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Zorn List Digest         Friday, July 10 1998         Volume 02 : Number 417



In this issue:
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       Re: ESP News, at last/T. Monk
       Re: alt.coffee; Painkiller
       Knitmedia Fray
       Re: alt.coffee; Painkiller
       Content-Type: text/plain
       Re: Beefheart
       William Orbit?
       Re: William Orbit?
       Re: William Orbit?
       painkiller & ikue mori
       Re: painkiller & ikue mori
       Knitmedia/The Nation
       Painkiller live in Montreal
       Granelli & Houle (Songlines new releases)
       Songlines
       Re: Painkiller live in Montreal/RUINS
       new Cecil Taylor/next set of Tzadiks

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:31:32 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ESP News, at last/T. Monk

Ken Waxman wrote:

> Regarding those Thelonious Monk contests judged by the mainstreamers.
> Judging from the list of winners, it seems that the only major pre-avant
> garde jazz musician who couldn't win one of those crap shoots would have
> been Mr. Monk Sr. himself.

In general I agree, but the same person on another list who told me
yesterday that Borstlap was a Monk contest winner remembered tonight that
he's also the Borstlap in the Bennink/Borstlap/Glerum Trio, so perhaps
there's hope for something worthy after all.

Steve Smith
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:48:30 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: alt.coffee; Painkiller

Matt Moran wrote:

> As for Painkiller, I've been told that Bill Laswell is bringing in a
> 24-track board (and sound person) to Tonic, along with _heavy_ duty rock
> and roll, I mean amplification.

And that he did.  The sound man was Oz Fritz.  The sound was loud, although in
my opinion not as loud as you might have anticipated given the number of signs
urging customers to buy earplugs.  (Brutal Truth is *loud*.)  The mixing board
was bigger than my living room, it seemed.

The room was crowded and hot, though reportedly not as bad as opening night.
Ikue's solo stuff was quite wonderful as always.  Pain Killer's first set was
raucous, loose and wonderful... lots of dubby stuff, lots of thrash, basically
exactly what you'd expect and nicely delivered.  Mick's set was smaller than I
remember it being in 1993, but his sound was still as huge.  Laswell was in
fine form on all kinds of slithering or whomping bass.  Zorn frequently
sounded very Ornettey, which added an element of unexpected humor for me.
Funniest moment of the set, though, was in the penultimate piece prior to the
closer (there was an encore after that)... Mick and Bill started into a
lurching dirge march that sounded a bit familiar, then Bill caught on to *why*
it felt familiar and played the notes that made it explicit... it was Black
Sabbath's "Iron Man," if only for one iteration.  Made everyone laugh, like
when a bebopper drops in an ironic quote during a solo.  Didn't stay for the
second set.  The house was actually emptied between sets for the first time in
my experience at Tonic, but with Zorn's explicit statement that anyone who
wanted to stay for the second set would be readmitted after those waiting
outside for the second set were allowed in first.

Has anybody seen a report (perhaps on the MMW list) of what the July 4th
Medeski Martin & Wood show was like, attendance-wise?

Steve Smith
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:28:33 -0800
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Knitmedia Fray

The July 20, 1998 issue of the US magazine The Nation has a lengthy & very
good article by Gene Santoro about the recent complaints musicians have had
with the Knitting Factory/Texaco Jazz Festival, etc.

Lots of depressing details about the economics of the music business, good
quotes from Horvitz, Zorn, & others (the quotes from Dorf all seem to be
from previously published sources).

Like most of the Nation's cultural reviews, this article is not available
on the magazine's Web site.


Herb Levy
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:02:53 +0200
From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: alt.coffee; Painkiller

According to my TV-guide, the Dutch Television (ned.3) should broadcast
part of the Painkiller set at the Northsea Jazz Festival on Sunday.
Not sure if this will actually happen.

YVes

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:14:28 CEST
From: "Ma Meeshka Mow" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Content-Type: text/plain

Hello,

On Thursday June 11, I saw the premiere of "Traffic Continues II: Gusto
(for Tom Cora)" by Fred Frith, performed by himself with the "help" of
the amazing Ensemble Modern, Zeena Parkins and Ikue Mori.

It was only one piece which was just 38 minutes long.
Usually I love the Ensemble Modern, but yesterday it seemed that
improvising is not their cup of tea! They are really perfect when they
play from the sheets, but yesterday I was mostly thinking they didn't
like it too much!

But it still was a very amazing premiere, esp. when Fred Frith was
improvising with Zeena and Ikue. You could hear that this trio has often
played together.
Everything fits perfectly.

The audience forced them to make an encore, which was just 30 seconds
long.
After that the audience turned mad until Frith has waved a white flag.

All in all: a very valuable concert :-)

Bye
Frank

PS: Everytime when I hear this concert (I taped it) I like it more and
more :-)


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:32:11 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Beefheart

As regards Disc One of the Beefheart set, mentioned by Jon Abbey and
others: Frank and Don did get into a dispute (detailed in, eg, The
Real Frank Zappa Book), but Frank still re-recorded the album.  FZ
says he conceived it as an anthropological field-study; ie he wanted
to record it at this house where the whole band lived for some eight
months (at least).  They didn't eat too well, and Jimmy Carl Black,
who visited, describes it as a bit like a religious cult: once a
week, one guy was allowed to go out and buy food (mostly beans, so it
wasn't like a Pythagorean religious cult!).  Frank claims that Don
impugned his motives; ie accused him of wanting to just do it on the
cheap, without having to pay for a studio.  Frank succumbed, and
thus, Trout Mask Replica, as we know and love it.  Does this mean the
now to be released version will become known as Trout Mask?  Ah,
rock'n'roll legends, don't we love them?

Sean Wilkie

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:34:50 -0400
From: "Andy Marks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: William Orbit?

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I was just checking out the FAQ when I noticed in
the question about Radio 2 the name William Orbit was mentioned.
I have just recently gotten a copy the new Madonna CD "Ray of Light".
Most of the songs were written/produced by William Orbit.
Is this the same guy? If so, who is he?
I'm not a big Madonna fan, but I really like this album.
I know, go easy on me guys :-)

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"Ray of Light".<br>Most of the songs were written/produced by =
William Orbit.<br>Is this the same guy? If so, who is he?<br>I'm not a =
big Madonna fan, but I really like this album.<br>I know, go easy on me =
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:59:41 +0200
From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: William Orbit?

William "Orbit" Wainwright is a British Ambient-House pioneer.
In the early nineties he made some recordings under the
name "Strange Cargo", fusing ethnic sounds with synths and
British rave/house-grooves.
He also recorded more dance-oriented material as "Bass-o-matic".
I think he's more into producing other artist nowadays
(Madonna, Peter Gabriel,Blur,Nigel Kennedy,...).
Don't know about his influence on Zorn.

YVes


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:44:45 +0200
From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: William Orbit?

Have Nigel Kennedy and Zorn ever played/recorded together Patrice?
I mean, Zorn does concert halls these days

Stephane


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From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Freitag, 10. Juli 1998 12:58
Subject: Re: William Orbit?


>
>William "Orbit" Wainwright is a British Ambient-House pioneer.
>In the early nineties he made some recordings under the
>name "Strange Cargo", fusing ethnic sounds with synths and
>British rave/house-grooves.
>He also recorded more dance-oriented material as "Bass-o-matic".
>I think he's more into producing other artist nowadays
>(Madonna, Peter Gabriel,Blur,Nigel Kennedy,...).
>Don't know about his influence on Zorn.
>
>YVes
>
>
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>
>


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:12:26 PDT
From: "Robert van Heumen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: painkiller & ikue mori

hi

yesterday i saw ikue mori and painkiller in tonic, and i think it was
really great! i knew painkiller from their cd's, so that was not much of
a surprise (all this energy!), but i did not know anything about mori,
and she really is amazing... i think people who are into japanese techno
(like ken iishi, or in general the sublime records people) would love
her...
does anybody know if there's going to be new painkiller stuff on cd in
the near future?

i just arrived in New York (two weeks ago, from the netherlands) to work
here for three years (and not *only* work, that's for sure), and i would
like to get to know some cd shops where i can get zorn-related cd's like
ikue mori's b-sides... suggestions?
i'm also looking for people to join me to go to concerts in tonic,
knitting factory etc. because it's much more fun to share getting your
mind blown off...

by the way, is anybody on this list interested in mike keneally (he
plays at the knit on july 22, also featuring david torn!)...

bye
robert



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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:19:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: painkiller & ikue mori

On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Robert van Heumen wrote:

> i just arrived in New York (two weeks ago, from the netherlands) to work
> here for three years (and not *only* work, that's for sure), and i would
> like to get to know some cd shops where i can get zorn-related cd's like
> ikue mori's b-sides... suggestions?

When I zoom through The City (I'm in DC, but get up there occasionally), I
make sure to hit Downtown Music Gallery (on E. 5th), Kim's (on St Mark's
Place), and Other Music (on E. 4th). I've gotten buying way too much music
in 2 hours down to a science :-)

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:55:15 -0800
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Knitmedia/The Nation

I've gotten a few questions from people living outside of the US about the
magazine that ran the Santoro article on the Knitting Factory controversies.

The Nation is a leftist political magazine that's been published for more
than a hundred years in the States. It doesn't do a lot of music articles,
about once a month or so, & most of those aren't relevant to the Zorn list.

Here's the magazine's URL, but as I wrote before the article about the Knit
is NOT online: <http://www.TheNation.com/>

Bests,

Herb


Herb Levy
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:18:38 PDT
From: "Bruno Bissonnette" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Painkiller live in Montreal

Got to see Painkiller wednesday in Montreal -- pretty good concert,
except Laswell was overplaying (this from a guy who still listens to
Yngwie Malmtseen once in a while!), and his bass sound was too loud, and
covered too much of the sonic spectrum.  I thought Zorn would cut
through a bit better.  Also Mick Harris was on full-throttle mode all
night, not showing any of the subtlety found on pieces off "Execution
Ground".  Young local DJ A-Track (sp?) was an interesting guest,
providing decent scratching and sampling, but as soon as everybody was
pounding on a heavy groove you could barely hear him.  It was also
pretty weird that the encore finale was just him and Mick Harris.  Good
performance, but this is a PAINKILLER show...  Small complaints aside,
it was worth it.

On another note, does anybody have any reviews of the new Ruins discs,
Symphonica, or the two new Fushitsusha discs?

Bruno Bissonnette

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:01:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Reif <[e-mail]>
Subject: Granelli & Houle (Songlines new releases)

Out now on Songlines, a couple of CDs that some of you might be interested i=
n:

Jerry Granelli and Badlands, Enter, a Dragon (SGL 1521-2)
Drummer Granelli's New York dream band, chock full of the young lions of
the downtown scene, plays original compositions that draw on the whole
history of jazz, from New Orleans heterophony to Ellington and Mingus, from
free to funk, and beyond jazz to lounge-core and eastern Europe, the
middle-east, India, Tibet. Within the ebb and flow of written ensembles,
solos, and collective improvisation are duets between Jerry and each of his
bandmates. A record full of wit, subtlety, and character; with Chris Speed
(tenor sax, clarinet), Peter Epstein (soprano and alto sax), Briggan Krauss
(alto sax), Curtis Hasselbring (trombone), Jamie Saft (piano, clavinet,
accordion, slide guitar), and J. Anthony Granelli (electric bass, acoustic
bass guitar). 20-bit recording. "Badlands: the name comes from the place; a
raw and exquisite landscape, unpredictable, landscapes of sound and song.
The music is based on this feeling of space and spontaneity ....From the
very first concert there seemed to be a strange and lovely chemistry."
(Jerry Granelli)


=46ran=E7ois Houle 5, In the Vernacular: The Music of John Carter (SGL 1522-=
2)
Clarinettist/composer John Carter created a profound body of contemporary
music expressing the African-American experience through its folk idioms.
Long inspired by Carter's vision, clarinettist Houle has assembled a superb
group of Vancouver and New York players to, in critic Art Lange's words,
"resurrect the spirit of the original, freeing his own ensemble's unique
capabilities....In improvisational music, form is feeling...." And the
feelings here are tender, buoyant, and generous. First recording of
Carter's "Three Dances in the Vernacular". Featuring Dave Douglas
(trumpet), Peggy Lee (cello), Mark Dresser (bass), and Dylan van der Schyff
(drums).

"A very very good record, and a shoo-in for my 1998 top 10 list....Luminous
contributions from Douglas, Lee, van der Schyff, and Dresser....Douglas's
command of expressive nuance is unrivalled. But he doesn't steal any scenes
here: as soloists, Lee and Houle are just as strong and subtle, while van
der Schyff and Dresser work together to bring a keen physicality to what
might otherwise be closer to chamber music than jazz."
Alexander Varty, The Georgia Straight

"The five musicians work magically well together....This CD has all the
elements one wants in contemporary improvised music. The quality of
musicianship is extraordinarily high, and the musical content ranges from
swinging and burning to slow and tristful. The harmonization of instruments
and melodic statements tell emotional stories that leave the listener's
imagination free to roam....Houle has once again turned out a
masterwork...an essential release of the year."
Laurence Svichev, 5/4 Magazine


Tony Reif (Songlines Recordings)



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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:21:49 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Songlines

Tony (and all),

I want to tell you that I ordered the Badlands disc a few days ago!

Also, I have to say that you've got a great thing going.  I'll admit I
don't know exactly how long ago you started the label but I am really
enjoying it.  You have an excellent collection of musicians there.  Chris
Speed's "Yeah No" is one of the favorites in my collection.

Just some unsolicited praise...

Dan



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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:28:06 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Painkiller live in Montreal/RUINS

On another note, does anybody have any reviews of the new Ruins discs,
Symphonica, or the two new Fushitsusha discs?

I purchased Symphonica a couple of weeks ago and I've enjoyed it alot. I also
had the pleasure of seeing the Ruins live here in D.C. a few days after I got
Symphonica.The addition of the keyboard player on Symphonica(whose name
escapes me, I don't have the CD with me here at work) really brings out the
progressive rock influence.The super fast keyboard playing reminds me a bit of
T. Lavitz from the Dixie Dreggs,or Patrick Moraz. The extra vocalists add alot
of color as well. I especially like EmiEleonola's(sp?) contibutions. In her
excellent avant-pop band Demi Semi Quaver she singsin her own made up
language, so I guess her and Yoshida share this in common. The songs on
symphonica are longer than the usual Ruins fare, again creating a more
progressive rock feel. I also recently purchased the live Ruins CD Refossil
Fuel (I think thats the title). This CD has some guests on various cuts,
including Emi. There is some great screaming sax playing on a few cuts as
well. The cuts are short and intense, what you would normally expect from the
Ruins.
 Live they rocked hard!!! They packed a tremendous amout of music into a
relativley
small amount of time. Very intense.
                Eric


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:29:04 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: new Cecil Taylor/next set of Tzadiks

well, what I believe is the first document of Mr. Taylor on disc since 1993
(recording date, not release date) is now available.

Qu'a: Live at The Iridium, Volume 1 (Cadence Jazz Records). from March of
1998, the personnel are Harri Sjostrom, Dominic Duval, and Jackson Krall. Just
thought people would like to know. I'm listening to it now for the first time
so I can't offer much in the way of an opinion.

anyone know what the next set of Tzadik releases are and when? the web site's
new releases haven't been updated for a while.

Jon


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