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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #419
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Zorn List Digest Monday, July 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 419
In this issue:
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Marc Ribot
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #418
Re: Marc Ribot
Re[2]: Marc Ribot
Naked City
Re: Marc Ribot
Re: Naked City
Re: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire
Re: Ruins
Re[2]: Zorn List Digest V2 #418
Re[2]: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire
Re: Re[2]: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire
naked city video
Re: naked city video
Anthony Braxton's Greatest Hits
(Re)Soundings schedule
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:49:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase)
Subject: Marc Ribot
Has anyone heard this new Marc Ribot CD?
Very, very Latin, but don't let that frighten you.
You can give it a listen at cdnow.com if you have a moment. I think
it's even on sale.
p.s. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Naked City live on VHS.
A big thanks if you could contact me privately.
(vlad-drac@webtv.com)
- -Theodorus
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:51:30 -0400
From: Dan Given <dlgiven@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #418
>From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
>Subject: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire
>My general question: aside from the Debris/Scatter release, 'Jump or
>Die' from a few years back, this is (I think) the first I've heard of
>people in the jazz/new music community tackling a small portion of
>Braxton's large body of work (apart from some hat ART performances of
>his notated work, like the Hidegard Kleeb 4CD set; I haven't heard
>this--anybody?). Roscoe Mitchell performed a "march" on one record and
>it wouldn't surprise me if a band like Either/Orchestra has attempted
>some Braxton on occasion, but you would think that, considering the
>number of 'standards' abounding on every other disc, that Braxton covers
>would be everywhere, both jazzier things (like Side One, Cuts One +
>Three from 'New York, Fall, 1974') and items like the hat[now]ART date
>above. Are there other obvious examples I'm blanking on?
>
>For that matter, though covers of Coltrane and Ornette are common enough
>(though I'm not sure if the world needs yet more versions of 'Naima' and
>'Lonely Woman' ;^)), I can't think of very many examples of the same for
>compositions of the AACM and post-AACM period. E/O recorded 'Odwalla'
>(the 'Naima' of the AEC?) and perhaps others have done Hemphill's 'The
>Hard Blues' but I'd have thought that, by now, such would be as common
>as 'Body and Soul'. Perhaps there's the idea that these compositions are
>too closely tied to their originators, but the example of the Braxton
>release shows that there is, potentially, a huge lode to mine. Wouldn't
>it be interesting to hear a younger ensemble re-investigate , for
>example, 'Conquistador!'? Again, if I'm missing any blatant examples,
>let me know.
>
I'm one who would, out of curiosity, probably pick up any project that
attempted to tackle Braxton's music, but I can't really think of many. One
of the New York Composer's Orchestra discs has a Braxton composition on it
(can't, off hand, remember which album or which composition). I think ROVA
have recorded some outiside of the collaborative album, and I also think
that the Vienna Art Orchestra may have recorded a piece or two. I don't
have the ROVA or VAO, but am sure they exist.
As for why nobody tackles this stuff: I can see why the large ensemble
pieces are more popular, because they seem more structured, therefore
easier to adapt. I think it would be difficult to take any of the post
1984/85 era quartet compositions, that are generally played in collage with
others, and record it as a singular entity. And I question how many people
outside of those who have played this material with Braxton would really
know what pieces would go together. Many of the 70s small group
compositions, however, do seem like more self contained 'jazz'
compositions, and those should be entering the canon of standards by now.
The Art Ensemble stuff seems a bit too...shall we say 'loose' or
'unstructured' for anyone else to take on. The question of where does the
composition begin and end, and what is improv? arises. Same with the early
Braxton material. The real meat of it is in the playing, not the composing.
As for who should do it: who knows. I think I would like to hear Lee
Konitz interpret some of the solo pieces, Franz Koglmann can have the large
ensembles. The quartet pieces--how about Clusone 3. That might work.
Or maybe Zorn can do an album, with varying ensembles, Big Gundown style : ).
Dan
- -
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:58:41 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: Marc Ribot
>Has anyone heard this new Marc Ribot CD?
>Very, very Latin, but don't let that frighten you.
At times he sounds like Santana on this disc. Very interesting...
I like it. It's definitely worth checking out. Medeski and A. Coleman
appear on organ on the disc too.
Dan
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 15:21:06 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Marc Ribot
>>Has anyone heard this new Marc Ribot CD?
>>Very, very Latin, but don't let that frighten you.
>At times he sounds like Santana on this disc. Very interesting...
>I like it. It's definitely worth checking out. Medeski and A. Coleman
>appear on organ on the disc too.
Haven't heard the disc yet, but caught Ribot at Tonic the other night
with, more or less, the Postisos band and they were pretty smoking.
Coleman and bassist Mark Helias were subbing for his regulars (I
forget who) and turned in workmanlike efforts (Coleman keeping his
Casio on the cheesiest stop throughout), but Ribot and drummer Roberto
Rodriguez were very, very impressive. I hadn't, to my knowledge, heard
Rodriguez before, but he tore the place up, laying out complex Latin
grooves with the imagination of someone like Andrew Cyrille; love to
hear him again.
Ribot's wry humor, both in his playing and 'leading', was quite
winning.
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:48:33 EDT
From: <TagYrIt@aol.com>
Subject: Naked City
In a message dated 98-07-13 14:51:44 EDT, you write:
<<
p.s. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Naked City live on VHS.
A big thanks if you could contact me privately. >>
I tried to locate this also....if anyone knows, please forward the email to me
as well.
Thanks! Dale.
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:50:48 EDT
From: <TagYrIt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Marc Ribot
In a message dated 98-07-13 15:02:45 EDT, you write:
<< Medeski.....appear(s) on organ on the disc too. >>
I'm glad I didn't know this in advance, or I probably wouldn't have bought it.
Dale.
- -
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:12:22 -0500
From: Rusty Crump <dmcrump@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
Subject: Re: Naked City
>> p.s. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Naked City live on VHS.
>> A big thanks if you could contact me privately. >>
>
>I tried to locate this also....
I'd like to get this too, if authorized video exists. (This seems so
on-topic -- shouldn't anyone with answers post them to the list rather than
private email?)
Rusty Crump
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:08:45 -0700
From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia)
Subject: Re: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire
>Yeah, but it's taking so long because Marcus Roberts can't find a Music
>Minus One record to study for the piano solos.
>
Ouch.
- -
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:15:46 +0000
From: "m. rizzi" <rizzi@netcom.com> (by way of Simon Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Ruins
>Speaking of the Ruins, could anyone offer a review of the new Derek and Ruins
>CD.
>-Eric
You might like to check out the soundfile-accompanied Derek and the Ruins
review on the ---+motion website at
http://www.state51.co.uk/motion/
Cheers
simon hopkins
associate member of the state51 conspiracy
[latest reviews on ---+motion include: Lounge Lizards, Jurassic 5, Min
Xiao-Fen, V/A - Chinese Whispers, Max Brennan, Caj Bojsen-Maller, Baby
Mammoth, Aranos, Joe & Mat Maneri, Mass]
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 15:52:18 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Zorn List Digest V2 #418
Dan wrote:
>I'm one who would, out of curiosity, probably pick up any project that
>attempted to tackle Braxton's music, but I can't really think of many. One
>of the New York Composer's Orchestra discs has a Braxton composition on it
>(can't, off hand, remember which album or which composition).
Yep, the 'First Program in Standard Time' album; forgot that one.
>As for why nobody tackles this stuff: I can see why the large ensemble
>pieces are more popular, because they seem more structured, therefore
>easier to adapt. I think it would be difficult to take any of the post
>1984/85 era quartet compositions, that are generally played in collage
>with others, and record it as a singular entity. And I question how many
>people outside of those who have played this material with Braxton would
>really know what pieces would go together.
Well, Splatter/Debris made an admirable effort on "Jump or Die'. I was
especially pleased that they took AB's expressed desire that _any_ of his
pieces could be performed in _any_ combination simultaneously (one of the
more adventurous strategies I've come across) and went with it. For all the
name-checking Braxton receives, you'd just think that you'd hear his music
performed by others more often. I don't think any of the performers on the
Lange arrangements had played with him before (?) but, I would guess,
simply by treating the score as they would any other contemporary piece,
they were able to wring some beautiful music out of it that, I imagine,
Braxton would never have gotten around to. Hopefully, it's the beginning of
further explorations.
>Many of the 70s small group compositions, however, do seem like more self
>contained 'jazz' compositions, and those should be entering the canon of
>standards by now.
Exactly. This surprises me more than the above. I'm speaking as a
non-musician, but were I one, I couldn't resist biting into those
tasty boppish numbers from the 70's at the very least...!
>The Art Ensemble stuff seems a bit too...shall we say 'loose' or
>'unstructured' for anyone else to take on. The question of where does the
>composition begin and end, and what is improv? arises. Same with the early
>Braxton material. The real meat of it is in the playing, not the
>composing.
Hmmmm...again, as above, I could see myself ripping through
'Ohnedaruth' or 'Theme de Yo-Yo'! Tackling something like 'The
Spiritual', on the other hand, might be over-reaching, but what the
hell!
>As for who should do it: who knows. I think I would like to hear Lee
>Konitz interpret some of the solo pieces, Franz Koglmann can have the
>large ensembles. The quartet pieces--how about Clusone 3. That might
>work.
>Or maybe Zorn can do an album, with varying ensembles, Big Gundown style : ).
Mmmmm...if we can only get him to convert....
Brian Olewnick
- -
- -
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:53:13 -0500
From: Joe Germuska <j-germuska@nwu.edu>
Subject: Re[2]: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire
Hm. By no means blatant, but Dave Holland does a Braxton composition on
his solo album "Emerald Tears" (ECM) It's a great album. The title is the
illustration, and I haven't cross-referenced it to my "Forces in Motion,"
so I can't say which composition.
Steam, a Chicago quartet (Vandermark/Kessler/Baker/Mulvenna) have done
Composition No. 40 live.
Y'all do know that _Branford_ Marsalis is doing A&R for Columbia, and one
of his first artists is David S. Ware? Yup...
I do remember the Rova project to perform Coltrane's "Ascension" drawing a
lot of slings and arrows from the improv community, who felt that it was
too close to what Wynton does.
I'm not ideological about it -- I'm fine with the idea of artists working
on other people's compositions; in fact, I think it's got some very
interesting potential...
Some of those SST jazz groups covered interesting material from the freer
side of jazz -- "Universal Congress Of" and "Hotel X" do stuff by Ronald
Shannon Jackson, Pharoah Sanders, and several others. Mixed results, but
I've found some interesting material from both groups. I have less
tolerance for the vocals on UCO recordings, but it's still got good gritty
energy, and the one time I saw them live was an excellent show.
just some random thoughts...
joe
- --
* Joe Germuska {j-germuska@nwu.edu} | Learning Technologies Group
<http://www.nwu.edu/people/j-germuska> | Northwestern University
"The imaginary is that which tends to become real." -- Andr=E9 Breton
- -
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:40:09 PDT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire
Two examples of Braxton interpreted I don't think have been mentioned:
1. Barry Guy's LJCO (w/ Brax guesting, I think): ZURICH CONCERT
2. James Carter : CONVERSIN' WITH THE ELDERS (sans Brax, avec Hamiet
Bluiett [sp?]) -- a Braxton march, forgot which number (ha)
I haven't either one of these, and I've only heard the James Carter
cover, but since he's SUPER FAMOUS, I thought it might be relevant. I
for one am not partial to Carter's approach, although he sounds good to
me on the Hemphill sax ensemble records. FWIW. IMHO. RSVP.
- --scott
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:49:50 PDT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: naked city video
Thanks to patrice, this info has been on the web for a while (check the
videography at the end of his goliathan JZ mediography):
NAKED CITY AT THE MARQUEE CLUB, NYC: 4/9/92 - 120 min. video - 9 (filmed
right after RADIO session)
Available for $25.00 at:
International Transfers
P.O. Box 313
Revere, MA 02151
USA.
I haven't tried this but I thought ya'll who didn't know would want to.
- --scott
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Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:02:24 EDT
From: <TagYrIt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: naked city video
In a message dated 98-07-13 20:57:26 EDT, you write:
<<
Thanks to patrice, this info has been on the web for a while (check the
videography at the end of his goliathan JZ mediography):
NAKED CITY AT THE MARQUEE CLUB, NYC: 4/9/92 - 120 min. video - 9 (filmed
right after RADIO session)
Available for $25.00 at:
International Transfers
P.O. Box 313
Revere, MA 02151
USA.
>>
I wrote to the above "people" months ago about the Naked City and Ornette
Coleman videos and never received any reply whatsoever. Any other ideas?
Dale.
- -
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:36:05 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Anthony Braxton's Greatest Hits
brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
> >Many of the 70s small group compositions, however, do seem like more self
> >contained 'jazz' compositions, and those should be entering the canon of
> >standards by now.
>
> Exactly. This surprises me more than the above. I'm speaking as a
> non-musician, but were I one, I couldn't resist biting into those
> tasty boppish numbers from the 70's at the very least...!
Yup. As I mentioned to Brian privately last night, James Carter "covered"
Composition 40Q on his last album, "Conversin' with the Elders." That's a
promising start, but there would seem to be far too few young lions with tastes as
far-reaching as Carter's (though I can't claim to have been impressed with his
output across the board)...
As I was listening to the Willisau box last Saturday, I made note that quite a
number of the tunes worked as "tunes," easily coverable by other artists. Most
all of those that caught my attention in this manner were from the 23 and 40
series of quartet music.
> >The Art Ensemble stuff seems a bit too...shall we say 'loose' or
> >'unstructured' for anyone else to take on. [snip]
>
> Hmmmm...again, as above, I could see myself ripping through
> 'Ohnedaruth' or 'Theme de Yo-Yo'! Tackling something like 'The
> Spiritual', on the other hand, might be over-reaching, but what the
> hell!
Now I suddenly remember a concert in which Tim Berne and Marty Ehrlich played
duos. At one point Marty announced they were playing their one "big hit cover
version" of the evening, then promptly bounded into the spiky challenge of
"NoNaah."
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:19:42 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: (Re)Soundings schedule
Thought there might be some interest in the schedule for the (Re)Soundings
festival which will be in Atlanta. I wrote a preview for a local paper but
won't post it here since most everybody probably knows the info. LT
(Re)Soundings Schedule - Full
Thurday, July 16, 8:00pm Walter Hill Auditorium, High Museum
(CONCERT 1)
LEO SMITH QUARTET, featuring Smith (trumpet), Harumi Makino
Smith (poetry), Adam Rudolph (percussion) and Dwight Andrews
(reeds)
ALEXANDER von SCHLIPPENBACH QUARTET, featuring
Schlippenbach(piano), Evan Parker(saxophone), Reggie
Workman(bass) and Paul Lytton(drums)
FRED ANDERSON w/DKV TRIO featuring Anderson (tenor sax), Ken
Vandermark (reeds), Kent Kessler (bass) and Hamid
Drake (drums)
A film of Peter Brotzmann's 50th birthday party concert will
be shown afterwards.
- --------------------------------------------------------
Friday, July 17, 2:00pm Renaissance Hotel Penthouse
PANEL DISCUSSION ON CREATIVE MUSIC with John Corbett, Andrew
Cyrille, Leo Smith, George Lewis and other writers, artists,
etc.
- ---------------------------------------------------------
Friday, JULY 17, 8:00PM Walter Hill Auditorium, High Museum
(CONCERT 2)
GEORGE LEWIS VOYAGER PROJECT, featuring Lewis
(trombone,computer), Evan Parker(saxophones) and Roscoe
Mitchell(saxophones)
PETER BROTZMANN TRIO, featuring Brotzmann (saxophones),
Hamid Drake(drums) and Fred Hopkins(bass)
TRIO THREE ,featuring Andrew Cyrille (drums), Oliver
Lake(alto) and Reggie Workman (bass)
After the concert, Michael Snow's film <I>New York Eye and
Ear Control</I> will be shown.
- --------------------------------------------------------
Saturday JULY 18 Cannon Chapel Emory University Campus,
11:00AM
MUSIC WORKSHOP featuring various artists from (Re)Soundings
Festival
- --------------------------------------------------------
Saturday, JULY 18, Cannon Chapel, Emory University Campus
2:00 p.m. (CONCERT 3)
BAUER/KOWALD/SOMMER TRIO, featuring Konrad Bauer (trombone),
Peter Kowald (bass) and Gunter "Baby" Sommer (drums)
ANDREW CYRILLE-PETER BROTZMANN DUO
ROSCOE MITCHELL'S L-R-G Composition, featuring Roscoe
Mitchell (saxophones), George Lewis (trombone) and Leo
Smith(trumpet)
- ------------------------------------------------------
Lang Thompson
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4
New at the Funhouse website: Best Films of 1997,
Anthology of American Folk Music, Godzilla Bites!
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