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Zorn List Digest Saturday, July 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 420
In this issue:
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Braxton Compositions as Repertoire
What is free jazz?
Re: What is free jazz?
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #419
An advisory from CD Connection...
Rainforest IV at Lincoln Center
naked city video.
Naked City
The latest website from KnitMedia
Rituals
next Zorn purchases?
Jon
Re: next Zorn purchases?
Re: next Zorn purchases?
Re: Jon
visionfest 97
Recent Canadian Zorn performances...
looking for these
VICTO festival members
Re: Recent Canadian Zorn performances...
Re: VICTO festival members
Re: VICTO festival members
Re: Recent Canadian Zorn performances...
recent goodies
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:27:34 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Joaqu=EDn_Villaverde_Mart=EDnez?=" <j-villaverde@mx3.redestb.es>
Subject: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire
>One of the New York Composer's Orchestra discs has a Braxton composition on
it
>(can't, off hand, remember which album or which composition).
First program in standard time (New World 80418-2)
Composition 92 + (30, 32, 139) + (108c, 108d)
>I think ROVA
>have recorded some outiside of the collaborative album,
The Aggregate: Anthony Braxton & Rova Saxophone quartet
Composition 129
plus two tracks by Ochs and Raskin.
Other Braxton Compositions:
Composition 40(q): James Cartet: Conversin┤ with the elders
Composition B-40/RS-4-W/M23-6K: Dave Holland: Emerald tears
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:35:14 +0200
From: "Felix" <jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: What is free jazz?
I understand that the question is kind of akward. What I'm looking for are
answers to where are the boundaries that define this as free jazz and that
as not are. I mean, is Elegy free jazz? Or is it undefinable? Is Masada
really free jazz, with all those structures and themes? Or is free jazz
limited to what the likes of Coleman, Coltrane or Sun Ra do/did? Can
experimental noise be considered free jazz?
Just looking for some enlightenment...
Felix
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:55:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: What is free jazz?
On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Felix wrote:
> I understand that the question is kind of akward. What I'm looking for are
> answers to where are the boundaries that define this as free jazz and that
> as not are. I mean, is Elegy free jazz? Or is it undefinable? Is Masada
> really free jazz, with all those structures and themes? Or is free jazz
> limited to what the likes of Coleman, Coltrane or Sun Ra do/did? Can
> experimental noise be considered free jazz?
ekkhard jost's book "free jazz" is an excellent *musical* discussion
on the pioneers of free jazz, and actually delves headfirst into the
music itself and dissects difficult free classics like cecil taylor's
"unit structures." he goes to great lengths to study the shift in jazz
history from the reigning hard bop of the 50's to miles' and mingus'
experimentation with modal scales in the early 60's to the full-on free
jazz of taylor, sun ra, ornette coleman, archie shepp, john coltrane,
pharoah sanders, etc.
unlike other great books which discuss free music, jost doesn't concern
himself so much with biographical details and cultural forces, as he does
theory. this makes it a much drier read than say, "as serious as your
life" or "the freedom principle" but very enlightening nonetheless.
b
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:17:15 -0400
From: Dan Given <dlgiven@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #419
>Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:40:09 PDT
>From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Re[2]: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire
>Two examples of Braxton interpreted I don't think have been mentioned:
>1. Barry Guy's LJCO (w/ Brax guesting, I think): ZURICH CONCERT
This one is as much a Braxton album as many of his large ensemble works on
which he only conducts. The second disc is Braxton conducting his own
music. Oddly enough, it is probably my least favorite LJCO recording.
Barry Guy writes specifically for his musicians, much like Ellington did.
The Braxton material is for anybody, so it doesn't take advantage of the
band as well as Guy's compositions do.
Dan
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:56:46 GMT
From: al.t@mtnhdw.com (Al T)
Subject: An advisory from CD Connection...
Found while browsing for tunes:
People who enjoy the music of Material may also enjoy, in order of probability,
the music of
Steve Tibbetts, David Torn, Naked City, Sonny Sharrock, Ginger Baker, Arcana,
John Zorn,
Praxis, Zillatron, Terje Rypdal, Hector Zazou, Trisan, Marc Ribot, James
Blood Ulmer, Nicky
Skopelitis.
Al T.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:50:06 -0400
From: David Beardsley <xouoxno@virtulink.com>
Subject: Rainforest IV at Lincoln Center
Lincoln Center Festival 98
A 25th Year Anniversary Installation of:
David Tudor's
Rainforest IV
(An Electroacoustic Environment)
Realized by : Composers Inside Electronics
John D.S. Adams, Paul DeMarinis, John Driscoll, Phil Edelstein, Linda
Fisher, D'Arcy Philip Gray, Ralph Jones, Ron Kuivila, Ben Manley, and
Matt Rogalsky
Clark Studio Theater - Lincoln Center
The Rose Building (7th Flr.)
165 W. 65th St. NYC
******************
Tickets: $8
(212) 721-6500
Internet: www.lincolncenter.org
Box Office: Avery Fisher Hall
65th St. and Broadway
******************
Performances:
Wednesday July 15 (4 - 8pm)
Thursday July 16 (5 - 8pm)
Friday July 17 (5 - 8pm)
Saturday July 18 (12 - 8 pm)
Sunday July 19 (12 - 8 pm)
******************
Performances are continuous without intermission. The audience is
invited to move freely among the sculptures.
******************
Produced by:
Lincoln Center Festival 98 in collaboration with Lincoln Center
Institute, with the co-operation of Shadow Interactive Inc.
Lincoln Center Festival 98 is made possible in part with public funds
from The Council of the City of New York, New York State Council on the
Arts, and the National Endowment for the Arts.
- --
* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
* xouoxno@virtulink.com
*
* J u x t a p o s i t i o n E z i n e
* M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor
*
* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:51:34 -0500
From: jtalbot@massart.edu
Subject: naked city video.
i have a copy of the naked city marquee show and also naked city on finnish
tv. any one interested please respond privately. thanks
jason
jtalbot@massart.edu
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:13:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase)
Subject: Naked City
I've got a copy of the Naked City VHS Vid from the Marquee but the
screen jumps when I play it in my VCR. I am in love with the
performance and would like to get another copy of the vid. Has anyone
sent "International Transfers" $25 and received the vid? If so, do you
need a order-form?
- -Theodorus
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:21:08 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: The latest website from KnitMedia
Bit of a shocker, no?
http://www.incusrecords.com/
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:45:21 CEST
From: "Ma Meeshka Mow" <skwoz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Rituals
Hello,
yesterday I made a 300 miles trip to Mⁿnchen (Munich) to see
the premiere of John Zorn's "Rituals".
Here is the schedule:
Music for Children (1996) violin, piano, drums
Dark River (1995) two drums
excerpts "Rugby" from "Play Games" (1983) conductor, sax, reeds, bass,
guitar, drums
break
Rituals (1998) for voice and ten players
- - violin
- - violincello
- - bass
- - flute
- - clarinet
- - bassoon
- - reeds
- - keyboard instrument
- - two drums
The first and last pieces sounded like an imitation of contemporary
musicians like Varese, Kargel etc..
Not very inventive.
One percussionist was swinging a wooden stick fixed at a rope over his
head in order to make sounds like wind. I was very exhausting for him.
You could see that his head was becoming red. Hehehe.
But he got an applause during the scene!
"Dark River" was a boring piece by two players playing two
big bassdrums. Sounded like arbitrary banging of the sets.
OK, there was a notation on sheets, but this doesn't make
music more intellectual.
Compared to Novelus it was pretty bad.
Highlight was the 7 minute piece from Rugby.
A game piece as usual.
If somebody wants to trade (I DAT taped it), please email me privatly
Bye
Frank
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:39:13 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
Subject: next Zorn purchases?
I know this gets asked almost every month, but it's finally my turn -- the
neighborhood music store had the following Zorn discs used:
- - Locus Solus
- - Absinthe
- - The Book of Heads
- - The Art of Memory
- - Kristallnacht
- - Elegy
- - Yankees
- - Downtown Lullaby
What do they sound like? Which to get first?
I'm not the biggest fan of "Cobra," but everything else I like. =) Please
reply privately (not to the list) if it's not going to clog up the
servers...
Later,
Ben
np: masada, "netivot"
http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:56:34 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Jon
My friend heard Jon on the radio and decided that he HAD to get it. He
just cam back from a trip where he purchased Jon / Smoke and I listened to
it last night.
This disc is like no other. I thought, based on the pictures and the
voice, that this was some 10 year old kid who happend to be a good organ
player. I just checked out the Tzadik site and read that Jon is a woman.
While listening, I coudn't decide whether to laugh or be amazed, or both,
or neither... I left the listening confused. I want to know if the
japanese titles and english titles are good translations or translations at
all. Also, a transcripyion of the lyrics may prove to be interesting.
Some of the song titles are: "supper," "pillow," "sweets," "don't dig
there," "if I grow up, then what?" I wonder a lot of things about this
disc. It's apparently recorded on a handheld cassete recorder.
In any case, some of my friends and I have decided to write 23 silly little
poems inspired by Jon. What?
Dan
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:08:22 -0400
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: next Zorn purchases?
"Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com> asked about:
- - Absinthe
Dark ambient, unrecognizable instruments, unsettled atmospheres.
Sounds like nothing else in Zorn's oeuvre, AFAIK. The only Naked City
album my wife will tolerate.
- - Kristallnacht
- - Elegy
Classical chamber works, composed, both rather short. Kristallnacht
has the famous breaking glass section, which comes with a consumer
warning. Neither of these are as minimal as Redbird or Duras, nor as
jumpcut or rockish as some of the film works (many of which are
improvised). Can't compare them to Angelus.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:24:31 +0200 (MET DST)
From: FJG_Lamerikx <flamerik@best.ms.philips.com>
Subject: Re: next Zorn purchases?
> - Absinthe
>
> Dark ambient, unrecognizable instruments, unsettled atmospheres.
> Sounds like nothing else in Zorn's oeuvre, AFAIK. The only Naked City
> album my wife will tolerate.
That surprises me given the somewhat seismic nature of one of the tracks...
Frankco.
- -
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:28:14 +0200
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Jon
> My friend heard Jon on the radio and decided that he HAD to get it. He
> just cam back from a trip where he purchased Jon / Smoke and I listened to
> it last night.
> This disc is like no other. I thought, based on the pictures and the
> voice, that this was some 10 year old kid who happend to be a good organ
> player. I just checked out the Tzadik site and read that Jon is a woman.
> While listening, I coudn't decide whether to laugh or be amazed, or both,
> or neither...
You got to see her live !
-
- -
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:06:41 -0400
From: Alan E Kayser <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: visionfest 97
A true bargain is the new AUM Fidelity VisionFest '97 2cd set.
Outstanding performances from everyone, including William Parker's
Little Huey and a Zorn duet. Great choices by Steven Joerg and the
Parkers.
Just picked up the new 3cd Peter Brotzmann Octet/Tentet on Okka. This
is a killer, featuring the DKV Trio guys (Hamid Drake, Ken Vandermark,
Kent Kessler), Mars Williams, Jeb Bishop, Mats Gustaffson, et al. Not
to be missed!!!
If you are lucky enough to be in a town on the DKV tour, be sure to see
these guys. Great music, and talent deserving wider recognition. Nice
guys, too. Also, lots of cds to buy, including the Brotzmann.
For those of you in the Philadelphia area, Sweetnighter Productions will
be presenting Bobby Zankel, William Parker, and Susie Ibarra at the
Baltimore Cafe (4527 Baltimore Ave) on Friday, July 24. Shows are at 8
& 10. E-mail me for more information. And thanks to all the supporters
of Sweetnighter. And to Steve J. and Tadd for coming down from New York
for the DKV show.
Alan E Kayser
Sweetnighter Productions
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:03:39 PDT
From: "Brad Elsie" <b__elsie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Recent Canadian Zorn performances...
Anyone attend Zorn gigs at Victoriaville or Painkiller at the Montreal
Jazz festival? I'd like to know what I missed. Thanks.
Brad
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:06:31 -0500
From: jtalbot@massart.edu
Subject: looking for these
did anyone happen to record or have a copy of any of these? please respond
privately. thanks
jtalbot@massart.edu
1. FRI. JUNE 26 -- JOHN ZORN'S NIGHT OF RADICAL IMPROVISATIONS 9 PM
CREATIVE TIME IN THE ANCHORAGE 98
[music, films, performance inside the Brooklyn Bridge
John Zorn gathers a group of experimental musicians for an evening
of radical acoustic improvisation including Mike Patton formerly of Faith
No More, Min Xiao-Fen with Derek Bailey, Cyro Baptista's "Beat the
Donkey," and legendary free jazz percussionist Milford Graves.]
2. SATURDAY JUNE 27TH Mike Patton @ TONIC
3. THE VOORUIT ARTS CENTRE (Ghent, Belgium,Europe) . Mike Patton in
concert with Han Bennink.
4. Mike Patton and Masam (sic) Akita's Extreme Noise Terror at Joey's.
Melbourne. 1997?
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:09:09 -0500
From: jtalbot@massart.edu
Subject: VICTO festival members
can anyone tell me who the members of mike patton's ensemble were at the victo
festival earlier this summer? thanks
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:45:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Recent Canadian Zorn performances...
Vic'ville:
Zorn Chamber Group --pastiche of earlier classical composers --but more
intesting than the Mike Patton pastiche (with soem of the same musicians
that came the next day).
Zorn(as)-Patton(turnt)-Ikue Mori(el d) --was an intereting improvisation,
but Patton was still the weakest link.
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Brad Elsie wrote:
> Anyone attend Zorn gigs at Victoriaville or Painkiller at the Montreal
> Jazz festival? I'd like to know what I missed. Thanks.
>
> Brad
>
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>
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:50:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: VICTO festival members
From memory:
Jim Pugliese (perc)
William Winant (perc)
Mark Feldman (vi)
Anthony Coleman (p, turnt)
Erik Friedlander (cel)
great musicians reading (i.e. no improvisation) a second-rate score
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 jtalbot@massart.edu wrote:
>
> can anyone tell me who the members of mike patton's ensemble were at the victo
> festival earlier this summer? thanks
>
>
> -
>
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:05:16 EDT
From: <JonAbbey2@aol.com>
Subject: Re: VICTO festival members
In a message dated 7/17/98 2:06:07 PM, jtalbot@massart.edu wrote:
<<can anyone tell me who the members of mike patton's ensemble were at the
victo festival earlier this summer?>>
Mark Feldman, Erik Friedlander, Jim Pugliese, David Shea and William Winant
are the listed personnel in the program but I don't think Shea was actually
there.
Jon
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:11:01 EDT
From: <JonAbbey2@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Canadian Zorn performances...
In a message dated 7/17/98 5:47:42 PM, cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca wrote:
<<Vic'ville: Zorn Chamber Group --pastiche of earlier classical composers
- --but more intesting than the Mike Patton pastiche (with soem of the same
musicians
that came the next day).>>
well, I thought the Patton show was more interesting. he at least had an early
Nurse With Wound collage type sound going whereas Zorn's set sounded very
forced to me. neither of the sets was among the seven or eight best in the
festival, however.
<<Zorn(as)-Patton(turnt)-Ikue Mori(el d) --was an intereting improvisation,
but Patton was still the weakest link.>>
agreed, although Zorn's squawking to quiet breathiness to squawking routine
got old pretty quickly too.
Jon
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:37:33 -0400
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: recent goodies
It's a slow summer for new music so far, but I have acquired two new ones
which might be of interest.
David Slusser, Delight at the End of the Tunnel (Tzadik). A stunningly
wide variety of different kinds of music, from big band jazz to an
accordion piece (somewhat like Pauline Oliveros, who was an inspiration for
this particular piece) to collage works, I never knew where this album was
going next. Not exactly genre hopping like some of JZ's work because the
genres didn't pre-exist before this album. I decided to try this based on
the sample at the Tzadik site, and I don't regret it at all.
Kaija Saariaho, Private Gardens (Ondine). Four works for tape and
instruments (soprano, cello, flute, and percussion), all characterized by
very subtle electronics and virtuoso explorations of the instruments. More
classical than really experimental, a worthwhile exploration of new sounds.
I've also been reading Edward Strickland's _Minimalism: Origins_ (Indiana
University Press). Only half of the book is devoted to music, and that
half covers Young, Riley, Reich, and Glass almost exclusively. The book is
academic in tone, and assumes a fairly decent knowledge of the avant-garde
musical environment of the 1960s (Cage and Feldman are mentioned, although
Strickland places them in the Abstract Expressionist camp rather than
minimalist), but it encouraged me to get out Riley's In C, and Reich's
Drumming and tape works, as well as giving me new ears for JZ's Duras. I
was surprised how well In C and Drumming had aged, and I'd recommend the
book for a nice academic overview.
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