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Zorn List Digest         Monday, July 13 1998         Volume 02 : Number 418



In this issue:
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       New NEW Cecil Taylor disc!
       Re:Songlines/Houle
       Ruins
       Re: Ruins
       Re: Tzadik cds
       Re: Re:  help Tony Levin...
       Re: Ruins
       Re: Ruins
       Braxton Compositions as Repertoire
       pieces
       Re: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire
       Re: ESP News, at last/T. Monk
       the ruins @ black cat 6/29/98 (fwd)
       Re: alt.coffee; Painkiller
       Re: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire
       Re[2]: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire
       A band needs help in central europe

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:56:38 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: New NEW Cecil Taylor disc!

Just wanted to mention to everyone that there's a new Cecil Taylor disc
just out that's actually a new recording.  Amazing that it should take
so long.

CECIL TAYLOR QUARTET: QU'A: LIVE AT THE IRRIDIUM, VOL. 1
Cadence Jazz CJR 1092

1. Qu'a        1:02:25

Cecil Taylor - piano
Harri Sj=F6str=F6m - soprano sax
Dominic Duval - bass
Jackson Krall - drums

Recorded live at the Irridium [sp - it's actually Iridium], New York,
NY, March 29, 1998 by the fairly ubiquitous NYC recording engineer John
[sp - it's Jon] Rosenberg.

I'm just listening to it for the first time right now so I can't really
say anything too deep and I'm obviously not listening too critically.
But it's a pretty nice live recording, not overly detailed but not
overly lacking, either, and definitely not that horrible dead sound that
marks CIMP releases.  The stereo spread positions everyone exactly where
they would have appeared on that stage, with Cecil at far left and Krall
at far right, with Duval and Sj=F6str=F6m in between.  Thanks to the audi=
o
verit=E9 nature of the sound, at the beginning you can clearly hear the
signature sound of a live event at the Iridium: the sound of dishes
clanking loudly.  Inescapeable.

It's interesting hearing a soprano saxophone twittering through Taylor's
maelstrom.  The rhythm section had really begun to gel with CT by the
time of the Iridium run, I've heard, and this recording certainly
presents a better argument for them than the initial impression I took
away when I first heard them as a trio at the Village Vanguard last
year.  It's also pretty cool when Dominic stomps on the fuzz pedal
around 31 minutes in... as if Thurston Moore suddenly showed up and
plugged in for just a minute.

Also, the live performance may have begun with one of CT's glossolalia
poems, as most do of late.  But the disc begins at the onset of the
music.  There are no liner notes, but a long poem in Cecil's handwriting
instead.

Like I said, can't really offer any pithy insights... I'll listen more
carefully later.  I was just so damned excited to hear about this disc
today that I had to come home and gush immediately.  NEW CECIL!!!

(Combine that with finding a French Flying Dutchman/BMG CD of Ornette
Coleman's "Friends and Neighbors" and I'd have to call it a really good
night at Tower Records.  And neither disc cost much, either... the
biggest surprise of all.)

Steve Smith
[e-mail]



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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:07:05 -0400
From: Dan Given <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:Songlines/Houle

>
>Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:01:16 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Tony Reif <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Granelli & Houle (Songlines new releases)
>
>Out now on Songlines, a couple of CDs that some of you might be interested
in:
>
>Francois Houle 5, In the Vernacular: The Music of John Carter (SGL 1522-2)
>Clarinettist/composer John Carter created a profound body of contemporary
>music expressing the African-American experience through its folk idioms.
>Long inspired by Carter's vision, clarinettist Houle has assembled a superb
>group of Vancouver and New York players to, in critic Art Lange's words,
>"resurrect the spirit of the original, freeing his own ensemble's unique
>capabilities....In improvisational music, form is feeling...." And the
>feelings here are tender, buoyant, and generous. First recording of
>Carter's "Three Dances in the Vernacular". Featuring Dave Douglas
>(trumpet), Peggy Lee (cello), Mark Dresser (bass), and Dylan van der Schyff
>(drums).
>
I haven't heard this yet, but I can't recommend Houle enough.  This one
looks great, both in the personell, and that it is John Carter's music.
Houle is, in my mind, one of the most important of the current crop of
clarinet players, and maybe the only one who should tackle Carter's music.
Houle has the ability to play work in every context from fairly straight
ahead jazz (as on Hacienda (on Songlines), which reminds me of Mingus), to
free improv, as on Nanacali (also on Songlines) and Live at Banleiues
Bleues (Red Toucan).  The former is a duet with piano/prepared piano, the
latter a trio with Georg Graewe and Joelle Leandre.  Houle is constantly
inventive, in all contexts, and consistently brilliant.
Get the new one, get the old ones (his trio, one with Marilyn Crispell...),
 get all of them!!


Dan
(Who's just trying to push Canadian music)
(BTW, Peggy Lee is one hell of a cellist)


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:12:13 PDT
From: "Dominique Leone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ruins

Also agree that new Ruins wears its progressive-rock influences on its
sleeve (jacket?), and I think they have yet another new bass player.
Ruins will never come to Texas, so I'd love to hear anyone's exciting
tale of a live show.




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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:44:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ruins

On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Dominique Leone wrote:

> Also agree that new Ruins wears its progressive-rock influences on its
> sleeve (jacket?),

Yoshida doesn't hide his love for Magma.

> and I think they have yet another new bass player.

as far as i know, the current
bass player is still Hisashi Sasaki.
he's a very young and energetic
player. quite good, but i confess
i miss Masuda.

the new "Symphonica" disc (Tzadik)
is a configuration similar to the
100 Sights of Koenji project with
the addition of synths, creating
an "orchestral" feeling, whereas
"Vrresto" (Magaibutsu) is more of
a proper Ruins recording, so to speak.

> Ruins will never come to Texas, so I'd love to hear anyone's exciting
> tale of a live show.

i'm almost certain they played in
Texas during the Mainliner/Ruins/Musica Transonic
tour in 1997.

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:30:57 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tzadik cds

In a message dated 98-07-01 16:10:48 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

>  I want to pick up some Tzadik cds and I wonder if any of you could
>  suggest me any kind of opinion on these outings, just to make a
>  decision.
>  Also I'd appreciate any other recommendation out of these short list, in
>  case you consider I'm missing any other fine cd (though I guess all
>  Tzadik is unusual and oddly beautiful stuff).
>
>  Gary Lucas- Busy being born

Not familiar with any but the Lucas, which is a tour de force (sp?).
Rollicking guitars and vocals and just the right amount of quirkiness and
judaica. If you find you like it, you should also check out his prior record
"Evangeline"

Peace, Robert

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:30:58 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re:  help Tony Levin...

In a message dated 98-07-09 19:32:18 EDT, Dan Kuehn <[e-mail]> writes:

>  All i can say is Too bad......
>
>  > I saw this message from Tony Levin (King Crimson) on his homepage.
>  > Maybe someone was at the KF and taped the show or knows someone who
>  > has?
>  ... to get to the point, my practical nature tells me
>  > that SOMEONE in the audience MUST have taped that performance. And I'd
>  > like to ask if, as a favor, anyone who has a tape of that first piece
>  > in the second set could mail us a copy of it, so we can learn the
>  > piece for our next album. "

Show was taped (DAT). Tony has a copy. Maybe this will help change the Fripps
thoughts on taping.....NOT. FWIW, according to Elephant Talk, Fripp seems to
be considering a Dix Pix archival release project, by subscription.

Robert

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:58:57 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ruins

Speaking of the Ruins, could anyone offer a review of the new Derek and Ruins
CD.
- -Eric

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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:55:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Andrew J. Lampert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ruins

On Sat, 11 Jul 1998 [e-mail] wrote:

> Speaking of the Ruins, could anyone offer a review of the new Derek and Ruins
> CD.
> -Eric
>
> -
>
>
Totally insane, more along the lines of their show together at the knit in
97 than Saisoro, or whatever their first collaboration is called.  Derek
plays extremely loud ar some points, while Yoshida finds the odd rhythms
to fill the gaps.  The vocals are kept to a minimum and the song
lengths are relatively short as well.  I highly reccomend it, although I'm
not sure how many times I'll actually out it in my  cd player.  It's one
of those albums where I listen to a few tracks and then put on something
else after awhile.  You have to be in the mood, it does not put you in it.


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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:03:05 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire

Picked up the hat[now]ART release of 'Anthony Braxton, Compositions 10 +
16 (+101)' yesterday, featuring arrangements of these pieces by Art
Lange, performed by a quintet consisting of Guillermo Gregorio (alto,
clarinet), Carrie Biolo (vibes, percussion), Michael Cameron (bass),
Gene Coleman (bass clarinet) and Jim O'Rourke (accordion, hurdy-gurdy
and electronics). It's quite a beautiful recording. I admit to girding
myself for an hour of the old plink and plonk, but these guys delve
deeply into the pieces, discovering a very wide range of possibilities;
the two versions of 'Composition 10' alone suggest that many more rich
interpretations are possible. Gregorio's interpolations of Comp 101 into
Comp 16 are fluid and striking--I'd heard so-so reviews of his Hatology
release, but now I'm curious. Kudos to Mr. Lange for initiating the
project and picking performers capable in and of themselves and
representing a particularly appealing sonic combination.

My general question: aside from the Debris/Scatter release, 'Jump or
Die' from a few years back, this is (I think) the first I've heard of
people in the jazz/new music community tackling a small portion of
Braxton's large body of work (apart from some hat ART performances of
his notated work, like the Hidegard Kleeb 4CD set; I haven't heard
this--anybody?). Roscoe Mitchell performed a "march" on one record and
it wouldn't surprise me if a band like Either/Orchestra has attempted
some Braxton on occasion, but you would think that, considering the
number of 'standards' abounding on every other disc, that Braxton covers
would be everywhere, both jazzier things (like Side One, Cuts One +
Three from 'New York, Fall, 1974') and items like the hat[now]ART date
above. Are there other obvious examples I'm blanking on?

For that matter, though covers of Coltrane and Ornette are common enough
(though I'm not sure if the world needs yet more versions of 'Naima' and
'Lonely Woman' ;^)), I can't think of very many examples of the same for
compositions of the AACM and post-AACM period. E/O recorded 'Odwalla'
(the 'Naima' of the AEC?) and perhaps others have done Hemphill's 'The
Hard Blues' but I'd have thought that, by now, such would be as common
as 'Body and Soul'. Perhaps there's the idea that these compositions are
too closely tied to their originators, but the example of the Braxton
release shows that there is, potentially, a huge lode to mine. Wouldn't
it be interesting to hear a younger ensemble re-investigate , for
example, 'Conquistador!'? Again, if I'm missing any blatant examples,
let me know.

Thanks,

Brian Olewnick

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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:28:42 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: pieces

just picked up I Need 5 Minutes Alone by Pieces. Pieces is buckethead on gtr,
basses, and cattle prod, brain on drums and turntables and herbie on vocalz.

i was intrigued by the vocal credit. i was expecting something like the vocals
on bucketheadland. but, to my surprise, "herbie" actually sings songs
accompanied by acoustic guitar. there is also plenty of electric shredding and
slapping to keep people happy (provided that's yr bag).

overall, i give the record two thumbs up. it was nice to hear buckethead do
something that i was not expecting. i was expecting something like praxis or
bucketheadland. if you did not like Colma, try this one before you buy it. i
listen to Colma rather frequently, which surprises me because i usually don't
opt for such mellowness.

Pieces - I Need 5 Minutes Alone
Avant 054

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Date: 13 Jul 1998 02:44:08 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Mike Chamberlain)
Subject: Re: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire

[e-mail],Internet writes:

> Perhaps there's the idea that these compositions are
>too closely tied to their originators, but the example of the Braxton
>release shows that there is, potentially, a huge lode to mine. Wouldn't
>it be interesting to hear a younger ensemble re-investigate , for
>example, 'Conquistador!'?

Rumor has it that Wynton has such a project in the works.  Sorry, I couldn't
resist.

- --Mike

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:36:01 +0200
From: "J.T. de Boer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ESP News, at last/T. Monk

> > In general I agree, but the same person on another list who told me
> > yesterday that Borstlap was a Monk contest winner remembered tonight that
> > he's also the Borstlap in the Bennink/Borstlap/Glerum Trio, so perhaps
> > there's hope for something worthy after all.
> >
> > Steve Smith
> > [e-mail]
>
 I've seen this trio last year but Borstlap was completely overruled
 by Han Benninks intense playing. It seemed Borstlap couldn't really
 get away with the music. I don't know if it's a trend or something,
 but these Dutch young talents like Borstlap seem to enjoy playing
 with the old garde. Yesterday I saw a concert from the North Sea
 Jazz  Festival of Yuri Honing (the regular sax player of Borstlap)
 with  Mischa Mengelberg and it was really quite good. Let's see what
 happens in the future.

 Jeroen de Boer


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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:48:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: the ruins @ black cat 6/29/98 (fwd)

someone asked about a live ruins review.  i actually posted this to
another list already.  i had never seen the ruins before, but friends of
mine who attended this show and also saw them in '94 said the energy level
had dropped slightly.  diminished, maybe, but still amazing.
they only played three songs that i recognized (one of which was "prog
rock medley") so i'm assuming that they were playing a lot of stuff off
_vrresto_.

brent

**********************************************************************
wow!  you've never seen anything like these 2 men before.  no, really,
they have the heart full of napalm, the final solution.  i remember the
first time i saw the minor threat live @ the 9:30 club video, i kept
thinking how could anyone drum faster than jeff nelson?  the ruins.
the bassist is perhaps the only guy in all of rock who uses so many
effects to achieve such an organic sound.  and sure it's *just* drums
and bass, but those instruments are mere catalysts for an aesthetic of
spasms, bursts of distorted sound in blocks.  show me any quartet,
quintet, sextet that can produce more sound...  an epiphany.

b

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:46:11 -0400
From: Uncle Meat <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: alt.coffee; Painkiller

Steve Smith wrote:

> Funniest moment of the set, though, was in the penultimate piece prior
> to the
> closer (there was an encore after that)... Mick and Bill started into
> a
> lurching dirge march that sounded a bit familiar, then Bill caught on
> to *why*
> it felt familiar and played the notes that made it explicit... it was
> Black
> Sabbath's "Iron Man," if only for one iteration.

   ... so this was not a spontaneous thing, because he did that same bit
on

july 8 at the Montreal Jazz Fest.


Uncle Meat


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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:18:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire

Yeah, but it's taking so long because Marcus Roberts can't find a Music
Minus One record to study for the piano solos.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]



On 13 Jul 1998, Mike Chamberlain wrote:

> [e-mail],Internet writes:
>
> > Perhaps there's the idea that these compositions are
> >too closely tied to their originators, but the example of the Braxton
> >release shows that there is, potentially, a huge lode to mine. Wouldn't
> >it be interesting to hear a younger ensemble re-investigate , for
> >example, 'Conquistador!'?
>
> Rumor has it that Wynton has such a project in the works.  Sorry, I couldn't
> resist.
>
> --Mike
>
> -
>
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 11:49:14 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re[2]: Braxton Compositions as Repertoire

     I wrote:

     Wouldn't it be interesting to hear a younger ensemble re-investigate ,
     for example, 'Conquistador!'?

Mike responded:

>Rumor has it that Wynton has such a project in the works.  Sorry, I
>couldn't  resist.

     Hah!

Ken then added:

>Yeah, but it's taking so long because Marcus Roberts can't find a Music
>Minus One record to study for the piano solos.

     Actually, the last time I saw Cecil, at the Vanguard last fall,
     Marsalis came in to hear the show! As I recall, according to someone
     else sitting nearby (Herb?), Wynton didn't seem to enjoy the
     proceedings. As little as I've cared for either of their work, if even
     the Marsalis/Roberts team decided to tackle some similar project, I'd
     have to respect that and suspend judgment...for at least a few
     seconds. But I think I'd rather hear, say, Uri Caine and Cuong Vu make
     the attempt!

     Brian Olewnick



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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:40:55 -0700
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: A band needs help in central europe

Sorry for disturbing everyone, as it concerns only a small minority of people on the list...
I am a vocalist of a band that plays some nice (well, it can help wou to wake up and go to work with a smile...;-) music. We are going to release an album (our first!) this automn. We are from Poland, and i thought that maybe people from this list could send me some info aabout ways of organizing a few shows in central europe (Germany, Austria, Hungary, Czech Republic, Maybe Holland, France...) Any help/info (adresses of clubs, any hints, etc.) would be great.
Sorry for disturbing all you in the US etc,
Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail]
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relish for life; if the unfortunate one, strong in mind, indignant at
his fate rather than desponding or dejected, wishes for death,and yet
 preserves his life without loving it- not from inclination or fear,
but from duty- then his maxim has a moral worth." :-)
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