$20 at the door
I'm not personally affiliated with this event, etc. The usual
disclaimers apply. Please disregard if unable to attend.
Jim
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:42:29 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: JMT Distribution
Dan Hewins wrote:
> What's the story with the JMT discs? [snip] My question is, are they all
> out of print?
No. But most are, by now.
> Are some out of print and others still in print?
Yes.
> Should I buy them when I see them?
Probably.
> I ask because I see that Amazon.com and other online CD sellers at least
> claim that they have them in stock. Do they have some and won't be able to
> reorder?
When I looked at Amazon earlier today it seemed that a number of the JMTs they
had in stock were imports selling for considerably more money. As always, my
rule of thumb remains, if you see it and you want it bad, buy it because there
might never be a second chance (Art Ensemble of Chicago "Certain Blacks" --
anyone seen it lately, since I missed my chance in '87?).
> Also on a similar note, why are only some of the W&W discs available in the
> US now? Some seem to be domestic (i.e. Motian and Big Satan) and others
> seem to be inports still (i.e. Ducret). Any idea?
W&W's American distributor, Allegro, is issuing the discs at the rate of 3-4
per month. Back catalog is being rolled out alongside new releases. This is
why everyone else in the world has the new Dave Douglas CD but the U.S. has to
wait until an arbitrarily chosen date in mid-August. But I'm not
complaining... at least Big Satan is available at last, as is Uri Caine's
amazing Mahler disc. (There's an incredibly astute review of the latter in the
September issue of Jazz Times, believe it or not. Read it at the news stand.)
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:46:02 -0400
From: "Chris Barrett" <cbarrett@neaq.org>
Subject: Yet More Tom Waits
Since this seems to be a relevant topic, and there seem to be lots of Waits
fans on the list, I got this from MTV online, of all places:
Tom Waits Signs With Epitaph, Looks To
Primus For Help On New Album
Tom Waits
It's finally official. Gravel-throated
barroom poet
and overall cult legend Tom Waits has
inked a deal
with California indie punk record
label Epitaph that
will see the singer release an album
of new material
early next year.
"It's a label run by and for artists
and musicians
where it feels much more like a
partnership than a
plantation," Waits said of the
seemingly unlikely
union in a statement issued late
Wednesday. "I feel
like I am part of a unique enterprise
that runs like a
muscle car."
The singer is currently holed up in a
Northern
California studio working with
guitarist Mark
Ribot, bassist/guitarist Larry Taylor,
bassist Greg
Cohen, and drummer Steven Hodges, the same
team that worked with Waits on 1985's "Rain
Dogs" and 1983's "Swordfishtrombones."
Waits is
also expected to bring Primus into the
studio to
work on the album, which should arrive
in early
1999. The collaboration may be a bit
of payback for
Waits' guest appearance on Primus'
1991 album
"Sailing the Seas of Cheese."
The upcoming album will be Waits' first new
recording since 1994's "Black Rider."
Over the past
several years, Waits' legacy has lived
on through
re-issues and compilations of his
earlier work, like
the recently released "Beautiful
Maladies: the Island
Years" which has been drawing rave reviews.
The Epitaph deal, which is for one
album only, has
been in the works for quite sometime,
with rumors
flying all the while. However, nothing
was official
until Waits sat down with Epitaph head
Brett
Gurewitz recently.
"We shook on the deal over coffee at a
truck stop,"
Waits said. "I know it's going to be
an adventure,
and as Warren Oates said, 'It feels
good. I think
we'll take it all the way.'"
Waits now joins an Epitaph roster that
also includes
punk torchbearers like Rancid,
Pennywise, Voodoo
Glow Skulls, and Descendents.
For more on Tom Waits and Primus, check out
the MTV News Gallery.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:47:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Goldberg et al.
Tony Reif wrote...
>
>As far as something misssing in Ben's music in general, do people feel
>the same about his contributions to Light at the Crossroads? IMHO he's
>right up there with Marty.
>
Yeah, I would agree he's "up there with Marty" as far as his abilities on
the horn go, and I might even go so far as to say that he's got the most
distinctive voice of all the clarinet players I'm listening to right now
(haven't heard Houle yet though...might have to take that back when I
finally get around to picking up the Carter record).
And speaking of Goldberg, I should mention one of his albums that I
brought up here a couple of days ago and have been listening to pretty
ravenously since its release Tuesday, "Twelve Minor". I had originally
heard this described as "a New Klezmer Trio concept expended for sextet",
which is a reasonably decent description...while a large portion of the
NKT's repitoire was traditional klez tunes that they proceeded to blow the
crap out of, all the compositions on here are Goldberg's; they retain
vague nuances of the scales and harmonies I hear in Jewish music, while
avoiding any blatant "harmonic minor in yo' face" action. The band is Ben
(clarinets), Rob Sudduth (tenor sax), Carla Kihlstedt (violin), Miya
Masaoko (koto), Trevor Dunn (bass), and Kenny Wollesen (drums). Everyone
sounds really nice and gets a chance to stretch out both in solo spots and
in slamming free-jazz blasting sessions. Admittedly, a lot of Miya's
playing is pretty buried (or maybe she's just laying out) during the
rowdier portions, but when Ben, Rob, and Carla quit and it's just Trevor
and Kenny chattering along, she'll come from out of nowhere and play
something totally perfect. The first track on here is entitled "Statement
of Themes on Contra-Alto Clarinet" and that's exactly what it is. It
really gets me cause it's totally what Goldberg does...all the little
nuances of his playing are just thrown into stark relief on this solo
piece. All in all, an excellent record, one of my favorite Avant releases
by far.
I saw a Miya Masaoko/George Lewis duet record at Tower yesterday...anybody
heard this? I've always been partial to the t-bone, and this new koto
fascination has got me really interested in checking this one out...
- -
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